quote:Might have to for the nations good have to take the oil company's over and manage them for the good of the nation.
SOCIALIST!
as opposed to what exactly? surely you don't beleive we currently have a free market economy?
half the oil we buy is from state-owned oil wells anyway... th eUS is about the last place left where the oil "belongs" to whoever pumps it out of the ground no matter who's ground it's coming out of...
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Call me what you want. But the oil industry is far from free enterprise now if they keep going down the same path they are now they will cause riots. At this point they are a small tumor abusing a free country wear they were allowed to to become wealthy.
PM I would even go a step further. If I were president they could run there co.'s anyway they wanted to. But there families would be my guest at the White House.
A little method the Romans used that worked for them for about a thousand years.
But anyway if they don't stop ther manipulation tere is no more country as we know it.
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And yes I do have more faith in our governments than major corporation I have worked for the federal ans state government my whole life.
As I would rather put my well being any day in the law and regulation of any of our various governments. Instead of the wim of a corporate CEO
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Riots??? Who gives a **** about a riot? We are talking about your ability to exist.. My ability to exist.. Gas at fifteen like some moron is predicting will end our ability to exist... How long will three hundred million people survive on this island if we are forced to hunt for a living? And all of that is not the point it is all the pointless synptoms of the point. The point is that this problem is fabricated. That's right! It is not real. Can anyone tell me there is actually a shortage of oil? No you can't. can you tell me it is the oil companies alone creating this issue? Nope.. strike two. This IS an attempt by this and all other governments to further control us... we the people. Government is the problem.. NEVER the solution.
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quote:Originally posted by bond006: And yes I do have more faith in our governments than major corporation I have worked for the federal ans state government my whole life.
As I would rather put my well being any day in the law and regulation of any of our various governments. Instead of the wim of a corporate CEO
Please understand I mean this in the kindest regards... as we've at times met on the same side of many issues... But for that statement... you ARE a moron. Please spend the next few moments neglecting the anger my name calling has induced. Instead find the initiative to correct your obvious mental malfunctions. Engage in this little exercise: What one entity has been the greatest threat to life... human or any other form?
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I really feel a lot worse is coming.A person with any brains can see what is happening and what is at stake. If we break down a lot of us are not going to make it.
No business organization is worth that
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Well I think that is much of the issue today in real politics. There are two villans we have to decide between. Government or corporations? Same evil deeds and decisions can be laid at either's feet. Perhaps... Perhaps its a symptom of decisions made with "Objectivity". Both seem to pride themselves on their ability to make the right moves based on their "objectivity". Perhaps this leads into my recent postings about government and the media creating "them". The creation of "them" is what is the problem. If we as a people.. and as a people I mean Humans.. not just Americans.. If we can replace the word them with us.. I bet we could solve the world's problems.. In fact I would not be at all suprised if all those naughty christian words like ****, **** ****, *******, *****, and all the others... were in ancient languages for the one word we now know as "them".
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And more than that... what I think.. NO.. What I know is we are being forced into this decision.. A fake decision.. With the same controlling monopoly on either side. I know I've brought this up before.. but I'll do it again. It is NOT a choice if the end is scripted and both routes lead to the same end.
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well, i've pointed this out several times recently....
the Clintons went from broke in '01 to 100 million dollars in 7 years and they did it because of public service?
i'd say not....
that's the real problem DQR...
the government isn't for the people, it's for the money...
there's nothing wrong with people becoming wealthy, the problem is whether they earn it or steal it..... it doesn't seem like too many of 'em bother to earn it any more....
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Yeah I remember in '01 Clinton's reported was something like $150K. In fact I remember that was part of his angle on him being anti-establishment. All part of the game I think.
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: Boycott EXXON...lol, said this long time ago--you get enough folks to simply say, "No" to EXXON? price will tumble...
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The biggest problem, oil + natural gas, etc... being classified as fossil fuels. What a hoax!!
The stuff replenishes itself in the ground naturally. Good 'ole wells in Texas that were "dry" years ago are once again producing the toxic tea that makes the world go 'round.
Do teachers still teach these lies in schools?
Where'd bdgee go anyhow? That old scientist would be on me like a fly in a cow pie already if still around...
A Japanese company (Toyota) and an American company (Ford Motor) decided to have a canoe race on the Missouri River Both teams practiced long and hard to reach their peak performance before the race.
On the big day, the Japanese won by a mile.
The Americans, very discouraged and depressed, decided to investigate the reason for the crushing defeat. A management team made up of senior management was formed to investigate and recommend appropriate action.
Their conclusion was the Japanese had 8 people rowing and 1 person steering, while the American team had 7 people steering and 2 people rowing.
Feeling a deeper study was in order; American management hired a consulting company and paid them a large amount of money for a second opinion.
They advised, of course, that too many people were steering the boat, while not enough people were rowing.
Not sure of how to utilize that information, but wanting to prevent another loss to the Japanese, the rowing team’s management structure was totally reorganized to 4 steering supervisors, 2 area steering superintendents and 1 assistant superintendent steering manager.
They also implemented a new performance system that would give the 2 people rowing the boat greater incentive to work harder. It was called the ‘Rowing Team Quality First Program,’ with meetings, dinners and free pens for the rowers. There was discussion of getting new paddles, canoes and other equipment, extra vacation days for practices and bonuses. The pension program was trimmed to ‘equal the competition’ and some of the resultant savings were channeled into morale boosting programs and teamwork posters.
The next year the Japanese won by two miles.
Humiliated, the American management laid-off one rower, halted development of a new canoe, sold all the paddles, and canceled all capital investments for new equipment. The money saved was distributed to the Senior Executives as bonuses.
The next year, try as he might, the lone designated rower was unable to even finish the race (having no paddles,) so he was laid off for unacceptable performance, all canoe equipment was sold and the next year’s racing team was out-sourced to India.
Sadly, the End.
Here’s something else to think about: Ford has spent the last thirty years moving all its factories out of the US , claiming they can’t make money paying American wages.
TOYOTA has spent the last thirty years building more than a dozen plants inside the US. The last quarter’s results:
TOYOTA makes 4 billion in profits while Ford racked up 9 billion in losses.
Ford folks are still scratching their heads, and collecting bonuses.
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I hope that gas prices continue to rise. I'm looking forward to seeing what price gas will reach before you socialists give up on your wacko environmentalism and global warming nonsense, and start pleading for drilling in ANWR and offshore of the continental shelf. How long will it be before you liberals embrace nuclear power? How long before you want to put windmills in Ted Kennedy's sailing grounds? How long before we get serious about energy independence? I'm betting the price will have to get to $8 per gallon before this happens.
It's too bad that the cap and trade bill didn't survive and pass this week. Another $1.50 per gallon and millions of additional jobs leaving the US is exactly what we need. We need some pain to straighten this country up!
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That is pure garbage my friend. You will take your politics to the point that you want the whole country to implode just to proveyou are right or insane.
Sounds to me you should head to Argentina with old flight suit when he is out of office.
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The trouble with this country is we have become sheep.
Where is the spirt of the men that pulled off the Boston tea party.
If you don't like the price and you have it forced down your throat dump out. And tell the owners to go to hell. When they come to get you ambush them.
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: I hope that gas prices continue to rise. I'm looking forward to seeing what price gas will reach before you socialists give up on your wacko environmentalism and global warming nonsense, and start pleading for drilling in ANWR and offshore of the continental shelf. How long will it be before you liberals embrace nuclear power? How long before you want to put windmills in Ted Kennedy's sailing grounds? How long before we get serious about energy independence? I'm betting the price will have to get to $8 per gallon before this happens.
It's too bad that the cap and trade bill didn't survive and pass this week. Another $1.50 per gallon and millions of additional jobs leaving the US is exactly what we need. We need some pain to straighten this country up!
Mike
careful what you wish for.
i hadn't realised the rush limbaugh view of the world had become so distorted... i thought you called yourself a Christian, is this the kindof stuff you are really praying for?
the coming social unrest is likely to include slogans like "eat the rich" and "crucify your landlord first"...
and it is coming, and you can thank the "conservatives" that have been running the country for the last 30 years for that.
there is no shortage of oil. except maybe what they took off the market to run the Iraq war.
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William J. H. Boetcker (1873 – 1962) was an American religious leader and influential public speaker.
Born in Hamburg, Germany, he was ordained a Presbyterian minister soon after his arrival in the United States as a young adult. He quickly gained attention as an eloquent motivational speaker, and is often regarded today as the forerunner of such contemporary "success coaches" as Anthony Robbins.
An outspoken political conservative, Rev. Boetcker is perhaps best remembered for his authorship of a pamphlet entitled The Ten Cannots; originally published in 1916, it is often misattributed to Abraham Lincoln. The error apparently stems from a leaflet printed in 1942 by a conservative political organization called the Committee for Constitutional Government; the leaflet bore the title "Lincoln on Limitations" and contained some genuine Lincoln quotations on one side and the "Ten Cannots" on the other, with the attributions juxtaposed (the mistake of crediting Lincoln for having been the source of "The Ten Cannots" has been repeated many times since, most notably by Ronald Reagan in a speech he gave at the 1992 Republican convention in Houston).
There are several minor variants of the pamphlet in circulation, but the most commonly-accepted version appears below:
* You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. * You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. * You cannot help little men by tearing down big men. * You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. * You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. * You cannot establish sound security on borrowed money. * You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. * You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you earn. * You cannot build character and courage by destroying men's initiative and independence. * And you cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they can and should do for them
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* You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. * You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. * You cannot help little men by tearing down big men. * You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. * You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. * You cannot establish sound security on borrowed money. * You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. * You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you earn. * You cannot build character and courage by destroying men's initiative and independence. * And you cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they can and should do for them
Amen, Brother. Amen.
i actually thought it was a cool speech... i was wondering when he said it...
before or after sending Sherman to burn Atlanta...
quote:Originally posted by bond006: Good speach now we sould email it to President bush
yeah, some of US were trying to point this out about Iraq early on...
you can't GIVE people freedom...
there's some recent developments that i haven't verified yet but reports indicate that Bush is balckmailing the Iraqi govt to allow us to establish permanent bases by threatening to "re-invoke" Sadams debts to US that we had previously forgiven....
what's even worse about that is that Bush would be doing this even tho congress passed resolutions stating we wouldn't. (before the GOP lost control)
and? it isn't clear whether he has the proper authority to do this without it being a treaty which must pass a senate ratification vote of 2/3.... the guy is in lalaland...
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ENGEL: That’s the question, is it permanent bases or is it not, and the details of this have not been published. The U.S. and Iraqi officials I’ve spoken to say they would not be U.S. permanent bases in Iraq, they would be Iraqi bases and that U.S. troops would reside on them as tenants and may even have to pay some sort of nominal rent, so there would be a face saving device. What’s also trying to be worked out is what’s the exact U.S. mission. Would they be able to conduct independent operations without the advice and consultation of the Iraqi government and that has been a point of contention.
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