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NO ONE is for defeat...how can you lose something that cant be won?...the world hates us more now than ever...we are creating more terrorists by our inept policies. Dont you get it yet? ...and bdgee isnt the only one who thinks you're a parrot...
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there is NOTHING wrong with saying... this is stupid, i dont know what I'm doing, I cant win, its a losing cause,the majority think I'm an idiot for fighting,I'm a liar,i really have no firm convictions, I'm in way over my head, i wish i wasnt president anymore, I have to poop...
quote:Originally posted by urnso77: The terrorists know which political party they want to win in the next US election. And its not the republican party.
LOL, so you are in contact with the terrorists now?
what a joke...
the terrorists are recruiting off of Bush...
the terrorists do want us to waste as much$$ as they can get us to waste without having to spend too much themselves..
you do realise that the Communist Chinese have funded (loaned US) just about 100% of the money we've spent on this so far right?
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There is a reason the terrorists hate the U.S. so much...America is not hated by oppresive regimes because it is wrong, but because it is right..
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the main reason the Iranians freed the hostages was that Iraq invaded them with our help of course... Carter was involved in that but Reaganites really pushed hard once they got in office too...
OH yeah, the SHAH DIED July 27, 1980 which made the Revolution feel more inclined to negotiate too.. he was out of the picture for good...
the Iranian Revolution was in serious dissarray, and the attack that Carter, Rumsfeld and other Reaganites supported actually HELPED the Iranian revolution coalesce into a national govt...
Rather than turning against the Ayatollah's government as exiles had promised, the people of Iran rallied around their country and mounted far stiffer resistance; an estimated 100,000 volunteers arrived at the front by November.
Reagan also had "operatives" (ollie North et al) that began doing business with the Iranians... LOL...
yep. Reagan scared the pants off 'em...
BTW? we (quietly) supported Iraq's claims to Iranian territory at the start of that war... sound familiar? cough cough kuwait?
furthermore?
Reagan refused to launch counter-attacks AFTER the US French marine barracks in Lebanon was hit by Shiite (read Iran and Iraq) militia... ( was still IN uniform then)
the French did launch counter attacks while Reagans reponse was to withdraw from Lebanon...
so much for your theory that the terrorists are afraid of the GOP....
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"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem." -- Ronald Reagan
"If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under." Ronald Reagan
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i voted for Reagan twice, and voted for bush Sr twice, bush jr once....
but i'm not interested in sugar-coated rat-turds...
if we don't figure out some Diplomatic answers to this problem? the military contractors will end up with all of our hard-earned Cash, and China will be owning all our mortgages...
and i can say that i honestly believe Reagan wouldn't have allowed that...
not a pretty picture is it?
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quote:Originally posted by ruthie: There is a reason the terrorists hate the U.S. so much...America is not hated by oppresive regimes because it is wrong, but because it is right..
ruth,ruth,ruth....america is hated because they think we are wrong.and obnoxious.and bullies. and corrupt. and globe hungry. and wasteful. and not at all god-like. and domineering.and unclean pigs. and...etc.
quote:Originally posted by ruthie: There is a reason the terrorists hate the U.S. so much...America is not hated by oppresive regimes because it is wrong, but because it is right..
Isn't that almost a quote from David Koresh, replacing "U.S." and "America" with Branch Dividians?
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quote:Originally posted by ruthie: There is a reason the terrorists hate the U.S. so much...America is not hated by oppresive regimes because it is wrong, but because it is right..
Partially right.
Oppresive Regimes hate us because we meddle. The people under oppressive regimes hate us because we don't live up to our promises.
Add to that many of our freedoms fly in the face of moral traditional decency for many of these cultures and we make a good target.
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True 49, and sometimes that needs to happen.
But sometimes it seems we are bullying the bully of the middle school when we are in high school 10 miles away. We come in, bully the bully, tell the other smaller kids to stand up and we will help em fight. And when the fight goes down where are we? Back at our high school 10 miles away.
Right now we have a different problem. We bullied the bully dead.
To use a horse analogy...The herd leader croaked. The other higher ups are fighting each other and biting anyone they can to prove their dominance, the lower horses end up taking most of the bites during the chasing cuz they are safe targets that will run instead of fight, and there are strong strange horses in the pasture that don't belong to the herd kicking out at any horse they think are about to bite pissing the whole herd off.
The strange horses want them all to stop fighting so they can re-establish order and stability and get along. The herd wants to get the fight over with so a herd leader will emerge so that they can re-establish order and stability and they can all get along.
Do you get my point?
Democracy is NOT an instinctual form of government. To cut off the head of a dictator and say now make a democracy is really quite insane when you think about it.
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Democracy is NOT an instinctual form of government. To cut off the head of a dictator and say now make a democracy is really quite insane when you think about it.
good point. and even worse? our democracy is just a little over 200 years old... we are trying to change a culture that was older than we are when Christ was born...
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"Democracy is NOT an instinctual form of government. "
Also, I don't think government is instinctual at all. At least not any more instinctive than chipping away at rocks to make a knives and arrow heads or mixing straw and mud to make bricks.
Government is a tool we humans learned to make out of caos in order to simplify and stablize social behavior, which is mostly instinctive. So why should we think democracy, a mere "form" of government, should be any more natural or instinctive than any other form of government, if any were nartural in the first place?
Most democracies (govrnments of, by, and for the people????) fail. Most governments fail, but democracies more frequently than other forms, partially because democracy as a form of government assumes and requires a certain level and sophistication with intellectual reasoning and that isn't instinctive either.
Hoping to show that democracy is superior, we might decide to rank the forms of government as to which are good and which are bad, but just a brief look at democracies like Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy quickly shows that a democracy IS NOT, by and of its being, necessarilly a "good" government or one that is likely to protect the "freedoms" of the people.
Personally, I don't believe the Iraqis are capableofmaintaining a democracy, one reason being that they have already placed into their constitution that says Islamic law will prevail and Islamic law abhors democracy.
Then too there is the fact that the people of that part of the world have a culture tha depends on ruling families.
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I stand by my previous post, and also believe the terrorists are trying to destroy any attempt to assist the people they oppress from the move toward truth, freedom and democracy.
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Bdgee, you said you do not think that the Iraqi are capable of maintaining a democracy. You may be right but I believe that with time and assistance that can change..I do hope so for the sake of the whole Iraqi people...
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To the muslim terrorist and the Arab peoples, what you think of as freedom and democracy is oppression by an ungodly system.
You can't seem to get it through your head that you are insisting that they abdicate their beliefs and culture in order to assume what to them is a foreign and insulting scheme better suited to a life of sin in Hell. To them your certainty that your way is right and their's wrong only makes us and out ways appear arrogant and uncivil........much as you would feel of them if they insisted that you assume their practices and laws.
How dare we demand they respect our culture when we refuse to respect theirs?
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