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its called WILLY P and its not a CHEMICAL WEAPON oh my god you are retarded! chemical weapons are like sarin or nerve agents....you want to know what chemical weapons are i suggest you research the iran iraq war and also north korea.
you seriously have an agenda against what is going on. im not saying i wish it would have happened, but you are also siding with an italian press. dont you think italians spin a little bit on their reporting especially against americans?
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1. It is prohibited in all circumstances to make the civilian population as such, individual civilians or civilian objects the object of attack by incendiary weapons.
2. It is prohibited in all circumstances to make any military objective located within a concentration of civilians the object of attack by air delivered incendiary weapons.
3. It is further prohibited to make any military objective located within a concentration of civilians the object of attack by means of incendiary weapons other than air delivered incendiary weapons, except when such military objective is clearly separated from the concentration of civilians and all feasible precautions are taken with a view to limiting the incendiary effects to the military objective and to avoiding, and in any event to minimizing, incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects.
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there was no way to determine who (or if any) the civilians were in Fallujah 4art... that has been made pretty clear... these weps save/d american lives...
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Calm down, calm,down, there is no reason to get so mad. I did not ever say what you claim I did. You claim. "...its called WILLY P and its not a CHEMICAL WEAPON", as if I had said otherwise.
I quote myself, "...they are not listed as chemical weapons". Maybe you'd do better to read what is there? Next time try reading before you object......makes for a lot less confusion.
And considering how you react to things that don't issue from the Pentagon or the White house, maybe you need to think about who may or may not be "retarded" and who has an agenda. I was mearly pointing out omissions, not siding or advocating on behalf of anyone or anything.
I don't read or speak Itallian. I assume you do, from your declared knowledge of Itallian news. (They do do it in their own language, don't they?) It appears like you have just a wee tiny bit of bias there. Maybe I am wrong.
Perhaps you are right and their news is slanted, but I doubt it could manage ever out "slant" Fox News in reporting bogus palaver as news. Fox News, I'm sure you know, is not owned or operated by an American and is operated in the mold of the owner's European scandle sheets. ((I understand he does speak Itallian. Ever read one of those things? Talk about BS! and twisted faqcts!)
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Why would I have legal objections if they are used on American troops? They are legal munitions of war.
You overlook that the civilians of Fallujah were warned repeatedly to evaucate. The sections of the Geneva Convention you mention are nulified by that action.
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I'm not misinformed, I read the Conventions. I also posted the relevant portions of the Conventions concerning Chemical weapons and specifically white phosphorus and Napalm. If I am misinformed, please provide the evidence which states they are banned.
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Bdgee, "bogus palaver" you a Stephen King fan? Just curious because the term palaver is used over and over in the Dark Tower series in reference to conversations and I have never seen it used before outside of a Stephen King novel.
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4art do you have any idea about the atrocities the insurgents do to the iraq people who try to make a better life for their nation? they slaughter them with a dose of mutilation. why are you so hellbent against americans when we have international violations going on...iran, NORTH KOREA, the chinese persecution of its own people. are you so narrow visioned to demonize our nation and soldiers that you cant even notice child suicide bombers forced to blow themselves up by insurgents who steal them from their parents? i know ive seen it happen.
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ALSO as for Fallujah.....for those who are not all knowing of that city....4art wants you to believe that we just set the city on fire wanting to kill kids and children. when what REALLY happened was we gave citizens ....much time to evacuate. the kids the women and men of old and young age. we knew who the bad guys were...if they were so innocent 4art then why was there so much combat in that city? why were the mosques loaded with military weapons? how far would you go to hate this nations military in order to make someone cry tears of sorrow for a islamic jihadist. such a shame
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4art: "Then you will have no legal objection if they are used in the same manner on Americans, CashCowMoo? "
well one thing is for sure the way you talk im sure YOU wouldnt. if you dont know what manner americans are facing overseas then you shouldnt be here with spin information.
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quote:....4art wants you to believe that we just set the city on fire wanting to kill kids and children. when what REALLY happened was we gave citizens ....much time to evacuate. the kids the women and men of old and young age
They should have gone, where exactly, to the middle of the desert with their children and no food or water?
And remember we're dealing with crazy people so they probably wouldn't have let them go.
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no master quinn we built huge tent cities for them...and not primative tents either. they were given food and water....more than they have ever had especially under saddams rule. they werent just thrown in the middle of the desert...and some geography for you....fallujah is not in the middle of the desert it is in a fertile area along the euphrates there is good farming in that area. that is why there is such a large population there and it is such a big city. iraqs biggest cities lie on the euphrates and tigris river.
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You are quite correct CCM. Also, can you show me what an insurgent looks like. I mean the same guys that were our friends during the day were the same ones shooting at us at night. Too funny, middle of the desert.
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fair enough. I'll check a satellite map (maybe I'll see bin laden on it while I'm over on google).
But... again, they were most likely held against their own will. I doubt if there were so many bad guys that they'd let the women pack up their stuff give em a kiss and let them leave.
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A large part of Iraq is desert, but most of it around the Tigris and Euphrates is lush and green. Now the western desert long the Syrian border. That's desert. My point is that there is a lot of bashing going on by folks who have never been there. He** they haven't even been in the military and don't really know what it's like. They lack a true perspective of what is really happening over there. Yet all they do is post this and that about the evil soldiers in Iraq. It's a shame no one can or will say this directly to my face.
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You may be right that some civilians were held against there will. But how is that supposed to affect us?
Do we end hostilities because hostages are being held?
Hostage taking, hiding behind civilians, hiding in schools, churches, mosques, cemetarys are all violations of the Geneva Conventions. The insurgents are not signatories of the conventions, they are not following the conventions. Does that mean we must stop and let them move on to take more hostages elsewhere?
I understand it isn't pleasant but war is not pleasant. Our forces go out of their way to adhere to the Geneva Conventions and the local laws of nation in question. When the enemy does not, it is not our fault these civilians die, it is theirs.
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The topic was chemical weapons being used, I'm saying using these types of weapons on cities like this isn't morally right. I DO NOT blame the soldiers, the pilots, the officers on the ground in combat.
It's the administrations fault for putting them in a situation to fight an enemy that does these things. Like we didn't know with this type of urban warfare these things wouldn't happen.
Removing Terrorism will not be won by wars. Overthrowing governments in the islamic world is asking for more then we bargained for.
To have an enemy you need to know the enemy, we don't and never will unless we declare war on people of islam which will never happen.
We need to understand WHY there is terrorism in the first place... I don't believe like the media wants people to that the terroists want to take over the world.
Even the terrorist leaders have said over and over again, they want jerusalem back.
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I have read some of his stuff, but I wouldn't say I'm a fan. I'll read about anything.
I don't get to "fanish" on any author, but there are some I return to, not so much as a fan, but because I can trust them to deliver good stuff. I'm sure there must be many that are as reliable as those I know, but unknown to me.
Once, on a holiday in a little Alabama town, with almost every pleace closed and locked, in drug store to avoid the biting cold, I looked through the selection of paperbacks in one of those rotating racks. I didn't think any of them was other than stuff designed to titillate the yearnings of highschool girls, but I wanted something to read.
I picked "Report from Engine Company Number 5" and set off to spend the holiday drinking cofee and reading with the TV on across the room. I had stumbled across one of the finest books I have ever read. I had a similar discovery with "Zen and the Art of Motercycle Maintenance" and "Leaving Cheyenne" and so many others.
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I looked up what "Willy Pete" does to a person when used in that way. Those sure look like chemical burns to me, whatever you want to call the weapon.
quote:Originally posted by HILANDER: Very well put masterquinn. Others could learn from your example. However, the weapons we used weren't chemical weapons.
I have read some of his stuff, but I wouldn't say I'm a fan. I'll read about anything.
I don't get to "fanish" on any author, but there are some I return to, not so much as a fan, but because I can trust them to deliver good stuff. I'm sure there must be many that are as reliable as those I know, but unknown to me.
Once, on a holiday in a little Alabama town, with almost every pleace closed and locked, in drug store to avoid the biting cold, I looked through the selection of paperbacks in one of those rotating racks. I didn't think any of them was other than stuff designed to titillate the yearnings of highschool girls, but I wanted something to read.
I picked "Report from Engine Company Number 5" and set off to spend the holiday drinking cofee and reading with the TV on across the room. I had stumbled across one of the finest books I have ever read. I had a similar discovery with "Zen and the Art of Motercycle Maintenance" and "Leaving Cheyenne" and so many others.
One of the guys I deployed with was a HUGE King fan. Autographed first editions, limited production runs you name it. In fact, he has #11 I believe of the last book of the Dark Tower series (1 thru 10 go to personal friends und publishers). Anyway, he got me hooked on King. Just thought the whold palaver thing was kind of cool.
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Prohibited under the 1925 Geneva Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use of Asphyxiating, Poisonous or other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare.
Incendiary agents such as napalm and phosphorus are not considered to be CW agents since they achieve their effect mainly through thermal energy. Certain types of smoke ammunition are not classed as a chemical weapon since the poisonous effect is not the reason for their use.
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I looked up what "Willy Pete" does to a person when misused in that way. Those sure look like chemical burns to me, whatever you want to call the weapon.
I suppose we could just continue to redefine what the word "torture" means, and then it'll be morally okay too.
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Ya likes the way words are used to twist and turn the heads of emotions and wishes and dreams, ya are a sayin?
Me too! And I like the different ways wordsmiths wrought the raw material to get nuance that hide or make plane what they want us to not see or see.
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Not a thing. Is that the point you are trying to make. I was under the impression that it was to imply that the United States violated the Geneva Conventions.
You did try to make that point several times.
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Ya likes the way words are used to twist and turn the heads of emotions and wishes and dreams, ya are a sayin?
Me too! And I like the different ways wordsmiths wrought the raw material to get nuance that hide or make plane what they want us to not see or see.
When I first graduated from college I went to work as an insurance adjustor. Now, if you want twisted words written by excellent wordsmiths, try interpreting policy language?!?!?!?!
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