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In my opinion, pure regime change. Support the Iranian youth of around 35 million under the age of 30. They are all pro USA. They like Western lifestyle, movies, music (50 Cent is hot over there). Just compare them to the one million Iranians who are living in the USA now. No need for a costly war or surgical strikes.
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Who says they are "pro USA", Rumsfield and dubya? If that's your source of information, you are just helping position public opinion for anotherr invasion without good information.
A very large majority of the Iraqis liked "Western lifestyle, movies, music" and look what believing they wanted us to invade has gotten us.
"No need for a costly war....". They promissed us that the Iraq invasion was going to be cheap....."Their oil will pay for it". they said.
I will need way better information than a few slogans and lies out of the RNC the next time.
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I doubt there are 35 million pro USA folks in Iran. As a whole, Muslims hate the freedoms afforded to Americans. Especially freedoms afforded to American women (voting, driving, abortion, education, employment, etc.)
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Iranian people are no muslim. Only the clerical regime and a couple of million from a total of 70 million! Iranian people drink alcohol, go to parties, do everything that is unmuslim. Don't compare them to Arabs or muslims. Read some books about them. They were the only true American ally (together with Israel) in the Middle-East until the revolution in 1979. Americans and Iranians didn't even need a visa to travel to each other.
Give it time, you all will see that the only American friends in the Middle East are Israelis and Iranians.
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When you need something done quickly and correctly, take it to the UN. We have no business over there and this is just a ploy so America can steal all the oil.
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Sham democracy all the way. This new nutcase president was chosen long before the elections. How can an election be for-real when you only can choose between some handpicked clerical ****s?
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Well, the Palestinian election appeared fairly democratic and fraud-free and those idiots elected a psycho-butcher party.
I didn't know if it was the same case in Iran. So, is there any chance of toppling the government from within? Is there an underground movement with any power and money and momentum?
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Sigh, some people can't get it through their thick skull. The terms of the cease fire from the first Gulf War put the burden of proof on Saddam. WMD's or no WMD's, IT DOESN'T MATTER, Saddam was assumed guilty from the start, and that was the price he paid for staying in power when we could have blasted him into sand the first time we confronted him.
So Saddam had no WMD's that we could find, IT DOESN'T MATTER. GET OVER IT.
As far as Iran, are we as Americans willing to roll the dice and assume that the Iranians don't have any WMD's? Do we just sit here and piss around with the UN for 10 years while the Iranians build them in secret? Have you people forgotten the deal Bill Clinton made with North Korea? Boy, that sure worked out well. It sickens me that many Americans think we can/should trust psychotic dictators......
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quote:Originally posted by Team Sleep: Well, the Palestinian election appeared fairly democratic and fraud-free and those idiots elected a psycho-butcher party.
I didn't know if it was the same case in Iran. So, is there any chance of toppling the government from within? Is there an underground movement with any power and money and momentum?
The president of Iran is a puppet. He exists only so that Iran can pretend they are a Democracy in order to gain concessions and legitimacy from the west. The true power lies in the hands of the religious leaders.
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natural resources? sounds YOU need to get over it....
in case you haven't noticed? Iraq is setting up an Islamic State also.... their constitution specififcally states there shall be no law not in accordance with the Q'oran...
that's why we didn't take him out the first time.... cuz this was inevitable...
the only possible saving grace is the Kurds...
we need to keep them strong in Iraqi politics, but Turkey don't want US to....
in other words? Bush is the father of an Islamic state.... the IRONY of it would be funny if the stakes weren't so high here....
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You've never heard of SARCASM Gordon Bennet or should I call you 4art? ... Shove off, your comments are pathetic. Maybe you should post your poop-rocket picture for me since DWE isn't here for you to spam.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: natural resources? sounds YOU need to get over it....
in case you haven't noticed? Iraq is setting up an Islamic State also.... their constitution specififcally states there shall be no law not in accordance with the Q'oran...
that's why we didn't take him out the first time.... cuz this was inevitable...
the only possible saving grace is the Kurds...
we need to keep them strong in Iraqi politics, but Turkey don't want US to....
in other words? Bush is the father of an Islamic state.... the IRONY of it would be funny if the stakes weren't so high here....
I agree, mistakes have been and are being made. My point is, running away, crying to the UN or impeaching Bush isn't going to fix the problem over there.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Good God no! And promote Cheney? We'd be fighting eight or nine uncalled for wars within a month.
Whatever, that's not the point. Fire everybody. Impeach them all. Democrat and Republican, Independent and Libertarian...... it still doesn't fix the geopolitical problem of the middle east and radical Islamic fundamentalism.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: The problem isn't "over there", it's in the White House!
...And if you think the mess that is the middle east is somehow the creation of the latest "regime" in the White House, you are seriously detached from reality.
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yeah, but neither did taking out saddam....
i hear some terrorists tunneled outa their cage in Yemen, and are trying to make their way into Pakistan....
hmmmm.... Pakistan? another "democracy"???
bdgee, there is definitely a problem over there...
not much has been done to fix it, and yes, IMO it's getting worse, not better, and that is a result of bad policy, but the problem is really Islam's and the moderate Isalmics need to be pressured very hard to deal with it...
they riot over friggin cartoon in a newspaper, but they sit back while people get tehir heads cut off?
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It isn't the Democrats, you sick toady. Stop trying to act like anyone but the Party got us here!
The problem in the White House!
That's where the lies were concocted and promoted into a campaign to convince the people to let the deserter send other peoples kids to war.
Wanna know why we are "extending enlistments" and using the reserves and guard to fight this? Because a draft with this days rules might send Dubya's and his brother's female offspring into danger.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: It isn't the Democrats, you sick toady. Stop trying to act like anyone but the Party got us here!
The problem in the White House!
That's where the lies were concocted and promoted into a campaign to convince the people to let the deserter send other peoples kids to war.
Wanna know why we are "extending enlistments" and using the reserves and guard to fight this? Because a draft with this days rules might send Dubya's and his brother's female offspring into danger.
I know Bdgee, it's all Bush's fault. Run along and play now...
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