quote:Originally posted by turbokid: having dabbled in the rental game i can attest to the poor choices made by some. my first tenants had 9, count em 9 adults living there. only 1 had a job. they did manage to squeak by for a year, then gave up the security deposit and bounced. the next folks, had alot of parties, drank alot of beer spent weekends at casinos and hardly ever watered the lawn because the water was to expensive.
i found out quick that if you give an inch they take a mile. if they found you to be soft on payment dates, the next payment was even later until you lay down the law. its unfortunate but it happens, and feeling sorry for folks who make poor decisions isnt something landlords are in the business of doing. i donate to homeless charities, but feeling sorry for parents who feed thier kids ramen noodles because they had to have the newest flatscreen isnt something i feel bad about (except for the innocent kids) but im in no position to dictate some childs upbringing.
Your ride sounds interesting...will check your pix.
As far as renters go? I've had roommates skip out on me, rip me off, and be slow to pay. That being said, it *still* doesn't mean everyone who's going through a jam is a screw-up or deadbeat...
quote:Originally posted by Sunnyside: I think there is a diff between your regular Joe struggling thru a hard time and those that never make the effort.
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Your absolutely right Sunnyside, but that's not the real issue Propertymanager is talking about as was indicated by Tex.
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perhaps property manager has become jaded being in that business for a while, kinda like i imagine cops would do.
IWISHIHAD: yeah its front wheel drive for now but i have a rear end from an AWD talon sitting patiently in the gargage, and yes i drag race. (i guess thats what you were getting at, what kind of racing) i never could get into oval racing but it is entertaining to watch when they do figure 8's or figure 8 trains..
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Another group of people that i think of when we talk about down and out people are the ones that work year after year and can never get ahead. That number is growing and growing. At some point they get tired of beating their head agaist the wall and give up. They are techniqualy able to work but feel it does not do any good.
But then we have those other people that make BAD choices and live on the streets. Those drug addicts, lazy, dead beat, unable to make their car payment people. They should be out in the streets--they deserve it. At least that's what i am supposed to believe!
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Almost all homeless veterans are male (about three percent are women), the vast majority are single, and most come from poor, disadvantaged backgrounds. Homeless veterans tend to be older and more educated than homeless non-veterans. But similar to the general population of homeless adult males, about 45% of homeless veterans suffer from mental illness and (with considerable overlap) slightly more than 70% suffer from alcohol or other drug abuse problems. Roughly 56% are African American or Hispanic
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but that's not the real issue Propertymanager is talking about as was indicated by Tex.
That is EXACTLY the issue. These people that are too LAZY to work should not receive subsidies because they are deadbeats, loafers, and sponges! They are a drain on society and we (the taxpayers) are doing them a dis-service by facilitating their laziness with these subsidies! That is the point! There are MILLIONS of people like this. I've personally seen literally hundreds just in my little business. In fact, in my low income rentals when I ask applicants where they work, they often look at me like I'm stupid for asking such a silly question. Work? Who works?
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Propertymanager are you The Munchkin Man with a new identity? He has not been around for awhile and changes his identity every so often.
You guys remember when he was DWE the Repo person. I sure do. I remember one day when i was posting on SSTY and i thought a tornado had blown through that posting. Tex and Glassman you remember.
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: Sorry, I'm not the Munchkin Man. But if he was part of the vast right wing conspiracy, I'm sure I would have liked him.
Mike
oh he is, and you'd love him...
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I take it back DWE was a substitute elementry school teacher in LA. He had indicated he owned a repo business, i think that's where the DWE came from.
I also remember RepoMan he has not been around for a long time.
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: but that's not the real issue Propertymanager is talking about as was indicated by Tex.
That is EXACTLY the issue. These people that are too LAZY to work should not receive subsidies because they are deadbeats, loafers, and sponges! They are a drain on society and we (the taxpayers) are doing them a dis-service by facilitating their laziness with these subsidies! That is the point! There are MILLIONS of people like this. I've personally seen literally hundreds just in my little business. In fact, in my low income rentals when I ask applicants where they work, they often look at me like I'm stupid for asking such a silly question. Work? Who works?
Mike
lol...dude?
invoke my nick? deal with me, please...
not following you re:
quote:That is EXACTLY the issue.
What *precisely* is the issue?
I doubt any here support the idea of freeloaders. I certainly do not. I work every day of the week, either on a job site somewhere or trading.
Can you possibly calm down and articulate a rational position?
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Not going to get involved in "the argument" between P.M. and beegee...as that would be a complete waste of time...but for the record, my experience with evicting tenants goes like this...
Number of evictions attempted for non payment of rent - 8
Number of evictions granted for non payment of rent - 8
Number of money judgments attempted through courts (average o $1500.00 owed) - 8
Number of money judgments granted through courts - 8
Number of money judgments collected - 0
Number of tenants who made any type of attempt to pay back money they owed, and were ordered to pay through the courts - 0
Number of evictions caused by tenant medical emergency, job layoff, etc. - 0
Number of evictions caused by tenants irresponsibility - 8
Number of evicted tenants with the latest cell phone clipped on their belts - 8
Number of evicted tenants with high speed internet service at time of eviction - 8
Number of evicted tenants with big screen TV's - 8
Number of evicted tenants who left drug paraphernalia, empty liquor bottles, etc. in their apartments - 8
Gas here - $2.85
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quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: Not going to get involved in "the argument" between P.M. and beegee...as that would be a complete waste of time...but for the record, my experience with evicting tenants goes like this...
Number of evictions attempted for non payment of rent - 8
Number of evictions granted for non payment of rent - 8
Number of money judgments attempted through courts (average o $1500.00 owed) - 8
Number of money judgments granted through courts - 8
Number of money judgments collected - 0
Number of tenants who made any type of attempt to pay back money they owed, and were ordered to pay through the courts - 0
Number of evictions caused by tenant medical emergency, job layoff, etc. - 0
Number of evictions caused by tenants irresponsibility - 8
Number of evicted tenants with the latest cell phone clipped on their belts - 8
Number of evicted tenants with high speed internet service at time of eviction - 8
Number of evicted tenants with big screen TV's - 8
Number of evicted tenants who left drug paraphernalia, empty liquor bottles, etc. in their apartments - 8
Gas here - $2.85
lol, buck...
what are you saying? You like the landlord biz, or not?
quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: I take it back DWE was a substitute elementry school teacher in LA. He had indicated he owned a repo business, i think that's where the DWE came from.
I also remember RepoMan he has not been around for a long time.
wasn't DWE serving court papers too?
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Hated it Tex...the "deadbeats" took all the fun...and profit out of it.
Sold them all last year.
Funny thing is that the courts around here DO NOT go easy on landlords, and give tenants a LOT of latitude, but every eviction that I attempted was granted easily...why...irresponsibility
Score:
People with legit reasons for not paying their rent - 0
People that were blatantly irresponsible - 8
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People with legit reasons for not paying their rent - 0
People that were blatantly irresponsible - 8
My record is the same:
People with legit reasons for not paying their rent - 0
Deadbeats evicted for being blatantly irresponsible - dozens
I don't normally sue the tenants after I evict them, because it is nearly impossible to collect. However, I'm suing a real scumbag tomorrow. After he was evicted, he intentionally made a real mess and what really pissed me off was that he abandoned a baby kitten (not allowed on the lease) outside when the overnight temperature was about freezing. The kitten survived until I discovered it the next morning after the eviction and I found it a good home, but I really despise that scumbag and I'm suing him just to make his life miserable. I'm sure all the socialists will think he's a victim and doubtless deserves a handout, but so be it. I think he's a worthless loser that should be living in the gutter!
quote:Originally posted by Sunnyside: Hey bdgee, I'd like to think that you're just being contrary for the fun of it. Do you actually believe that there are people who aren't just plain lazy? That there are people who just don't give a crap about responsiblity? Aw... c'mon now.
If its the labels you don't like. Oh well. That's more psycho-bable bs.
There are people who ARE just plain lazy and exploit the system to get all they can to pursue their drug addictions and other irresponsible pursuits. Yes Bdgee it's true. You can dismiss it, be repelled by it, or choose to ignore it, but it exists. I see it every single day.
Unfortunately, there are plenty of needy people who don't have access to the benefits they should because they're not as crafty or capable as those that abuse the system.
I am actually repelled by those who get SSI, Medicare and Medicaid, and squander it on drugs (for instance) rather than food for their children or housing. They use their Medicare/ Medicaid benefits to live in hospitals awaiting their next payment. Or get apts but don't use their checks for the rent? Do you think these people don't exist?
You too Jordan. What world do you guys live in anyway?
Don't be crude with your inappropriate misrepresentations.
I never said such a thing. Of course there are people that are lazy.
What I did say is that there are those that are not rich, well off, privileged, etc. and are also not deadbeats, lazy, wacko, socialist, lefties, dishonest, or any of the other labels and insulting crap that that bigot flails about in his hatred, while they may also be caught in not exactly financial utopia.
I didn't say or imply what you seem to want to believe.
Now what world did you get those gross misrepresentations from?
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quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: Hated it Tex...the "deadbeats" took all the fun...and profit out of it.
Sold them all last year.
Funny thing is that the courts around here DO NOT go easy on landlords, and give tenants a LOT of latitude, but every eviction that I attempted was granted easily...why...irresponsibility
Score:
People with legit reasons for not paying their rent - 0
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: Score:
People with legit reasons for not paying their rent - 0
People that were blatantly irresponsible - 8
My record is the same:
People with legit reasons for not paying their rent - 0
Deadbeats evicted for being blatantly irresponsible - dozens
I don't normally sue the tenants after I evict them, because it is nearly impossible to collect. However, I'm suing a real scumbag tomorrow. After he was evicted, he intentionally made a real mess and what really pissed me off was that he abandoned a baby kitten (not allowed on the lease) outside when the overnight temperature was about freezing. The kitten survived until I discovered it the next morning after the eviction and I found it a good home, but I really despise that scumbag and I'm suing him just to make his life miserable. I'm sure all the socialists will think he's a victim and doubtless deserves a handout, but so be it. I think he's a worthless loser that should be living in the gutter!
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Bottom line was OK...only because we bought our properties right, spent a lot of our time and money to renovate and update the properties, managed them properly, and sold them before the recent decline in the real estate market here in MI.
What pisses me off is that we have over $12k in money judgments owed to us, and we only owned the properties for a little over 3 years...That erases ALL of our profit from the actual rental income...not to mention the costs to clean the mess and repair the damage they leave behind.
The sad thing is...the deadbeats were the straw that broke the camels back, and the reason we sold all of our residential rental properties...
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quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: Hated it Tex...the "deadbeats" took all the fun...and profit out of it.
Sold them all last year.
Funny thing is that the courts around here DO NOT go easy on landlords, and give tenants a LOT of latitude, but every eviction that I attempted was granted easily...why...irresponsibility
Score:
People with legit reasons for not paying their rent - 0
People that were blatantly irresponsible - 8
Sounds like you made the right move, bro.
Obviously, that's not a market for everyone.
Trust your bottom line is OK...
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quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: Bottom line was OK...only because we bought our properties right, spent a lot of our time and money to renovate and update the properties, managed them properly, and sold them before the recent decline in the real estate market here in MI.
What pisses me off is that we have over $12k in money judgments owed to us, and we only owned the properties for a little over 3 years...That erases ALL of our profit from the actual rental income...not to mention the costs to clean the mess and repair the damage they leave behind.
The sad thing is...the deadbeats were the straw that broke the camels back, and the reason we sold all of our residential rental properties...
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: Hated it Tex...the "deadbeats" took all the fun...and profit out of it.
Sold them all last year.
Funny thing is that the courts around here DO NOT go easy on landlords, and give tenants a LOT of latitude, but every eviction that I attempted was granted easily...why...irresponsibility
Score:
People with legit reasons for not paying their rent - 0
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Come on guys i remember you use to have nice discussions with DWE many times on the stock side of the board.
There was that one time on the ssty stock, i brought this up earlier and you were explaining the fundamentals of stock trading in a round-a-bout way to DWE.
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