quote:Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: According to biblical "science", the earth was created 3 days before the sun, the moon and the stars...
Scientists say there are many stars whose light takes millions of years to reach the earth. How, then, could they be 6,000 to 8,000 years old as many Christians allege?
Most Christians allege that the earth and stars are only 6,000-8,000 years old because chronologically if you count the years back through the generations of people you arrive at approximately 8,000 years to Adam and Eve--and it is assumed that God made the Earth, etc, right before he put Adam and Eve on it.
As a Christian, my point of view isn't that popular among "Christian circles", but I believe that there is a huge time gap between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
BIG GAP
Genesis 1:2 Now the earth was formless and void, darkness was over the surface of the deep and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
Verse two in itself could be a huge study in Hebrew(what are the waters? What is the deep? If God created the earth in verse 1, then why is is formless and void in verse 2?), but anyway....the word "Now" could indicate a time change far away from "In the beginning".
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quote:Originally posted by Team Sleep: Whether the earth was formed by a bang, meteor collision, cosmic mutating organisms, etc., this material would have had to been created somewhere, sometime, by something.
If man came from a gooey puddle of gunk or fell out of trees as apes, this "life" had to have had a powerful force or element that created it.
i agree absolutely.... you don't get sumpm from nuttn'...
i do have a hard time with the image of an old man with a long white beard tho...
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I think "Most Christians allege that the earth and stars are only 6,000-8,000 years old..." is an incorrect statement. I don't mean it is am intentionally incorrect statement and I blieve had it been worded as "Many Christians....." rather than "Most Christians...." it probably would have both been a correct statement and carried the actual thought of the author closer.
In my experience, though many Christians want literal interpretations of the bible, MOST Christians have long understood that what we know in modern times as the bible probably suffers from selective editing and biased translation enough that whatever was there those thousands of years ago is "liteerally" not now there to literally interpret.
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The funny thing is that everyone is just guessing and there is no hard evidence that there is a god, so until I die I will just live my life to its fullest and not worry about religion or faith and just focus on the forward progress of all man kind, together and not bickering about some stupid stories in a book or religion.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: I think "Most Christians allege that the earth and stars are only 6,000-8,000 years old..." is an incorrect statement. I don't mean it is am intentionally incorrect statement and I blieve had it been worded as "Many Christians....." rather than "Most Christians...." it probably would have both been a correct statement and carried the actual thought of the author closer.
In my experience, though many Christians want literal interpretations of the bible, MOST Christians have long understood that what we know in modern times as the bible probably suffers from selective editing and biased translation enough that whatever was there those thousands of years ago is "liteerally" not now there to literally interpret.
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quote:Originally posted by Team Sleep: Whether the earth was formed by a bang, meteor collision, cosmic mutating organisms, etc., this material would have had to been created somewhere, sometime, by something.
If man came from a gooey puddle of gunk or fell out of trees as apes, this "life" had to have had a powerful force or element that created it.
Yeah, it's called entrophy.
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Gordon, I didn't see that you had said such a thing or anything close. Looking back through the thread, I still can't see where that might have been. If I'm over looking one from you, accept my apology and that I jmust missed it.
Never-the-less, the post from which I cut and pasted is indeed in the thread.
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Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: According to biblical "science", the earth was created 3 days before the sun, the moon and the stars...
Scientists say there are many stars whose light takes millions of years to reach the earth. How, then, could they be 6,000 to 8,000 years old as many Christians allege?
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Peaceful and informative. Look at that new thread from Glass...
"Record Set for Hottest Temperature on Earth: 3.6 Billion Degrees in Lab "
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Peaceful and informative. Look at that new thread from Glass...
"Record Set for Hottest Temperature on Earth: 3.6 Billion Degrees in Lab "
i didn't start it, but i'm glad Gordon did...
it may be another dead end here...but something NEW has definitely been discovered..... and it may very well be a major step forward in safe "nukular" energy....
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quote:Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: According to biblical "science", the earth was created 3 days before the sun, the moon and the stars...
Scientists say there are many stars whose light takes millions of years to reach the earth. How, then, could they be 6,000 to 8,000 years old as many Christians allege?
Most Christians allege that the earth and stars are only 6,000-8,000 years old because chronologically if you count the years back through the generations of people you arrive at approximately 8,000 years to Adam and Eve--and it is assumed that God made the Earth, etc, right before he put Adam and Eve on it.
As a Christian, my point of view isn't that popular among "Christian circles", but I believe that there is a huge time gap between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
BIG GAP
Genesis 1:2 Now the earth was formless and void, darkness was over the surface of the deep and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
Verse two in itself could be a huge study in Hebrew(what are the waters? What is the deep? If God created the earth in verse 1, then why is is formless and void in verse 2?), but anyway....the word "Now" could indicate a time change far away from "In the beginning".
I believe the earth is millions of years old as science would suggest...but don't tell my friends
With Exodus 20:11 saying "For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is…" how do you explain this in regards to the Gap idea?
I think one reason many Christians claim the earth is only about 8,000 years old is because we don't have any real historical artifacts or evidences that date beyond that.
Evolutionists claim man turned from apes about 100,000 years ago. I just find it hard to believe that no physical evidence from the first 90,000 or so years has been discovered.
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i beleive every "myth" has a core of truth in it... ever play "telephone" in grade school?
one person whispers something written down in anothers ear, by the time it gets thru twenty people? it isn't the same, but it's often close...
Western Civilisation, or more accurately, AGRICULTURAL CIVILIZATION has its roots in the Biblical area just about 8000 years ago.....
i also belive there are older civilisations that just didn't make it for one reason or another...
the 20- 30,000 yr old cave paintings at Lascaux indicate a very complex social community... not only is the art itself impressively executed? but think about how many people had to work together to clothe, feed, supply, and put each artist to work in those caves....
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Source: University Of California - Berkeley
Posted: June 12, 2003 160,000-year-old Fossilized Skulls From Ethiopia Are Oldest Modern Humans
Berkeley -- The fossilized skulls of two adults and one child discovered in the Afar region of eastern Ethiopia have been dated at 160,000 years, making them the oldest known fossils of modern humans, or Homo sapiens.
The skulls, dug up near a village called Herto, fill a major gap in the human fossil record, an era at the dawn of modern humans when the facial features and brain cases we recognize today as human first appeared. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/06/030612090827.htm
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quote:Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: According to biblical "science", the earth was created 3 days before the sun, the moon and the stars...
Scientists say there are many stars whose light takes millions of years to reach the earth. How, then, could they be 6,000 to 8,000 years old as many Christians allege?
Most Christians allege that the earth and stars are only 6,000-8,000 years old because chronologically if you count the years back through the generations of people you arrive at approximately 8,000 years to Adam and Eve--and it is assumed that God made the Earth, etc, right before he put Adam and Eve on it.
As a Christian, my point of view isn't that popular among "Christian circles", but I believe that there is a huge time gap between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
BIG GAP
Genesis 1:2 Now the earth was formless and void, darkness was over the surface of the deep and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
Verse two in itself could be a huge study in Hebrew(what are the waters? What is the deep? If God created the earth in verse 1, then why is is formless and void in verse 2?), but anyway....the word "Now" could indicate a time change far away from "In the beginning".
I believe the earth is millions of years old as science would suggest...but don't tell my friends
With Exodus 20:11 saying "For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is…" how do you explain this in regards to the Gap idea?
I think one reason many Christians claim the earth is only about 8,000 years old is because we don't have any real historical artifacts or evidences that date beyond that.
Evolutionists claim man turned from apes about 100,000 years ago. I just find it hard to believe that no physical evidence from the first 90,000 or so years has been discovered.
Team, the 8k years comes from, as I recall, biblical scholars' computing the numbers of generations mentioned, ie, the "begats" . . .
As I understand evolution, no direct lineage to "apes" required, but probably some common rootstock way back there.
The thing about the fossil record is the gaps...statistically, a given organism ("species") needs to be stable enough for many generations to "get recorded." God only knows how many "experiments" popped up for several (or perhaps several hundred) generations that didn't make it into the record.
Often overlooked, even by "scientists," are the periods of magnetic reversal, when the "north" pole becomes the "south" pole, so to speak. During the reversal, there would be a period of little to no magnetic field--which provides a buffer against radiation. Who knows what number of mutations might be engendered during these periods of heightened radiation? Yet, geologically speaking, they do not last long...
quote:Originally posted by glassman: Source: University Of California - Berkeley
Posted: June 12, 2003 160,000-year-old Fossilized Skulls From Ethiopia Are Oldest Modern Humans
Berkeley -- The fossilized skulls of two adults and one child discovered in the Afar region of eastern Ethiopia have been dated at 160,000 years, making them the oldest known fossils of modern humans, or Homo sapiens.
The skulls, dug up near a village called Herto, fill a major gap in the human fossil record, an era at the dawn of modern humans when the facial features and brain cases we recognize today as human first appeared. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/06/030612090827.htm
I guess I stand corrected.
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LOL, "corrected"? i didn't know it was that far back 'till i looked it up for ya... i was thinking 90 to 100K also....
some of the most recent scientific "speculation" that i've seen suggests we may have undergone a mutation in the last 40 to 50k years that allowed us to think differently... it involves speaking/hearing ability and right-left brain communication thru the corpus callosum....
some suggest another one occurred about 15,000 years ago...
in other words? we ain't "done" yet....
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If there's truly an evolutionary process still happening, how is drug use effecting this process?
Science has documented that drugs such as cocaine, meth, ecstacy, etc. have dramatic physiologic effects on those who abuse these drugs.
And children of parents who are addicted to these types of drugs have a physiological propencity to become dependent as well.
Take meth heads for example, even after just a year of casual use, the brain of the meth head starts becoming very similar a person with schizophrenia. Meth changes physical features as well.
So, how do drugs factor into the process?
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