Hint: Ignore this and you are going to force new pressures on the world's various governments to provide some sort of rational response and one sure rational response will be for those governments to band together to provide all out and uniform respond to the seas encroachment on habitable land. In other words, if you insist on not doing anything about global warming, you are more than encouraging the inevitable development of a powerful "World Government", that perhaps wouldn't base its functions on the will of the people or on some acceptable Bill of Rights.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Have you ever heard of someone named Maurice Strong bdgee?
Posted by bdgee on :
yes
Posted by Relentless. on :
quote: Hint: Ignore this and you are going to force new pressures on the world's various governments to provide some sort of rational response and one sure rational response will be for those governments to band together to provide all out and uniform respond to the seas encroachment on habitable land. In other words, if you insist on not doing anything about global warming, you are more than encouraging the inevitable development of a powerful "World Government", that perhaps wouldn't base its functions on the will of the people or on some acceptable Bill of Rights.
A noble call, but odds are all of this is nothing more than fear inducing hype aimed at the very goal you speak of. Bdgee there is nothing we can do about it.. Even if turning off all the lights in the world and never driving a car again would instantly change forever the climatic cycle we're being told to fear... We couldn't.
Posted by glassman on :
you're right, we've already altered the climate permanently. i don't see how that justifies pretending we didn't and ignoring the problem indefinitley.
Posted by Relentless. on :
It was us? The graphs I've seen have the global temp trending up long before we were burning anything.
Posted by glassman on :
have you any idea why the large mammals of North America disappeared shortly after the Siberian-Alaskan migration?
it's a rhetorical question, i know nobody knows...
there are some who beleive that neolithic people hunted with fire... it would have been "expedient"
it's just the way of things. the real question is can we actually become self-aware or not.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
Ridiculous Drivel! First of all, even the wacko leftists say that global warming is taking a 10 to 15 year break. So, if it's taking a break, sea levels are not rising. Furthermore, I haven't heard anything about sea levels washing away ocean front property. Has Myrtle Beach disappeared? Is Florida underwater? Give me a break, it's just b.s. propaganda intended to further the leftist nonsense.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: Ridiculous Drivel! First of all, even the wacko leftists say that global warming is taking a 10 to 15 year break. So, if it's taking a break, sea levels are not rising. Furthermore, I haven't heard anything about sea levels washing away ocean front property. Has Myrtle Beach disappeared? Is Florida underwater? Give me a break, it's just b.s. propaganda intended to further the leftist nonsense.
there is quite a bit of evidence to back up the "hunting with fire" theories... it is suspected that very large fires were lit and of course they burnt themselves out eventually....
you are clueless, i know, but researchers have done more than guess...
the fact that we are in a 10 - 15 year (normal) down cycle does not mean CO2 levels are going down... there is no doubt that CO2 is a significant, (but not the most powerful) greenhouse gas. the temps are not dropping, they are just not going up as fast... they are still going up tho.
none of those facts are in question...
there is no doubt that we add to the CO2 every minute of evey day. there is no doubt that we need to come up with a long-term plan to control CO2 and execute that plan.
if "conservative" means fear of the future and fear of change? if conservaitve means you cannot adapt your lifestyle to the demands of the environment, then you can have conservatism and forget about any type of GOP recovery that involves conservatism go find another party to ruin.
i live in a place where most people consider themselves conservative and still hunt and fish all the time. these guys down here know that putting out the right ground cover makes their bucks big, and the antlers huge... they do that, they can figure out how to live with less CO2 emmissions too.. and still be happy. Conservative should mean being a conservitor, not ignoring established scientific fact because it's "expensive" or represents a threat to the "status quo"... there is no status quo... change is the only constant.
Posted by glassman on :
it seems to me that conservative has recently come to mean stupid. what a shame it has come to this.
“As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing”
Karl Rove
i guess this is the result of having an idiot for leader and a devious reptile for his chief advisor?
What mental state allows someone to condemn the very tactics which everyone knowsthey pioneered and spent years exploiting?
does conservatism mean that you'll wait till you've lost power to represent moral policies
Posted by glassman on :
it's not just climatologists observing ice changes either:
this is last season.
Regionally, the biomass of mature male red king crab has been declining since 2001 and is currently at its second lowest level in fifteen years. The department’s stock assessment survey detected no significant recruitment to the mature male segment of the population or to the population as a whole. All of the nine survey areas exhibited poor stock health in this year’s stock assessment survey. Stock status will be reevaluated during the department’s 2009 stock assessment survey. Blue king crabs are an insignificant bycatch of the red king crab fishery, and therefore are closed at the same time as red king
Northern golden crab closes in couple of days... they got in an expected 145,000 pounds...
Posted by bdgee on :
Yes, as education increases, adherence to claimed conservative principles declines. Personally, I do not think it is because the smarter people become the less they approve of actual conservatism. I personally think that once a person accepts the benefits of science and the scientific method and other intellectual realities, it becomes insulting to be fed the lies and crap as a justification for following what is being claimed is conservative. In other words, I think it is not a rejection of conservative principles, but a rejection of being sold rotten fish painted over and claimed to be conservativeness.....the smell of the rot is there even if the rotten fish is desguised to look ok.
Posted by Relentless. on :
I don't think anyone... with a brain... thinks there is no such thing as temperature changes here on earth... I just don't buy that we had any impact upon it.
Posted by Relentless. on :
Been hotter.. been cooler... We'll be fine
Posted by Relentless. on :
Global Ice Mass... over the last 6 million years.. and then 1 million years
As you can see the trend is upward... calm down...
Posted by glassman on :
i am calm. i'm also quite reasonable. ever had a fish tank of your own to take care of?
Posted by glassman on :
have you ever just watched kids?
kids do things for no reason. sometimes? i'll ask them, "Why ya doin' that?" answer: "i dunno"
at age 9 or ten you have start telling them that if they don't know why they are doing something? they probably shouldn't do it. some people never learn that.
do i beleive the world is ending? no. do i beleive that a vast majority of the resources we use every day are absolutely wasted? hell yes. is waste a sin?
Posted by Relentless. on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: i am calm. i'm also quite reasonable. ever had a fish tank of your own to take care of?
Yes I have.. And everytime I tried to get proactive the tank suffered.. So everyone needs to calm down.. world.. ok
Posted by glassman on :
"proactive"? i never did that to a fish tank..
i was going to build a greenhouse this spring but we decided to wait a year...
we're doing a really small ornamental pond instead... so i started reading up on KOI? some of those fish cost 2500$ they are carp for crying out loud.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:there is no status quo... change is the only constant.
You got that right. The only constant is change. We just came out of the last mini-ice age in the mid 1800's and the temperature is of course warmer. I'm almost positive that the warming at the end of the little ice age wasn't due to people driving their cars! LOL!!!
The climate is ALWAYS changing. What temperature do you lefties think is the right temperature for the earth? Since you seem to think the wacko environmentalists should be in charge of the climate, what temperature are they shooting for? Obviously, if sea level is rising and we're soon to be underwater, we need it to be colder! How much colder? C'mon - share your grand plan with us.
Posted by jordanreed on :
lol
Posted by glassman on :
What temperature do you lefties think is the right temperature for the earth
yawn... is there an echo in here?
PM, the correct question is how much CO2 can we have in the atmosphere and survive...
if you are planning on God saving our butts? don't. God helps those who help....
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:PM, the correct question is how much CO2 can we have in the atmosphere and survive...
Survive? Are we on the verge of extinction (from the climate, not Obama's assinine socialist policies)? You lefties say sea levels are rising, but Myrtle Beach, Florida, and even coastal California seem to still be there. You lefties say that temperatures are rising, but they haven't been rising recently. You say that humans are to blame for this crises (that apparently doesn't even exist) and yet you can't tell me what worldwide temperature you're shooting for.
I don't think you have a clue!
Posted by jordanreed on :
lol
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:PM, the correct question is how much CO2 can we have in the atmosphere and survive...
Survive? Are we on the verge of extinction (from the climate, not Obama's assinine socialist policies)?
I don't think you have a clue!
you have the mental attitude of a child.
"i think i'll wait til next Tuesday to do my report cuz it's not due til Wednesday"...
Posted by jordanreed on :
" Only after the last tree has been cut down..
Only after the last river has been poisoned..
Only after the last fish has been caught...
Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten."
Posted by bdgee on :
No, Jordan, even then he won't find out crap. Instead, he'll be blaming his hunger on socialism, wacko leftist, and birth control.
Posted by Lockman on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: What temperature do you lefties think is the right temperature for the earth
yawn... is there an echo in here?
PM, the correct question is how much CO2 can we have in the atmosphere and survive...
if you are planning on God saving our butts? don't. God helps those who help....
What is the temperature were shooting for?
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:Only after the last tree has been cut down..
Only after the last river has been poisoned..
Only after the last fish has been caught...
Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten
Don't worry Jordan, we're no where near cutting down the last tree. There are more trees now than at the turn of the 20th century! There are 12 million more acres of forest in the United States just since 1987!!! Here's a link or you can find your own:
Rivers and lakes in the United States have been cleaned up and are better now than in the past.
There are plenty of fish to catch.
Money already can't be eaten, but without money it's hard to buy groceries (unless you're a deadbeat that gets food stamps or goes to the food bank for food. I just cleaned out the refrigerator and cabinets from a deadbeat a couple of days ago, that apparently had so much food that she left it all when she left!!! Of course, since YOU paid for it, she didn't care - she can always get more!
Posted by T e x on :
...and that's just for Ohio
Posted by glassman on :
we're no where near cutting down the last tree. There are more trees now than at the turn of the 20th century! There are 12 million more acres of forest in the United States just since 1987!!! Here's a link or you can find your own:
yeah and that's because people like Rachael Carson stood up and spoke loudly about how screwed up what we were doing was.
there were plenty of asses like you back then saying she was FOS too.
you don't get it, that's obvious. you are afraid of economic progress, that's quite clear.
you beleive you are for free markets when in fact you support the opposite. you support corporate governance.
Posted by bdgee on :
Yes, corporate governance is what the lame brained like PM are actually advocating and they do so thinking how it will pump up their egotistical desire for power, not governmental stability, all the while ignoring the fact that corporate governance is just a sanitized way of saying fascism.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:you beleive you are for free markets when in fact you support the opposite. you support corporate governance
Ridiculous! You guys have absolutely no understanding of how business works - as you've shown time after time. I am a small businessman and I certainly don't favor corporate governance. I favor opportunity for all and I favor the government getting out of the way.
If you go back and really watch that Rush speech, you might learn something. In fact, if you watch only the first 10 minutes of the speech, you would understand what conservatives (including me) believe.
Posted by bdgee on :
"You guys have absolutely no understanding of how business works"
I dare say that with more than one profitable and successful swim into the wild seas of company ownership, not to mention a considerable experience in administration of pretty large commercial private business for profit (some of which included real estate property management), I stand a hell of a lot closer to understanding how business works than you do ecology, or science, or economics or whatever , PM. What's more, I can assure you that I am not the only person posting here that can make similar statements.
Your ignorance is exceeded by your foolish and ignorance arrogance.
Oh, Yeah......I already knew what conservatives, including you believe.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:you beleive you are for free markets when in fact you support the opposite. you support corporate governance
Ridiculous! You guys have absolutely no understanding of how business works - as you've shown time after time. I am a small businessman and I certainly don't favor corporate governance. I favor opportunity for all and I favor the government getting out of the way.
If you go back and really watch that Rush speech, you might learn something. In fact, if you watch only the first 10 minutes of the speech, you would understand what conservatives (including me) believe.
LOL.. go back to the real estate boards if they'll have you.
you've proven you don't belong here...
Posted by raybond on :
I don't even listen to the conservative rot and garbage they are people of complete ignornace that rejects sicience.
I know why they do, but I will never choose corporate profits over human well being.
As Obama's policies work jobs will be created, peole that can,t afford heat in the winter will get help and life will be a little better for thoes in need. Medical attention,better food,and education will start to reach those in need.
I am so proud of what he has done in 45 days I hope it keeps right on going along.
And if you conservatives don't like it you had a chance for eight years and what you did was fail and all you offer is the same old crap and whinning,remeber you lost what you did was bad for the country.
Posted by bdgee on :
"I don't even listen to the conservative rot and garbage"
Hey, I do. I've never been much for stopping to see the aftermath of wrecks and such, but I might if given forecast of them so I could be there and watch them happen live. Any way, they are so chock full of idiotic illogicl BS it is like watching to see what tomorrow's program will be from Stephen Colbert.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:And if you conservatives don't like it you had a chance for eight years and what you did was fail and all you offer is the same old crap and whinning,remeber you lost what you did was bad for the country.
The REPUBLICANS have been in charge for the past 8 years and yes - they failed in a huge way! At some point, after the collapse, the conservatives will appear and steer the country toward a better future. Unfortunately, that will be a lot lower than where we are today.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: The REPUBLICANS have been in charge for the past 8 years and yes - they failed in a huge way! At some point, after the collapse, the conservatives will appear and steer the country toward a better future. Unfortunately, that will be a lot lower than where we are today.
right, everybody is fake but you and rush limbigger...
better take some of those blue pills rush likes so much
Posted by raybond on :
fail again you whinning wimp conservatives,show the nation what you really are hope the country fails you are all so greedy and selfish you can't stand to see anybody get a small amount of help in a recession.
This time the country will see what you really are.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:This time the country will see what you really are.
I hope so, but they won't realize that this is the only way out until after there has been a collapse!
Posted by Relentless. on :
"Your side is to blame!!!" "No YOUR side is at fault!!!" "Well your guy is a moron!" "No your guy is a CAAARRREEEEEMINALLL!!!" "You're a MORON!!!" "No you're the moron!"
Bla bla bla Almost as if it were scripted.
Posted by Relentless. on :
The Architect: As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly ninety-nine percent of the test subjects accepted the program provided they were given a choice - even if they were only aware of it at a near-unconscious level. While this solution worked, it was fundamentally flawed, creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that, if left unchecked, might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those who refused the program, while a minority, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.
Posted by bdgee on :
That's nice, rel....
Now drink your milk and go to bed.
Posted by Relentless. on :
Hey gramps... Done hugging the toilet for the day... or about to start?
Posted by Relentless. on :
I already know the answer:
Yes
Posted by Highwaychild on :
A nation divided against itself cannot stand... and something about too many crooks, I mean, cooks in the kitchen spoils the whole damn stew rings a bell.
There are way to many labels out there. Information overload! Greed!!!! GREED, has this great nation by the balls(p.c...mamories)! Until you get rid of all the Liberal Democrats and the Conservative Republicans, and start getting some Conservative Democrats and some Liberal Republicans we will fall.
Another one that rings a bell... OH, how the mighty have fallen...
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: Plenty of fish "to catch"...
Been a problem for a long time Tex. I lived in Niagara Falls for a tad under a decade and can remember reeling fish out of the river with some SERIOUS deformations.
Posted by Relentless. on :
Down here along the coast there is even a limit on gulf caught fish. When I was in south Florida I can remember oyster limits as well.. The water is polluted and has been for a long time...
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: Plenty of fish "to catch"...
Wow, I went and looked at that. There are some rivers they say do not eat any fish at all. Due to PCBs
Check this out:
New York State Between approximately 1947 and 1977 General Electric Company (GE) released up to 1,300,000 pounds (590,000 kg) of PCBs into the Hudson River[14]. The PCBs came from the company's two capacitor manufacturing plants at Hudson Falls and Fort Edward in New York State.[14]
Indiana:
From the late 1950s through 1977, Westinghouse Electric used PCBs in the manufacture of capacitors in its Bloomington, Indiana plant. Reject capacitors were hauled and dumped in area salvage yards and landfills. Workers also dumped PCB oil down factory drains which contaminated the city sewage treatment plant.[citation needed] The City of Bloomington gave away the sludge to area farmers and gardeners, creating anywhere from 200 to 2000 sites which remain unaddressed. Over 2 million pounds of PCBs were estimated to have been dumped in Monroe and Owen Counties, which would make it the biggest concentration of PCBs in the world.[citation needed] Although federal and state authorities have been working on the site remediations, many areas remain contaminated. Concerns have been raised regarding the removal of PCBs from the karst limestone topography, and regarding the possible disposal options. To date, the Westinghouse Bloomington PCB Superfund site case does not have a RI/FS (Remedial Investigation/Feasibility Study) and ROD (Record of Decision), although Westinghouse signed a US Department of Justice Consent Decree in 1985.[citation needed] On February 15, 2008, Monroe County approved a plan to clean up the 3 remaining contaminated sites in the City of Bloomington, at a cost of $9.6m to CBS Corp., the successor of Westinghouse. [17]
The Great Lakes Much of the Great Lakes area is still heavily polluted with PCBs, despite extensive remediation work.[18] Locally caught fresh water fish and shellfish are contaminated with PCBs and their consumption is restricted.
From 1959 to 1971, Waukegan Harbor in Illinois on Lake Michigan was contaminated with PCB's discharged by the Outboard Marine Corp.
Posted by T e x on :
yes, bad.
There's a public perception that it's all better now, simply because rivers aren't burning...
And, of course, there's that "marketing copy" that precedes the table, but the table tells the tale.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:There's a public perception that it's all better now, simply because rivers aren't burning...
It IS better now. The question is how good is good enough? Yes, there are certainly some bodies of water that still need work, but there are many more that are healthier than they've been in decades.
Posted by jordanreed on :
yes it is somewhat better than horrible...
but even tho that boil on yur butt is better than it was last year ,?,,its still festering and stinks!!
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:There's a public perception that it's all better now, simply because rivers aren't burning...
It IS better now. The question is how good is good enough? Yes, there are certainly some bodies of water that still need work, but there are many more that are healthier than they've been in decades.
And though it is better now, had we listened to you and the political fossils you want to dictate to us, we would have not done anything about it at all and it would be worse.
Now, you advocate returning to a policy of doing nothing, so that our environment will return to the state it was a few years back and you do that to allow huge corporations to continue to strip mining the Federal Treasury at will of the taxes we the people have deposited there.
You just can't keep from lying, can you, you simple minded excuse for a human being.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
How good is good enough? Bdgee? Jordan?
Posted by bdgee on :
Don't be silly. We can't do the impossible.
If you were capable of understanding it, you wouldn't be so stupid in the first place. You might as well expect a turtle to understand live birth or a horse the design of a steam engine. Face it, PM, your genes make you not only a despicable excuse for a human being, they also place you in the way far lesser regions of the IQ spectrum and there certainly is no hope for you to achieve catastrophic evolutionary improvement.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
Face it Bdgee, you have no clue. You can't say how clean the environment must be, because it will NEVER be clean enough for you environmentalist wackos!
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: How good is good enough? Bdgee? Jordan?
PM, you remind of of those blowup toys with sand in the bottom we got when we were kids...
i think they were 25 cents with a fill-up of gas..
they don't know when they've been pummeled because they don't know ANYTHING.
Workin' in the fields till you get your back burned Workin' 'neath the wheels till you get your facts learned Baby I got my facts learned real good right now You better get it straight darling Poor man wanna be rich, rich man wanna be king And a king ain't satisfied till he rules everything
The Conference is definitely international in scope. Opening the conference is Vaclav Klaus, president of the Czech Republic and the European Union. When it comes to manmade global warming, Klaus calls that a myth. He is also an outspoken critic of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and says the panel is one-sided and has a political agenda.
Featured at the conference will be more than 70 scientists who do not subscribe to the notion that so-called global warming is driven by manmade emissions of carbon dioxide, one of those being Harrison "Jack" Schmitt -- one of the last astronauts to walk on the moon.
Read 'Bucking the media trend on global warming "crisis"'
The Conference is being hosted by The Heartland Institute. Dan Miller is the director of public relations at Heartland.
"What we are trying to accomplish with this conference is to present to the politicians and to the public that the debate is not over about global warming or climate change; that there is plenty of room for disagreement; and that sound science shows that the earth is not warming," says Miller.
"For much of the latter part of the 20th century there's been a mild warming as we come out of an ice age -- but the planet today is much cooler than it was a thousand years ago."
Besides the 70+ scientists at this conference, more than 650 scientists worldwide have expressed skepticism over manmade climate change.
Posted by bdgee on :
"The Heartland Institute is an American libertarian/conservative free market-oriented public policy think tank based in Chicago, Illinois."
And as such, anything coming out of it cannot be considered as reliable, particularly when it publishes its ultra right-wing interpretation of scientific facts.
Yes, "Besides the 70+ scientists at this conference, more than 650 scientists worldwide have expressed skepticism over man made climate change"; however, hundreds of thousands of scientist world wide have stated that concerns about the eminent danger of global warming and it's influence by human activity are without credible scientific dispute.
Posted by moremula on :
I'm surprised the politicans dont try to tax us more claiming they are buildind a thermostat to put on the sun
quote:I'm surprised the politicans dont try to tax us more claiming they are buildind a thermostat to put on the sun
They would, except the wackos can't decide what temperature to set. The can't even decide what temperature the earth should be, let alone the sun. Bdgee is probably plugging numbers in his calculator right now trying to figure it out! LOL! Where's Al (I invented the internet) Gore when you need him.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Records are made to be broken...
Tomorrow we will probably break a record high of 82 set in 1990.
Anybody want to bet we can break it?
Posted by bdgee on :
"Bdgee is probably plugging numbers in his calculator right now trying to figure it out! LOL! Where's Al (I invented the internet) Gore when you need him."
Sorry, Dufus-in-Chief. I don't do book keeping or arithmetic.
And by the way, as it is clear that Al Gore speaks in language way too complicated for the likes of you (he often uses compound sentences), he never claimed to have invented the internet, he claimed authorship of the term "information super highway" and dumbazzes like you haven't the sophistication with the language to know the difference. It's like being confused when a president says he is the leader of his political party and you dumbazzes thinking he declared himself THE king of America.
Go find a kindergarten and play in their sandbox with intellects of your own caliber (if there are any retards there).
Posted by Highwaychild on :
quote:Originally posted by Highwaychild: Records are made to be broken...
Tomorrow we will probably break a record high of 82 set in 1990.
Anybody want to bet we can break it?
YES WE CAN!
Posted by glassman on :
82 here tomorrow... i had to fix my AC today...
fortunately Canadian air will be back in the deep south by the weekend
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Now we're getting 2-3 inches of SNOW... Mother Nature is crazy. That's the kind of chit that gives you pneumonia right there.
COPENHAGEN - Hundreds of leading climate scientists wrapped up a three-day conference with a warning Thursday that global warming is accelerating beyond the worst predictions and threatening to trigger "irreversible" shifts on the planet.
Attended by some 2,000 experts, the conference aimed at updating the findings of a 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change ahead of U.N. talks in December on a new global climate treaty.
"The worst-case IPCC scenario trajectories (or even worse) are being realized," a team of scientists wrote in a concluding statement. "There is a significant risk that many of the trends will accelerate, leading to an increasing risk of abrupt or irreversible climatic shifts."
The IPCC predicted a sea level rise of 7 to 23 inches by the end of the century, which could flood low-lying areas and force millions to flee. But more recent research presented at the conference suggested that melting glaciers and ice sheets could help push the sea level up at least 20 inches, and possibly as much as 39 inches.
'Highly vulnerable' "Recent observations show that societies are highly vulnerable to even modest levels of climate change with poor nations and communities particularly at risk," the statement said.
It noted that policy-makers already have a range of tools to mitigate global warming. "But they must be vigorously and widely implemented to achieve the societal transformation required to de-carbonize economies," it said.
The conclusions of the congress will be presented to politicians when they meet in Copenhagen in December to discuss a new global agreement on greenhouse gas emissions to replace the Kyoto Protocol, which expires in 2012.
"We know from scientific evidence that climate change is a reality and that climate change will have damaging effects on the economy all over the world," said Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen, one of the politicians attending the scientific conference. "Therefore we need an agreement and we need an agreement this year."
Recession an opportunity? Earlier Thursday, British economist Nicholas Stern, the author of a major British government report detailing the cost of climate change, told the conference that the global recession presents an opportunity to build a more energy-efficient economy.
"Coming out of this we have got to lay the foundations for a low-carbon growth, which is going to be like the railways, like the electricity, like the motorcars, this is going to be over the next two, three decades the big driver in investment," Stern said.
Stern said green investments make sense because energy-efficient economies will be more sustainable in the future.
"We know from this crisis that if we postpone looking risk in the face, it will bite us much more deeply," he said. (AP)
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:The IPCC predicted a sea level rise of 7 to 23 inches by the end of the century, which could flood low-lying areas and force millions to flee. But more recent research presented at the conference suggested that melting glaciers and ice sheets could help push the sea level up at least 20 inches, and possibly as much as 39 inches.
Isn't that convenient. They make a prediction of something that could happen in the next 81 years. Who that is alive today will be around to call them a liar? RIDICULOUS!
They didn't see the current cooling trend in advance and they don't have a clue what will happen tomorrow. I still haven't heard what average world temperature they're shooting for. What is the proper sea level? The present level? 7 inches higher? 12 inches higher? At least tell us the goal?
Posted by glassman on :
Who that is alive today will be around to call them a liar? RIDICULOUS!
some of us here have reproduced. we actually care about or progeny unlike you.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
I care that my children and grandchildren grow up in a free, capitalist society where there is no limit to what they can achieve. I also want them to grow up with a little common sense - at least enough to be able to see a big obvious scam when it appears (global warming)!
Posted by bdgee on :
"I also want them to grow up with a little common sense"
Fat chance if that with the genes they have to work with.
Posted by glassman on :
rush told him it was a scam so he's convinced... rush is the scam. divorced three time and calls himself conservative what a joke.
Posted by NaturalResources on :
Common sense? How about "better safe than sorry"? Seems pretty common sense to me....
No habitable planet that we know of for light-years in any direction, and PM thinks we should disregard the possibility of Global Warming.
Can I vote PM off the "island"?
BTW PM, environmentalists don't expect the world to be perfect and pristine... They just expect people to leave it at least as good as they found it. You go on and on about how horrible it is that the HUD tenants you have live in a pigsty, why wouldn't you feel the same about the planet you live on?
Posted by bdgee on :
"Can I vote PM off the "island"?"
In at least one way I don't wanna see the jerk gone. He keeps providing such perfect proof that there really are nasty stupid bigots in the world that our kids need to be warned about and prepared to deal with.
Posted by NaturalResources on :
LOL... What's the old saying?
"One is never completely useless, one can always serve as a bad example"
Posted by bdgee on :
Yep, and he does it so well.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: rush told him it was a scam so he's convinced... rush is the scam. divorced three time and calls himself conservative what a joke.
I think you oughta lay off the divorced line-of-reasoning.
I been divorced twice, yet I conserve water, energy use, friends, etc & don't smoke much pot...never waste food and hardly make any trouble at all for the local constabulary. In fact, I help them, when they're obviously in over their heads.
your conservative pal, tex
Posted by bdgee on :
I gotta agree with that, Tex.
All too often it isn't a matter of "wanting" to save a marriage or even an option that is allowed a person. There are considerations like saving the kids and protecting one's self and just plain sanity. And there are instances where a person had no position or part in it at all, just one day found a notice via certified mail.
I had a friend who one day woke up and his wife was no where about. A few days later he got a letter telling him she had hired a lawyer to handle the divorce, gone to Washington, D.C., and was looking for a rich husband while she was still young enough to lure one. I tried to console him, but about the only thing I could point to was that he clearly was fortunate to be rid of that one.
I just cannot conceive of a mistake that a person made at a relatively young age or in a state of passionate love being held against them as a matter of course, let alone declaring it to be either conservative or not. I thing Rush Limbaugh is a crude dishonest sorry excuse for a human being (PM too), but it is his constant hate, slander, and unjustified attacks (then add on the hypocrisies) that make him the pure and unadulterated jerk he is, not any failures or successes in marriage.
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: How good is good enough? Bdgee? Jordan?
How about clean enough that we can eat what lives in it without fear of toxicity?
How about clean enough that what lives in it won't be mutating extra arms, extra legs, extra fins, extra or undeveloped sex glands, random tumors, etc because of what seeps through their skin?
How about waters that aren't choked off by algae because of all the fertilizer runoff?
How about we get that taken care of and then reassess where we are at? Managing an ecosystem, just like managing a business, is not something with an end point.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:How about clean enough that we can eat what lives in it without fear of toxicity?
You lefties are always afraid, so I don't think that fear is a good measure of anything.
quote:How about clean enough that what lives in it won't be mutating extra arms, extra legs, extra fins, extra or undeveloped sex glands, random tumors, etc because of what seeps through their skin?
While having 4 legs and an extra fin might be a good thing, I agree with you that less toxic is good!
quote:How about waters that aren't choked off by algae because of all the fertilizer runoff?
That's probably a good thing, unless we're going to convert that algae to bio fuel.
Posted by jordanreed on :
poor little fishys
Posted by Machiavelli on :
quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot:
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: How good is good enough? Bdgee? Jordan?
How about clean enough that we can eat what lives in it without fear of toxicity?
How about clean enough that what lives in it won't be mutating extra arms, extra legs, extra fins, extra or undeveloped sex glands, random tumors, etc because of what seeps through their skin?
How about waters that aren't choked off by algae because of all the fertilizer runoff?
How about we get that taken care of and then reassess where we are at? Managing an ecosystem, just like managing a business, is not something with an end point.
Something tells me that PMS could not manage a home aquarium tank...
Posted by bdgee on :
"Something tells me that PMS could not manage a home aquarium tank..."
Certainly he could. They sell books that tell you exactly what to do and exactly how and when to do it. No need to think at all, just obey. Then, if something goes wrong, you can blame it on the wacko liberals, the deadbeat blacks, the sponging Mezikins, because you know you didn't mess it up, which means it had to be some sort of socialist.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
Actually, I've had several aquariums for years. My biggest is a 220 gallon salt water tank that has been in equilibrium for a long time. I occassionally clean the protein skimmer and once a year or so change the filter pads and that's all that's needed (other than food for the fish).
Posted by bdgee on :
Uh huh, what'd I tell ya, Mach!
It's when he tries something that doesn't come with standard rules and directions he has a problem and blame it on anyone else he can find.
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: Actually, I've had several aquariums for years. My biggest is a 220 gallon salt water tank that has been in equilibrium for a long time. I occassionally clean the protein skimmer and once a year or so change the filter pads and that's all that's needed (other than food for the fish).
Really? Honestly speaking. I can't hardly keep a 30 gallon fresh water tank going. Always too much algae. Been trying to find the right maintenance pattern for a couple years now.
Posted by glassman on :
move it out of the sunshine Posted by The Bigfoot on :
One full wall of my unit is nothing but windows glassman. I gots no choice! It ain't huge but I get plenty of natural light.
Oh...and I'm thinking of selling if anyone is interested. Wife wants a room for her art and a lawn for me to mow. Posted by glassman on :
well, as bdgee pointed out copper does inhibit algae growth...
i know it also kills shellfish but i don't know how fish would react.
sunshine is the culprit and i don't know of any tricks without killing the fish
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: One full wall of my unit is nothing but windows glassman. I gots no choice! It ain't huge but I get plenty of natural light.
Oh...and I'm thinking of selling if anyone is interested. Wife wants a room for her art and a lawn for me to mow.
sell the aquarium, use the proceeds for biz cards to promote her artwork. As her manager, retain enough to pay some decent kid to mow the lawn.
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
LOL
She is good. Problem is she is good at a lot of things so she doesn't create enough. Too busy kicking ass and taking names at her real job.
Her friend Andy now...him I did try to get him to let me sell his stuff. His work is off the charts but he absolutely refuses to allow a pricetag to touch anything he makes. Drives me NUTS! That guys is one of the few I believe could honestly make a living on his art if he so chose to. Instead he lives like a hermit.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: LOL
She is good. Problem is she is good at a lot of things so she doesn't create enough. Too busy kicking ass and taking names at her real job.
Her friend Andy now...him I did try to get him to let me sell his stuff. His work is off the charts but he absolutely refuses to allow a pricetag to touch anything he makes. Drives me NUTS! That guys is one of the few I believe could honestly make a living on his art if he so chose to. Instead he lives like a hermit.
Big?
You're losing focus...
Andy's one of those guys that either nobody ever hears about, or they make a movie about, years later. Tortured artist, etc...
Now?
About your aquarium?
ahem...
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Scientists Claim Earth Is Undergoing Natural Climate Shift.
MILWAUKEE -- The bitter cold and record snowfalls from two wicked winters are causing people to ask if the global climate is truly changing.
The climate is known to be variable and, in recent years, more scientific thought and research has been focused on the global temperature and how humanity might be influencing it.
However, a new study by the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee could turn the climate change world upside down.
Scientists at the university used a math application known as synchronized chaos and applied it to climate data taken over the past 100 years.
"Imagine that you have four synchronized swimmers and they are not holding hands and they do their program and everything is fine; now, if they begin to hold hands and hold hands tightly, most likely a slight error will destroy the synchronization. Well, we applied the same analogy to climate," researcher Dr. Anastasios Tsonis said.
Scientists said that the air and ocean systems of the earth are now showing signs of synchronizing with each other.
Eventually, the systems begin to couple and the synchronous state is destroyed, leading to a climate shift.
"In climate, when this happens, the climate state changes. You go from a cooling regime to a warming regime or a warming regime to a cooling regime. This way we were able to explain all the fluctuations in the global temperature trend in the past century," Tsonis said. "The research team has found the warming trend of the past 30 years has stopped and in fact global temperatures have leveled off since 2001."
The most recent climate shift probably occurred at about the year 2000.
Now the question is how has warming slowed and how much influence does human activity have?
"But if we don't understand what is natural, I don't think we can say much about what the humans are doing. So our interest is to understand -- first the natural variability of climate -- and then take it from there. So we were very excited when we realized a lot of changes in the past century from warmer to cooler and then back to warmer were all natural," Tsonis said.
Tsonis said he thinks the current trend of steady or even cooling earth temps may last a couple of decades or until the next climate shift occurs.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Global and Northern Hemisphere Tropical Cyclone Activity [still] lowest in 30-years
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