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I find it ridiculous that the USA pays for Israel. While the USa is in deep debt and a 200B war with Iraq, Israel wants money for pullout. And, this request is one of many.
And, now Group of 8 are going to give another 3B for Isreal/Middle East peace.
Who can give us money?
And, this all is paid by the US taxpayer.
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it is rediculous but they will get every dime they ask for, i mean come on can america really say no to israel? Whats going to happen is they will get the money pretend to attempt a pullout and blame a few light quarrels with palestinians for not being able to leave and continue to stay and violence will erupt from both sides and america will be out the cash, like a bank to a bum filing bankruptcy. i wonder how many times we can be tricked?
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Israel has used mostly USA money to survive. So, not only do we sweat for them, but also put our interest in harms way. I think Isreal should fit its own bill to survivie.
Art..You ar so much against parasites. It seems to me Israel has been a parasitic nation. What have they given back?
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I stated before..I have no problem in supporting Israel. I just think that we should not do so at our expense. Tell me what they give...
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I have to find more recent facts...But, as of 1997, the total taxpayer cost per Israeli is 23,000. Geez, guees the Isrealis work hard...
I bet the cost is greater now. In addition to direct monetary cost, there are other costs... Our suppor of Israel has fuueled anti-americanism and the Iraq war is accelerating that hatered towards USA in the middle east.
U.S. Financial Aid To Israel: Figures, Facts, and Impact
Summary Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)
Foreign Aid Grants and Loans $74,157,600,000
Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Foreign Aid) $9,047,227,200
Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments $1,650,000,000
Grand Total $84,854,827,200
Total Benefits per Israeli $14,630 Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S. Aid to Israel
Grand Total $84,854,827,200
Interest Costs Borne by U.S. $49,936,680,000
Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers $134,791,507,200
Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli $23,240
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I will say, maybe this is a war that must be fought. But, let's not fool ourselves, we fueled this hatred by our support of Israel and then by our policies in the mideast..
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quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: I stated before..I have no problem in supporting Israel. I just think that we should not do so at our expense. Tell me what they give...
Before we invaded Iraq, for many years Israel served as our military proxy in the mideast, along with our bases in Saudi Arabia. This counteracted powerful Russian and European influence in the mideast - it is all about the oil and we got a good supply to fuel our economy because of our mideast influence.
We were literally squeezed out of the mideast before Israel and our alliance with Israel. Israel is hated, but feared and thus repected, in the mideast, as are we. Fear of you gives you powerful influence. La La landers don't like this - they want a world where everybody loves one another - but that world is not reality and never will be. Nations in the real world want to be feared, and use this to their advantage.
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All we get is a military proxy that is draing us?
Why are we so foolish? Again, it is apparent to me that we should at this point conserve more and invest more in alternate energy sources, pref solar energy. But, instead we choose to pursue policies that are harming this country.
The USA ha given so much to israel for a military proxy that may end in a nuclear holocaust?
I am of the opinion that we are fighting ww3 and this fight is the beginning of a world moving towards destructuion unless we wise up.
If we gave 10% to solar research each year what we give to the war effort, I think we could be winners and at the same time not fuel hatred.
We also give the islamic extremists the money that they use to fight us. Life is absurd.
we need leaders in this country and not parasites who are taking this country in the wrong path.
The israels and arabs fought since beginning in time. And, let them battle until they realize war is not the answer. we can help but not at the expense of our interests.
We should be pursuing policies that are benevolent for this country. We need to change our current policies becasue they are not working.
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yes, it is about the oil beut it desnt need to be. We are blinded. We need to conserve and develop alternate energy sources. Fighting for oil is not the answer........
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i agree with you thinkmoney 100% ive said before that i dont have a problem supporting israel to get them started. but 50 years of sucking us dry is outrageous, they have nuclear weapons and israel has a higher per capita income than any of the surrounding countries. Dont you think its time to cut them off. Its like Bill Gates living with his parents to save money on rent and groceries. Its gone on entirely too long. Also israel is not our proxy in the middle east, America is israels proxy in the middle east. Do you think that Saddam was a greater threat to israel or america? I still remember what the prince of Saudi Arabia said on sept 12 "maybe now america will rethink its policies in the middle east." Its amazing to me that more americans cant see this very important part of the problem, but on the other hand there isnt really anything we can do about it because even if we voice our opinion the cards are already dealt (take a look at some of the names in the bush administration) 90% of them carry an israeli citizenship so you can imagine where their loyalship lies. http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bushlist.htm
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I am not suggesting an abrupt stoppage. What I am suggesting is initiation of policies that are in usa interests. Yes, screw the oil but not abruptly. Put policies in place where usa is not dependent on oil. Invest more in solar and conserve. Why fight for oil when there is unlimited energy found in solar? Invest 10% in solar of war effort, and maybe a ludricous war wont be ok in the USA mentality down the road.
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