This is topic Which Presidential candidate do you like so far?(for those that arnt YELLA) in forum Off-Topic Post, Non Stock Talk at Allstocks.com's Bulletin Board.
Giuliani: Is one of my two prospects. Most far-right-wingers do not like him because of his closer to centrists views...which is what I like about him. His heavy handed ways helped NYC enormously as far as crime. But I dont know how it would go over on a world stage.
McCain: Is my other prospect. So long as he doesnt do anything nutty and has to become more flexible on an Iraqi timetable.
Obama: No shot...countires not ready...its a wasted vote IMO. But does serve a valuable purpose by getting the people of america accoustemed to having people of color on the ballot.
Hillary: NO SHOT...she will continue to waffle around every major topic and play to the polls and use whatever accent she has in her arsenal to appease the demographic at which shes speaking. She will also continue to parade Bubba around by the short-n-curlies like a labradoodle as much as possible. I consider her about as honest as Dubya...well if she came out of the closet....maybe not as bad.
Edwards: No shot...plain and simple...the guy just irritates me....GREAT JOB GOP!!
Gore: See "Hillary"
And to all that think im skewed.....I dont know how the DNC came up with this ticket. If H. Dean was in the race he woulda been one of my prospects
Posted by glassman on :
the Dems best person IMO is Biden...
but? IMO he's too honest to win
Rudy is still my pick....
Posted by rimasco on :
Just as I expected.....YELLA!!!!
Posted by andrew on :
bdgee. He is our man!
Posted by NaturalResources on :
I like Bush so much I think I'll vote for him for a third term. Just call me Regis...
Posted by trade04 on :
obama or clinton will do just fine =)
Posted by NaturalResources on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04: obama or clinton will do just fine =)
IMO, Clinton and Obama are gonna end up on the same ticket..... And will probablty win... Lord help us..
Not sure who I like yet. May end up voting for Donald Duck next election.
Posted by rimasco on :
quote:Originally posted by NaturalResources:
quote:Originally posted by trade04: obama or clinton will do just fine =)
IMO, Clinton and Obama are gonna end up on the same ticket..... And will probablty win... Lord help us..
Hillary would never do that, shes not dumb...She would probably lose more voters then she would gain...hate to say it
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Posted by rimasco on :
quote:Originally posted by NaturalResources:
quote:Originally posted by trade04: obama or clinton will do just fine =)
IMO, Clinton and Obama are gonna end up on the same ticket..... And will probablty win... Lord help us..
Not sure who I like yet. May end up voting for Donald Duck next election.
LMAO!!!!! love the new quote Posted by glassman on :
from what i can tell? the GOP wants Obama and Hillary to run against....
or maybe i should say Hillary for prez and Obama for Veep...
some of the GOP commentators i have listened to get downright excited about the prospect...
Biden can beat Rudy if he gets the nomination, simply because he's MORE conservative than Rudy....
Posted by ruthie on :
It is a tough decision. I have not made up my mind yet. Still hoping there is some other choices still to come....
Posted by bdgee on :
What you are asking is about like deciding who will be the National League champs for 2009.
Juuuuust a weeeee bit outside.......
Posted by rimasco on :
perfect anal-ogy!!! ........... Posted by bdgee on :
rim always likes anal thinking.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: What you are asking is about like deciding who will be the National League champs for 2009.
Juuuuust a weeeee bit outside.......
Not really, Milwaukee Brewers hands down. They're the next dynasty team.
Posted by urnso77 on :
I agree with Ruthie. I haven't really seen a candidate that I can get excited about yet. If the election were tomorrow my vote would probably be for Guliani.
Posted by glassman on :
MSNBC is reporting that Obama has just been placed under Secret Service Protection due to specific threats.... why am i not surprised? Posted by thesource on :
I'd guess that its going to be Billary against McCain in the finals with McCain barely edging her out . I think he's the best choice of the given choices and will do his best to put an end to the war in Iraq without just pulling out completely overnight .
Posted by bdgee on :
I don't think McPain could get nominated or win an election for president.
He advocates whatever simple minded thing he can find that is contrary to whoever or whatever is currently in vogue, so as to keep his name in the headlines.
The result is that he is as wishy-washy as any person that ever campaigned for the presidency, today insisting on path A, tomorrow on path non-A and, then, months down the line, declaring both to be un-American and insisting path B is the only hope for freedom.
That's may be ok for a senator, but it won't satisfy voters for president.
Posted by NaturalResources on :
Today a friend of mine mentioned he wanted to vote for US Rep. Ron Paul (R) of Texas for president. Anybody know anything about him?
Posted by bdgee on :
That should get you started.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
im voting for brownback.
as far as hillary or obama....i really dont want a militant liberal woman in charge of the country who would become addicted to frivilous gun legislation and awkward health care.
id rather see obama win over her, and i dont want him to win either.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
None of the Above - That is why I will not vote.
Posted by bdgee on :
It is only those addicted to the RNC talking point that do not bother to think that believe H. Clinton is a liberal.
A no vote is an active and positive vote to retain the status quo.
Posted by jordanreed on :
nader...
Posted by Lockman on :
Bill Richardson D- New Mexico
Posted by bond006 on :
Saw the republican debates never saw such a bigger pile of crisco in my life
I am for Richardson he is the only one that has had a good approach to immagration and I like his Ideas
Posted by Lockman on :
quote:Originally posted by bond006: Saw the republican debates never saw such a bigger pile of crisco in my life
I am for Richardson he is the only one that has had a good approach to immagration and I like his Ideas
He's also not involved with the whole washington DC circus.
Posted by bdgee on :
Those were not debates, last night.
That was a bunch of cheerleaders screaming to not embarrass dubya and the RNC with thought or concern for the safety and welfare of the people.
FULL SPEED AHEAD ONTO THE MAW OF THE ERUPTING VOLCANO!
We can blame any thing that goes wrong on democrates, because we can fool the people (cattle) anytime.
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
I didn't see them.
I can guess what they were saying.
Here is where I am.
I will be interested in hearing what Obama and Thompson (if he runs) have to say.
I will keep an open mind when McCain, Guliani, and Clinton are talking.
All other candidates will need to prove to me that they aren't just tagalongs before I take them seriously. That includes Vice-President wanna be Edwards.
Posted by ruthie on :
Just look at which organizations 'love' or 'hate' any particular candidate, and that tells you worlds of information...
Posted by glassman on :
i have some advice for the GOP candidates:
i'm tired of hearing how much they are for a "stronger nation" and i wanna hear HOW they are gonna do it. last nights performance was pure entertainment:
the implication that some Americans are for a "weaker nation" ain't gonna cut it anymore...
Posted by jordanreed on :
i like when they say the dems are for defeat... give me a break...the new talking point...
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
I like feet
Posted by urnso77 on :
but they are for defeat. When dems are confronted with the truth they claim its a talking point. Blah Blah Blah...
what do I know, I'm just a parrot for the RNC because you know who says so.
Posted by jordanreed on :
NO ONE is for defeat...how can you lose something that cant be won?...the world hates us more now than ever...we are creating more terrorists by our inept policies. Dont you get it yet? ...and bdgee isnt the only one who thinks you're a parrot...
Posted by jordanreed on :
there is NOTHING wrong with saying... this is stupid, i dont know what I'm doing, I cant win, its a losing cause,the majority think I'm an idiot for fighting,I'm a liar,i really have no firm convictions, I'm in way over my head, i wish i wasnt president anymore, I have to poop...
he might even gain a little respect..
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by urnso77: but they are for defeat. When dems are confronted with the truth they claim its a talking point. Blah Blah Blah...
what do I know, I'm just a parrot for the RNC because you know who says so.
seriously URN? you will find few people more combative than i am...
i am also a lifleong republican... (handed out Nixon/Agnew buttons when i was a kid) i was from Agnews state...
i am demanding that MY party get off this notion that cheerleading is enough...
i watched the last GOP convention where Bush was re-nominated? it made me sick.. it reminded me of damn high-school pep rally...
this crap has got to stop..we are in a global war.
not a friggin basketball game.
it's insulting to intelligent people, and if the GOP is going to continue to cater to the lowest common denominators of our society? they will lose...
Posted by urnso77 on :
The terrorists know which political party they want to win in the next US election. And its not the republican party.
Posted by ruthie on :
I guess there is quite a different outlook on which ones are considered to be the lowest common denominators of our society..
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by urnso77: The terrorists know which political party they want to win in the next US election. And its not the republican party.
LOL, so you are in contact with the terrorists now?
what a joke...
the terrorists are recruiting off of Bush...
the terrorists do want us to waste as much$$ as they can get us to waste without having to spend too much themselves..
you do realise that the Communist Chinese have funded (loaned US) just about 100% of the money we've spent on this so far right?
Posted by urnso77 on :
like in 1980 when Reagan came into power and Iran freed the hostages. They knew what was going to happen to them.
my question is who hates bush more?
The terrorists or the libs in this country
I give Bush much credit for doing the right thing no matter how unpopular it is.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by urnso77: like in 1980 when Reagan came into power and Iran freed the hostages. They knew what was going to happen to them.
my question is who hates bush more?
The terrorists or the libs in this country
I give Bush much credit for doing the right thing no matter how unpopular it is.
fictionalised history....
FYI? i left college and enlisted in the USN as a Gunner while we had hostages...
the negotiations to free the hostages were independant of the election.....
Posted by ruthie on :
There is a reason the terrorists hate the U.S. so much...America is not hated by oppresive regimes because it is wrong, but because it is right..
Posted by glassman on :
the main reason the Iranians freed the hostages was that Iraq invaded them with our help of course... Carter was involved in that but Reaganites really pushed hard once they got in office too...
OH yeah, the SHAH DIED July 27, 1980 which made the Revolution feel more inclined to negotiate too.. he was out of the picture for good...
the Iranian Revolution was in serious dissarray, and the attack that Carter, Rumsfeld and other Reaganites supported actually HELPED the Iranian revolution coalesce into a national govt...
Rather than turning against the Ayatollah's government as exiles had promised, the people of Iran rallied around their country and mounted far stiffer resistance; an estimated 100,000 volunteers arrived at the front by November.
Reagan also had "operatives" (ollie North et al) that began doing business with the Iranians... LOL...
yep. Reagan scared the pants off 'em...
BTW? we (quietly) supported Iraq's claims to Iranian territory at the start of that war... sound familiar? cough cough kuwait?
furthermore?
Reagan refused to launch counter-attacks AFTER the US French marine barracks in Lebanon was hit by Shiite (read Iran and Iraq) militia... ( was still IN uniform then)
the French did launch counter attacks while Reagans reponse was to withdraw from Lebanon...
so much for your theory that the terrorists are afraid of the GOP....
Posted by cottonjim on :
"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem." -- Ronald Reagan
"If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under." Ronald Reagan
Posted by glassman on :
i voted for Reagan twice, and voted for bush Sr twice, bush jr once....
but i'm not interested in sugar-coated rat-turds...
if we don't figure out some Diplomatic answers to this problem? the military contractors will end up with all of our hard-earned Cash, and China will be owning all our mortgages...
and i can say that i honestly believe Reagan wouldn't have allowed that...
not a pretty picture is it?
Posted by bdgee on :
His "theory" comes straight from the RNC talking points.
He has no idea even what a terrorist is or how to find one.
Posted by jordanreed on :
quote:Originally posted by ruthie: There is a reason the terrorists hate the U.S. so much...America is not hated by oppresive regimes because it is wrong, but because it is right..
ruth,ruth,ruth....america is hated because they think we are wrong.and obnoxious.and bullies. and corrupt. and globe hungry. and wasteful. and not at all god-like. and domineering.and unclean pigs. and...etc. Posted by cottonjim on :
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by ruthie: There is a reason the terrorists hate the U.S. so much...America is not hated by oppresive regimes because it is wrong, but because it is right..
Isn't that almost a quote from David Koresh, replacing "U.S." and "America" with Branch Dividians?
Posted by bdgee on :
cj, you have a fixation.....
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
quote:Originally posted by ruthie: There is a reason the terrorists hate the U.S. so much...America is not hated by oppresive regimes because it is wrong, but because it is right..
Partially right.
Oppresive Regimes hate us because we meddle. The people under oppressive regimes hate us because we don't live up to our promises.
Add to that many of our freedoms fly in the face of moral traditional decency for many of these cultures and we make a good target.
Posted by bdgee on :
"Oppresive Regimes hate us because we meddle."
So do unoppressive regimes.
We meddle and impose and, generally. play the bully.
Posted by retiredat49 on :
Sometimes we bully the bully...
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
True 49, and sometimes that needs to happen.
But sometimes it seems we are bullying the bully of the middle school when we are in high school 10 miles away. We come in, bully the bully, tell the other smaller kids to stand up and we will help em fight. And when the fight goes down where are we? Back at our high school 10 miles away.
Right now we have a different problem. We bullied the bully dead.
To use a horse analogy...The herd leader croaked. The other higher ups are fighting each other and biting anyone they can to prove their dominance, the lower horses end up taking most of the bites during the chasing cuz they are safe targets that will run instead of fight, and there are strong strange horses in the pasture that don't belong to the herd kicking out at any horse they think are about to bite pissing the whole herd off.
The strange horses want them all to stop fighting so they can re-establish order and stability and get along. The herd wants to get the fight over with so a herd leader will emerge so that they can re-establish order and stability and they can all get along.
Do you get my point?
Democracy is NOT an instinctual form of government. To cut off the head of a dictator and say now make a democracy is really quite insane when you think about it.
BF
Posted by bond006 on :
If the people of Iraq would have over thrown Saddam and establihed what type of government they wanted a whole different ball game.
As it is we invaded,occuppied, and created a friendly government tward us on the same type of 2 party platform.
Do the people of Iraq want this . I think you can tell what is on there mind by looking at there actions.
Posted by dinner42 on :
What was this thread about? Cause I just read a page full of foreign affairs subject matter.
Oh ya the thread topic....Which candidate do you like?
I thought they were all very well groomed, dressed, shaven, hair combed and professional looking...thats about it.
Undecided (R)
Simi Valley California Posted by The Bigfoot on :
LOL
Posted by glassman on :
Democracy is NOT an instinctual form of government. To cut off the head of a dictator and say now make a democracy is really quite insane when you think about it.
good point. and even worse? our democracy is just a little over 200 years old... we are trying to change a culture that was older than we are when Christ was born...
Posted by bdgee on :
Yes!
"Democracy is NOT an instinctual form of government. "
Also, I don't think government is instinctual at all. At least not any more instinctive than chipping away at rocks to make a knives and arrow heads or mixing straw and mud to make bricks.
Government is a tool we humans learned to make out of caos in order to simplify and stablize social behavior, which is mostly instinctive. So why should we think democracy, a mere "form" of government, should be any more natural or instinctive than any other form of government, if any were nartural in the first place?
Most democracies (govrnments of, by, and for the people????) fail. Most governments fail, but democracies more frequently than other forms, partially because democracy as a form of government assumes and requires a certain level and sophistication with intellectual reasoning and that isn't instinctive either.
Hoping to show that democracy is superior, we might decide to rank the forms of government as to which are good and which are bad, but just a brief look at democracies like Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy quickly shows that a democracy IS NOT, by and of its being, necessarilly a "good" government or one that is likely to protect the "freedoms" of the people.
Personally, I don't believe the Iraqis are capableofmaintaining a democracy, one reason being that they have already placed into their constitution that says Islamic law will prevail and Islamic law abhors democracy.
Then too there is the fact that the people of that part of the world have a culture tha depends on ruling families.
Posted by ruthie on :
I stand by my previous post, and also believe the terrorists are trying to destroy any attempt to assist the people they oppress from the move toward truth, freedom and democracy.
Posted by ruthie on :
Bdgee, you said you do not think that the Iraqi are capable of maintaining a democracy. You may be right but I believe that with time and assistance that can change..I do hope so for the sake of the whole Iraqi people...
Posted by bdgee on :
To the muslim terrorist and the Arab peoples, what you think of as freedom and democracy is oppression by an ungodly system.
You can't seem to get it through your head that you are insisting that they abdicate their beliefs and culture in order to assume what to them is a foreign and insulting scheme better suited to a life of sin in Hell. To them your certainty that your way is right and their's wrong only makes us and out ways appear arrogant and uncivil........much as you would feel of them if they insisted that you assume their practices and laws.
How dare we demand they respect our culture when we refuse to respect theirs?
Posted by dinner42 on :
ignorance is bliss
education is key
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by dinner42: ignorance is bliss
education is key
Sure ain't key to pleasing the Cartholic Church or the Muslem muc-a-mucs.
They demand doctrinaire conformity in place of ideas.
Posted by cottonjim on :
quote:Originally posted by dinner42: ignorance is bliss
education is key
siggy
Posted by bdgee on :
Ok, where "siggy" is the claim or commitment, I am blissfully happy.
Posted by rimasco on :
Glass ws the only one to man-up and answer the topic question....
Posted by bdgee on :
So, you are accusing glass of a "rush to judgment"?
Posted by rimasco on :
No, im accusing all others of having a testosterone deficiency resulting in a shrunkin SACK!
"Which Presidential candidate do you like so far?"
Key words: LIKE, SO, FAR
Posted by jordanreed on :
none,zero,nada,or zilch...anyone of those
Posted by bdgee on :
I'll second jordan......
And point out to you all, that I am not required ever to choose and should I choose to choose, there are 18 months before I need worry with it.
Posted by rimasco on :
bdgee I guess you never heard P Diddy..."VOTE OR DIE!" campaign
Posted by bdgee on :
I don't let teen idols and recording artist or radio talk show propaganda artist tell me what to do about voting.
It is my option.
I value it very much.
And I do not make a choice on the slender (and too often slander) and slip-shod information so far available. To do so is to guarantee you won't be making a rational and educated decision.
You, rimasco, have the very same optopn that I do, which includes the option to choose to waste it with a premature (immature?) choice. Suit yourself.
Posted by NaturalResources on :
Thanks for the links Bdgee. They were very helpful, however, I was mostly looking for any thoughts or opinions of him from people who live in the 14th District, or in Texas. Sometimes certian news or information about these guys don't make it past the local and state news.
Posted by bdgee on :
All I hear about him, NR, is rumor and that from and via the dissatisfied republican machine that wants him to adhere to the party line.
In otherwords, nothing worth reporting.
Posted by NaturalResources on :
Thanks Bdgee.... I did notice he was the ONLY Republican to vote AGAINST the war with Iraq.
Posted by HILANDER on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: To the muslim terrorist and the Arab peoples, what you think of as freedom and democracy is oppression by an ungodly system.
You can't seem to get it through your head that you are insisting that they abdicate their beliefs and culture in order to assume what to them is a foreign and insulting scheme better suited to a life of sin in Hell. To them your certainty that your way is right and their's wrong only makes us and out ways appear arrogant and uncivil........much as you would feel of them if they insisted that you assume their practices and laws.
How dare we demand they respect our culture when we refuse to respect theirs?
Amen Bdgee!! You hit it right on the head.
Posted by bdgee on :
Hey, hi,
Good to see ya posting.
I want more descriptions of the scenery and the happenings and such as you travel the lines and how it effect the loads you carry and I want more of your interpretations about things that you notice or don't.
That's good stuff, ladd....
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by NaturalResources: Thanks Bdgee.... I did notice he was the ONLY Republican to vote AGAINST the war with Iraq.
i paid close attention to him in the debate cuz you brought him up...
i agree with alot of what he said, but he's just little tooooo libertarian for me...
i think he brings good stuff to the table to be argued over, but i'm not sure i could vote for him yet...
Posted by bdgee on :
I note the "yet", glass....
In other words, it's too dang early to be choosing and closing the mind.
(The last statement may be {hehehehe will be?) ignored by the band-wagoneers and party liners, who too often polute our elections so that the good drop out, leaving the rest of us washing in a tide of hype and slander and electorial mediocrity.)
Posted by rimasco on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: And I do not make a choice on the slender (and too often slander) and slip-shod information so far available. To do so is to guarantee you won't be making a rational and educated decision.
You, rimasco, have the very same optopn that I do, which includes the option to choose to waste it with a premature (immature?) choice. Suit yourself.
I simply stated who I like "SO FAR". This meaning if the elections were held tomorrow. To be honest im not totally sold on any of the above, yet......
Posted by NaturalResources on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by NaturalResources: Thanks Bdgee.... I did notice he was the ONLY Republican to vote AGAINST the war with Iraq.
i paid close attention to him in the debate cuz you brought him up...
i agree with alot of what he said, but he's just little tooooo libertarian for me...
i think he brings good stuff to the table to be argued over, but i'm not sure i could vote for him yet...
Yeah I'm not saying I'll vote for the guy either, but the more I read about him, the more I like him. He does seem a bit too libertarian on some issues but, like you said, he does bring a lot good points to the table, more than I hear from the other candidates.
If you have time and are interested, check out this eleven part video of him speaking about Neo-Conservatives. It is a bit of a pain to watch it split up into 2-4 minute clips, but worth it IMO.
I voted for Ron Paul in 1988 when he was running on the libertarian ticket. I won't be voting for him in 2008. It's kind of cool that someone like him can get elected to congress, but he's too crazy to be president.
At this point I have no idea who I'll support. Giuliani is too authoritarian (you think Bush acts like a monarch? He's a piker next to Giuliani). Obama is too inexperienced. I don't much like Clinton, but she's a smart aggressive campaigner, don't count her out.
What little I know of Fred Thompson, I like. Same goes for Bill Richardson. But I don't know nearly enough about either yet to say if I'd actually vote for one of them.
Posted by rimasco on :
Rudy Giuliani said yesterday that he believes abortion is "morally wrong" but that he still supports a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy
BINGO!....I can live with that answer
RUUUDY RUUUDY RUUUDY!! Posted by glassman on :
me too.. a true conservative doesn't try to force themself between someone else and God...
Posted by rimasco on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: me too.. a true conservative doesn't try to force themself between someone else and God...
One thing I know about Rudy...hes a great "interpreter" of the law. He may have been a little harsh somtimes....but I know it was NEVER for personla gain.
Posted by bdgee on :
Rudy's stated stand on abortion seems to be mine......at least until a new wind blows.....
I'm not too pleased with his position on the 2nd amendment, If I hearde it correctly. I would expect a little consistancy from a person that thinks himself worthy of a vote for president. If he thinks gun ownership violates his personal morals, thenhe needen't own any. Why, when he has already made a parallel decision on abortion, can't he respect my right to not be morally opposed to gun ownership?
If women have a right to decide, why not me?
Posted by rimasco on :
Please dont compare Rudy to Kerry... and please stop posting half-truths...relax, judging by his stance the people of fort worth will still be able to purchase a shoulder fired rpg from their local walmart.
"The former mayor told Hannity that gun control was "appropriate" for the city, but that states and cities should be allowed to make those decisions locally."
"So," Hannity continued, "you would support the state's rights to choose on specific gun laws?"
"Yes, I mean, a place like New York that is densely populated, or maybe a place that is experiencing a serious crime problem, … maybe you have one solution there and in another place, more rural, more suburban, other issues, you have a different set of rules."
Apparently, in Giuliani's America law-abiding citizens in large cities would not enjoy the same constitutional liberties as the rest of the country. Why? Are city dwellers not as trustworthy as country folks?
Coming from a City dweller.... my answer, HELL NO!
I can live with that answer as well...
Posted by rimasco on :
At least hes honest....
I cant wait to see Hillary in her "photo opp" hunting......Beaver.
Posted by bond006 on :
I like his answer on abortion I myself am morally against it.
free choice is the only legal answer for people in a free society.
In reality women have always got an abortion if they wanted one,might as well make it safe for them to do under good conditions without the guilt that they are breaking the law.
Just becase I agree with Giuliani on the subject of abortion does not me I support him at all
Posted by bdgee on :
"Please dont compare Rudy to Kerry... and please stop posting half-truths."
Now there is a glaring half truth!
Where did I miss the person here comparing Kerry to Rudy? I don't see any and, really, can't imagine any it would be suggested that there was. (Didn't Giuliani, though at excactly the age to be drafted and sent to S.E. Asia, manage somehow to avoid military service, while Kerry volunterred and did serve in Viet Nam? Comparison?)
Look in the mirror when you say, "and please stop posting half-truths.", which is like a loaded question and implies yet another half truth.
Posted by bond006 on :
Yes Giuliani is a chickenhawk
Posted by rimasco on :
LOL!!!! speaking of chickenhawks.......
"This war is lost". Sen. majority leader Harry Reid recently proclimed. That pessimism about Iraq is now widley shared by his colleagues. But many arent being quite honest about why theve radically changed their views of the war. Most of the serious Democratic presidentialcnadidates - Sens Hillary Clinton, Joe biden and Chris dodd, and ex-sen John Edwards- once voted, along with Reid, to authorize the war. Now they find themselves under assault by a Democratic base that demands apologies. Only Edwards had siad hes sorry for his vote of support. But if the Democratic party is now almost uniformly anti-war, it is also understandable why it cant find a singlemajor presidential candidate who was in Congress when it counted and tried to stop the invasion. After all, responsible Democrats in national office had been convinced by Bill Clinton for eight years and then G W Bush for two tahat Saddams Iraq was both a conventional and terrorist threat to america and its alies. Most in Congress accepted that Saddam was a genocidal mass murderer. They knew he used his petrodollars to acquire dangerous weapons. And they felt his savagery was intolerable in a post-9/11 world. He gave money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers and offered sanctuary to terrorists like Abu Abbas and Abu Nidal. In other words, Democrats, like most others, wanted Saddam taken out for a variety of reasons beyond fears of WMD's. Moreover, it was the Clinton-appointed CIA Director George Tenet who supplied both Democrats and Republicans in Congress with much of the intelligence they would later cite in deciding to attack Saddam. When both Congress voted to go along with President Bush, it even crafted 23 formal causes for war. So far only the writ concerning the fear of WMD's has been proven false. But we no longer hear much about these various reasons why the Democrats understandably supported Saddam's removal. Instead, they now most often plead they were hoodwinked by sneaky warmongering neocons or sexed up intelligence reports. There is nothing wrong with changing your mind - but the public at least deserves a sincere explanation for this radical about face. So why come clean about their changes of heart? Many Democrats apparently think that claiming they were victimized by Bush and the neocons is more palatable than confessing to their own demoralization with the news from the front. Others may fear that admitting publicly that a disheartened America should not or cannot finish a conflict would send a dangerous message to our enemies. So while they accuse Bush if being hardheaded and unwavering on Iraq, theyre still afraid that their own mea culpas would send an equally dangerous message of inconsistency abroad. Democrats need to admit the truth: That removing a dangerous Saddam Hussein and promoting democracy in his place seemed a good idea to them in 2003-04 when the cost appeared tolerable. Now, in 2007, with over 3,000 Americans lives lost in Iraq, they feel differently. In other words, Democrats could argue that smoewhere along the line they either lost confidence in the United States very ability to stabilize Iraq, or came to feel that even if we could, it was no longer worth the tab in American blood and treasure. That confession could, of course, be muanced with exculpatory arguments about the mistakesmade by those in the Bush administration, such as: "Our necessary war that I voted for to remove Saddam worked; your optionalone to stay on to promote democracy didnt" Such an explanation would be transparentand invite a public discussion. And it would certainly be more legitmate than the prostestations of "the neocons made me do it". With America still engaged in a tough war, that kind of excuse-making just doesnt cut it.
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