quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: The thing you can blame for pot's luster is MTV. That's where our youth are told every five minutes life is better when you are high. Life is better when you sell drugs. Life is better when you make every bad decision possible.
LOL relentless, you just showed your age....
i remember when Cheech and Chong were selling albums with giant sized rolling papers....
yeah albums, those big vinyl things with the two long grooves on them....
i wonder if anybody has one with the paper still intact?
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And well before Cheech and Chong there was Barry Goldwater explaining he had been smoking it around campfires all his life and hadn't seen it hurt anyone.
Hell, the stuff is a native plant in a lot of the country and if you live where it is and you learn to, I'll bet you can find some in a roadside ditch within a few miles from town, if not in some vacant lot in town. And don't be fooled by that bilge that the native stuff ain't potent enough.....just depends on the growing conditions.
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Colorado Attorney General to debate marijuana activist over Amendment 44
DENVER - The debate over Amendment 44 will heat up on Tuesday when Colorado's Attorney General faces off against a local marijuana activist.
Attorney General John Suthers will speak in opposition of Amendment 44. Mason Tvert, campaign director for Safer Alternative for Enjoyable Recreation (SAFER), will speak in favor of marijuana reform.
Amendment 44 is a statewide issue that would legalize personal possession of less than one ounce of marijuana for people over the age of 21 if it passes. A similar initiative passed in the city of Denver last November.
The debate is being held at the Gates Concert Hall in the Newman Center for the Performing Arts at the University of Denver.
"Ballot Measures 101: Issues and Insights" is free and open to the public and will be aired on tape-delay on 9NEWS.
The event will be hosted by 9NEWS reporter Adam Schrager and will be streamed in its entirety on 9NEWS.com.
DENVER -- Supporters of an initiative that would legalize possession of small amounts of marijuana said Tuesday they will ask a judge to block the state from distributing a voters guide, claiming it is misleading.
Mason Tvert, campaign director for Safer Alternative for Enjoyable Recreation, said the voter guide incorrectly claims the initiative would allow people to transfer up to one ounce of marijuana to juveniles 15 and older as long as there is no compensation. The voter guide notes that possession for people under 21 would still be illegal.
The voter guide, known as the blue book because of its cover, is printed by the state and distributed to voters to explain initiatives on the November ballot. It includes statements submitted by supporters and opponents of initiatives on the changes that would be made to state laws.
This year's blue book was approved last week by the Legislative Council. The final draft said that Amendment 44 would legalize the possession of less than one ounce of marijuana, and "possession" includes consumption or use of marijuana as long as it's not in public, and transferring up to an ounce of marijuana to someone 15 years or older.
Tvert said the marijuana initiative would not change current state laws that bar contributing to the delinquency of a minor and make distribution of any amount of marijuana to minors under age 18 a felony.
"For some reason, the Legislative Council wants to make this about children. It's not," Tvert said. "The Legislative Council has perpetrated an act of fraud upon the people and the voters of Colorado ... The Legislative Council wants people to believe that our initiative would make it legal for adults to give small amounts of marijuana to minors. That, in no uncertain terms, is a lie."
"We don't and certainly would never perpetrate a fraud on the public," said Kirk Mlinek, the director of research for the Legislative Council.
Mlinek said the wording is derived from existing law and is an impartial analysis of the proposal.
"For the past 70 years, officials at all levels of government have lied, exaggerated, and used every dirty trick in the book in order to keep marijuana illegal. This is just one more example," said Tvert, at a press conference on the steps of the Capitol.
"He's dead wrong and I think those accusations are reckless and wrong," said Rep. Andrew Romanoff, the House Speaker. "It's not the job of the Legislative Council to fix flawed ballot measures on their way to the ballot."
Romanoff said the people who compile the Blue Book don't take sides; they simply explain what the proposal is, and then present both sides of the argument. He said the opponents of the marijuana ballot measure didn't like the wording either and tried to get the Legislative Council to strengthen the arguments against it.
"They didn't get what they wanted, but they're not suing the Legislative Council or trashing the staff who work for us. And I think that sort of behavior is reckless, unwarranted, and deeply disappointing to me," Romanoff said.
David Evans, an opponent of the initiative, said supporters want to eliminate the crime of possession of marijuana from state statutes, which could allow juveniles under 18 to possess the drug.
"I don't think it's ambiguous at all," Evans said.
Tvert and his group plan to file suit to block the blue book on Wednesday.
Even if Amendment 44 passes, it would still be against federal law to possess marijuana and it would be against state law to grow marijuana.
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Hello, I can attest that pot legalization isn't all glory, I was recently addicted to it. Quit a few months ago - though there are many people who would not get hooked like I did. (I must say that quiting pot is relatively not very hard assuming you get rid of people who smoke it around you - quitting cigarrettes - now that is one of the most addictive and hardest things to quit ever! Tobacco IS more addictive than just about any other drug including cocaine) Overall I'm of the opinion that we are experiencing all of the bad effects from marijuana now. Thus legalizing it would alleviate the bad effects that are purely a result of it being illegal and in the black market.
As a former buyer of an illegal drug (pot), I had access to cocaine and several other drugs (which were things some pot dealers happened to also sell). If pot were legal, then those connections would not have existed, and I would never even have been tempted.
It is a shame that marijuana does dull the brain to an extent - but I completely agree that there should be more stoner parents than alcoholic parents... Ever hear of a raging abusive stoner? People do get into trouble on pot, but often they are coked up to - when they are finally tested the blow is out of their system and they go down under the stat of being an offender under the influence of pot - I think the same with driving accidents, that a person probably was drinking and smoking, and the drink left their body before they were tested.
READ THIS PARAGRAPH! I saw a gov't commercial a while back - said that johnny had bought a dime bag from his dealer. His dealer was supplied by terrorists - thus the dime bag went to support terrorism. OK, so organized dealers support terrorism. But, what if as an American citizen I grow my own pot - with the intention of consuming it myself, and giving it to my friends so that none of us have to go to our dealer that supports terrorism. I then assert, that the US gov't by cutting down my plants is supporting terrorism.
Even forbes magazine had an issue that essentially said that it makes economic sense to legalize it. Unofficialy Tennessee economic revenue is %40 from pot growers.
Looking at the gov't anit-pot debate points - they are all BS... there really is not a very strong argument against pot. Furthermore, pot is one of the best medication for nausau - on top of that people can smoke it with vaporizers - which do not burn the plant matter. Pot is harmful mainly because you are burning carbon when you smoke it, and carbon is a carcinogen. Vaporizing involves no burning, and thus you are not inhaling carbon fumes.
Furthermore there are many great uses from the hemp fiber. It can be used as rebar in concrete to make it about twice as strong and a quarter the weight. The fiber is one of the strongest in the world - since the fiber can be as long as the stalk of the plant (several feet) whereas a cotton fiber tends to be at most 4-6 inches long (and the longer the fiber the stronger). They used to use hemp for rope in the navy because hemp rope is strong. Hemp clothing last a long time. The constitution was written on hemp paper and is still around.
Also, pot laws are not color blind. The laws go with how much weight you have, not potency. To be a bit blunt, white people tend to smoke more expensive higher potency pot - black people are unfortunate in that since they have lower potency pot, they carry more on them, since they require more to get roughly the same level of high. And funny enough the cut off points are set just about right to make sure that if you are carrying the typical amount a white person would carry (1.5-3.5grams) you would not get in much trouble, but the typical amount a black person would carry (if smoking schwag) would be about 7-28 grams. After about 7 grams you automatically get an intent to sale, which usually has a 1-2 year minimum...
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I have Crohns disease. I've had it for 15 yrs now. I've tried every medication and treatment known for the disease and the bottom line is, Nothing comes close to easing the pain and discomfort of my problem like pot. Not only that but when I'm having a flare up of Crohns, my appetite goes away, eating is LAST on my list. I've tried the medications that make me hungry but the side effects were horrible. Pot makes me hungry ! If I didnt smoke it, I would probably be less than 100 lbs.
It's what I would consider a "Non violent drug"
No worse than alchohol.
I dont support terrorist's when I buy a bag. Mine is locally grown and harvested and the small group it supplie's is well trusted, hard working profesionals and probably the last people you would think of that smoke it.
I'm 42 yrs old, raised 4 responsible children, own my home, pay my bills, no criminal record (not even a traffic ticket).
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I have Crohns disease. I've had it for 15 yrs now. I've tried every medication and treatment known for the disease and the bottom line is, Nothing comes close to easing the pain and discomfort of my problem like pot. Not only that but when I'm having a flare up of Crohns, my appetite goes away, eating is LAST on my list. I've tried the medications that make me hungry but the side effects were horrible. Pot makes me hungry ! If I didnt smoke it, I would probably be less than 100 lbs.
It's what I would consider a "Non violent drug"
No worse than alchohol.
I dont support terrorist's when I buy a bag. Mine is locally grown and harvested and the small group it supplie's is well trusted, hard working profesionals and probably the last people you would think of that smoke it.
I'm 42 yrs old, raised 4 responsible children, own my home, pay my bills, no criminal record (not even a traffic ticket).
Do I deserve to be in jail if caught with pot ?
G.
I hope you get healed, if not you might want to try this...It's easier on the lungs.
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No healing from Crohns. Already have had 4 surgery's to remove damaged portions of my intestine. From the begining the best one can hope for is control of it.
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vaporizers are great if you want to indulge in the herb without the adverse effects of smoking. In short, they heat the herb up to a temperature in which only the moisture inside of the plant is released into a vapor. No combustion. So there is no actual smoke, just vapors, because you are not actually burning it. That means no carbon monoxide, burnt throat, etc. I LOVE mine...
Really pot is only bad for you because you are burning carbon - smoke from burnt carbon is carcinogenic (sp?).
Thus, by vaporizing you are not burning carbon, and really people don't know how bad that is for you - not very... Vaporized smoke you can feel is really light on your lungs. It's easier than cooking it.
When getting a vaporizer be sure you are getting a good one (one that works well). You can spend $100 on one and it'll not work very well (don't get the kind that has a jar upside down that screws in (they suck!)).
It turns out though you can vaporize without an expensive vaporizer decently easily. My friend keeps his stuff in a glass jar (a famous one actually since he's used it for so long). The jar get's really keefed. One day he decided to put the jar in the oven on a low temp.. After about 5 minutes he opened it, inhaled what he could, and he certainly got a vaporizer hit. Probably would have worked better with an inverted funnel.
One last thing about vaporization. I think it is the case that the release temperature of CBC and CBD are higher than THC and THCV. The latter two drugs being associated with the heady/happy/active high, whereas the former are associated with the high that has you passing out after 2 hours, and you spend the time sitting on a couch with a strong body high. So the high is also quite pleasant from a vaporizer, and it also tastes really good as well - no carbon to mess up the taste, tastes like the smell of a grow room full of really nice buds ripe for the picking.
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You must vary your styles of inducing THC. If you use a vaporizer all the time, your body will begin to become immune to the effects of the THC. A good way to vary is to ingest and use a vaporizer. And then every once in awhile you will use a cold water bong.
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Nev. — Organizers of a measure on Nevada's November ballot hope that voters in a state in which almost everything goes already will go one better and legalize marijuana. If voters approve, Nevada would become the first state in the nation in which adults could legally possess up to 1 ounce of marijuana and conceivably purchase it at government-regulated and -taxed pot shops. The Committee to Regulate and Control Marijuana, which has pushed medical marijuana and decriminalization laws around the country, thinks a state that embraces gambling, allows prostitution in rural counties and prides itself on its Western independence, is a perfect venue to legalize marijuana. "All we're saying is, our marijuana laws completely do not work," said Neal Levine, executive director of the committee, which is largely funded by the Washington D.C.-based Marijuana Policy Project. The group argues that the legal system wastes time and money on low-level marijuana offenses, and that taxing and regulating pot would put drug dealers out of business while freeing law enforcement to focus on violent crime and trafficking in narcotics, such as methamphetamine. "Anyone who wants it can get it," Levine said. "Put it into a tightly controlled and regulated environment. We think that makes a lot of sense." Opponents, including law enforcement, the nation's drug czar, and civic and business groups, argue the measure sends the wrong message. They say it will encourage the use of other drugs, and they question proponents' contentions that marijuana could be Nevada's newest cash cow because they say the state doesn't have the authority to regulate such substances. "The fact is, growing, distributing and warehousing marijuana will still be a federal offense," said Todd Raybuck, a Las Vegas police officer and volunteer spokesman for the Committee to Keep Nevada Respectable, which opposes the measure. Question 7 allows people 21 and older to possess 1 ounce of marijuana in their homes — the same amount allowed under Nevada's medical-marijuana law. Includes excise tax Twelve states have decriminalized small amounts of marijuana and 12 allow its use for medical purposes. Possession of up to 1 ounce of marijuana at home is legal in Alaska under a court decision, but appeals are pending. In November, South Dakota will vote on authorizing medical marijuana. Colorado voters will vote on a ballot measure that would legalize possession of up to 1 ounce of marijuana by those 21 and older, similar to an ordinance Denver voters approved last year. But the Nevada measure goes further. It also directs Nevada's Department of Taxation to set up procedures to license and regulate marijuana growers, distributors and retailers. At the same time, it doubles penalties for selling or giving pot to minors and for vehicular manslaughter while under the influence of drugs or alcohol. The legislation also imposes a $45 per ounce excise tax, the proceeds of which would be used to defray administrative costs. Remaining tax dollars would go to the state general fund, with 50 percent earmarked for alcohol, tobacco and substance abuse programs. Revenue estimate questioned A 2002 study by researchers at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas estimated taxing and regulating marijuana would generate $28.6 million in new state revenue. But opponents counter that the touted benefits are pipe dreams, flawed by the reality of federal law, and they point out that since 2001 possession of an ounce or less in Nevada has been reduced to a misdemeanor punishable by a $600 fine. A spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office in Nevada said the office doesn't comment on policy issues and referred questions to the Justice Department in Washington, D.C., which didn't respond to several phone calls and e-mails seeking comment. In June, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled people who smoke marijuana for medical reasons can be prosecuted under federal drug laws. Though officials have said it's unlikely federal authorities would target medicinal users, Raybuck said it's doubtful that federal agents would tolerate commercial pot ventures. "The big question is, this goes beyond legalizing 1 ounce," Raybuck said. "How many pounds will they have in their warehouse? What community is going to open their streets and highways to tractor-trailer loads of weed? "Even if we could set up pot farms and pot shops, it's not going to happen overnight," Raybuck added. That gap, he said, would invite criminal elements. "It'd be a heyday," he said. ● Here is a look at the status of marijuana laws in various states, including those that have decriminalized possession of up to 1 ounce of marijuana and approved use of marijuana for medical reasons: l DECRIMINALIZED (12): Alaska, California, Colorado, Maine, Minnesota, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oregon. l MEDICAL MARIJUANA (12): Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington. l LEGAL (1): It currently is legal in Alaska to possess up to 1 ounce in the privacy of your own home but an appeal is pending in the state court system. l NOVEMBER BALLOT: Colorado voters will vote on a ballot measure in November that would legalize possession of up to 1 ounce of marijuana by those 21 and older, similar to an ordinance Denver voters approved last year. South Dakota votes on medical marijuana. l LOCAL ORDINANCES: Several local jurisdictions across the country also have measures on the ballot that would make possession the lowest law enforcement priority, something already adopted in Seattle and Oakland, Calif., among other places. Sources: Committee to Regulate and Control Marijuana and the Ballot Initiative Strategy Center.
RENO -- Organizers of a Nevada ballot measure hope that voters in a state where almost everything goes will go a step further and legalize marijuana.
If it passes Nov. 7, Nevada will be the first state to allow adults to possess up to an ounce of marijuana that they could buy at government-regulated shops.
The Committee to Regulate and Control Marijuana, which has pushed medical marijuana and decriminalization laws around the country, thinks Nevada -- with its embrace of certain vices and its streak of Western independence -- is a perfect venue.
In an editorial last spring, the rural Lahontan Valley News argued that gambling, Nevada's most powerful industry, caters to ``visceral pleasures" and that it would hypocritical to oppose the legalization of marijuana on moral grounds.
Proponents of the measure also argue that the legal system wastes time and money on low-level marijuana offenses, and that taxing and regulating marijuana would put drug dealers out of business while freeing law enforcement to focus on violent crime and more dangerous drugs such as methamphetamine.
``Put it into a tightly controlled and regulated environment. We think that makes a lot of sense," Neal Levine, executive director of the committee.
Opponents, including law enforcement officials, the nation's drug czar, and civic and business groups, argue the measure would encourage the use of other drugs, and they question whether it would even prove to be a good source of tax revenue.
``The fact is, growing, distributing, and warehousing marijuana will still be a federal offense," said Todd Raybuck, a Las Vegas police officer and spokesman for the Committee to Keep Nevada Respectable, which opposes the measure.
Question 7 allows people 21 and older to possess an ounce of marijuana in their homes, the same amount allowed under Nevada's medical marijuana law. Currently, possession of an ounce or less is a misdemeanor punishable by a $600 fine.
Twelve states have decriminalized the possession of small amounts of marijuana -- that is, possession is punishable by a ticket and a fine -- and 11 allow its use for medical purposes. Possession of up to an ounce at home is legal in Alaska under a court ruling there, but the case is under appeal.
Colorado residents will vote next month on whether to legalize possession of up to an ounce of marijuana by those 21 and older, similar to an ordinance Denver voters approved last year.
But the Nevada measure goes further. It directs Nevada's Department of Taxation to set up procedures to license and regulate marijuana growers, distributors, and retailers. At the same time, it doubles penalties for selling or giving marijuana to minors and for vehicular manslaughter while under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
The legislation also imposes a $45-per-ounce excise tax, with some of the proceeds going toward the budget and alcohol, tobacco, and drug abuse programs. An ounce of marijuana on the street costs upwards of $300, depending on the quality.
A 2002 study by researchers at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas estimated taxing and regulating marijuana would generate $28.6 million in revenue.
The Justice Department in Washington did not respond to calls and e-mails seeking comment. In June, the US Supreme Court ruled that people who smoke marijuana for medical reasons can be prosecuted under federal drug laws, and Raybuck said it is doubtful that federal agents would tolerate commercial marijuana ventures in Nevada.
In 2002, Nevada voters overwhelmingly rejected a move to legalize up to 3 ounces of marijuana. The latest measure got onto the ballot after 86,000 people signed petitions.
A poll conducted in September for the Las Vegas Review-Journal found that 51 percent of voters surveyed opposed Question 7, while 42 percent supported it and 7 percent were undecided.
``Make no mistake, I don't think using marijuana is a wise choice for anyone," said the Rev. William C. Webb, a Baptist minister who joined dozens of other religious leaders in declaring their support. But ``if there has to be a market in marijuana, I'd rather it be regulated with sensible safeguards than run by violent gangs and dangerous drug dealers."
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Gas,Grass,Ass, nobody rides for free. Remember that bumber sticker from the 70's. Taxes Taxes Taxes.
Oh and Californias Cigarette Tax will make it about 7 bucks for a pack and supossedly much will go to our schools. I'll believe that when I see it. November will tell.
Best to All.
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Now that makes to states ( Colorado & Nevada )voting to legalize pot in NOVEMBE. And Nevada would have legal government run shops where you can buy an Ounce at a time.
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Yep and the tax revenue for the state of Nevada will do very well on top of all of the Casino Money. The future of Nevada is alllll about making Money. They are good at it...
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my fine northwest herbs are too pretty to burn... anyone else have one or any idea of warranty? I searched the net but really didn't come up with anything...
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