quote:Originally posted by whats4supper? lol..: Nevada. It's all but signed from what I understand and is permitted currently with the possesion allowence.
Thats the way it should be everywhere. If I'm not mistaken you will only get a ticket with less than an oz in CA and AZ. Not a bad start.
Lots of people are unaware but medical marijuana also comes in a pill form called Marinol. I've administered the med before to patients here in FL. Its an antiemetic which of course helps with nausea and appetite. A very good benefit, esp with chemotherapy.
I'm with 10, I'd rather relax by taking a puff rather than poisioning my liver. But to each's own.
Legalize the weed!!! lol
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Use for medicinal purposes I think is ok. Other wise I think it is promoting the use. jmo......I dont know much but I did stay in a Holliday Inn last night.
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quote:Originally posted by andrew: Use for medicinal purposes I think is ok. Other wise I think it is promoting the use. jmo......I dont know much but I did stay in a Holliday Inn last night.
The government is already promoting the use of alcohol and Tobbaco, no? I Think Pot would do less harm then both.
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I rather be on the road with people that left a Pot Cafe high, then someone who left a bar drunk.
Or I'm sure kids would rather their high father play with them, than a drunk father beating or sexualy abusing them.
And Tobbaco....There's no rat posion or nicotine in Pot.
And all of the money wasted on good people in prison, just for holding a green plant istead of a red one, can be put to better use. Actually we can make money on the tax on pot.
And weed is always gonna be around no matter what...But gangs don't have to. If Government regulated the sale of Pot, Gangs would be in business. And buyers wouldn't have to worry about wheather the pot has bad stuff it, or is it safe.
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No need to bring tobaco into this debate. I know that are are plenty of people that will tell you that tobaco is a drug to but, camels never f'd someone up so bad that they piled into on coming traffic. If you're going to lump all "drugs" together, add viagra to the list. THere has to be some 70 year old guy out there that has driven his car through a crowd because he was gettin a BJ because of his first stiff one in 30 years, Now that i think about it, did anyone test that guy that plowed through the farmers market for viagra? He might have been by himself but that doesn't mean anyhting ( nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more).
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Your American weed is as weak as your American beer. Your alchohol bars serve watered down cat piss and call it beer. Your new pot bars will serve lawn grass and call it weed.
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quote:Originally posted by Nirvana: Your American weed is as weak as your American beer. Your alchohol bars serve watered down cat piss and call it beer. Your new pot bars will serve lawn grass and call it weed.
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I'm curious...are there going to be detectors to measure ones marijuana content, what would be an expectable level of "highness"...same penalties as alchohol or more severe?
Thats the emerging market...find the company that can make a breathalizer to pick up traces of marijuana and you have yourself a winner...police departments across the country would be buying...
I personally don't smoke, never have and most probably never will...just interested in the all the trickle down legal and market ramifications...
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quote:Originally posted by Nirvana: Your American weed is as weak as your American beer. Your alchohol bars serve watered down cat piss and call it beer. Your new pot bars will serve lawn grass and call it weed.
Not entirely true. Overall yes...But some real dealers get their seeds from over seas.
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This is my exact point. You have good climents to sustain outdoor growth. And you have access to hydroponic equipment, but you must either get your weed from another country or you must get your seeds from another country. Otherwise nobody wants to smoke your indigenous weed.
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quote:Originally posted by Nirvana: This is my exact point. You have good climents to sustain outdoor growth. And you have access to hydroponic equipment, but you must either get your weed from another country or you must get your seeds from another country. Otherwise nobody wants to smoke your indigenous weed.
so?..
another point...why are you so mean? smoke another and chill a little...
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?What difference does it make where seeds originate?
The "bigger picture" includes but is not limited to the opportunities that exist and impact on the infrastructer as it relates to the tax base at the national level, state and local revenue distributions as a result of the added income to the treasuries of said governments of the United States. Setting aside the "named commodity", if one proceeds to examine the math based on "supply and demand protocols" one will find a new, viable contributor to the US economy at what ever level results in "Retail Sales", it doesn't matter. !!Its a revenue stream and then is desribed as an "Agricultural Product". These are the realities and exist. this is what I see when we speak of the legalization.
There are H & S issues also to be considered: impact stuies are required before a bill can become a law. The hypothysis would typically be instituted with heavy regulation at the Federal level.
bottom line,
1. It may not pass and life goes on. 2. It may pass and life goes on.
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Voters in 3 states say no to legalizing marijuana Nov 8, 2006 By Jeff Robinson Baptist Press NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--Voters defeated three pro-marijuana measures Nov. 7 that would have legalized use of the drug in three states -- Colorado, Nevada and South Dakota.
Barrett Duke, vice president for public policy and research of the Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, noted: “Despite the plays on people’s emotions, the majority of voters recognized that it is foolish to weaken laws on marijuana usage.
“Marijuana is a very dangerous drug. Anything we can do to help prevent access to it will result in many lives being spared its destructive effects,” Duke told Baptist Press.
In Colorado, Amendment 44, which would have allowed adults 21 and over to possess up to an ounce of marijuana, lost by nearly a 2-1 margin. So unpopular was the initiative, it won only half the vote in traditionally liberal Boulder County.
Robert McGuire, spokesman for the Colorado Chapter of Save Our Society from Drugs and a leader of the opposition of Amendment 44, said he is pleased with the resoundingly negative response to the measure.
“Our goal was to beat it badly enough so we don’t see it again on the ballot,” McGuire said.
Even if it had passed, Amendment 44 wouldn't have technically made smoking marijuana legal in Colorado. It is still a violation of federal drug laws -- though federal drug enforcement officials said publicly they will not actively seek to arrest and convict users in possession of an ounce or less.
The Nevada initiative was similar to the one in Colorado. Question 7 would have allowed Nevada residents 21 years of age or older to possess up to an ounce of marijuana but was being rejected by 56 percent of voters with 1,620 of 1,913 precincts statewide reporting late Wednesday morning.
If the initiatives had passed, they would have made Colorado and Nevada the first states to legalize marijuana use for recreational purposes. Previously, several states -- including Colorado -- passed medical marijuana initiatives that allowed for the distribution of the drug for those battling illness.
Rob Kampia, executive director for Marijuana Policy Project (MPP), touted the “huge progress” in Nevada since a 61-39 loss on a similar initiative four years ago. MPP is a pro-marijuana group that “works to minimize the harm associated with marijuana -- both the consumption of marijuana and the laws that are intended to prohibit such use.”
In South Dakota, Initiated Measure 4 was patterned after laws in 11 states legalizing marijuana for medical usage. Passage looked doubtful Wednesday morning with 141,734 votes against legalized use compared with 127,713 votes in favor, a 53-47 margin, with 743 precincts out of 818 reporting.
Those who opposed the initiative had argued that approval of the measure would have led to open marijuana use, and the public might think that it is the only medicine effective for certain ailments.
Those in favor argued in part that marijuana can relieve seriously ill patients' discomfort and even save lives. Currently under South Dakota law, patients who use marijuana can be sentenced to a year in prison and fined $2,000.
But there is something more subtle and sinister behind the push for legalizing pot for medical purposes, Duke said.
“I’m sure that many people who support the so-called medicinal use of marijuana are very genuine in their concern for people’s suffering. However, it is obvious that others see this issue as a first step toward complete legalization of the drug. We must recognize that the medical marijuana issue is the Trojan Horse of the marijuana legalization movement.
“To use people’s suffering as a subterfuge for such a sinister goal is despicable. I agree that we must do all we can to help people find ways to alleviate their pain and to deal with issues like appetite loss during therapy. I am not oblivious or insensitive to the pain and need of those who are suffering, but relaxing our guard against marijuana is not the answer. I encourage people to look for better, safer solutions.”
Several nonbinding pro-marijuana measures passed in two smaller municipalities in Massachusetts, in Missoula County, Mont., and three California cities -- Santa Cruz, Santa Barbara and Santa Monica. These measures direct law enforcement agencies to make arrests for marijuana possession their lowest priority.
Pro-marijuana advocates were encouraged by these smaller victories and say voters in Nevada, and possibly other states, will get another opportunity to vote on legalizing pot.
“The momentum is with us,” Kampia said. “We plan to try again with another marijuana initiative in Nevada in 2008 or 2010.”
Duke said he is troubled by the idea of making marijuana enforcement a low priority and sees it as a dangerous trend.
“Unfortunately, some communities have voted to ask their local law enforcement officials to look the other way on marijuana violations [which could] very well provide the slippery slope those who want to legalize marijuana are looking for,” Duke said.
“I encourage these communities to reevaluate this request and to reverse it at the earliest possible opportunity. If they do not, they may discover too late that their decision provided the opportunity for the forces of legalization to use their communities in their efforts to undermine the nation’s drug-control strategy.”
On drug legalization in general, Duke added, “I repeat my call for better enforcement of our drug laws, better treatment programs for people using drugs, more anti-drug education programs and harsher penalties for those who distribute drugs.” --30--
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A History of the Diesel EngineA History of Biodiesel/Biofuels Concurrent histories of the diesel engine and biofuels are necessary to understand the foundation for today's perception of biofuels, in general, and biodiesel, in particular. The history of biofuel is more political and economical than technological. The process for making fuel from biomass feedstock used in the 1800's is basically the same one used today. It was the influences of the industrial magnates during the 1920's and 1930's on both the politics and economics of those times that created the foundation for our perceptions today. Transesterification of vegetable oils has been in use since the mid-1800's. More than likely, it was originally used to distill out the glycerin used for making soap. The "by-products" of this process are methyl and ethyl esters. Biodiesel is composed of these esters. Ethyle esters are grain based while methyl esters are wood based. They are the residues of creating glycerin, or vice versa. Any source of complex fatty acid can be used to create biodiesel and glycerin. Early on, peanut oil, hemp oil, corn oil, and tallow were used as sources for the complex fatty acids used in the separation process. Currently, soybeans, rapeseed (or its cousin, canola oil), corn, recycled fryer oil, tallow, forest wastes, and sugar cane are common resources for the complex fatty acids and their by-product, biofuels. Research is being done into oil production from algae, which could have yields greater than any feedstock known today. Ethanol and methanol are two other familiar biofuels. Distillation of grain or wood, resulting in an ethyl or methyl alcohol, is the process by which these two biofuels are created. Ethanol, made from soybeans or corn, is a common biofuel in the midwest. The viscosity of the "original" biodiesel is lowered by adding approximately 10% methanol or ethanol to the biodiesel esters. Methanol is prefered because there has a more reliable and predictable biodiesel reaction. However, ethanal is less toxic and is always produced from a renewable resource. The lower viscosity brings biodiesl in line with the viscosity requirements of today's diesel engines, making it a major competitor to petroleum based diesel fuel. In 1898, when Rudolph Diesel first demonstrated his compression ignition engine at the World's Exhibition in Paris, he used peanut oil - the original biodiesel. Diesel believed biomass fuel to be viable alternative to the resource consuming steam engine. Vegetable oils were used in diesel engines until the 1920's when an alteration was made to the engine, enabling it to use a residue of petroleum - what is now known as diesel #2. Diesel was not the only inventor to believe that biomass fuels would be the mainstay of the transportation industry. Henry Ford designed his automobiles, beginning with the 1908 Model T, to use ethanol. Ford was so convinced that renewable resources were the key to the success of his automobiles that he built a plant to make ethanol in the Midwest and formed a partnership with Standard Oil to sell it in their distributing stations. During the 1920's, this biofuel was 25% of Standard Oil's sales in that area. With the growth of the petroleum industry Standard Oil cast its future with fossil fuels. Ford continued to promote the use of ethanol through the 1930's. The petroleum industry undercut the biofuel sales and by 1940 the plant was closed due to the low prices of petroleum. Despite the fact that men such as Henry Ford, Rudolph Diesel, and subsequent manufacturers of diesel engines saw the future of renewable resource fuels, a political and economic struggle doomed the industry. Manufacturing industrialists made modifications to the diesel engines so they could take advantage of the extremely low prices of the residual, low-grade fuel now offered by the petroleum industry. The petroleum companies wanted control of the fuel supplies in the United States and, despite the benefits of biomass fuel verses the fossil fuels, they moved ahead to eliminate all competition. One player in the biofuel, paper, textile, as well as many other industries, was hemp. Hemp had been grown as a major product in America since colonial times by such men as George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and has had both governmental and popular support. Hemp's long history in civilization and the multitude of products that can be derived from this single plant has made it one of the most valuable and sustainable plants in the history of mankind. More importantly to the biofuel industry, hemp provided the biomass that Ford needed for his production of ethanol. He found that 30% hemp seed oil is usable as a high-grade diesel fuel and that it could also be used as a machine lubricant and an engine oil. In the 1930's, the industrialists entered the picture. William Randolph Hurst, who produced 90% of the paper in the United States, Secretary of Treasury, Andrew Mellon, who was a major financial backer for the DuPont Company which ha d just patented the chemical necessary to process wood pulp into paper, the Rockefellers, and other "oil barons", who were developing vast empires from petroleum, all had vested interest in seeing the renewable resources industry derailed, the hemp industry eliminated, and biomass fuels derided. A campaign was begun to discredit hemp. Playing on the racism that existed in America, Hurst used his newspapers to apply the name "marijuana" to hemp. Marijuana is the Mexican word for the hemp plant. This application along with various "objective" articles began to create a fear. By 1937, these industrialists were able to parlay the fear they created into the Marijuana Tax Act. This law was the precursor to the demise of the hemp industry in the United States and the resultant long reaching effect on the biofuel, petroleum and many other industries. Within three years, Ford closed his biofuel plant. At the beginning of World War II, the groundwork for our current perceptions of biofuels was in place. First, the diesel engine had been modified, enabling it to use Diesel #2. Second, the petroleum industry had established a market with very low prices for a residual product. Third, a major biomass industry was being shut down. Corn farmers were unable to organize at that time and provide a potential product to replace hemp as a biomass resource. Finally, industries with immense wealth behind them were acting in concert to push forward their own agenda - that of making more wealth for themselves. It is interesting to note that, during World War II, the United States government launched a slogan campaign, "Hemp for Victory", to encourage farmers to plant this discredited plant. Hemp made a multitude of indispensable contributions to the war effort. It is also interesting that, during World War II, both the Allies and Nazi Germany utilized biomass fuels in their machines. Despite its use during World War II, biofuels remained in the obscurity to which they had been forced. Post war brought new cars and increased petroleum use. The petroleum industries quietly bought the trolley car systems that ran on electricity and were a major part of the transportation infrastructure system. They dismantled them. The trolleys were then sporadically replaced with diesel buses. These industries also pushed the government to build roads, highways, and freeways ("the ultimate solution to all our transportation and traffic problems"), so the automobiles they produced had a place to operate. This newly created transportation infrastructure was built with public funds, supporting and aiding the growth and strength of the petroleum, automobile, and related industries. By the 1970's, we were dependent on foreign oil. Our supply of crude oil, as are all supplies of fossil fuels, was limited. In 1973 we experienced the first of two crises. OPEC, the Middle Eastern organization controlling the majority of the oil in the world, reduced supplies and increased prices. The second one came five years later in 1978. As was noted in the Diesel Engine section, automobile purchasers began to seriously consider the diesel car as a option. What is more, people began making their own biofuel. The potential of biofuels reentered the public consciousness. The years since have brought many changes. Over 200 major fleets in the United States now run on biodiesl with entities such as the United States Post Office, the US Military, metropolitan transit systems, agricultural concerns, and school districts being major users. The biodiesel produced today can be used in unmodified diesel engines in almost all temperatures. It can be used in the individual automobile or larger engines and machines. The base biomass comes from soybeans and corn in the Midwest with tallow from the slaughter industries becoming a third source. Sugar cane provides the biomass for Hawaii and forest wastes are becoming a source in the Northwest. The embargo on Cuba halted oil importation depriving it of heating oil. They discovered that recycled fryer oil made a good biomass for fuel. Today, the fast food industry is the one of the largest and fastest growing industries in the United States and, in fact, the world. This industry can provide a major resource for biofuels - the recycled fryer oil. The Veggie Van traveled 25,000 miles around the United States on recycled fryer oil as did a group of women. In Europe at this time, there is an option for biodiesel in many gas stations and vehicles that use diesel are readily available. Over 1000 stations in Germany alone offer biodiesel for their customers. Over 5% of all of France's energy uses are provided by biodiesel. Journey to Forever, a non-government organization, traveled from Hong Kong to Southern Africa producing their own biodiesel along the way and teaching the people of the small hamlets and villages how to make their own biofuel for use in their heaters, tractors, buses, automobiles, and other machines they might have. We have the opportunity and the resources to shed our dependence on foreign oil, if we choose. As in the 1930's, we are faced with tremendous political and economic pressure creating similar challenges. The enormous influence of the petroleum industries and other industries that might be threatened and/or impacted by a resurgence of the renewable, biomass, and associated industries is being felt on all levels. One only needs to look to Washington to see how that pressure is being played out. It is a time of choice and one in which small actions can lead to greater impact. Biodiesel remains in the political and economic arena and is playing a part in this process as the awareness alternative fuel spreads through the consciousness of the general public
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