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Fonda is back in the game Jane Fonda returns to the big screen in 'Georgia Rule.' By BARRY KOLTNOW The Orange County Register Jane Fonda, who continues to apologize for her "thoughtless, but not treasonous" actions during the Vietnam War, said she feels sorry for the people who cannot let go of their hatred for her.
"They're pathetic," she said during a recent interview to promote her new movie "Georgia Rule," which opens today in the wake of the "Spider-Man 3" tidal wave.
"The fact that they have never stopped going after me shows that they haven't healed. That's sad. And I do feel sorry for them because they have to live with the lies."
In 1972, the actress made a trip to North Vietnam with a large group of anti-war activists, but she received most of the attention when she was photographed sitting and smiling atop an anti-aircraft battery surrounded by enemy soldiers.
The two-time Oscar winner insists that the controversy surrounding her trip was initiated by people with political motives, and accused unspecified "right-wingers" with continuing to use her to further their cause during the war in Iraq.
"I'm a lightning rod," she explained. "They need me as a warning to other people who might want to protest against this war. It's as if they're saying: 'If you protest, you could end up like Hanoi Jane.'
Fonda, who will turn 70 on Dec. 21, said she is somewhat amused by the suggestion in some circles that she initiated the anti-war movement since she believes that she came late to the fray.
"I tend to get too much credit, and all of the blame," she said. "I only turned against the war after three years of going to military bases, talking to soldiers and listening to what they were saying about the war. I supported the troops. I went to Vietnam to support the troops. I know in my heart that going there was in no way, shape or form treasonous. I did not betray my country. And I did not betray the soldiers."
As for the infamous photo of her on the anti-aircraft battery, Fonda said she understood that she had made a mistake within seconds.
"We were all standing around and someone said to sit here and I moved two steps and sat down. As soon as I got up and started walking away, I realized how it must have looked and said to my interpreter: "Oh my God, please destroy that film."
"I wasn't supporting them against us. That's not who I am, and that was not what I was thinking."
Fonda said that she has met many veterans who said they understand what happened, but the criticism of her, particularly on the Internet, continues unabated.
"There is nothing new in anything they write," she said. "It's the same old story all the time. But it will end someday. It will end when they die."
NO PLAIN JANE
Born Lady Jayne Seymour Fonda in New York City to an actor father (Oscar winner Henry Fonda) and a socialite mother (Frances Seymour Brokaw), young Jane seemed destined to become an actress.
But she says her destiny had nothing to do with her father, but rather her inability to do anything else. The only "real" job she ever held was as a 19-year-old secretary to a Broadway producer, but she was fired shortly after she started (if you'd like to find out the juicy details behind why she got fired from that job, check ****s.ocregister.com/barry).
After working in the theater, Fonda made the transition to the big screen with the help of family friend Josh Logan, the noted director who gave his goddaughter her first film role in his 1960 movie, "Tall Story."
Her breakthrough role came in the 1965 hit "Cat Ballou," and she continued her winning streak in such films as "Barefoot in the Park" in 1967, "Barbarella" in 1968 and "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?" in 1969, for which she got the first of seven Oscar nominations.
She won the Oscar in 1972 for playing a prostitute in "Klute," and again in 1979 for the anti-war drama "Coming Home."
In 1984, she won an Emmy for the television movie "The Dollmaker." Her workout videos during the 1980s revolutionized the fitness industry, and her 2005 autobiography "My Life So Far" hit the top of the best-sellers list. The same week, her comeback film "Monster-in-Law" opened at No. 1, giving her the distinction of being the only person to ever have a No. 1 book and film in the same week.
Fonda, who has been married and divorced three times (French director Roger Vadim, activist Tom Hayden and billionaire Ted Turner), left acting in 1990 and didn't come out of retirement until 15 years later with "Monster-in-Law."
She explained her absence from films this way: "If you're a painter, you have a canvas and a brush. If you are a musician, you have an instrument. But when you're an actor, you only have this," she said, pointing to her body.
"If you're unhappy and don't like yourself, or if you are shut down emotionally, it is very hard to go to work every day. I found it very painful and very scary to act. I just didn't want to do this anymore.
"But I never missed it," she added. "And I never expected to come back. Movies have never been the center of my life, which I think has been my saving grace. It is much healthier when you are someone in this mercurial business to have other aspects of your life."
Following her divorce, she became a born-again Christian (raised an atheist, she now calls herself a "feminist Christian"), although she said she had been leaning in that direction since her early 50s. Whatever the reason, she said she eventually felt like acting again.
"Even though I don't need acting, I'd like it to be part of the mix," she said.
She said she would like to make four to six more movies "before I die," and would like at least one of them to be a sexy movie.
"Some people assume that after a certain age, there is no more eroticism. I'd like to make a movie that addresses that."
In "Georgia Rule," Fonda plays a demanding woman with a lot of unbending rules who lives alone in a small Idaho town. She has a dysfunctional relationship with her sophisticated but alcoholic daughter (Felicity Huffman), who drops off her obnoxious and spoiled daughter (Lindsay Lohan) to live with her grandmother for the summer.
"At my age, it is hard to develop a strategy or to be choosy because you are at the whims of Hollywood, but I still turn down some roles. But I couldn't turn down this one. It's a character-driven story with subjects that interest me, such as family dysfunction and healing in the face of that dysfunction."
Fonda's own dysfunctional relationship with her father has been well-documented, and was pretty much played out in the 1981 film "On Golden Pond," for which the elder Fonda won his only Oscar.
His daughter says that film remains one of her favorites.
"I am proud that I produced it, I am proud that I got to work with my father in it and I am proud that he finally won an Oscar."
As for reports that she channels her father in "Georgia Rule," particularly in the disapproving way her character looks at her daughter and granddaughter, Fonda shrugs her shoulders and smiles.
"I've heard that from two different people already, but I swear that I never consciously thought about it. But, who knows? Maybe there was a bit of Henry in there."
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Anyway, IMO, she would have been better off just sticking to the movie business instead of running around giving speeches about how we should be on our knees praying the United States would become communist...
I will say one thing, she sure was a fox when she was younger...
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"Anyway, IMO, she would have been better off just sticking to the movie business instead of running around giving speeches about how we should be on our knees praying the United States would become communist..."
More lies and crap from THE super duper know-it-all republican.
You can't find even one statement she ever made saying she wanted the U.S. to become communist. There isn't any.
It is one thing to disapprove of things she has actually done or said, but lying about it is cheap and childish.
Why must you di it?
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Why do you spread this hate?
"Anyway, IMO, she would have been better off just sticking to the movie business instead of running around giving speeches about how we should be on our knees praying the United States would become communist..."
More lies and crap from THE super duper know-it-all republican.
You can't find even one statement she ever made saying she wanted the U.S. to become communist. There isn't any.
It is one thing to disapprove of things she has actually done or said, but lying about it is cheap and childish.
Why must you di it?
"I, a Socialist, think we should strive toward a Socialist society, all the way to Communism." - Jane Fonda
"If you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would some day become communist." - Jane Fonda
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No, she did not, but the far rightwing warmongers have spent billions promoting that lie, andy.
Fonda, like most of the people in the country back then, opposed the war in Viet Nam, but unlike most, she had the notoriety to be heard and the war lovers hated that. They started a chamaign to smear her and her name and continue it today. They still maintain their hate of everything and everybody that did not want to continue in Viet nam. had they their way, we would would be still fighting in Viet Nam. They are not an honorable collection of people.
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Wait wait before you respond... let me guess... Just lies from the RNC...? Perhaps you could find some quotes or text of her denying she ever said these things, then maybe, just maybe, I might believe you.
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Can't you learn to not depend on those far rightwing "sources". They do not provide truth.
Anyway, there is nothing in the constitution making communism un-American anbd the Supreme Court SO RULED OVER AND OVER.
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I guess i did not see clips back then of what came out of Jane's mouth. She adds a little more class when she stands in Hanoi and does Her thing with POW's not far from her, a real class act.
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Bdgee, why don't you provide some evidence that she has refuted that she said these things. I know and you know, if someone had published false quotes about something you or I had said, we would certainly have made a public statement denying it. Yet there seems to be none...
Instead of pretending to be the expert and expecting me to take your word for it, find some evidence that she has denied saying these thing and post it here and I will personally appologize to both you and Jane Fonda.
I am not saying it is unconstitutional to promote communism so get off it already. What exactly is the point of that comment, other than making false allusions in a pathetic attempt to portray me as Joseph McCarthy?
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So, what difference does it make, andy. The woman acknowledged her mistakes.
She DID NOT apologize for opposing the war against North Viet Nam, Why should she? She was right, it was an improper war and the U.S. should never have been involved. (Had it not been for Eisenhower sending troops to support his buddy De Gaulle, we probably wouldn't have been there.) We needed to have gotten out years before we did. It was an unwinnable war, just like Iraq.
The last person that you should be suspecting of being communist or socialistic is Jane Fonda. It was her that set the standard for women making a fortune selling how to stuff, then came Martha Stewart and Rosie and a host of others copying the model. Fonda made millions on exercise stuff.
That's called capitalism.
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quote:Originally posted by NaturalResources: Bdgee, why don't you provide some evidence that she has refuted that she said these things. I know and you know, if someone had published false quotes about something you or I had said, we would certainly have made a public statement denying it. Yet there seems to be none...
Instead of pretending to be the expert and expecting me to take your word for it, find some evidence that she has denied saying these thing and post it here.
I am not saying it is unconstitutional to promote communism so get off it already. What exactly is the point of that comment, other than making false allusions in a pathetic attempt to portray me as Joseph McCarthy?
Better yet, why don't you get over that obsession with those sneaky mean dirty evil communist that don't play fair.
Communism isn't coming here, not by choice and not by force. Get over it. And for God's sake, stop announcing everyone who has ever done something you disapprove of (or that irritates your bigotry bone) is a communist. I doubt you have ever even see a true communist except for maybe seeing pictures of Castro on the TV.
You are a wanna be Joseph McCarthy, relying on the same techniques and squalid emotional trash and smearing the name and deeds and reputation of everyone you get a chance to.
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Bla bla bla... you are just trying to change the subject now... Find any evidence of Fonda refuting those quotes that were published in the Washington Times? While you are busy looking for that, here is a promotion for Barbarella, for your viewing pleasure.
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classless political system: the political theory or system in which all property and wealth is owned in a classless society by all the members of that society
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For one thing there has never been a communist country on the face of the earth,in the spirit of what marx would have referd to as a communist country.
Cuba inho has come the closest to it but there are still class differences in Cuba and Castro is a true Marxist.
But that does not mean anything there have been marxist around and running countries with a capitalist economy.
Look at the politics of Italy'France and Great Britian many marxist in thoes country's France still has the communist party as a functioning political party on the ballot.
I think the reds should be represented here to rather than sneaking around infiltrating all the other parties at least we would know what they were up to and people would get to make a choice. It is not going away imho
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quote:Originally posted by NaturalResources: Bla bla bla... you are just trying to change the subject now... Find any evidence of Fonda refuting those quotes that were published in the Washington Times? While you are busy looking for that, here is a promotion for Barbarella, for your viewing pleasure.
You are still fighting a cold war that ended when Ben Laden drove the Russians out of an unwinable war in Afganistan by destroying the ecomnomy of the U.S.S.R. when it refused to accept that such a war is unwinable.
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Find Jane Fonda's denial yet Bdgee? Didn't think so.
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I am not here to spend my day chasing references you could find yourself if you bothered to look for them instead of hunting for misquotes and lies to cut and paste on the net.
You tell lies and then think you substiant them by demanding proof from others.
A lie is a lie is a lie.
And an obsession with communism is too.
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I post something that was printed in a national newspaper and has never been denied by Jane Fonda, and you claim it is false. You are the one who has the burden of proof on your shoulders. If the quotes published were false, where is the retraction? Where are the libel lawsuits?
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Find me that, with proof it is her doing the acknowledging not someone that is full of hate saying she did. You are too hateful toward the woman to be taken seriously.
Your history and record on the subject makes anything you "claim" to be true suspect. Just because you find some thing said in that rightwing garbage you devour doesn't make it true.
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Hateful? Show me where I have been hateful. All I have done is post quotes published by a national newspaper by Jane Fonda that suggests she advocated communism...
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And why would you be so enthusiastic to post stuff intended to trash the name and reputation of someone other than your hatred? What you are doing is intended to trash the name and reputation of the woman? Hey, man, that's hate.
I don't believe there is a snow ball's chance in hell that those are quotes of Fonda, instead, they are hateful lies by your kind. I can find essentially the same sort of "quotes" attributed to just about anyone of note somewhere and many of those somewheres are in newspapers.
It isn't a fact simply by being published in a paper.
You are hateful and you are obsessed with communism, a thing you don't even know what it is.
What damage did Jane Fonda ever do to you? I mean other than what you imagine. Did she steal you money? Run over you dog? Tell you wife you grabbed her butt in an elevator?
As far as her activities during the Viet Nam War, she was right, we needed, for the sake of the Nation and the sake of humanity, to get out of Viet nam (and she might have speeded that up, but I doubt it).
She DID NOT hurt you by exercising her Constitutional rights back then and if that is your claim it is you that is violating the honor of Amnerica, not her. She did have the right, you know, to an opinion and the right to speak it aloud.
You are being hateful toward the woman.
You should be ashamed to be so low and base.
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The Detroit Free Press (republished by the Washington Times in 2000)
"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would someday become Communist."
US Congress House Committee on Internal Security (HCIS)
"I am a Socialist, I think that we should strive toward a Socialist society-all the way to communism."
The Peoples World
"To make the revolution in the United States is a slow day-by-day job that requires patience and discipline. It is the only way to make it. . . . All I know is that despite the fact that I am one of the people who benefit from a capitalist society, I find that any system which exploits other people cannot and should not exist."
The Dallas Morning News
"We've got to establish a Socialist economic structure that will limit private profit-oriented businesses. Whether the transition is peaceful depends on the way our present governmental leaders react. We must commit our lives to this transition. ... We should be very proud of our new breed of soldier. . . . It's not organized but it's mutiny, and they have every right."
.... Hardly quotes from the "The Enquirer" as you suggest.
Telling the truth about what can be found in the public record and has NEVER been denied, retracted or subject to a libel lawsuit is hardly spredding lies, and nothing close to being hateful towards the woman.
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You know, I've always admired Ted Turner. (I have never met the man so I can't guess if I'd like him personally.)
Unlike so many that grew up rich and inherited daddy's business, he didn't make that be his entire life.
Turner went off and won a bunch of ocean yacht races to start, the America's cup among them.
When daddy's business fell to him, he had the gall to not sit on the fortune and just be rich, he had the imagination to create cable tv, all by his lonesome, in spite of an entire industry that did whatever it could to stop him.
He made baseball and football and basketball work in Atlanta and it was as much his foresight as any that swung the contest between Atlanta and Birmingham to become the major air service transfer point in the southeast.
As it became obvious to him that he was amassing a fortune way bigger than he had any hope to ever dominate, without fanfare, he began donating huge sums to worthwile endeavors and he did so well before he was old.
The man has an intriguing and productive mind that has seen success over and over and not in just one sort of endeavor.
I note that Turner choose Jane Fonda.
That speaks for her as much if not more than all the hateful slanders all put together all at once.
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Jane Fonda was married to someone in the media as powerful as Ted Turner, and you don't find it odd that she never sued any of the publications that printed those quotes, nor the dozens of other media sources that later used the original quotes? Gimme a break....
Besides, if as you claim, all of the quotes above attriubuted to her are BS, why doesn't she just demonstrate that fact conclusively and be done with it?
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I do not feel it odd at all. (Then too, by the time she married Turner, he had ceded control of his media empire in huge business deals and no longer had any influence over them.)
As a celebrity, according the numerous rulings of the Courts, you don't have the provileges of anonimity and cannot expect to not be talked about, whether or not the talk is wrong, and yoiu can't be awarded a judgment on the same basis as normal people.
She couldn't win in court even if she proved her case absolutely, because of those precedents.
She has been demonsrating it quite conclusively and getting more of your kind of attention every time she does.
You fail to see what she does, favoring to spread lies that never were close to the truth in order to promote your rightwing agenda and feed your communist obsession.
NR! The U.S.S.R isn't any more. Ben Laden killed it by egging them into a war that couldn't be won and teasing them into not geting out before they went bankrupt.
Stop trying to generate a new "red scare". We don't need to live in that fear now.
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First you claim I can't find a statement then you claimed what I found was a lie and now you are claiming it's a lie, but one created by Fonda herself in order to fool people like me who go around trying to generate a new red scare? LOL your arguements are truly pathetic and a three year old would have a better chance at pulling it off than you.
Personally, I think you would have been better off just calling me an A-hole in the beginning and left it at that.
quote:Get off it you perfect a--hole.
What is it you are always saying about name calling again? By the way, I do not slander your name by using it in my 'tagline'. You claim over and over that I am nothing but an RNC Parrot. I am simply making sure you will be held to your accusations every single time I post. If it somehow bothers you to read your own comments in my tagline, maybe you shouldn't have made them in the first place. This will be my final post on this thread.
Good Day Sir.
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