quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: Wow, Raybond... That rivals even some of the little birdy's stuff. Easily in the top ten of stupid **** I've read this year.
Stupid? No, too much truth for you, maybe, but it isn't stupid.
Until reporting of simple observation and obvious fact become the definition of stupid, that was not stupid.
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Truth? Perhaps if truth is defined at least secretly as pro-government propaganda bs.... Then yeah... You got me... Too much truth for me. May the blessings and glory of Clinton be upin you.
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No, you are confusing non-republican with progovernment again and requiring that progovernment be interpreted the way Reagan would, i.e., ultra evil because it is government, and at the same insisting, without bothering to look at the beast to see if it has legs even. I admit, that right now in particular and perhaps for several years, the republicans have treated anything not republican as if it is all one big scheme designed to defy republicanism and they do often label things that way, then tag them with the additional pejorative label of "progovernment", but that is a figment of their propensity of to reduce anything that doesn't aim toward casting things in their mold of government-hate to something evil. It's time to get over that worn out notion that you can oversimplify all things social as governmental or not and live by to the absurd assumption that if it is government it is bad.
Thatpost bond had is simply truth and another clearly obvious truth is that government, from the smallest to the largest, is of a size and complexity that is a function of the size of the population. If you don't like it, that's one thing, but trying to ignore the facts or demand that government get smaller or less complex is a demand to lower the population.
Less government? Genocide, anyone?
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Oh I think the same could be said of either part... You know I understand there is no such thing as a two party system in this country. Merely a two faced one party system intended to give us the illusion of hope. Up untill 11/5/08 you spewed anti-government bs.... Now that your "Face" is in office your blatherings are notably pro-government.
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No, I didn't "spew(ed) anti-government bs", it was all anti republican and still is. They sh-t in the soup long ago and I stopped trusting them. Your confusion is that you feel deeply associated with the republican mantra so completely, that while the republicans were dictating, you couldn't discern the difference and views it as anti-government.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: No, I didn't "spew(ed) anti-government bs", it was all anti republican and still is. They sh-t in the soup long ago and I stopped trusting them. Your confusion is that you feel deeply associated with the republican mantra so completely, that while the republicans were dictating, you couldn't discern the difference and views it as anti-government.
no he didn't, he's a libertarian.
the Dems will do the crap Dems do and the GOP will get back in eventually.
Obama might be different, he knows the history books will already have special notations for him, and he may stand up to the party.
anybody who expected him to do that in the first month was delusional...
as it is? i don't expect him to do much standing up against his own party in his first term.
if he gets a second? i bet he slamdunks a few of 'em.
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Good god man.... I just get done telling you there is no such thing as two parties and you retort by telling me I am partisan? I am actually stunned by your lack of proximity to this universe. Is there no end to your desire to see the drip dried bottom of every bottle of rot gut whiskey on this planet. Its good to have a mission in lfe but for the sake of preventing desk bruised foreheads the world ****ing over.... Please choose another.
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Dear Obama, please stimulate the economy not government.
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How much money has been spent in the last two weeks again?
GOVERNMENT is the pig on the table gentlemen. Government is the biggest pork slice of them all. Now, we expand even further? Once they get their hooks on taxpayer dollars it is an addiction they cant break. How many staffers does a congressperson need? Bush should have never started homeland security. Just another government black hole for tax dollars. Dont we have ENOUGH agencies out there? Why cant Obama make CUTs besides a few military projects the pentagon wants?
Obama says nobody making under $250K will pay more taxes. BULLSH** because the taxes will be raised elsewhere. Such as taxing the most heavily taxed industry of them all...oil and gas. They dont tax, and cant tax arab oil production, but they buy 70% of it and tax the people to use it. They do tax the hell out of the AMERICAN independent oil producer as if they were being punished for producing energy for America. Taxes get passed down to the consumer in ANY industry.
NO MORE OBAMA-O!!!
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: No, I didn't "spew(ed) anti-government bs", it was all anti republican and still is. They sh-t in the soup long ago and I stopped trusting them. Your confusion is that you feel deeply associated with the republican mantra so completely, that while the republicans were dictating, you couldn't discern the difference and views it as anti-government.
no he didn't, he's a libertarian.
the Dems will do the crap Dems do and the GOP will get back in eventually.
Obama might be different, he knows the history books will already have special notations for him, and he may stand up to the party.
anybody who expected him to do that in the first month was delusional...
as it is? i don't expect him to do much standing up against his own party in his first term.
if he gets a second? i bet he slamdunks a few of 'em.
Bdgee a libertarian, I think not. He's definately represented himself as a big government socialist and DNC lacky. He has not stopped championing the likes of Dodd and Frank, and tries to belittle anyone who disagrees with the DNC agenda.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: No, I didn't "spew(ed) anti-government bs", it was all anti republican and still is. They sh-t in the soup long ago and I stopped trusting them. Your confusion is that you feel deeply associated with the republican mantra so completely, that while the republicans were dictating, you couldn't discern the difference and views it as anti-government.
no he didn't, he's a libertarian.
the Dems will do the crap Dems do and the GOP will get back in eventually.
Obama might be different, he knows the history books will already have special notations for him, and he may stand up to the party.
anybody who expected him to do that in the first month was delusional...
as it is? i don't expect him to do much standing up against his own party in his first term.
if he gets a second? i bet he slamdunks a few of 'em.
Bdgee a libertarian, I think not. He's definately represented himself as a big government socialist and DNC lacky. He has not stopped championing the likes of Dodd and Frank, and tries to belittle anyone who disagrees with the DNC agenda.
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bdgee is as far left as you can get. this is the best definition I have found:
The term left has been applied to socialism, communism, anarchism, social democracy and — in the United States — modern liberalism.[1]
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: No, I didn't "spew(ed) anti-government bs", it was all anti republican and still is. They sh-t in the soup long ago and I stopped trusting them. Your confusion is that you feel deeply associated with the republican mantra so completely, that while the republicans were dictating, you couldn't discern the difference and views it as anti-government.
Nah I got that.. You've always been partisan opposed to republicans since you've been on this board. So much so that I've labeled you as a party operative. Quite likely I am right.. It happens as you know.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: No, I didn't "spew(ed) anti-government bs", it was all anti republican and still is. They sh-t in the soup long ago and I stopped trusting them. Your confusion is that you feel deeply associated with the republican mantra so completely, that while the republicans were dictating, you couldn't discern the difference and views it as anti-government.
Nah I got that.. You've always been partisan opposed to republicans since you've been on this board. So much so that I've labeled you as a party operative. Quite likely I am right.. It happens as you know.
The facts are that I am a red pickup drivin red neck and proud southern boy with a gun rack in the rear winder, often sportin, therein. a gun or two, so folks understand that I don't truck with those that try f---in around with mine or with your rights under the 2nd Amendment, so it ain't necessary to say it via bumper sticker.
My truck with the republican party comes as a result of that party turnin fascist and anti-American and lyin about it over and over and all that happening even before it chose to become the Racist Party of America and lean on racial divide in order to garner the vote of the mentally and emotionally burnt out segregationist of the old south, which is about all it has for a loyal following any more.
The Party has replaced honest political debate with hate and character assassination, mostly because it insist on basing everything it claims to support on racial bigotry and burned out and proved to be fallacious 18th century catch catch phrases it likes to post as bumper stickers today, often accompanied by a side by side bumper stickers with some 19th century racial insinuation, none of which or all of 'em stacked together hold up as even semi-valid in debate material, leaving the Party no other recourse but the hate and slander they then assault with.
Am I an activist. Damned right I am! For the United states of America and its Constitution, which I, contrasted with most proud republicans, have read, and I therefore know does not contain anything declaring this Nation to be restricted to the support of or to subjugation by any sort of financial or economic system or religious system or type, what-so-ever, irrespective to the far too often stated claims of Republican Party propaganda.
You and yours fall to swiftly to branding any and everything to belong to only one of two camps, republican and non-republican, ignoring that that second division may and does contain many varied facets and types and assuming that the first is actually republican....it hasn't been for over 3 decades.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: No, I didn't "spew(ed) anti-government bs", it was all anti republican and still is. They sh-t in the soup long ago and I stopped trusting them. Your confusion is that you feel deeply associated with the republican mantra so completely, that while the republicans were dictating, you couldn't discern the difference and views it as anti-government.
no he didn't, he's a libertarian.
the Dems will do the crap Dems do and the GOP will get back in eventually.
Obama might be different, he knows the history books will already have special notations for him, and he may stand up to the party.
anybody who expected him to do that in the first month was delusional...
as it is? i don't expect him to do much standing up against his own party in his first term.
if he gets a second? i bet he slamdunks a few of 'em.
Bdgee a libertarian, I think not. He's definately represented himself as a big government socialist and DNC lacky. He has not stopped championing the likes of Dodd and Frank, and tries to belittle anyone who disagrees with the DNC agenda.
relentless is libertarian, budgee is a silly goose.
how did you miss the fact that i was responding to bdgee.
relentless has alwyas expressed a dim view of govt.
what i find amusing is how the GOP is now suddenly anti-govt (on TV)
bunch a damn lying hypocrites. at leas the Dems are honest when they tell you they are going to tax and spend.
the GOP took itself outa the game by lying and cheating..
Hastert? Frist? DeLay? Cunningham? OMG, the list is so long why can't anybody remember why they are gone?
who was that old fart from Alaska that builds bridges? sheesh...
and Cheney? the guy made 50 million dollars in public service? unhuh. i was born at night, but not last night..i'm not a beleiver...
crooks all.
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Obama's Budget: Almost $1 Trillion in New Taxes Over Next 10 yrs, Starting 2011 February 26, 2009 12:00 PM
President Obama's budget proposes $989 billion in new taxes over the course of the next 10 years, starting fiscal year 2011, most of which are tax increases on individuals.
1) On people making more than $250,000.
$338 billion - Bush tax cuts expire $179 billlion - eliminate itemized deduction $118 billion - capital gains tax hike
Total: $636 billion/10 years
2) Businesses:
$17 billion - Reinstate Superfund taxes $24 billion - tax carried-interest as income $5 billion - codify "economic substance doctrine" $61 billion - repeal LIFO $210 billion - international enforcement, reform deferral, other tax reform $4 billion - information reporting for rental payments $5.3 billion - excise tax on Gulf of Mexico oil and gas $3.4 billion - repeal expensing of tangible drilling costs $62 million - repeal deduction for tertiary injectants $49 million - repeal passive loss exception for working interests in oil and natural gas properties $13 billion - repeal manufacturing tax deduction for oil and natural gas companies $1 billion - increase to 7 years geological and geophysical amortization period for independent producers $882 million - eliminate advanced earned income tax credit
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OK, i just pulled the last one from the list and searched it...
advanced earned income tax credit (882 million tax increase? )
here's what it is:
A1. The advance EITC allows taxpayers who expect to qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) and have at least one qualifying child to receive part of the credit in each paycheck during the year the taxpayer qualifies for the credit. The credit is sometimes called the AEITC.
first one i checked is a non-issue, think about it. EITC is oneof the biggest beaches the GOP has... it give poor people money they didn't earn... it should be deleted entirely... keeping people from getting it early is a tax increase? i don't think so.
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out of curiosity? here's the next one up the list
geological and geophysical amortization period for independent producers
The provision excludes gross receipts of the taxpayer derived from the sale, exchange, or other disposition of oil, natural gas, or any primary product thereof from the term `domestic production gross receipts' for purposes of section 199. The term `primary product' has the same meaning as when used in section 927(a)(2)(C), as in effect before its repeal. The Treasury regulations define the term `primary product from oil' to mean crude oil and all products derived from the destructive distillation of crude oil, including volatile products, light oils such as motor fuel and kerosene, distillates such as naphtha, lubricating oils, greases and waxes, and residues such as fuel oil. 86
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The oil and gas industry pays enough taxes as it is already. They have funded schools, roads, and you name it. A way for broke budget California to get some money? Allow offshore energy production to begin.
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Without roads, about 90% of which are made of asphalt, to whom will the oil companies sell that ultra heavy crude? It cost a fortune to refine it far enough to make diesel or gasoline from it. (The major part of road construction is preparation and construction of the underlayment, whatever the final surface is made from, and that underlayment depends on petroleum products (mostly light tar, but some plastics) for moisture barriers.)
(Too, those roads that aren't asphalt get patched with asphalt. Of course if you aren't going to be willing to pay for them, then there won't be any needed for that either)
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quote:nobody should be getting loopholes to get out of paying what they owe.
If you have a loophole, then you don't owe the tax!
wow. you must be related to Sherlock Holmes... even if it is distantly...
do you know how and why loopholes came to be?
mostly because some cousin of a Senator got a job doing NOTHING at some corporation that benefits...
eventually even the company cannot tolerate the lazyazz and fires him, but the loophole stays..
in the meantime some accountant gets paid 7 figures cuz he wasted his/her life poring over ridiculously crafted laws and figuring out all the loopholes and then they spend their worthless pitiful life teaching co's how to contort and pervert their businesses to fit into the mess...
inefficient and downright stupid...
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: The oil and gas industry pays enough taxes as it is already.
says who? SOMEBODY hasn't been paying it, otherwise we wouldn't running a 10 trillion dollar deficit.
we pay every penny of it when we buy the stuff anyway. buy less? and you'll pay less. it's that simple...
in Alaska? the oil and gas people pay something like 90% pf the state taxes. Palin likes that i hear, she raised em on them.
none of this is stragihtforwrd, you want a better government forget the hate,and the propaganda.
find out what really works and what doesn't and fight for or against them..
whether you like it or not? we are in this mess because of the GOP. cutting taxes got us right here where are....
fact is? we owe our country more than a salute when they sing the anthem. (some have already paid, and i know that's you but i think you get my point)
nobody should be getting loopholes to get out of paying what they owe.
as for funding roads? without roads? there's less oil to use.. that raod money is a federal tax that is passed directly to the consumer...
Wrong Glass,
Over the past 25 years, oil companies directly paid or remitted more than $2.2 trillion in taxes, after adjusting for inflation, to federal and state governments—including excise taxes, royalty payments and state and federal corporate income taxes. That amounts to more than three times what they earned in profits during the same period, according to the latest numbers from the Bureau of Economic Analysis and U.S. Department of Energy.
These figures do not include local property taxes, state sales and severance taxes and on-shore royalty payments.
Just because they made a profit in 2008 doesnt mean they dont pay taxes. When everyone thinks of oil companies they think exxon. They dont think about the small independent energy producers that make up most of the production in the nation.
"The past year has clearly been a good year for oil companies. However, these large profits should be viewed in proper perspective, given the staggering amount of tax the industry currently pays and remits to governments at the federal, state, and local levels. As the experience of the past quarter-century has shown, governments have actually “profited” more from the oil industry than the industry has earned for its shareholders"
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: The oil and gas industry pays enough taxes as it is already.
says who? SOMEBODY hasn't been paying it, otherwise we wouldn't running a 10 trillion dollar deficit.
we pay every penny of it when we buy the stuff anyway. buy less? and you'll pay less. it's that simple...
in Alaska? the oil and gas people pay something like 90% pf the state taxes. Palin likes that i hear, she raised em on them.
none of this is stragihtforwrd, you want a better government forget the hate,and the propaganda.
find out what really works and what doesn't and fight for or against them..
whether you like it or not? we are in this mess because of the GOP. cutting taxes got us right here where are....
fact is? we owe our country more than a salute when they sing the anthem. (some have already paid, and i know that's you but i think you get my point)
nobody should be getting loopholes to get out of paying what they owe.
as for funding roads? without roads? there's less oil to use.. that raod money is a federal tax that is passed directly to the consumer...
Wrong Glass,
Over the past 25 years, oil companies directly paid or remitted more than $2.2 trillion in taxes, after adjusting for inflation, to federal and state governments—including excise taxes, royalty payments and state and federal corporate income taxes. That amounts to more than three times what they earned in profits during the same period, according to the latest numbers from the Bureau of Economic Analysis and U.S. Department of Energy.
These figures do not include local property taxes, state sales and severance taxes and on-shore royalty payments.
Just because they made a profit in 2008 doesnt mean they dont pay taxes. When everyone thinks of oil companies they think exxon. They dont think about the small independent energy producers that make up most of the production in the nation.
"The past year has clearly been a good year for oil companies. However, these large profits should be viewed in proper perspective, given the staggering amount of tax the industry currently pays and remits to governments at the federal, state, and local levels. As the experience of the past quarter-century has shown, governments have actually “profited” more from the oil industry than the industry has earned for its shareholders"
What an idiotic excuse for reason! cowbrain, no one said the oil companies didn't pay ANY taxes. They surely haven't been paying their fair share.
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If 2009 is a terrible year for big oil due to the drop off in demand, will we give them a bailout? That's only fair - they should get their fair share of the bailout pie.
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No, not trying to be funny. Big oil was the enemy when they were successful. Now that oil prices are WAY DOWN, they will start to lose money and you lefties should love them. They're a victim. Share the wealth with them Jordan!
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