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glassman
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well put Tex...

munch, did you catch the part where i said how i fought back no matter how much more i got hurt?
and then? i refused to "pay it forward"?

BTW? i think xlax is the best thing for OCD... [Big Grin]

the bipolar stuff is good if you can figger out how to lose the blues? you get to be manic all the time...

this TPCD is awesome stuff.. you could probably make a killing writing a TV show....
most of 'em are crap anyway so you don't even need to be very creative, just use the TPCD angle...

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quote:
Originally posted by Munchkin Man:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
i bet you got asked to leave that job dintcha MM?

you are lucky you didn't get sued...

it was probably in a poor neighborhood where people can't afford lawyers huh?

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The Munchkin Man had tenure.

You couldn't just ask the Munchkin Man to leave just because you didn't like the Munchkin Man.

The Munchkin Man got sued once.

The Munchkin Man got a good attorney and got the suit dismissed.

On the negative side, the Munchkin Man's car did get vandalized a few times.

The Munchkin Man finally retired on disability when his late onset of Third Person Communicative Disorder (TPCD) started to kick in.

The Munchkin Man also had OCD.

That stands for Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.

This may also help explain why the Munchkin Man was regarded as so "picky."

The Munchkin Man was also diagnosed with Type II Bipolar Disorder.

These extra diagnoses helped the Munchkin Man to get his disability claim approved because his TPCD was so relatively unknown at the time.

And it still is.

Best Wishes,

Munchkin Man

lol, I still can't believe the "third-person" thingee, but clearly the Munchie has no known role as a teacher/helper of children. lol, I was "tough" in my youth-program, but I also recognized sometimes it's simply best to go eat pizza together...

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IMO,

most of these kids weren't properly disciplined when they were children. What ever happened to a swift spanking, or the switch?
I went to various schools around the world growing up. In Australia, 90% of the kids went to private schools whether they were poor or not...and they were militarily based...that meant we trained a couple of days out of the week after the 6th grade for the military in case of a war. (There is no draft there)Most of the time, thge disciplinarian of the school was the leader of our teen units, and they weer strict. The cane was a good tool for straightening us up from bad tidings amonst our peers.
Again IMO, our education system should consider copying Australia's example.
Maybe that is why crime isn't so bad there, and never has been, even if it was founded by crooks in the first place.

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MOST of these kids were not read to...

What happened here in America was kids quit being read to, and then got beat hard enough (corporal punishment) that parents freaked out...

but not so freaked out as to resume control...then schools lost control.

Schools need parents. Kids need parents who tuck 'em in and tell stories or sing songs or read to 'em.

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quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
MOST of these kids were not read to...

What happened here in America was kids quit being read to, and then got beat hard enough (corporal punishment) that parents freaked out...

but not so freaked out as to resume control...then schools lost control.

Schools need parents. Kids need parents who tuck 'em in and tell stories or sing songs or read to 'em.

You are very correct Tex

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I've sort of known all along that I couldn't approve on you MM. Something deeper than the childish third person writing that displays absolutely no talent for wtiting, but does display an inability to communicate in writing.

So far as mathematics is concerned, I will take you at your word, herein, and believe you acted exactly as you say.

I've been having to correct the horrible things you've done to young minds for a lifetime and you have the gall to think it makes you a man. It makes you a sick arrogant failure. A good teacher doesn't often have to give low grades, because he teaches so well the students learn well. When it is necessary, from time to time, to give a low grade, a good teacher knows it is his failure, not the student's.

Quoting R.L. Moore, known as the greatest teacher of mathematics that ever lived, "One teaches because it is his calling, one does mathematics because one can't not do mathematics". I suspect you can't do mathematics, but it is bluntly clear that you were not called to teach it.

What say I sit your ignorant butt down and teach you some real mathematics? I don't think you have a hope in hell of even guessing what the subject is unless you apply yourself 100% for a few months and then you'll still have many miles to go before comprehension takes hold, if it ever does. I won't need to grade you, because I can assure you and anyone else that you don't have the knack for or the devotion that it takes to do real mathematics. You'll quit rather than prove you can't. I can tell that from your disgusting assault of students with the most magnificient of all the arts in order to pump up your ego.

How dare you to use mathematics to bully students?

How many young minds did you sour on mathematics?

How many young minds did you sour on education?

Teaching is a privilege that you have abused.

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Quote Tex:

Schools need parents. Kids need parents who tuck 'em in and tell stories or sing songs or read to 'em.
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Unfortunately there is less and less of that these day's with two parents working, seems like many do not seem to find enough time to spend with their kids. Do you coach anymore?

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quote:
Originally posted by IWISHIHAD:
Quote Tex:

Schools need parents. Kids need parents who tuck 'em in and tell stories or sing songs or read to 'em.
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Unfortunately there is less and less of that these day's with two parents working, seems like many do not seem to find enough time to spend with their kids. Do you coach anymore?

no, last team I coached was coupla years ago: some of the older guys wanted to play adult league. We won our division, but to be truthful, the league placed us in the lowest division. Not a good idea, given our history.

To do that again, I'd prolly work with Under-12, *maybe* Under-10...at this point, I think that's "something I did."

was very rewarding, though...more than I ever could have imagined. We stifled gang recruitment and kept some good kids in class

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That's about the last time i did that Boy's and Girls club baseball team. I was suppose to just help out from time to time, but as what happens quite often for those teams as you know, every one bails and parents did not have the time, so it became full time for me. Like you i like working with the kids, but did not want the full time job.
I have a grandson starting soccer next year and my daughter already has me signed up as the coach. If you do not offer to coach, you are not guaranteed a spot on the team. Were talking about 4-5 year olds, we need about 10 coaches to keep their attention. I am not much into coaching soccer, but have done it about 4 years when my kids were growing up. This age group is fun, but in a different way, but like you know each has it's plus, i prefer the 8-15 year old range. Since my grandson is on the team we will have a great time as we always do. I know he is looking foward to it and the treats afterward, not sure what order at this point.

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
I've been having to correct the horrible things you've done to young minds for a lifetime and you have the gall to think it makes you a man.

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How exactly have you been spending a "lifetime" correcting what you claim the Munchkin Man has done to the "young minds" you have described?

The Munchkin Man doesn't understand your statement.

Please explain and elaborate for the Munchkin Man.

Thanks in advance.
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Best Wishes,

Munchkin Man

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
A good teacher doesn't often have to give low grades, because he teaches so well the students learn well. When it is necessary, from time to time, to give a low grade, a good teacher knows it is his failure, not the student's.

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The Munchkin Man disagrees with you on all of the above.

A good teacher gives a low grade whenever it is deserved and every single time it is deserved without exceptions.

It is the teacher's responsibility to teach.

It is the student's responsibility to learn.

All students are responsible for their own learning.

As the old saying goes:

"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink."

There are good teachers and there are bad teachers.

The Munchkin Man was a good teacher.

It is the student's responsibility to learn, whether he or she has a good teacher or a bad teacher.

The student's task is to learn in spite of the teacher if, indeed, the teacher is a bad teacher.

Every time the Munchkin Man failed a student, it was not the Munchkin Man who failed.

It was the student who failed.

It's that simple.
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Best Wishes,

Munchkin Man

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee: Quoting R.L. Moore, known as the greatest teacher of mathematics that ever lived, "One teaches because it is his calling, one does mathematics because one can't not do mathematics".
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The greatest teacher of mathematics who ever lived?

The Munchkin Man never even heard of him.

The Munchkin Man just looked him up on Wikipedia.

No wonder the Munchkin Man had never heard of him.

He was a "constructivist"

The Munchkin Man is a "traditionalist."

The Munchkin Man believes in direct instruction.

The Munchkin Man believes in teacher-led instruction instead of student-centered instruction.

The Munchkin Man was a "sage on the stage" instead of a "guide by the side."

Have you ever heard of "The Math Wars?"

Check out this link and learn something:

http://www.ios.org/showcontent.aspx?ct=245&h=53

Here is the Munchkin Man's favorite mathematics teaching web site:

http://www.mathematicallycorrect.com/

This is the side of "The Math Wars" that the Munchkin Man is on.

They think like the Munchkin Man does.

They also tend to vote Republican.

Now here is a link to the "enemy" side:

http://www.mathematicallysane.com/home.asp

These people think like you and your hero R.L. Moore do.

They also tend to vote Democrat.

The bottom line is that you and the Munchkin Man come from two entirely different philosophical camps.

Best Wishes,

Munchkin Man

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee: What say I sit your ignorant butt down and teach you some real mathematics? I don't think you have a hope in hell of even guessing what the subject is unless you apply yourself 100% for a few months and then you'll still have many miles to go before comprehension takes hold, if it ever does. I won't need to grade you, because I can assure you and anyone else that you don't have the knack for or the devotion that it takes to do real mathematics. You'll quit rather than prove you can't.
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Listen to yourself!

You are offering to teach the Munchkin Man a math course.

Yet, you are forecasting the Munchkin Man's failure even before he starts.

What do you think this does to the Munchkin Man's self-esteem?

The Munchkin Man is shocked that you would teach one of your students with such a prejudical attitude.

Is the type of teaching style which you embrace?

Best Wishes,

Munchkin Man

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When one accepts the responsibilities of teaching the youth of a society, one, in that same act, cedes to the culture any right or privilege to perform the duties inherent to that position with even a hint of personal goal other than the honor of imparting to young minds the necessary information they will need in that subject matter for successful adulthood and building in their minds and egos the confidence that they can, based on the foundation they get in school, use, and expand on the use of, the subject in their life.

One DOes NOT have the right or privilege to use the authority of the position as a show of power to enhance his own short commings, real or imaginary.


The profession of teaching is one of responsibility and duty, resulting in long after the fact infinite pride in the successes of the students (with often little or no recognition of the influence of the teacher) one has had the privilege to influencing. For a teacher that prides himself on having been "hard" on the students, that is an impossible result, as that fact rather than the subject matter, by necessity, becomes the only practical goal of the student. The job is NOT to make it difficult, but to make it easy and pleasurable and a tool worthy of keeping for use through a lifetime.

(That was in your beloved 3rd person, in order to possibly, not probably, tweak your obviously dormant or dead sense of responsibility. I doubt it there really is anough there to tweak.)

What you describe doing dishonors those in an honorable profession, not only those in it that teach mathematics, but all of them.

If you were capable of understanding you wouldn't be capable of using a the teaching of mathematics as a device to pump your own ego and could not, even in jest, brag about having done so. So' I'll offer no explanation to the Munchkin Man. You have earned the disgust of any and every worthwhile teacher everywhere for all time.

I'll put it in terms you claim to understand and you brag that you expected your students to understand and accept without recourse or explanation:

You flunked.

You flunked as a teacher.

You flunked as a teacher of mathematics.

You flunked as a responsible adult.

You flunked as a decent human being.

NO RE-EXAMS AND NO RE-EVALUATION OF THE GRADE.

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Sorry. Was a double post. I don't know how or why, but I deleted the text of this one.
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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
munch, did you catch the part where i said how i fought back no matter how much more i got hurt?

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Yes, indeed.

Unfortunately, that is an important lesson in childhood the Munchkin Man never learned.

When a bully used to threaten to "kill" the Munchkin Man, the Munchkin Man really used to believe he would get killed.

When a bully used to threaten to "break every bone" in the Munchkin Man's body, the Munchkin Man really used to believe that all of his bones would get broken and stay broken for life.

When a bully used to threaten to put the Munchkin Man "in the hospital", the Munchkin Man really used to believe that he would be going to the hospital and stay there for the rest of his life.

As a result, the Munchkin Man was always afraid to fight back.

Yet, the Munchkin Man would have probably become a teacher anyway.

Best Wishes,

Munchkin Man

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
this TPCD is awesome stuff.. you could probably make a killing writing a TV show....
most of 'em are crap anyway so you don't even need to be very creative, just use the TPCD angle...

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You have a good point there, Glassman.

The Munchkin Man has already gotten his "revenge."

Now it is time for the Munchkin Man to move on and use his God given creative writing talents to good use.

Thank you very much for the inspiration.

Good luck to you.

Best Wishes,

Munchkin Man

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
When one accepts the responsibilities of teaching the youth of a society, one, in that same act, cedes to the culture any right or privilege to perform the duties inherent to that position with even a hint of personal goal other than the honor of imparting to young minds the necessary information they will need in that subject matter for successful adulthood and building in their minds and egos the confidence that they can, based on the foundation they get in school, use, and expand on the use of, the subject in their life.

One DOes NOT have the right or privilege to use the authority of the position as a show of power to enhance his own short commings, real or imaginary.


The profession of teaching is one of responsibility and duty, resulting in long after the fact infinite pride in the successes of the students (with often little or no recognition of the influence of the teacher) one has had the privilege to influencing. For a teacher that prides himself on having been "hard" on the students, that is an impossible result, as that fact rather than the subject matter, by necessity, becomes the only practical goal of the student. The job is NOT to make it difficult, but to make it easy and pleasurable and a tool worthy of keeping for use through a lifetime.

(That was in your beloved 3rd person, in order to possibly, not probably, tweak your obviously dormant or dead sense of responsibility. I doubt it there really is anough there to tweak.)

What you describe doing dishonors those in an honorable profession, not only those in it that teach mathematics, but all of them.

If you were capable of understanding you wouldn't be capable of using a the teaching of mathematics as a device to pump your own ego and could not, even in jest, brag about having done so. So' I'll offer no explanation to the Munchkin Man. You have earned the disgust of any and every worthwhile teacher everywhere for all time.

I'll put it in terms you claim to understand and you brag that you expected your students to understand and accept without recourse or explanation:

You flunked.

You flunked as a teacher.

You flunked as a teacher of mathematics.

You flunked as a responsible adult.

You flunked as a decent human being.

NO RE-EXAMS AND NO RE-EVALUATION OF THE GRADE.

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Gosh, Mr. Bdgee.

It sounds like you don't like the Munchkin Man.

That's too bad.

The Munchkin Man is a warm and compassionate and lovable little teddy bear.

The Munchkin Man hopes you calm down and feel better soon.

Best Wishes,

Munchkin Man

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quote:
Originally posted by Munchkin Man:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
this TPCD is awesome stuff.. you could probably make a killing writing a TV show....
most of 'em are crap anyway so you don't even need to be very creative, just use the TPCD angle...

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You have a good point there, Glassman.

The Munchkin Man has already gotten his "revenge."

Now it is time for the Munchkin Man to move on and use his God given creative writing talents to good use.

Thank you very much for the inspiration.

Good luck to you.

Best Wishes,

Munchkin Man

best wishes to you too Munchie, and when you are rich and famous be sure to remember who inspired you [Wink]

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Does the Munchkin Man constantly refer to himself in the third as part of his OCD ritual?

Back in the day.....in the rare situation that I knew I was gonna have a teacher like MM...I wouldnt even bother giving them the satisfaction, I would throw in the towel early and just bust the teachers BALLS!!!!!!

Did you at least offer tutoring or extra for the struggling......persistence gotta count for something in any situtation....except when refering to yourself in the third.....

first person to get Munchie to break character gets 20 bucks....

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quote:
Originally posted by Munchkin Man:
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee: Quoting R.L. Moore, known as the greatest teacher of mathematics that ever lived, "One teaches because it is his calling, one does mathematics because one can't not do mathematics".
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The greatest teacher of mathematics who ever lived?

The Munchkin Man never even heard of him.


I accept your claim as a fact.

If you were either a half decent mathematician or a responsible teacher of mathematics, you would have heard of him. The logic: if A or B, then C, implies if not C, then not A or B.

Modern mathematics could not exists in its present state without the mathematics he did. Modern mathematics could not exists in its present state without the mathematics his students did. He and his students make up more than just a significant portion of all the officers and leaders of both the American Mathematical Society and the Mathematical Associationb of America, ever. His publications and the publications of his studentss make up more than just a significant portion of all the publications in mathematics in the 20th and the 21st centuries. The publications of his student's student's amount to even more.

http://www.discovery.utexas.edu/rlm/method.html

Ann Rand, to whom the site you propose as a teaching model is devoted, along with her extreme philosophical approach to philosophy (never mathematics or eaching) stopped being a significant force in intellectual pursuits about the same time as the demise of early 20th century fascisrt states. There is little doubt that Moore's contributions to mathematics and his teaching methods will survive long after the 21st century.

Mathematics is that way, you see. It lives on forever and ever, though its creators are long dead....Euclid, Weirstrasse, Euler, Whyburn, Decart, Gause, Zeno, Sierpinsky, Lagrange, Moore (both E.H and R.L), Bing, , Pascal, Fermat, F.B. Jones, Kantor, Hilbert, and on and on and on - - -.

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Munchie, do you realise that when you gave all those bullies all those "fair" but harsh grades that they became frustrated and angry? Do you know who they took that anger out on? the kids that were just like you. when you go on to write all of your Tv shows? i hope you keep that in mind....

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jordanreed thinks the carpet muncher is a lying bully in disguise

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I don't jordanreed. I believe the egotistical crackpot is telling the truth about his activities. He is a sicko truth telling bully.
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MunchkinMan,

I want to share something with you.

Like Bigfoot commented earlier, there was a period of time during my schooling where I was not picked on. This was a time when we had a new student join our school. This new student, who was even less like the "norm" than I, suddenly became the new target of the bullies.

Unfortunately, I found myself liking the fact that this person was being bullied. At first, I simply said and did nothing, glad to no longer be the target of the bullying. But then, slowly, I joined in on the bullying and became a bully myself.

Even though I knew better, because I had all to recently been the bullied, I found that the same people who hated me before, now liked me. It felt good. It was my revenge, even though it was misplaced.

For months I mercilessly picked on this new student along with the rest of the bullies. I finally felt like I fit in.

This all changed when the new student cracked and attacked another student who was bullying them. Even though I was not involved in this particular incident, I know for a fact, through personal experience, that my constant bullying contributed to the culmination of this event.

As best as I understand it, (since I did not witness it), this student was only fighting back but several students, who were friends of the bullies that were involved, gave statements that the new student lashed out and attacked for no reason. As a result, the new student was expelled from our school and to my knowledge, ended up with criminal charges, as the student they attacked was severely injured.

Once the new student was gone, things returned to "normal" and I was once again the target. The same people who liked me days before, hated me again. I had now been on the other side though, and it changed how I saw things.

While my family and real friends helped me cope with the trauma of being bullied, it was this event that helped me understand why revenge is not the answer. It also helped me understand why some people are "part time" bullies, if you will.

To this day I regret my actions.

I do not know what became of the new student, nor whether or not they went on to have a normal life, but I do know, from my own experiences, that they probably never forgot me, or the rotten things I said and did to them. I know I haven't.

Many here, myself included, will say you are wrong in what you did to your students to get your "revenge"... But until you can realize this for yourself, our comments fall on deaf ears, and will mean little. It is up to you to come to this on your own, which, if you were bullied too, I am sure you will do at some point in your life.

Best of luck to you.

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But yu can't do it in the 3rd person. It requires standing up for yourself and putting an end to blaming the rest of the world....reality, not skewed disclaimers.
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To Mr. Bdgee:

The Munchkin Man would like to revisit a question that the Munchkin Man asked you earlier.

It was a question that you failed to answer.

Here is that question:
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How exactly have you been spending a "lifetime" correcting what you claim the Munchkin Man has done to the "young minds" you have described?
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Have you run into any of the Munchkin Man's former students?

That's what it sounds like if the Munchkin Man takes your claim literally.

Are you trying to say that you have spent a lifetime correcting what other teachers, who have a similar teaching style to that of the Munchkin Man, have done to young minds?

If so, then it sounds like you have run into a lot of students who were taught math in very much the same way that the Munchkin Man taught math.

Is the Munchkin Man on the right path?

If so, then it sounds like you have a deeply ingrained axe to grind against the Munchkin Man's personal teaching style, one which has been festering inside of you for a long time.

With such hostility, then how can you be truly objective about the Munchkin Man's style of teaching?

Think on these things.

Thanks in advance.

Very Sincerely,

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quote:
Originally posted by IWISHIHAD:


That's about the last time i did that Boy's and Girls club baseball team. I was suppose to just help out from time to time, but as what happens quite often for those teams as you know, every one bails and parents did not have the time, so it became full time for me. Like you i like working with the kids, but did not want the full time job.
I have a grandson starting soccer next year and my daughter already has me signed up as the coach. If you do not offer to coach, you are not guaranteed a spot on the team. Were talking about 4-5 year olds, we need about 10 coaches to keep their attention. I am not much into coaching soccer, but have done it about 4 years when my kids were growing up. This age group is fun, but in a different way, but like you know each has it's plus, i prefer the 8-15 year old range. Since my grandson is on the team we will have a great time as we always do. I know he is looking foward to it and the treats afterward, not sure what order at this point.

"Full-time job": lol, and how!...there were times I coached as many as three teams, plus arranging coaches for the other teams. At one point, we had slightly more than a hundred kids. (lol, sorry if you've read this before [Smile] )I did all the PR and all the fund-raising. Could only work (for pay, I mean) part-time... But I wouldn't trade those years for anything I can think of...

"4-5 year-olds": yikes, I don't think I could do that again... As you mention, the best age for really learning is sometime 8-12 in my experience. Although in general girls are ahead of boys in "coachability," each kid is different as far as when "the light bulb" snaps on. But somewhere in that age-range is where I'm most valuable: teach fundamentals during the week, then let the game teach on weekends. Is a beautiful process, really... Then it gets real good again, around "after 16" as far as the boys go... by that time they've years of the same system, their fundamentals are strong, yet they know they won't get a hickey for taking risks... That can get pretty awesome...

For the really young kids you're talking about, I prefer leagues that don't even keep score. The main lesson there is it's fun to get out and ask your body to fly around doing stuff... Plus, I have a problem with "little league" parents, if you know what I mean...? In one sense, I was lucky dealing with at-risk, inner-city kids cuz we had so had little parental involvement: not much support, but no meddling, either. The few times the "experts" wanted to "correct" my game strategy, all I hadda do was mention we needed assistant coaches...lol *poof* g-o-n-e. As you say, the tendency is to disappear re coaching, but what I mean, I can't tell you how many games we had no parents, or maybe 1-2, 3-4... of course, once we were well known, it changed somewhat...

However, lol, you're talking grandkids...doubt I could resist that. Must be a deep, deep joy...

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If so, then it sounds like you have run into a lot of students who were taught math in very much the same way that the Munchkin Man taught math.

i never had a math teacher that liked their job...
i could (easily) tell they hated it... and i hated math class too, but i still got a 660 SAT, so i musta picked up something in spite of all the loathing

and from your posts? its' obvious you hated it too...

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quote:
Originally posted by Munchkin Man:
To Mr. Bdgee:

The Munchkin Man would like to revisit a question that the Munchkin Man asked you earlier.

It was a question that you failed to answer.

Here is that question:
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How exactly have you been spending a "lifetime" correcting what you claim the Munchkin Man has done to the "young minds" you have described?
_________________

Have you run into any of the Munchkin Man's former students?

That's what it sounds like if the Munchkin Man takes your claim literally.

Are you trying to say that you have spent a lifetime correcting what other teachers, who have a similar teaching style to that of the Munchkin Man, have done to young minds?

If so, then it sounds like you have run into a lot of students who were taught math in very much the same way that the Munchkin Man taught math.

Is the Munchkin Man on the right path?

If so, then it sounds like you have a deeply ingrained axe to grind against the Munchkin Man's personal teaching style, one which has been festering inside of you for a long time.

With such hostility, then how can you be truly objective about the Munchkin Man's style of teaching?

Think on these things.

Thanks in advance.

Very Sincerely,

Munchkin Man

Muuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnchhhhhhhhieeeeeee, you bullied kids...maybe cuz you were bullied? who knows? only you can know. No one else can know, anymore than you can logically posit festering axe-grinds...No one needs to be objective about that "style" of teaching--objectively it's goofy; subjectively we *all* hated it.

Munch is lucky! Munch never had young Tex in Munch's class... [Razz]

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Greetings Natural Resources:

The Munchkin Man would like to thank you for a beautifully written and thought provoking testimonial on what it was like to be on both ends of the bullying experience.

In fact, it is one of the best pieces the Munchkin Man has ever read on the subject.

Yet, the Munchkin Man still does not believe that he ever crossed the line with the high and exacting standards he demanded from his students.

The Munchkin Man was tough.

The Munchkin Man was fair.

Believe it or not, the Munchkin Man was really a very caring and compassionate teacher.

The Munchkin Man would bend over backwards to help any student who truly sought his help.

The Munchkin Man was always willing to help any student who wanted to come to see him after school.

The problem was that the Munchkin Man usually had a number of students staying back for after school detention on almost every school day.

It was the Munchkin Man's love and aptitude for mathematics, along with the Munchkin Man's sense of fair play, which tempered the "revenge" he got from his students.

This "revenge" may have crossed the line and run amok if the Munchkin Man had chosen a different career, such as a police officer.

Fortunately, the Munchkin Man did not take that career path.

Besides, the Munchkin Man would have never made it in police academy anyway.

That's because the Munchkin Man has a fear of guns.

As it turned out, the Munchkin Man's "revenge" turned out to be nothing more than a set of standards which were higher than that of the typical teacher.

There is nothing wrong with high standards -- as long as your standards are fair and the means by which you evaluate how your students perform to your standards are fair.

The Munchkin Man always tried to be fair.

Therefore, the Munchkin Man has no regrets over the teaching practices he employed and the standards he upheld during his teaching career.

What the Munchkin Man does regret is having his teaching career run into the crosswinds of the touchy feely "self-esteem" movement.

It was this movement which brainwashed many teachers into dumbing down their academic standards and wet nursing their students to death with false and phony levels of self-esteem.

The Munchkin Man was out of place during this era.

The Munchkin Man has always been a staunch traditionalist.

The Munchkin Man was never a fan of John Dewey.

Maybe the Munchkin Man should have been born in a different era.

The Munchkin Man will now bring this to a close.

Thanks again for the great testimonial.

Good luck to you.

Best Wishes,

Munchkin Man

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
If so, then it sounds like you have run into a lot of students who were taught math in very much the same way that the Munchkin Man taught math.

i never had a math teacher that liked their job...
i could (easily) tell they hated it... and i hated math class too, but i still got a 660 SAT, so i musta picked up something in spite of all the loathing

and from your posts? its' obvious you hated it too...

man...that 3rd-person thingee is one thing...but the passive-aggresive chit just reeks...

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Munchkin Man,

Thank you for your kind words regarding my posts in this thread.

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Later on the Munchkin Man got his revenge.

The Munchkin Man became a math teacher and became the hardest teacher in the school.

The Munchkin Man was the only teacher in his entire school who would refuse to pass a student whose final average was only 1 point away from passing.

The Munchkin Man used to love to take out his little red pen and mark things wrong with big red Xs.

My comments were based on the context in which the word "revenge" was used.

To me, your use of the term "revenge" appears spiteful and it seems like your actions were done out of bitterness for things done to you in the past.

If I am incorrect in this interpretation, please forgive me.

Only you and your students know the truth about the events of which you speak, and I have no reason to doubt your word... So if you can look into your heart and honestly say you didn't cross the line, then I believe you.

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btw, NR?

That *was* a good post...

Is a dynamic often shrugged off as "part of growing up," but I know it shaped my life, significantly...

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Tex, you said it the way i wish i could write it, we have both seen the same things just different versions from kids and parents. Full time job for me now, i said that a little wrong, meant full time commitment to the team, did not want to be main man and all the responsibilites by myself this time, getting a little old for that, i just wanted to help with the kids that needed the most help. You really did have a full time job, i did remember that. They wanted me to take over and run the AAU baseball program a lot of years ago, but decided not to, so i kind of know what you mean. The nice part about soccer and basketball, you can run the kids a lot more to get some of that energy out of them, baseball is a little harder to keep them as busy. Girls in general seem to have that better attention span in those younger ages. I love that pharse "the light bulb snaps on". I still think back on some of the funny stories, a few maybe not so funny at the time. I learned a big lesson one day, at the end of practice just after throwing batting practice to the kids, the parents were there to pick them up, so i told them to spend some time throwing to their kids at home, so they could get more reps at batting. For several practices after this, one player seem to be shying away from the ball, his dad asked if he could throw batting practice, i said sure, he hits the batter, he could not throw the ball, so from then on i always suggested throwing tennis balls, unless i knew the dad could throw. I always used tennis balls on the kids all thru my coaching years, except maybe 20 reps each at practice with hard balls. I had an old Dudley Pitching Machine(i do not know if i told you the story of the pitching machine) in the batting cage i set up in the back yard, and thats all i used in it, then i would throw live arm with tennis balls also. One of my friends borrowed a radar gun from the police department one day, he worked there, he was curious how fast i could throw them. I was throwing them at 82mph little league distance(or a little under) and those tennis balls can move around to. I had kids over at my house for batting practice all thru high school, and a lot of these kids had since gone on to other high schools to play. I would get those calls quite often from the kids asking me if they could come over to hit, they were in a slump or wanted more reps. It was great fun, all those years the time spent was so worth it. So many parents miss so much by not getting involved in their kids activities.
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