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Gordon Bennett
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This thread is specially for all you Bush lovin', gay bashin', civil rights crushin', Word-of-God distortin', Constitution bashin' sons (and daughters) of guns.

This place is for you to post all the great reasons you are among the 30% of people that will lick the jackboots of the GOP forever, no matter what!

Git 'er Done...

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Well Gordo...

I don't care for Bush at all...hetero or homo, it's none of my business...UAW member for over 30 years (definatly pro civil rights)...Believe in God but don't push it on others...However...I guess that you can label me a Conservative because I don't believe that killing unborn babies should be a CHOICE...I do believe in the constitution and the right to bear arms, and, I don't ever want to be associated with any party that thinks like you!!! Nuff said...

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Thanks for your input, retiredat49! A couple questions:

1. You have problems with a party that thinks the way I think? I'm unclear on this; can you please be any more specific?

2. How do you feel about capital punishment?

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1. I've read your ramblings...they are getting old.
Specifics...All Christians are kool aid drinking right wing extremists...It's okay to kill babies, but killing animals for food is inhumane...etc.

2. As I do believe in accountability (probably my biggest issue with liberals), I don't get a warm and fuzzy feeling about killing someone for their crimes...I believe hard criminals deserve hard time (not a comfy prison cell and a college education).

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You clearly don't understand how I think at all.

First, I don't believe that "all Christians are kool aid drinking right wing extremists," some of my best friends are Christians.

I don't believe that "it's okay to kill babies." I also don't believe that the government has a place in our bedrooms and family planning decisions. Do you?

"Killing animals for food is inhumane?" Tell that to the chicken I had for dinner.

I'm still unclear on your capital punishment stance. Are you saying you are strongly against it on ethical grounds? (No one who is not mentally ill gets "warm and fuzzy" over it.)

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No...I do not understand how you think...that is for sure.

You state that you don't believe that it is OK to kill babies...yet the party that you belong to ENDORSES it, and then hides behind it with statements like (we don't want the government to have a place in our bedrooms and family planning). The planning should start before conception...NOT after. Lets say that I have a 1 year old that just doesn't work with my family plan any longer...should I legally be allowed to murder that child?...should the government have a place in that decision? It all goes back to the accountability issue...

As far as the capital punishment issue...I have wrestled with that for many years now and am still rather torn on the issue...here's why.
If someone ATTEMPTED to injure or kill one of my children, friends, or family members I would have no qualms about killing that person in an instant and, I would have no regrets about doing so...therefore if someone DID kill one of my children, family members or friends I would probably feel the same way. How about you?

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a life is not a life until it can breathe on its own...look it up..

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hmmm so an infant on a breathing machine is what exactly? Free to be disposed of?
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try using your brain power to figure out the meaning of what i said..then , maybe, you wouldn,t ask such an ignorant question

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get r done! yee haw! woo hoo! gotta go fix my tractor now. bye bye try not to kill any babies while I'm gone
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When you declare, as I see being done here, what the thoughts of others are and what you choose to believe them to be, you have written a lot about yourself and your way of thinking.

For the last 30 years, anyone that uses the label "liberal" and declares what "liberals" think or want starts out with a crippling bias where honesty is concerned. I doubt that you know what you are talking about, since you are simply hopping onto the far rightwing hate-speach bandwagon. The ride of the simple minded....of the sound-bite, in a way.

It is absolutely false that whatever you don't like is "liberal" and whatever you do like is concervative (and it is extremely insulting.....intentionally?), however, that is the bent insisted on by the far rightwing religious nut faction of our society (and for that matter, of Moslems too and any other fanatic religious group), which constantly is demanding governmental control of the most basic "intimacies" of human life, with no regard for the religious (or other) concerns of others. (If you can't respect, how can you expect to be respected?)

Open mindedness IS NOT LIBERAL, whatever you may believe, religiously, politically, or personally, yet that is the obvious and consistant claim you present. Get off the uncompromising "my way or the highway mentality of the far right. That is NOT rational and you are demanding that those without your religious limitation be equally limited.

Quoting Harry Truman, "GO CLEAN YOUR OWN BACK YARD FIRST!".

Quoting me, "STAY THE HELL OUT OF MY LIFE WITH YOUR MAGIC AND WITCHCRAFT AND BIGOTRY!".

Why can't you mind your own business and respect the one universal standard of this Nation, its Constitution?

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now that was funny. im sure it was unintentional though.
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I don't doubt that you think it is funny.

Instead of weighing critism, like the shrubbery, you sneer and trash rather than consider and think.

Perhaps you have pointed out, even to yourself,why you get no respect.

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im not gonna sit here and argue with you guys. There is no persuading a liberal. I'd much rather just laugh at you.
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Yeah, being rational and thoughtful undermines your entire method of assault.
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quote:
Originally posted by Gordon Bennett:
...." some of my best friends are Christians.

Best friends? Gordon, chat room buddies don't really count when you're tallying up your list of "best friends", unless they're the only friends you..........oops, nevermind. Silly me.
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quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
quote:
Originally posted by Gordon Bennett:
...." some of my best friends are Christians.

Best friends? Gordon, chat room buddies don't really count when you're tallying up your list of "best friends", unless they're the only friends you..........oops, nevermind. Silly me.
I don't mean this to be taken negatively, but......

I really think that deriding another for his religious feeling or the religions of his friends is a bit out of line.

If you are unable to accept debate on religious matters, attacking the person or personality is not a suitable contribution, if it is any sort of a contrabution to debate.

And I really believe that demeaning a person with accusations of whether or not he has friends is a cheap shot.

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quote:
Originally posted by jordanreed:
a life is not a life until it can breathe on its own...look it up..

Look it up where?

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Cheap shots, abound.

I understand where Upside is coming from, though.

He's not really angry with me, he's angry that I present so many facts and ideas that cause him discomfort.

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Well, here's one you can look up.

In order to be a citizen, one must either be born a citizen or be "naturalized", making it clear that a fetus short of being born is not.

"Look it up where?" In the Constitution.

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So...are you saying that it is OK to murder anyone that is NOT a citizen?

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I think you just closed the case, bdgee!

Have you noticed that no one has presented a valid argument for being a conservative yet?

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I saw that one coming a mile away. Yes, retiredat49, that's EXACTLY what bdgee is saying. LOL [Big Grin]

Have you noticed that no one has presented a valid argument for being a conservative yet?

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Originally posted by retiredat49:
So...are you saying that it is OK to murder anyone that is NOT a citizen?



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Why must you far right-wingers insist on misinterpret things to be something that was simply never even inferred?

Are you really so deficient in logic and reason?

It is the same mistake you make when you claim that the Bill of Rights is limited to those with citizenship. The Constitution never mentions citizenship in the rights granted in the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights provide a list of limits and responsibilities of the government,instead of listing freedoms.

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If they didn't feign misunderstanding, they would have to actually present reasonable arguments for their particular views -- reasonable arguments which, in most cases, simply do not exist.


quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
Why must you far right-wingers insist on misinterpret things to be something that was simply never even inferred?



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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:

Are you really so deficient in logic and reason?


No...logic and reason tells me that citizenship was never part of this topic until you referenced it...life and when it starts was the debate...again the question was...where do we look it up?

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You'll find everything you need at: www.google.com [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by retiredat49:
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:

Are you really so deficient in logic and reason?


No...logic and reason tells me that citizenship was never part of this topic until you referenced it...life and when it starts was the debate...again the question was...where do we look it up?
Man, can you screw things around!

This was NOT a thread on " life and when it starts was the debate", as you claim.

I quote:

"This thread is specially for all you Bush lovin', gay bashin', civil rights crushin', Word-of-God distortin', Constitution bashin' sons (and daughters) of guns.

This place is for you to post all the great reasons you are among the 30% of people that will lick the jackboots of the GOP forever, no matter what!

Git 'er Done..."

You have used no reason or logic to completely misdirect facts. It is amazing you can think of being totally wrong as having used logic and reason.

Get real.

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bdgee...you have got to be the dumbest self proclaimed intellectual that I have ever come across...maybe you should have actually read what was written in this thread before bringing up citizenship...which, by the way, has nothing to do with the title of this thread either!

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amen to retiredat49!
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quote:
"When you declare, as I see being done here, what the thoughts of others are and what you choose to believe them to be, you have written a lot about yourself and your way of thinking."
Kinda funny that anyone posting in here would say that, especially considering the first post of this thread. Gordo, I suggest you listen to the enlightening words of wisdom put forth by your posting buddy.

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quote:
Originally posted by retiredat49:
bdgee...you have got to be the dumbest self proclaimed intellectual that I have ever come across...maybe you should have actually read what was written in this thread before bringing up citizenship...which, by the way, has nothing to do with the title of this thread either!

Oh, my. A fool that can't (or won't) read.

I have read all of this thread. Obviously you have not.

Once again, you do not have the privilege of declaring what can and can't be considered or broached in the various threads here.

As to the topic of this one in particular, the only poster in this thread that assumed the thread topic is abortion is you.

Cleartly, you don't have anything else that you feel competent in talking about. Let me assure you you don't handle that well either.

Contrary to your approach, debate and discussion do not depend on shouting, name calling, insulting, and changing the subject when you can't handle the facts.

No one here has ever said killing babies or anyting similar is a good thing. BUT YOU KEEP CLAIMING THEY HAVE.

ENOUGH OF THAT INSULTING TRASH!

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The "conservative" motto: Baffle 'em with b.s. until they give up.

Have you noticed that no one has presented a valid argument for being a conservative yet?

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Gordon- since it's pretty clear you don't consider yourself a conservative, what would you label yourself?

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being a conservative gives you the chance to wear a I am stupid badge with pride
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