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The last few posts between "opposing views" on this board sounds like some are actually agreeing more then arguing/debating.

I don't like these. Please argue more. LOL

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quote:
Originally posted by MasterQuinn:
The last few posts between "opposing views" on this board sounds like some are actually agreeing more then arguing/debating.

I don't like these. Please argue more. LOL

I agree!!!...Ok, I know, not funny.
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You're completely correct, Ramius! I agree 100%.
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US Intelligence Classified White Phosphorus as 'Chemical Weapon'
by Peter Popham and Anne Penketh


The Italian journalist who launched the controversy over the American use of white phosphorus (WP) as a weapon of war in the Fallujah siege has accused the Americans of hypocrisy.

Sigfrido Ranucci, who made the documentary for the RAI television channel aired two weeks ago, said that a US intelligence assessment had characterised WP after the first Gulf War as a "chemical weapon".

The assessment was published in a declassified report on the American Department of Defence website. The file was headed: "Possible use of phosphorous chemical weapons by Iraq in Kurdish areas along the Iraqi-Turkish-Iranian borders."

In late February 1991, an intelligence source reported, during the Iraqi crackdown on the Kurdish uprising that followed the coalition victory against Iraq, "Iraqi forces loyal to President Saddam may have possibly used white phosphorous chemical weapons against Kurdish rebels and the populace in Erbil and Dohuk. The WP chemical was delivered by artillery rounds and helicopter gunships."

According to the intelligence report, the "reports of possible WP chemical weapon attacks spread quickly among the populace in Erbil and Dohuk. As a result, hundreds of thousands of Kurds fled from these two areas" across the border into Turkey.

"When Saddam used WP it was a chemical weapon," said Mr Ranucci, "but when the Americans use it, it's a conventional weapon. The injuries it inflicts, however, are just as terrible however you describe it."

In the television documentary, eyewitnesses inside Fallujah during the bombardment in November last year described the terror and agony suffered by victims of the shells . Two former American soldiers who fought at Fallujah told how they had been ordered to prepare for the use of the weapons. The film and still photographs posted on the website of the channel that made the film - rainews24.it - show the strange corpses found after the city's destruction, many with their skin apparently melted or caramelised so their features were indistinguishable. Mr Ranucci said he had seen photographs of "more than 100" of what he described as "anomalous corpses" in the city.

The US State Department and the Pentagon have shifted their position repeatedly in the aftermath of the film's showing. After initially saying that US forces do not use white phosphorus as a weapon, the Pentagon now says that WP had been used against insurgents in Fallujah. The use of WP against civilians as a weapon is prohibited.

Military analysts said that there remain questions about the official US position regarding its observance of the 1980 conventional weapons treaty which governs the use of WP as an incendiary weapon and sets out clear guidelines about the protection of civilians.

Daryl Kimball, director of the Arms Control Association in Washington, called for an independent investigation of the use of WP during the Fallujah siege. "If it was used as an incendiary weapon, clear restrictions apply," he said.

"Given that the US and UK went into Iraq on the ground that Saddam Hussein had used chemical weapons against his own people, we need to make sure that we are not violating the laws that we have subscribed to," he added.

Yesterday Adam Mynott, a BBC correspondent in Nassiriya in April 2003, told Rai News 24 that he had seen WP apparently used as a weapon against insurgents in that city.

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I see you are back 4art... the world was a far safer place without you posting your communist agenda.

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So a US intelligence assessment characterized WP after the first Gulf War as a "chemical weapon".

Imagine my surprise?

[ November 23, 2005, 22:34: Message edited by: Aylobaha Gafuleya ]

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quote:
Originally posted by RiescoDiQui:
I see you are back 4art... the world was a far safer place without you posting your communist agenda.

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Ole Alibabaa thinks he is a genie...LOL

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quote:
Originally posted by Aylobaha Gafuleya:
So a US intelligence assessment characterized WP after the first Gulf War as a "chemical weapon".

Imagine my surprise?

I imagine most everything suprises you.

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You don't. Muha!
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quote:
Originally posted by RiescoDiQui:
I see you are back 4art... the world was a far safer place without you posting your communist agenda.

lol, 4art as communist...

DRQ, you're kidding, right? A good communist would slice up 4art and feed equal portions of his dilletante-self to the downtrodden chickens...

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good communist?

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Have we not all one Father? Did not one God create us?
Bible, Malachi 2:10

quote:
Originally posted by BuyTex:
DRQ, you're kidding, right? A good communist would slice up 4art and feed equal portions of his dilletante-self to the downtrodden chickens...



[ November 23, 2005, 23:16: Message edited by: Aylobaha Gafuleya ]

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DRQ, lol--helllll yeah...had some fairly solid communist buddies (misguided as they were) who would go out and meet the nazi demonstrators with Louisville sluggers...

Aloha: not familiar with your POV--what's with the "one father, one god" theme?

Are you Andrew playing like you're Muslim?

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quote:
Originally posted by BuyTex:
ha: not familiar with your POV--what's with the "one father, one god" theme?

Are you Andrew playing like you're Muslim?

Good question
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Or am I a Muslim playing like I'm Andrew? Hmmm...
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hmmmm....hmmm...

quote:
Originally posted by Aylobaha Gafuleya:
Or am I a Muslim playing like I'm Andrew? Hmmm...


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I only had one father. Or had. He passed away some years back.
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bdgee: small, minor grammar item that I know you'll appreciate--otherwise would not mention.

"I had ONLY one father."

versus

"I ONLY had..."

is a differrent connotation, suggesting that *you* are singular/unique in having one father--the "rest of us" have more than one fathers...

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quote:
Originally posted by Aylobaha Gafuleya:
Or am I a Muslim playing like I'm Andrew? Hmmm...

ya...hmmm!

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its 4Aylobaha.
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I've known families that have had lots of fathers.

[Wink]

quote:
Originally posted by BuyTex:
bdgee: small, minor grammar item that I know you'll appreciate--otherwise would not mention.

"I had ONLY one father."

versus

"I ONLY had..."

is a differrent connotation, suggesting that *you* are singular/unique in having one father--the "rest of us" have more than one fathers...


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Tree,

roger that... {more below ....}
quote:
Originally posted by Aylobaha Gafuleya:
I've known families that have had lots of fathers.

[Wink]

quote:
Originally posted by BuyTex:
bdgee: small, minor grammar item that I know you'll appreciate--otherwise would not mention.

"I had ONLY one father."

versus

"I ONLY had..."

is a differrent connotation, suggesting that *you* are singular/unique in having one father--the "rest of us" have more than one fathers...


Alibaba:

Dog-sperm/biology can perform as you suggest...we're talking about humans.

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Hmmm. So all you have to do when your banned is change your name huh.
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quote:
Originally posted by BuyTex:
bdgee: small, minor grammar item that I know you'll appreciate--otherwise would not mention.

"I had ONLY one father."

versus

"I ONLY had..."

is a differrent connotation, suggesting that *you* are singular/unique in having one father--the "rest of us" have more than one fathers...

I do see your point and do appreciate it, as you surmised. However, I never wanted to imply a difference between myself and "the "rest of us"". Indeed, I was hoping to press the point that we are all the same....just one father, just one mother and we all put our pants on one leg at a time ('cept of course, women that Congress orter quit wastin time about tryin to make laws about who orter get married and do somphin impotent and get us a law that says women and girls hasn't no business wearin pants).
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lol, bdgee...

simply making a sentence-structure point--don't get me into that gay thang...my ex is queerer than upside-down barb-wire

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holy crap... two dads and now upside down barb wire?
I knew I never should have quit drinking

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Hmmmmm? Me, I never knowd bob-warr had a bottom an a top........didn't knowd I was treddin on no gay thang nuthur....
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quote:
Originally posted by BuyTex:
lol, bdgee...

simply making a sentence-structure point--don't get me into that gay thang...my ex is queerer than upside-down barb-wire

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Now thats the worst case of buyers remorse I've seen in sometime.

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Apparently so.

quote:
Originally posted by timberman:
Hmmm. So all you have to do when your banned is change your name huh.


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quote:
Originally posted by 4Art:
If this video doesn't move you, you have a heart of stone.

I was horrified by the line- "it burned the flesh, but left the clothes intact"... and that they attacked woman and children...

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Agreed, mjm2005. The images are horrific as well.

For those that missed it the first time, The video is available here.

quote:
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I was horrified by the line- "it burned the flesh, but left the clothes intact"... and that they attacked woman and children...


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