Ten Most Expensive Places to Buy Gas Rank City 1 San Francisco 2 San Jose 3 San Diego 4 Sacramento 5 Los Angeles 6 New York City 7 Buffalo 8 Seattle 9 Miami 10 Chicago
What's more, the difference between, say, San Francisco and Houston is more pronounced this time of year since California requires cleaner fuel year round. Texas, like many Southern and Midwestern states, eases up on such requirements during the winter months when consumption slows. California's higher environmental standard increases refining costs, which get passed along to the consumer.
Posted by T e x on :
paid 2.91 leaving Austin yesterday...thinking I wanted to beat prices I would see on the Interstate. Got to the Interstate, and the price was 2.87... sheesh
Posted by IMAKEMONEY on :
SAN DIEGO IS 3.23
Posted by glassman on :
MS is 2.79 Posted by Hannibull on :
$7.51, I always win Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by IMAKEMONEY: SAN DIEGO IS 3.23
gotta tell you...I wouldn't have been driving that far, except the contractor I was subbing from pays the fuel, plus a per diem for food, and a nominal "rental" fee on my truck. The general contractor pays the motel bill...
Sumpin's gonna give, sometime...
Without these charges, I couldn't even go out of town... cheaper for me *not* to take the job.
Yet, if it goes, say, to $4/gal? Somebody will be pressing me to share the cost...
I'll say no...
Mebbe the contractor makes the drive and straps on *his* tool belt... or finds somebody else willing to do what I do, for less... Mebbe the general charges more? or gives concessions to my guy? I dunno...but sumpin's gonna give, somewhere
Posted by wdcisco on :
I always put super in my 'mobile...gets better mpg...
Posted by T e x on :
really? what kinda vehicle?
Posted by Propertymanager on :
2.89 here in my little corner of Ohio.
Here's another thought. If we (the taxpayers) weren't paying the utility bills for the low income tenants, maybe they wouldn't crank up the heat and leave the windows open when it's 12 degrees F outside! With millions of tenants getting government handouts, that might save the planet.
Mike
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: 2.89 here in my little corner of Ohio.
Here's another thought. If we (the taxpayers) weren't paying the utility bills for the low income tenants, maybe they wouldn't crank up the heat and leave the windows open when it's 12 degrees F outside! With millions of tenants getting government handouts, that might save the planet.
Mike
nothing compared to the handouts going to the Bush Pioneers Club Posted by wdcisco on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: really? what kinda vehicle?
All 3... 1994 chyrsler concorde 1985 mercedes 500sel 2000 dodge caravan
Posted by glassman on :
you drive in the mountains wdcisco?
that would make the difference....
Posted by wdcisco on :
Oregon Coast glassman...HWY HWY AND MORE...HWY!
Plus with super it gives your car more power..so you don't have to press the gas pedal as hard to get the same power from regular gasoline...
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: 2.89 here in my little corner of Ohio.
Here's another thought. If we (the taxpayers) weren't paying the utility bills for the low income tenants, maybe they wouldn't crank up the heat and leave the windows open when it's 12 degrees F outside! With millions of tenants getting government handouts, that might save the planet.
Mike
That wouldn't work up here PM but I do take your point. Applies to all though the gov. isn't involved elsewhere.
Fuel costs are also inflated by investors on the commodities market as well. Some analysts say by as much as 25%! What should we take away from them to bring that down and cut the costs for the American taxpayer? Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by wdcisco:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: really? what kinda vehicle?
"special" engines? or stock?
Posted by Propertymanager on :
The government should NOT take anything from anyone beyond taxes to pay for essential services (not entitlements). In addition, the government should NOT be giving anything away to able-bodied and able-minded people who are simply too lazy to work.
Mike
Posted by T e x on :
the government should NOT be giving anything away to able-bodied and able-minded people who are simply too lazy to work.
ALERT THE MEDIA!
Message-board poster states the painfully obvious Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: The government should NOT take anything from anyone beyond taxes to pay for essential services (not entitlements). In addition, the government should NOT be giving anything away to able-bodied and able-minded people who are simply too lazy to work.
Mike
lol do yo know how many lives have been saved because of the NASA program's contribution science in general?
you wanna go back to selling bone beads and seashells strung on reindeer gut again? sheesh...
Posted by wdcisco on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by wdcisco:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: really? what kinda vehicle?
Mercedes mines black...This is what it looks like...
without mods, doubt your cost/benefit ratio is working out re: always buying top grade...
Obviously, if it's working for you, and you're happy? more power to you, cisco
nice car, btw... straight body, for sure
Posted by wdcisco on :
Its not an actual picture of it...but thats what it looks like...
WHAT TREE?! LOL.
Posted by glassman on :
i guess i got the cheapest gas so far:
sorry, blazing saddles is on tonight.... Posted by T e x on :
boy, howdy...
Alex Karras knocks some gas outta that horse!
Posted by glassman on :
this is one of the few gag movies i like...
somebody go back and get a chitlaod of dimes... priceless LOL...
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: The government should NOT take anything from anyone beyond taxes to pay for essential services (not entitlements). In addition, the government should NOT be giving anything away to able-bodied and able-minded people who are simply too lazy to work.
Mike
Transportation is not a right, it is a privilege. Why does a good chunk of my tax money go to roads?
And who is the judge of able-minded?
Ah...I'm just playing with ya PM. You wanna be a classist that's alright by me.
Here's a riddle for ya...how many CEO's does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
To be fair...I am sure you are correct that there are holes in the section 8 program. It's government spending after all. But as far as I can tell section 8 housing has a current budget of 14.4 Billion out of a total 2.5 trillion annual US budget.
That's approximately .6% of our annual budget. Somehow I think there are bigger fish to fry. Especially if the main argument for cutting the program consists of "poor people are lazy."
BF
Posted by glassman on :
it's just his pet peeve. he hates his job and he's taking out on uS Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Those are nice cars Wdcisco. I had to give you a little bit of a hard time about the branch.
Maybe i had to give you a little bit of a hard time because my 2003 chrysler blew a trans three days ago. I was told the engine and trans were built at the Mercedes factory i am not sure it true i have never checked.
This car only has 80,000 miles on it. I love the car or as least i did before this.
I just got off the freeway and it shifted through 3 gears and that's is far as it went, it's an automatic 4 speed. I got home and let it cool down then decided to re-check it when we went to dinner to see if it might go back to normal. It was fine till we came back then it downshifted into second this time and would not shift up after that. I took it to a transmission shop the next day and it was fine. But when they went out and tested it the same thing happened, the hydraulics are out.
They say these transmissions have a safety device that locks them out in lower gears to protect the trans from completely blowing when there going bad. I am not sure i like this device being i could have been going 70 mph+ and had this thing drop down into second gear, that would be real exciting. I am sure that would do wonders for the trans and the engine being the engine rpm's would most likely be setting around 7000-8000 rpm's. I don't know if the safety device was working right i sure hope not.
Posted by turbokid on :
everybody always leaves out hawaii.. when i was there in september gas was 3.75 +
Posted by Propertymanager on :
"To be fair...I am sure you are correct that there are holes in the section 8 program. It's government spending after all. But as far as I can tell section 8 housing has a current budget of 14.4 Billion out of a total 2.5 trillion annual US budget."
Section 8 is only a small part of the problem. When Bill Clinton cut back the welfare system, it was all just a big scam. What actually happened is that instead of getting money from Welfare, the people who are too lazy to work now get their money from SSDI, community action, job and family services, etc. The government just shifted the money around to make it look better for the public. Please note that I am NOT blaming this on Bill Clinton alone, George Bush and congress are equally to blame.
Able-bodied and able-minded people should work - not live free thanks to the taxpayers.
Mike
Posted by bdgee on :
Maybe there are those who think that a "property manager" is a scam way to get paid by someone too lazy to do their own busy work and willing to pay someone else to do what really isn't essential, even if they are paying someone too damned lazy to get off their calloused ass and do real and honorable man's work.
"Real men don't eat quiche" and their callouses, unless they are cowboys, are on their hands, after all.
.............lol.................
Posted by glassman on :
when i was a kid? my Dads second job was landlord..
we had 5 or six houses at any give time besides the one we lived in...
and we had some really bad tennants.. doors with doorknobs on the outside to lock the kids in their rooms etc. sad stuff... once we got a good tennant? we did whatever was needed to keep 'em... including low rent and options to buy... much safer way to keep steady income..
the smallest house 1800 ft2
we spent alot of time (like every minute when he wasn't at work for his "real job" which was white collar) on maintenance. i liked working w/him.. learned carpentry, plumbing, basic wiring, brick and block laying.... window glazing the list goes on and on...
to this day i'm happiest working with my hands, and the more difficult the task? the more rewarding it is...
Posted by bdgee on :
Yep...
And working with your hands with dad and being taught by dad (in my case most, but not all, of that was with grandaddy....mama taught me real estate sales and property managing, because she ran the company, while dad had other demanding responsibilities), then later on knowing it would please him that I could do it well, makes that work so much more special and rewarding.
I have always had more than just one job and being able to "take off" from the one kind and submerge myself for a time in a different sort of work has been a great benefit.
You learn a lot about people when you are in a crew cutting stove wood by the cord and the others you are working with keep describing those who do your "other" job as lazy leaches of society taking money for growing blisters on their butts. Then back at the office later, the guy from down the hall stops in to voice his disgust with the worthless lazy bast-ards that were too lazy to stay in school an learn how to hold a job in which they can make an honest living and be a productive part of society ("the damned ceder choppers ought to all be run out of the country", he'd say).
And, ya know, they all believe what they say and that it is the secret that would save the world.
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Propertymanager,
I do not think you have convinced yourself yet that what you do is right. Your story is samo samo definately not a new one. You use a broader and broader reason to justify your actions in your posts.
It is not what you do that is wrong, cleaning up blighted areas is good. But from what your post's indicate you do it to try and hurt people and make money off of it at the same time, like there is pleasure in hurting.
It is always interesting when people like you try and convince others that what you do is somehow okay with most others. The KKK tries to do the same thing as other groups similiar to them try and do.
All someone has to do is read a few of your posts to see where you have been going with this from the start.
If you carry the attitude you have into these blighted areas, you definately do not have enough fire power with you and also look backwards as you walk forward.
Again it's not what you do i disagre with, not that you really care. It's the real reason you do it that bothers me. (by what you indicate in your posts) It sure looks like you are doing the same thing a bully does just using money and people that are down to do it to.
I tend to feel you have to be putting us on people cannot be that cruel.
How old are you?
Posted by Propertymanager on :
IwishIhad,
Ridiculous. I am not a big believer in all the psychological mumbo-jumbo. I am very happy with my business. In addition, I'm sick and tired of everyone in this country claiming to be a victim. What I do in my business is absolutely right, ethical, and moral. We do not try to "hurt people", that's just plain ridiculous. On the other hand, I have absolutely no hesitation about kicking deadbeats, druggies, drunks, and criminals to the curb. NONE!
Everyone in America has the right to be free and to make their own choices. Druggies make the choice to take drugs. Drunks make the choice to drink. Deadbeats make the choice to not pay the rent. In almost every case where I've evicted tenants (and there have been a BUNCH of them), the tenant spent their money on something stupid: drugs, alcohol, big screen tv, dog, van, etc and then didn't have the rent money. I have absolutely no sympathy that these people are evicted and it is certainly not cruel. THEY make the choice and suffer the consequences.
That is absolutely consistent with my stand on the LAZY. I firmly believe that a person should have the right not to work. I have no problem with that. However, I do have a BIG PROBLEM with my tax dollars being spent to provide housing; food; utilities; or medical care for able-bodied and able-minded people that are too lazy to work (and there are millions of them in the United States). I see them EVERY DAY!
I realize that many socialists disagree with this position. They are all for taking from those that work and giving to the lazy. That is not me!
Now, don't get me wrong, all tenants are certainly not like this. 90% of the tenants are no problem at all. We typically evict 1% per month, almost all for non-payment of rent. In fact, I evicted one this month who was simply too lazy to work enough hours to have rent money.
Someone in another post said that he was poor and rarely worked 40 hours per week (DUH). I'm not advocating that the government make him work hard. I'm saying that he has the right to be lazy and shouldn't get government handouts if he's not willing to work full time.
If you don't pay your car payment, they come and get your car. If you don't pay your rent, you are homeless. Simple.
Mike
Posted by Relentless. on :
Karma can get you at the worst time Pm. Heaven forbid you need a break in the future. Compassion for our fellow man and the mistakes we all make from time to time is what will save this world. Hard line thinking and elitist veiwpoints lead to a quickly broken system.
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
I think you do believe in psychogical mumbo- jumbo that's why you are packing a weapon, you sure are fearing something. "I am certainly not afraid of deadbeats and losers".
Your ideas of choices for people and problems in the system are made so simple by you. But then again you are in a different position to make them simple.
I am sure you have worked hard to get where you are, i am not trying in any way downplay that.
But there are many people that have worked very hard that end up in that down and out situation also.
I believe our system does not do enough for all these down and out people which is increasing day by day.
You have clasified a certain type of person and put them into your nutshell through out your posts. We all know that there are a small percentage that cheat the system. But there are a lot more that get cheated by the system.
You go into programs that are set up to aid different groups in need. These programs are good yet are not adequate for the growing needs of our failing economy.
Some of your quotes are interesting here are a couple:
"There is no dignity to homlessness or being a drug addict. Many of these people are mentally ill and should be institutionalized for their own good. Those that are drunks, drug addicts, and lazy bums need to hit bottom so that they have a motive to change".
"There's no doubt that some of these drugs are terrible and difficult to kick. I had a tenant who was a Vietnam veteran and a crack addict. I tried everything to help him, including driving him myself to the VA hospital."
Funny how you nutshell people.
You did everything to help the Vet? Although i will say you did more than some.
I think you also mentioned something about SS Disability in one of your posts maybe you can refresh me on that.
There sure is a big differance to me between not having a car and not having a home. Might be simple to you as a landloard, but it should not be that simple for the homeless.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: Karma can get you at the worst time Pm. Heaven forbid you need a break in the future. Compassion for our fellow man and the mistakes we all make from time to time is what will save this world. Hard line thinking and elitist veiwpoints lead to a quickly broken system.
so true. i started and built a very lucrative repo biz in the Wash DC area. i tried to be fair, but i freely admit i got a huge kick out of the work itself..
Karma eventually did catch up with me. but i deal with it. no whining here. and i wouldn't/won't trade the thrills i had for a do-over.
never go faster than your guardian angel can fly Posted by bdgee on :
Let's get a couple of things straight.
Once you have paid your taxes (or haven't and still owe them) it is not your money and you have no option, as to its use, other than your vote at the poll ... no right to expect to determine what is done or not done with it. I'm sick and tired of that line of bu-- sh-- with you acting like someone is cheating you out of something that you own and claiming a right to insult and punish someone for doing so. You are just acting like the self possessed bully and nin-com-poop head you are (emphasis on the poop part).
Not all of us that fit into the class of "all those that find your rhetoric and nastiness distasteful" are socialist. What you prove by the absurd and always included hatefulness and bigotry that you use when you are misusing and flailing that word about to justify things you want to be, is that you have never thought deep enough to not understand "socialism" is not defined as disagreeing with you.
Neither is "socialism defined as, "taking from those that work and giving to the lazy". No doubt, what you really find unsuitable about what you are incorrectly calling socialism is that something is not give to you, but to others instead.
"If you don't pay your car payment, they come and get your car. If you don't pay your rent, you are homeless (assuming someone boot your butt out)."
Yeah, true, maybe, but
it doesn't make you a deadbeat,
it doesn't make you a lazy,
It doesn't make you a socialist,
it doesn't make you a wacko,
it doesn't make you a liberal,
_ _ _ and so, on and on and _ _ _
and it sure as the dickens doesn't make you unfit to be a person or a citizen or unworthy of respect, and a perfectly deserving target for the hate and nastiness of someone without the common courtesy not to shame us all by insinuations that we should also think and speak of them by constantly railing at them with insulting and degrading language.
Posted by glassman on :
you are Arlo Guthrie... i genuflect
Posted by IMAKEMONEY on :
R.D. HOW YOU BEEN? LONG TIME. AND WHY DID THIS GET OFF THE GAS TOPIC,LOL
Posted by glassman on :
my fault, i brought up the beans Posted by bdgee on :
Regular at the Race Track station today was $2.759.
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Now that's my kind of station(Race Track) and the price to. It's $3.15 a gallon here down $.10 from last week.
Posted by turbokid on :
speakin of race tracks.. i paid 7+/gal. for race gas this season.. maybe i should build my own still and switch to ethanol. Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
TurboKid, My type of race track has those things that eat hay, they do give out gas but its free. Posted by turbokid on :
betting man are ya..
i bet my gas smells better... even if it is more expensive.
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
I don't think i would put that still fuel into my car seems like there is a better place to put it.
Just remember mine have more Horsepower.
Posted by turbokid on :
quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: I don't think i would put that still fuel into my car seems like there is a better place to put it.
1 gallon for me, 1 for the car, seems only fair.
only problem is, i think the car could travel alot further on 1 gallon than i could.. Posted by Propertymanager on :
"If you don't pay your car payment, they come and get your car. If you don't pay your rent, you are homeless (assuming someone boot your butt out).
Yeah, true, maybe, but
it doesn't make you a deadbeat,
it doesn't make you a lazy,"
Here is the definition of deadbeat from the dictionary:
deadbeat: a person who avoids paying debts.
So, YES that makes them a deadbeat. In addition, if they are too lazy to work enough hours to pay the rent, then yes they are lazy.
All this political correctness promoted by the left is out of control. As far as I'm concerned when a deadbeat doesn't pay the rent that's the same as having someone robbing you on the street and they should be in jail, not given a handout from the taxpayer.
Mike
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: "If you don't pay your car payment, they come and get your car. If you don't pay your rent, you are homeless (assuming someone boot your butt out).
Yeah, true, maybe, but
it doesn't make you a deadbeat,
it doesn't make you a lazy,"
Here is the definition of deadbeat from the dictionary:
deadbeat: a person who avoids paying debts.
So, YES that makes them a deadbeat. In addition, if they are too lazy to work enough hours to pay the rent, then yes they are lazy.
All this political correctness promoted by the left is out of control. As far as I'm concerned when a deadbeat doesn't pay the rent that's the same as having someone robbing you on the street and they should be in jail, not given a handout from the taxpayer.
Mike
Prop man, here's why i just don't care about "deadbeats" as you call them...
they're small potatoes in the big deep fryer of life....
read these filings:
There are currently 525,035,229 shares of our common stock validly issued and outstanding. As described in Part II, Item 1. “Legal Proceedings,” we were initially aware of approximately 243,842,000 additional shares of our common stock that we believe were wrongfully issued. We have also identified 306,207,408 shares of common stock that are currently held in brokerage accounts, which shares may be in addition to the shares noted above. Based on the foregoing, we estimate that a total of 1,075,084,637 shares are outstanding, whether validly issued or invalidly issued, comprised of 525,035,229 validly issued shares, 243,842,000 invalidly shares identified previously by us, and 306,207,408 additional invalidly issued shares held by brokerage firms on behalf of various beneficial owners. If our continued investigations reveal additional shares or reveal that the number of such shares is less than described above, we will report such conclusions by filing an appropriate Current Report on Form 8-K.
After consideration of various means to resolve the issues of the invalidly issued shares, we currently intend to undertake a reverse stock split of our common stock. If undertaken, we intend to base the reverse stock split on a ratio that would reduce the number of our outstanding shares of our common stock, whether validly or invalidly issued, to approximately 5,000,000 shares. Such action, if undertaken and completed, would also result in the reduction of the number of our shareholders. Following the reverse stock split, if undertaken and completed, we intend to recognize all then outstanding shares of our common stock as validly issued and outstanding.
Because we intend to recognize the 1,075,084,637 shares of our common stock described above in the proposed reverse stock split, the 243,842,000 invalidly shares identified previously by us and 306,207,408 additional invalidly issued shares held by brokerage firms on behalf of various beneficial owners are assumed to be outstanding for purposes of this report.
you can read the whole thing here... the "wrongfully issued" shares were apparently printed up on somebodies copier and the signature forged. they were accepted by some broker and deposited into the system and then distributed thru-out..... "the law" has simply decided that the company shall issue more shares from their treasury to replace them...
this is in fact small potatoes in the stock market, but what happened here is transparent because in pennystocks the "crooks" are unsophisticated and "the law" just doesn't bother to follow thru...
the truth is that billions of dollars are skimmed off of working peoples investments every year, and it's simply the status quo...
IMO sloth and greed are about equal....
Posted by Propertymanager on :
Glassman,
How do I bold text in my posts. I'd like to be able to bold quotes to make them more readable.
in time you, if you study hard? you can even do this. Posted by Propertymanager on :
Thank you Glassman Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: "If you don't pay your car payment, they come and get your car. If you don't pay your rent, you are homeless (assuming someone boot your butt out).
Yeah, true, maybe, but
it doesn't make you a deadbeat,
it doesn't make you a lazy,"
Here is the definition of deadbeat from the dictionary:
deadbeat: a person who avoids paying debts.
So, YES that makes them a deadbeat. In addition, if they are too lazy to work enough hours to pay the rent, then yes they are lazy.
All this political correctness promoted by the left is out of control. As far as I'm concerned when a deadbeat doesn't pay the rent that's the same as having someone robbing you on the street and they should be in jail, not given a handout from the taxpayer.
Mike
No, that doesn't make them a deadbeat and certainly doesn't justify some self important loudmouth to run on and on about it and so labeling them.
Just because someone hasn't paid some debt (or some inappropriate dun that some one else has labeled a debt) isn't what makes a deadbeat, even by your limited definition of "deadbeat".
The operative term in what you cite: "deadbeat: a person who avoids paying debts" is "avoid", conotating intentional....by design....planned. The act of not paying, in itself, does not constitute being a deadbeat.
Moreover, an honest reporting of that so called dictionary's "definition" (it isn't a definition.....dictionaries do not contain definitions, but usages) of :deadbeat" includes a second and equally significant substitute usage of the word as, "deadbeat: a loafer; sponger", which clearly is not a justifiable description of someone who hasn't paid a debt because he cannot.
Absorbing the loss due to lending to someone that Subsequently isn't able to repay a debt is a normal business activity that is supposed to be facored into a proper business plan, even when an agreement was taken on through transfer of ownership from a previous owner. The business (i.e., you, now) made the agreement understanding that it was thereby accepting and agreeing to the ability of the borrower to pay. You bought the business and its losses and obligations and that included each of the individual agreements with individual tenants, including those that were in error. You bought those business decisions! If you failed to do enough work to identify them before you bought, it wasn't a failure by the tenants, it was yours. Contrary to what you are yelling at us, whether or not it was a bad business decision is a question of your worth and competence, not a question of the worthiness of the one you choose to blame. Blaming and insulting others when you failed to manage well is inappropriate.
If you can't understand the difference in failing to pay a debt because it isn't possible and in refusing to pay when it is, you are suffering from stupidity. If you can understand the difference and still assume anyone that doesn't pay can or should be cast into the pool of "deadbeats" or some other intended derogatory classification, you are simply a boorish jerk. In either case, your assumption that only your bent on such considerations are valid and worthy is childish; the further assumption that repeatedly harping on it publicly, with inappropriate insulting hateful language is acceptable and the public is obligated to listening and agreeing is crude, rude, and uncouth.
Take your tax write off quietly and act like you run a responsible business.
Act like a man.
Better yet, try acting like a gentleman.
Posted by Lockman on :
3.19 ct
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Turbokid, What kind of car do you run?
Posted by Propertymanager on :
bdgee,
As usual, you don't know what you're talking about. You are simply an apologist for deadbeats and the lazy, as is much of the wacko left. Your only response to any discussion is PERSONAL ATTACKS, which makes you look like a 3rd grade bully. If your argument made sense, you could discuss things like an adult instead of personally attacking everyone that doesn't agree with you.
Absorbing the loss due to lending to someone that Subsequently isn't able to repay a debt is a normal business activity that is supposed to be facored into a proper business plan
You are correct that losses due to deadbeat tenants are part of the operating expenses for a rental property business. However, like all other businesses, losses are only accepted after all attempts to collect the debt are exhausted.
If you can't understand the difference in failing to pay a debt because it isn't possible and in refusing to pay when it is, you are suffering from stupidity. If you can understand the difference and still assume anyone that doesn't pay can or should be cast into the pool of "deadbeats" or some other intended derogatory classification, you are simply a boorish jerk.
I fully understand the difference between someone who can't pay and someone who simply refuses to pay, although the end result in my business is exactly the same - eviction. Moreover, in every case in the dozens of evictions I have done, the reason that the tenant couldn't pay is that they made a bad choice such as spending the rent money on drugs, alcohol, a pit bull, or a big screen tv; they were arrested for this or that; or they quit their job for various reasons (often because they are LAZY). Although I am absolutely certain that some people have problems beyond their control, such as a medical problem, that is only a rare reason for tenants being evicted.
Mike
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: bdgee,
As usual, you don't know what you're talking about. You are simply an apologist for deadbeats and the lazy, as is much of the wacko left. Your only response to any discussion is PERSONAL ATTACKS, which makes you look like a 3rd grade bully. If your argument made sense, you could discuss things like an adult instead of personally attacking everyone that doesn't agree with you.
Absorbing the loss due to lending to someone that Subsequently isn't able to repay a debt is a normal business activity that is supposed to be facored into a proper business plan
You are correct that losses due to deadbeat tenants are part of the operating expenses for a rental property business. However, like all other businesses, losses are only accepted after all attempts to collect the debt are exhausted.
If you can't understand the difference in failing to pay a debt because it isn't possible and in refusing to pay when it is, you are suffering from stupidity. If you can understand the difference and still assume anyone that doesn't pay can or should be cast into the pool of "deadbeats" or some other intended derogatory classification, you are simply a boorish jerk.
I fully understand the difference between someone who can't pay and someone who simply refuses to pay, although the end result in my business is exactly the same - eviction. Moreover, in every case in the dozens of evictions I have done, the reason that the tenant couldn't pay is that they made a bad choice such as spending the rent money on drugs, alcohol, a pit bull, or a big screen tv; they were arrested for this or that; or they quit their job for various reasons (often because they are LAZY). Although I am absolutely certain that some people have problems beyond their control, such as a medical problem, that is only a rare reason for tenants being evicted.
Mike
Yeah, I do know what I'm talking about. Your problem, if it is the case that you are bright enough to understand what you are doing and that you aren't trapped in some psychological wonderland that doesn't allow you to see your actions as they are (that remains a possibility, of course) seems to be that you haven't the ability to make any kind of statement without using some intentional slander and insult. (It may be sort of like a heavy accent that you don't hear yourself and therefore can't fathom why anyone else might hear it. But it is there.)
Take only your last post. In all it short 4 paragraph you have insulted or slandered people that don't happen to fit your view as to what you want to be, using terms and labels clearly intended to degrade them how many times?
deadbeats lazy wacko left deadbeat tenants LAZY
"in every case in the dozens of evictions I have done, the reason that the tenant couldn't pay is that they made a bad choice, such as spending the rent money on drugs, alcohol, a pit bull, or a big screen tv; they were arrested for this or that; or they quit their job for various reasons (often because they are LAZY)."
"Although I am absolutely certain that some people have problems beyond their control, such as a medical problem, that is only a rare reason for tenants being evicted."
That's a lot of hate and bias packed into 4 little paragraphs..
And I note that the two quotes above are in direct contradiction, in the first you insist that something is true "in every case", then you claim that in some cases, "I am absolutely certain that some people have problems beyond their control", that is, are not one of the "every cases" of the first quote..
Face it. You are so full of hate and bigotry you can't see the vulgarity in your tirades and attacks on people.
Do you spit and fume as you rant against them?
It must be a frightful sight.
My, my, my, my, what anger!
Posted by jordanreed on :
clearly mucho hate...although not pent-up...all i have heard from propman ,in the few short weeks, was a rail against those that arent him or like him...and, always the same broken record.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
And I note that the two quotes above are in direct contradiction, in the first you insist that something is true "in every case", then you claim that in some cases, "I am absolutely certain that some people have problems beyond their control", that is, are not one of the "every cases" of the first quote..
Once again, when the truth is not on your side, you try to distort things (a common theme among those on the wacko left).
If you would read carefully, you would see that there is absolutely no contradiction in what I wrote. In every case of the evictions I have done the tenant made a bad choice. I'm sure the some people have problems beyond there control, but I haven't experienced that and haven't evicted anyone that has such a problem. Absolutely consistent.
Furthermore, as is clear to see, I have no hatred or bigotry, just my opinion. You on the left, on the other hand, choose to personally attack anyone that has an opinion that is different than yours (like a 3rd grade bully).
The left hates George Bush; hates Rush; hates Fox News - the list goes on and on. Again, when you aren't right, the only thing you can do is twist the truth and act like a bully - and you're very good at that.
Why is it that you feel the need to stick up for deadbeats?
Mike
Posted by bdgee on :
Are you really that ignorant?
Ignorant or not, you show all the visages of a devout bigot.
Though I very strongly disapprove of the acts of dubya, Fat Rush the Doper, and Fox News, I don't grant them the kind of emotional attachment or involvement that would amount to hate. I don't like, love, dislike or hate them. In other words, I carry no personal affiliation or animosity toward them. They may be fine folk. The atrocities they foster on the United States and it's people are not fine. They are inexcusable. I hate those.
You seem unable to see anyone or anything dispassionately, eagerly expressing your loves and hates as if they made the world go around. (They don't.) Very few of them are pleasant things to witness. Most are things that that shouldn't be uttered....(you know, according to the old saying, if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all). They shame everyone that hears them.
You really hate so vigorously it must destroy any hope of good digestion. Did you know that there is scientific data showing that a high protein diet settles the tummy?
Why is it that you feel the need to degrade others that cannot defend themselves?
Posted by Sunnyside on :
Hey bdgee, I'd like to think that you're just being contrary for the fun of it. Do you actually believe that there are people who aren't just plain lazy? That there are people who just don't give a crap about responsiblity? Aw... c'mon now.
If its the labels you don't like. Oh well. That's more psycho-bable bs.
There are people who ARE just plain lazy and exploit the system to get all they can to pursue their drug addictions and other irresponsible pursuits. Yes Bdgee it's true. You can dismiss it, be repelled by it, or choose to ignore it, but it exists. I see it every single day.
Unfortunately, there are plenty of needy people who don't have access to the benefits they should because they're not as crafty or capable as those that abuse the system.
I am actually repelled by those who get SSI, Medicare and Medicaid, and squander it on drugs (for instance) rather than food for their children or housing. They use their Medicare/ Medicaid benefits to live in hospitals awaiting their next payment. Or get apts but don't use their checks for the rent? Do you think these people don't exist?
You too Jordan. What world do you guys live in anyway?
Posted by Propertymanager on :
UH-OH!
Posted by Lockman on :
Oh boy this is gonna get interesting now! lol
Posted by turbokid on :
having dabbled in the rental game i can attest to the poor choices made by some. my first tenants had 9, count em 9 adults living there. only 1 had a job. they did manage to squeak by for a year, then gave up the security deposit and bounced. the next folks, had alot of parties, drank alot of beer spent weekends at casinos and hardly ever watered the lawn because the water was to expensive.
i found out quick that if you give an inch they take a mile. if they found you to be soft on payment dates, the next payment was even later until you lay down the law. its unfortunate but it happens, and feeling sorry for folks who make poor decisions isnt something landlords are in the business of doing. i donate to homeless charities, but feeling sorry for parents who feed thier kids ramen noodles because they had to have the newest flatscreen isnt something i feel bad about (except for the innocent kids) but im in no position to dictate some childs upbringing.
Posted by T e x on :
lol, you don't know the half of it
Sunny,
As you know, I can't follow all the OT stuff, but from what I've seen, the argument is not that deadbeats and fools exist. However, the perception seems to be that this cat believes in some sort of Calvinism in which anybody/everybody that's not *totally* paid up, driving a nice car, banking savings, etc etc is a drain on society and should be put out of her/his misery...
Yet, he's concerned that Michael Vick can't throw a football for awhile, simply cuz he tortured some stoopid dogs that couldn't fight very good, anyway...
Posted by turbokid on :
quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: Turbokid, What kind of car do you run?
its an eagle summit with the motor from a eagle talon swapped in. 300+hp and weighs 2200 lbs.
that puts the power/weight ratio better than that of a viper oh and it often gets mistaken for a geo metro.. i've embarrased many toughguys in more expensive rides.
probably not what you were expecting eh?
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by turbokid: having dabbled in the rental game i can attest to the poor choices made by some. my first tenants had 9, count em 9 adults living there. only 1 had a job. they did manage to squeak by for a year, then gave up the security deposit and bounced. the next folks, had alot of parties, drank alot of beer spent weekends at casinos and hardly ever watered the lawn because the water was to expensive.
i found out quick that if you give an inch they take a mile. if they found you to be soft on payment dates, the next payment was even later until you lay down the law. its unfortunate but it happens, and feeling sorry for folks who make poor decisions isnt something landlords are in the business of doing. i donate to homeless charities, but feeling sorry for parents who feed thier kids ramen noodles because they had to have the newest flatscreen isnt something i feel bad about (except for the innocent kids) but im in no position to dictate some childs upbringing.
Your ride sounds interesting...will check your pix.
As far as renters go? I've had roommates skip out on me, rip me off, and be slow to pay. That being said, it *still* doesn't mean everyone who's going through a jam is a screw-up or deadbeat...
I *think* that's all that is at issue...
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Turbokid, It appears that it must be front wheel drive by the size of the tires on the front.
I guess i did not make my question real clear but i am assuming your drag racing.
My brother in law has done the oval cars for years and Hyro's since he was a kid.
I love the drags but have not been in many many years.
Posted by Sunnyside on :
I think there is a diff between your regular Joe struggling thru a hard time and those that never make the effort.
I *think* that's the issue. Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Sunnyside: I think there is a diff between your regular Joe struggling thru a hard time and those that never make the effort.
I *think* that's the issue.
agreed...
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Your absolutely right Sunnyside, but that's not the real issue Propertymanager is talking about as was indicated by Tex.
Posted by Oddmanout on :
$2.87 here
Posted by turbokid on :
perhaps property manager has become jaded being in that business for a while, kinda like i imagine cops would do.
IWISHIHAD: yeah its front wheel drive for now but i have a rear end from an AWD talon sitting patiently in the gargage, and yes i drag race. (i guess thats what you were getting at, what kind of racing) i never could get into oval racing but it is entertaining to watch when they do figure 8's or figure 8 trains..
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Another group of people that i think of when we talk about down and out people are the ones that work year after year and can never get ahead. That number is growing and growing. At some point they get tired of beating their head agaist the wall and give up. They are techniqualy able to work but feel it does not do any good.
But then we have those other people that make BAD choices and live on the streets. Those drug addicts, lazy, dead beat, unable to make their car payment people. They should be out in the streets--they deserve it. At least that's what i am supposed to believe!
Overview of Homelessness
About one-third of the adult homeless population have served their country in the Armed Services. Current population estimates suggest that about 195,000 veterans (male and female) are homeless on any given night and perhaps twice as many experience homelessness at some point during the course of a year. Many other veterans are considered near homeless or at risk because of their poverty, lack of support from family and friends, and dismal living conditions in cheap hotels or in overcrowded or substandard housing.
Right now, the number of homeless male and female Vietnam era veterans is greater than the number of service persons who died during that war -- and a small number of Desert Storm veterans are also appearing in the homeless population. Atlthough many homeless veterans served in combat in Vietnam and suffer from PTSD, at this time, epidemiologic studies do not suggest that there is a causal connection between military service, service in Vietnam, or exposure to combat and homelessness among veterans. Family background, access to support from family and friends, and various personal characteristics (rather than military service) seem to be the stronger indicators of risk of homelessness.
Almost all homeless veterans are male (about three percent are women), the vast majority are single, and most come from poor, disadvantaged backgrounds. Homeless veterans tend to be older and more educated than homeless non-veterans. But similar to the general population of homeless adult males, about 45% of homeless veterans suffer from mental illness and (with considerable overlap) slightly more than 70% suffer from alcohol or other drug abuse problems. Roughly 56% are African American or Hispanic
Posted by Propertymanager on :
but that's not the real issue Propertymanager is talking about as was indicated by Tex.
That is EXACTLY the issue. These people that are too LAZY to work should not receive subsidies because they are deadbeats, loafers, and sponges! They are a drain on society and we (the taxpayers) are doing them a dis-service by facilitating their laziness with these subsidies! That is the point! There are MILLIONS of people like this. I've personally seen literally hundreds just in my little business. In fact, in my low income rentals when I ask applicants where they work, they often look at me like I'm stupid for asking such a silly question. Work? Who works?
Mike
Posted by glassman on :
prop man, get a new job or quit whining...
you'll be happier...
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Propertymanager are you The Munchkin Man with a new identity? He has not been around for awhile and changes his identity every so often.
You guys remember when he was DWE the Repo person. I sure do. I remember one day when i was posting on SSTY and i thought a tornado had blown through that posting. Tex and Glassman you remember. Posted by glassman on :
i remember DWE, i remember Repoman, but i don't remember you posting a tornado Posted by Propertymanager on :
Sorry, I'm not the Munchkin Man. But if he was part of the vast right wing conspiracy, I'm sure I would have liked him.
Mike
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: Sorry, I'm not the Munchkin Man. But if he was part of the vast right wing conspiracy, I'm sure I would have liked him.
Mike
oh he is, and you'd love him...
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
I take it back DWE was a substitute elementry school teacher in LA. He had indicated he owned a repo business, i think that's where the DWE came from.
I also remember RepoMan he has not been around for a long time.
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Do you ever race at Pomona or Irwindale Speedway?
I use to go to Pomona and run through a lot of years ago when i had my 413 Dodge.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: but that's not the real issue Propertymanager is talking about as was indicated by Tex.
That is EXACTLY the issue. These people that are too LAZY to work should not receive subsidies because they are deadbeats, loafers, and sponges! They are a drain on society and we (the taxpayers) are doing them a dis-service by facilitating their laziness with these subsidies! That is the point! There are MILLIONS of people like this. I've personally seen literally hundreds just in my little business. In fact, in my low income rentals when I ask applicants where they work, they often look at me like I'm stupid for asking such a silly question. Work? Who works?
Mike
lol...dude?
invoke my nick? deal with me, please...
not following you re:
quote:That is EXACTLY the issue.
What *precisely* is the issue?
I doubt any here support the idea of freeloaders. I certainly do not. I work every day of the week, either on a job site somewhere or trading.
Can you possibly calm down and articulate a rational position?
Posted by retiredat49 on :
Not going to get involved in "the argument" between P.M. and beegee...as that would be a complete waste of time...but for the record, my experience with evicting tenants goes like this...
Number of evictions attempted for non payment of rent - 8
Number of evictions granted for non payment of rent - 8
Number of money judgments attempted through courts (average o $1500.00 owed) - 8
Number of money judgments granted through courts - 8
Number of money judgments collected - 0
Number of tenants who made any type of attempt to pay back money they owed, and were ordered to pay through the courts - 0
Number of evictions caused by tenant medical emergency, job layoff, etc. - 0
Number of evictions caused by tenants irresponsibility - 8
Number of evicted tenants with the latest cell phone clipped on their belts - 8
Number of evicted tenants with high speed internet service at time of eviction - 8
Number of evicted tenants with big screen TV's - 8
Number of evicted tenants who left drug paraphernalia, empty liquor bottles, etc. in their apartments - 8
Gas here - $2.85
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: Not going to get involved in "the argument" between P.M. and beegee...as that would be a complete waste of time...but for the record, my experience with evicting tenants goes like this...
Number of evictions attempted for non payment of rent - 8
Number of evictions granted for non payment of rent - 8
Number of money judgments attempted through courts (average o $1500.00 owed) - 8
Number of money judgments granted through courts - 8
Number of money judgments collected - 0
Number of tenants who made any type of attempt to pay back money they owed, and were ordered to pay through the courts - 0
Number of evictions caused by tenant medical emergency, job layoff, etc. - 0
Number of evictions caused by tenants irresponsibility - 8
Number of evicted tenants with the latest cell phone clipped on their belts - 8
Number of evicted tenants with high speed internet service at time of eviction - 8
Number of evicted tenants with big screen TV's - 8
Number of evicted tenants who left drug paraphernalia, empty liquor bottles, etc. in their apartments - 8
Gas here - $2.85
lol, buck...
what are you saying? You like the landlord biz, or not?
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: I take it back DWE was a substitute elementry school teacher in LA. He had indicated he owned a repo business, i think that's where the DWE came from.
I also remember RepoMan he has not been around for a long time.
wasn't DWE serving court papers too?
Posted by retiredat49 on :
Hated it Tex...the "deadbeats" took all the fun...and profit out of it.
Sold them all last year.
Funny thing is that the courts around here DO NOT go easy on landlords, and give tenants a LOT of latitude, but every eviction that I attempted was granted easily...why...irresponsibility
Score:
People with legit reasons for not paying their rent - 0
People that were blatantly irresponsible - 8
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: prop man, get a new job or quit whining...
you'll be happier...
gawd...no kidding.
At least, DWE et al were acerbic...
Posted by Propertymanager on :
Score:
People with legit reasons for not paying their rent - 0
People that were blatantly irresponsible - 8
My record is the same:
People with legit reasons for not paying their rent - 0
Deadbeats evicted for being blatantly irresponsible - dozens
I don't normally sue the tenants after I evict them, because it is nearly impossible to collect. However, I'm suing a real scumbag tomorrow. After he was evicted, he intentionally made a real mess and what really pissed me off was that he abandoned a baby kitten (not allowed on the lease) outside when the overnight temperature was about freezing. The kitten survived until I discovered it the next morning after the eviction and I found it a good home, but I really despise that scumbag and I'm suing him just to make his life miserable. I'm sure all the socialists will think he's a victim and doubtless deserves a handout, but so be it. I think he's a worthless loser that should be living in the gutter!
Mike
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Sunnyside: Hey bdgee, I'd like to think that you're just being contrary for the fun of it. Do you actually believe that there are people who aren't just plain lazy? That there are people who just don't give a crap about responsiblity? Aw... c'mon now.
If its the labels you don't like. Oh well. That's more psycho-bable bs.
There are people who ARE just plain lazy and exploit the system to get all they can to pursue their drug addictions and other irresponsible pursuits. Yes Bdgee it's true. You can dismiss it, be repelled by it, or choose to ignore it, but it exists. I see it every single day.
Unfortunately, there are plenty of needy people who don't have access to the benefits they should because they're not as crafty or capable as those that abuse the system.
I am actually repelled by those who get SSI, Medicare and Medicaid, and squander it on drugs (for instance) rather than food for their children or housing. They use their Medicare/ Medicaid benefits to live in hospitals awaiting their next payment. Or get apts but don't use their checks for the rent? Do you think these people don't exist?
You too Jordan. What world do you guys live in anyway?
Don't be crude with your inappropriate misrepresentations.
I never said such a thing. Of course there are people that are lazy.
What I did say is that there are those that are not rich, well off, privileged, etc. and are also not deadbeats, lazy, wacko, socialist, lefties, dishonest, or any of the other labels and insulting crap that that bigot flails about in his hatred, while they may also be caught in not exactly financial utopia.
I didn't say or imply what you seem to want to believe.
Now what world did you get those gross misrepresentations from?
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: Hated it Tex...the "deadbeats" took all the fun...and profit out of it.
Sold them all last year.
Funny thing is that the courts around here DO NOT go easy on landlords, and give tenants a LOT of latitude, but every eviction that I attempted was granted easily...why...irresponsibility
Score:
People with legit reasons for not paying their rent - 0
People that were blatantly irresponsible - 8
Sounds like you made the right move, bro.
Obviously, that's not a market for everyone.
Trust your bottom line is OK...
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: Score:
People with legit reasons for not paying their rent - 0
People that were blatantly irresponsible - 8
My record is the same:
People with legit reasons for not paying their rent - 0
Deadbeats evicted for being blatantly irresponsible - dozens
I don't normally sue the tenants after I evict them, because it is nearly impossible to collect. However, I'm suing a real scumbag tomorrow. After he was evicted, he intentionally made a real mess and what really pissed me off was that he abandoned a baby kitten (not allowed on the lease) outside when the overnight temperature was about freezing. The kitten survived until I discovered it the next morning after the eviction and I found it a good home, but I really despise that scumbag and I'm suing him just to make his life miserable. I'm sure all the socialists will think he's a victim and doubtless deserves a handout, but so be it. I think he's a worthless loser that should be living in the gutter!
Mike
You seem to be avoiding my questions...
wassup?
Posted by Propertymanager on :
What is your question?
Mike
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: prop man, get a new job or quit whining...
you'll be happier...
gawd...no kidding.
At least, DWE et al were acerbic...
It's hard to imagine DWE favorably, ain't it?
Is it true? Does absence really make the heart grow fonder?
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: What is your question?
Mike
Perhaps you simply don't post well. Understandable. Happens alla time...
What I'm asking is this:
WHAT is your gripe?
I ask because... on the one hand you invoke the basic American principle, which is, WORK, DUDE!
on the other hand, you seem to be in slavery to the idea that anybody who can't put a Mercedes in their driveway is a loser.
Please clarify...
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: prop man, get a new job or quit whining...
you'll be happier...
gawd...no kidding.
At least, DWE et al were acerbic...
It's hard to imagine DWE favorably, ain't it?
Is it true? Does absence really make the heart grow fonder?
NO!
the longer gone, the better, imo...
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: What is your question?
Mike
Perhaps you simply don't post well. Understandable. Happens alla time...
What I'm asking is this:
WHAT is your gripe?
I ask because... on the one hand you invoke the basic American principle, which is, WORK, DUDE!
on the other hand, you seem to be in slavery to the idea that anybody who can't put a Mercedes in their driveway is a loser.
Please clarify...
*bump*
Posted by retiredat49 on :
Bottom line was OK...only because we bought our properties right, spent a lot of our time and money to renovate and update the properties, managed them properly, and sold them before the recent decline in the real estate market here in MI.
What pisses me off is that we have over $12k in money judgments owed to us, and we only owned the properties for a little over 3 years...That erases ALL of our profit from the actual rental income...not to mention the costs to clean the mess and repair the damage they leave behind.
The sad thing is...the deadbeats were the straw that broke the camels back, and the reason we sold all of our residential rental properties...
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: Hated it Tex...the "deadbeats" took all the fun...and profit out of it.
Sold them all last year.
Funny thing is that the courts around here DO NOT go easy on landlords, and give tenants a LOT of latitude, but every eviction that I attempted was granted easily...why...irresponsibility
Score:
People with legit reasons for not paying their rent - 0
People that were blatantly irresponsible - 8
Sounds like you made the right move, bro.
Obviously, that's not a market for everyone.
Trust your bottom line is OK...
Posted by retiredat49 on :
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: Bottom line was OK...only because we bought our properties right, spent a lot of our time and money to renovate and update the properties, managed them properly, and sold them before the recent decline in the real estate market here in MI.
What pisses me off is that we have over $12k in money judgments owed to us, and we only owned the properties for a little over 3 years...That erases ALL of our profit from the actual rental income...not to mention the costs to clean the mess and repair the damage they leave behind.
The sad thing is...the deadbeats were the straw that broke the camels back, and the reason we sold all of our residential rental properties...
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: Hated it Tex...the "deadbeats" took all the fun...and profit out of it.
Sold them all last year.
Funny thing is that the courts around here DO NOT go easy on landlords, and give tenants a LOT of latitude, but every eviction that I attempted was granted easily...why...irresponsibility
Score:
People with legit reasons for not paying their rent - 0
People that were blatantly irresponsible - 8
Sounds like you made the right move, bro.
Obviously, that's not a market for everyone.
Trust your bottom line is OK...
as pitched, numbers not piling up for me...
lol, remember, I ain't the quickest with math.
Are you saying $12k divided by 3 years?
Or that result, plus?
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Come on guys i remember you use to have nice discussions with DWE many times on the stock side of the board.
There was that one time on the ssty stock, i brought this up earlier and you were explaining the fundamentals of stock trading in a round-a-bout way to DWE. Posted by retiredat49 on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: Bottom line was OK...only because we bought our properties right, spent a lot of our time and money to renovate and update the properties, managed them properly, and sold them before the recent decline in the real estate market here in MI.
What pisses me off is that we have over $12k in money judgments owed to us, and we only owned the properties for a little over 3 years...That erases ALL of our profit from the actual rental income...not to mention the costs to clean the mess and repair the damage they leave behind.
The sad thing is...the deadbeats were the straw that broke the camels back, and the reason we sold all of our residential rental properties...
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: Hated it Tex...the "deadbeats" took all the fun...and profit out of it.
Sold them all last year.
Funny thing is that the courts around here DO NOT go easy on landlords, and give tenants a LOT of latitude, but every eviction that I attempted was granted easily...why...irresponsibility
Score:
People with legit reasons for not paying their rent - 0
People that were blatantly irresponsible - 8
Sounds like you made the right move, bro.
Obviously, that's not a market for everyone.
Trust your bottom line is OK...
as pitched, numbers not piling up for me...
lol, remember, I ain't the quickest with math.
Are you saying $12k divided by 3 years?
Or that result, plus?
Shoulda went like this...
Total gross yearly rental income - Total yearly expenses (mortgage, taxes, insurance, etc.) = Total Gross Profit
$27,000 - $23,000.00 = $4,000.00
The actual numbers went like this...
Total actual yearly rent collected - Total yearly expenses = Total gross profit
$23,000.00 - $23,000.00 = $0.00
We got screwed out of the 4k profit every year for 3+ years by tenants not paying rent, court costs, etc.
Make Sense?
Posted by retiredat49 on :
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Propertymanager this type of business your in sounds like something you consider your speciality.(Run down buildings) Seems to me that someone that specializes in this should be expecting these type of problems much more than the average landlord.
I would think you allow for these problems as a cost of doing business. By figuring the extra costs of non paying tendants, which i am sure your not absorbing, then why the gripe. Maybe you charge to much for rent in the areas you pick these cheap properties up in.
If you know what you are buying like you claim you do, then you are getting a hugh break in what you buy, or maybe even stealing it in the sense of the word. So really these tenants you want out so bad you should be thanking for allowing you to buy dirt cheap properties. You are using these peoples misfortune to make profit and buy cheap yet whinning all the way to the bank.
But then again maybe you expected to make more from these people and underestimated the game your in and maybe thats the real problem.
Posted by glassman on :
You are using these peoples misfortune to make profit and buy cheap yet whinning all the way to the bank.
that's why i said find a new job...
there's always been a segment of the human population that fits that description, always wil be. the "druggies" are prey to the dealers who are doing much better than you are, (i guarantee).
heck th e drug dealer used to have to spend 30 or 40% to to make their cash legit. who knows? maybe the money you are borrowing at the bank to buy the properties came from them...
Posted by T e x on :
lol...
go to bed
Posted by glassman on :
heck i just got up... time to light a fire while it's still only 60 degrees out
i hear it's bad north of you and into OK.
i drove up to WY thru OK early this year and the ice damage in OK was still obvious...
i think they got it worse this weekend and yesterday..
meantime we are hitting 80 here. 90 in the cool part of the studio...
Posted by Propertymanager on :
I ask because... on the one hand you invoke the basic American principle, which is, WORK, DUDE!
on the other hand, you seem to be in slavery to the idea that anybody who can't put a Mercedes in their driveway is a loser.
That's ironic that you think that because I didn't post anything like that. Maybe you were reading bdgee's poorly written 3rd grade rants.
I admire and have respect for ANYONE that works hard to pays their bills. I did NOT say anything about rich people or people with a Mercedes. Some of the other posters posted pictures of their Mercedes, so who's fixated on their car or their possessions? Not me. I respect all my tenants who pay their bills and who are honest, law abiding citizens.
I do NOT respect deadbeats, drug addicts, drunks, or other riff-raff that is too lazy to work and pay their bills. My problem with them is that they are stealing from the people they stiff and that they are getting my tax dollars when they do not deserve them. People that are able-bodied and able-minded should be free to choose not to work and I certainly shouldn't be expected to pay their housing; their food; or their medical care.
Mike
Posted by glassman on :
yet you don't mind paying for the CEO of a Corp having a 100 million dollar yacht after he loses money for the shareholdrs and lays off 30% of his "working stiffs" ?
Posted by Propertymanager on :
I would think you allow for these problems as a cost of doing business. By figuring the extra costs of non paying tendants, which i am sure your not absorbing, then why the gripe.
That is right, all these things are factored in the operating expenses. In fact, throughout the United States, operating expenses run 45% to 50% of gross rents. Obviously, I still make money even with the deadbeats, however that is NOT the issue. The gripe is that these deadbeats are not only stealing from me but they are stealing from the American public by taking tax dollars they do not deserve. It's really very simple.
If you know what you are buying like you claim you do, then you are getting a hugh break in what you buy, or maybe even stealing it in the sense of the word. So really these tenants you want out so bad you should be thanking for allowing you to buy dirt cheap properties. You are using these peoples misfortune to make profit and buy cheap yet whinning all the way to the bank.
I am not USING these deadbeats at all. In addition, they do not have "misfortune". They have made a choice to be a deadbeat; a drug addict; a drug dealer; a drunk; or just plain LAZY. That is not a misfortune.
Moreover, I don't want ANY tenants out. In a perfect world, every tenant would pay their bills and stay out of trouble. That is how I make the most money - by keeping the tenants happy and all units full. It is the tenant's choice to be evicted. They understand the lease. They understand that they MUST pay the rent. When they choose to spend their rent money elsewhere, they guarantee that they will be evicted.
Mike
Posted by bdgee on :
Change the target of his ranting and insults and hate from tenants and the poor to jews or blacks or christians or whatever and every one of his assaults will dovetail neatly into the hateful diatribes of Nazis or the KKK or extremist moslems or whatever other bunch that insist it knows everything (usually via word from God directly) about whatever group they want to blame for the ills of their view of reality.
And, like this one, anyone who might differ with their BS and slurs or the publication of them is loudly denounced by them and becomes another target of hate and ridicule.
So, again like this one, they divide, in their minds and shallow ethic, all of society into two groups......those that accept and champion their degrading attacks and those that they are free to slander and insult.
Eventually, they would, through ever present din of their rhetoric, with any opposing views shouted into silence, have the very basic connotations and denotations of right and justice defined by the bias and hate they preach.
Personally, I don't excuse the general German population and place total blame on the Nazis in the Germany of the 1920s and 1930s or even into the 1940s. Had that general German population not chosen silence in response to the slanders and hatred in the early days of Hitler's rise to power, he may never have reached real power, the German Republic may have stood in place, and there may never have been a WWII, millions dying on battle fields, millions of civilians dead in massive aerial bombings, millions dying in gas chambers because they were labeled with being lazy and deadbeats and socialist and just not of THE kind of which the Party approved.
We can't undo what history provided us and try it another way back then in Germany, of course, but we need to note that, like then, in one after another situation throughout history, whenever a society allows itself to become passive to a bigoted point of view, really bad and harmful and unethical things that any sane human being born with natural human emotions finds repugnant seem to result.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
Change the target of his ranting and insults and hate from tenants and the poor
Once again, since you are wrong and don't have anything productive to say, you simply twist the words of anyone that thinks differently than you.
I certainly don't hate tenants - they are my customers and they pay my bills. I also don't hate the poor - again, they are my customers and pay my bills. In fact, I don't hate anyone, although you would like to twist things that way. This is not an issue of wealth or "having a Mercedes in the driveway" as another poster said. This is an issue of able-bodied and able-minded people working instead of being lazy and receiving a government handout (which is what the left loves). The left has virtually enslaved the lazy with handouts so that they will vote for the left. And look what Jesse Jackson and the libs have done to the African American population. If that isn't a crime, I don't know what is.
A truly compassionate way to treat these people would be to cut off their handouts and give them a hand-up instead. The best thing that could possibly happen to the poor is to get a job that would not only allow them to support their family but also give them back their dignity.
Mike
Posted by jordanreed on :
why dont you give them a job?.. I do
Posted by jordanreed on :
have to go to work now..have fun with this tired arguement,boys and girls...
Posted by Propertymanager on :
why dont you give them a job?.. I do
You can't give someone a job that doesn't want a job because they are receiving government handouts. In addition, I would certainly not hire someone who had a history of being a deadbeat. I work hard and like to work with others that work hard. I don't have money to pay slackers.
Mike
Posted by bdgee on :
No, you certainly can't, if you are spending all your time and effort insulting and demeaning them.
Why on Earth would anyone with an ounce of self respect or pride be willing to work for or with anyone that displays the constant and open hate you do for them?
Get real!
Posted by Propertymanager on :
I certainly don't hate anyone, although in the absense of having anything significant to say, you certainly would like to twist things that way. However, I certainly do not have ANY respect for anyone that is a lazy deadbeat. I know the socialists think everyone deserves respect, but I believe that respect is earned, not bestowed when you are born. In addition, I have never seen a deadbeat with any pride. What do they have to be proud of? Being lazy?
Work and success are what builds pride - not sitting at home watching the Price is Right on your bigscreen TV while your kids go hungry.
Mike
Posted by bdgee on :
And on, and on, and on, * * *
Posted by jordanreed on :
"the price is right" is on?...gotta go watch it while my kid goes hungry!....
who does that? and ,if they do,?...then ,of course, they should go get a job .or if they have one then feed your dam kid! no one is saying otherwise ,if you would listen! ..
Posted by glassman on :
listen? he's too busy trying to get us to tell him he's OK to listen Posted by bdgee on :
And he's super busy "trying to get us to tell him he's OK" over and over.
You are gonna add more confusion!
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Propertymanager you sound like a real fun guy to be around. Hopefully you do not drink.
Is there anything you enjoy or like to do?
Posted by bdgee on :
Oh, now, IWISHIHAD, can't you read what he takes to be his calling and avocation.
Step just out of range of the fire and spittle and you can decipher it from amongst all the venom and roaring and braggartee.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
Propertymanager you sound like a real fun guy to be around. Hopefully you do not drink.
Is there anything you enjoy or like to do?
Thank you. I like to snowboard, scuba dive, ride my motorcycle, go camping, go to the shooting range (sorry, I know that makes you leftists cringe), etc.
Mike
Posted by glassman on :
scuba in Ohio? that don't sound healthy Posted by jordanreed on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: scuba in Ohio? that don't sound healthy
now, thats funny!! Posted by jordanreed on :
2.75 here
Posted by bdgee on :
$2.739 at Race track this afternoon.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
We've actually got some pretty good lakes here in Ohio for scuba diving. One has a sunken airliner at about 60 feet that you can swim through.
Mike
Posted by glassman on :
just messin'...
i was thinking about up in the northern part of the state.. what's that litlle lake next Case Western?
Posted by Propertymanager on :
Portage and Gilboa are two of the popular spots to scuba dive in northern Ohio. I don't know where Case Western is located.
Mike
Posted by glassman on :
Lake Erie. is that still dead?
Posted by Propertymanager on :
You'd be dead too if you occassionally caught on fire!
Mike
Posted by glassman on :
it's a shame ain't it? i used to cacth these 30 lb rainbows out of Lake Michigan, i threw 'em back (PCB's) some people ate 'em, but if the US Govt says kids and women of child bearing age shouldn't? i don't either... of course? global warming is completely different, right?
Posted by glassman on :
i mean lake Erie is only the 11th largest lake in the world... even tho it's the smallest of the five great lakes it still holds 116 miles3 of water.... polluting that to death was easy huh?
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