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What's Behind the London Attacks? The bombing of the London Underground was a false-flag operation designed to keep the West mired in war. Don't believe otherwise.
Matt Hutaff | July 8 2005
Only one word sprang to mind when I heard about the bombings that claimed the lives of dozens of Londoners today convenient.
Is there anything convenient in death, or in thousands of lives destroyed from catastrophe? No and words cannot express the sorrow I feel for the men and women changed by today's events. But governments with skeletons in their closets have a great deal to gain from a national tragedy bolstered by "terrorism."
As I sit in my office today, I hear the whispers of co-workers now utterly convinced our war on terror must continue. Despite American and British involvement in the Middle East birthing wave after wave of rebel forces, the Bush doctrine is now justified in the minds of millions. Petty grievances such as the Downing Street Minutes, the President's flagging support and Karl Rove's treasonous outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame are unimportant. A shadowy conglomeration is out to kill us.
Sound familiar? It should the same emotional ploy was used to great effect on Americans in the wake of September 11th. Question nothing, particularly your cries for vengeance or that nagging feeling in the back of your head. Justice delayed is justice denied.
Unlike four years ago, however, I refuse to accept that the attack on London was anything less than a false-flag operation designed to enrage Western "civilization" against the Middle East. Why? Because there is no reason for "terrorist" groups to attack England. As recently as this week, the Ministry of Defense announced that plans were being drafted that would pull British armed forces from the quagmires in Iraq and Afghanistan. With the British effectively admitting they're throwing in the towel, the only motivation to stay could come from an attack that compels the forces to stay and fight "global terrorism."
Think about it. The attack only benefits empires desperate to maintain a foothold in the Middle East without further eroding public opinion. Will Parliament shrug their shoulders and push their soldiers into longer tours of duty because of this? Obviously it's too early to tell, but if that happens, insurgents and rebels will have lost more than they could have ever possibly gained in destroying part of the Underground.
Brian Kilmeade of Fox News agrees, claiming the sabotage "works to ... [the] Western world's advantage, for people to experience something like this together." It doesn't just make "terrorism" an American problem. It makes it a worldwide problem. The Number One problem.
No longer do we need to concern ourselves with two world leaders (who have spawned more worldwide terrorism than any fanatical religious organization) going unquestioned in their lies that started a war. We can cast off our sluggish economies, lack of freedoms and pitiful descent into draconian law. Terror is on the rise.
I feel like I'm sitting in my apartment watching the World Trade Center collapse all over again.
Everything is the same, right down to the previously unheard of Islamic group (The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe? Are you kidding me?) taking credit even though the translation falls apart under scrutiny and the Q'uran is improperly cited. Considering the only Al Qaeda cell to ever be uncovered was a front for the Mossad, you'd think the perpetrators could at least come up with a clever new booga-booga name to grab headlines. Their arrogance is startling.
As is the ever-present Israeli connection, a staple among false flag operations. Before today's attack, the Israeli Embassy in London was notified an attack was forthcoming. As a result, former Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu remained in his hotel room rather than head towards a nearby hotel where he was to address an economic summit.
The embassy denies it had any prior knowledge, of course, but the story has changed dramatically in the process. If, as they say, Netanyahu was not warned, how did he know to stay in his room? How did he know the danger was so severe that he dare not venture out of the hotel?
Oops! The story's changed again here Netanyahu says that British police had warned the Israelis (but not the rest of the city?) of a pending attack. Scotland Yard denies this; Israel's reply was to say Netanyahu received his warning after the first blast. How? It was initially reported as a power surge for hours. What is being hidden here? And why isn't there an investigation into these obvious discrepancies?
It's enough to make your head spin and your eyes cross with rage.
Regardless, I am making an appeal to Britons who are understandably wracked with grief at the moment don't buy into the hatred the way we Americans did. Don't ignore the obvious evidence that this whole affair was orchestrated by your own government. Most importantly, don't let the deaths of the few, however tragic, plunge your nation into another fit of war and civic clampdowns.
Toying with your emotions is expected. Don't fall prey to ignorance. See the attack on your home for what it really is a distraction that will keep your money, resources and troops mired in ceaseless battle for an ideology that betrays your democratic and civilized tenets.
Honor your dead with tears, not a cry for war or praise for a disgraced leader.
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Investigated? for what reason? for having an opinion opposed to yours? whats your problem with me? i didnt write that article i was simply posting it for a topic of discussion. if you dont like it dont read it otherwise leave me alone. Also, to have law enforcement "check me out" they would have to have some sort of reason for an investigation, i havent broken any laws, so do whatever you feel is necessary to have me investigated and let me know how it goes.
love, Turbo
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by turbokid: [QB] Investigated? for what reason? for having an opinion opposed to yours? whats your problem with me? i didnt write that article i was simply posting it for a topic of discussion. if you dont like it dont read it otherwise leave me alone. Also, to have law enforcement "check me out" they would have to have some sort of reason for an investigation, i havent broken any laws, so do whatever you feel is necessary to have me investigated and let me know how it goes.
love, Turbo
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Turbokid, leave you alone? When hell freezes over.
You say you have opinions? You do nothing but spew slop out of a scum bucket.
You feebly say, all I did was post a topic for discussion. Well, you got yourself a discussion now.
A law enforcement investigation is just that. To see if a person is involved in any conspiricy to cause harm to the people and the property of citizens of the USA.
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turbokid.. I imagine Dustoff was joking about law enforcement. But you may want to sleep with one eye open. Art may show up at your door with his conservative attack sheep....
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so what your saying is that by posting an article written by somebody else that puts me in the limelite for an investigation on a conspiracy to harm people? Are you outside of your mind?
Well now that we have a discussion,(although off topic) perhaps this is the time to ask you why i am in the wrong for posting an article i found while reading stories about the London attacks?
If you have a differing viewpoint, at least disect the article and tell me how much of an idiot i am for posting it(like art does) and back up your accusations with facts or your own opinions, instead of saying i should be investigated for conspiracy to do harm to people.
no i am sorry i dont know what DUSTOFF stands for but i will take a guess Doesnt Usually Shower Thursday Or Friday Frequently ? i know you hate me but this is my attempt to give you a chuckle. and perhaps ask you to lighten up a bit, i hope it worked we are on the same team, American.
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quote:Originally posted by Pagan: turbokid.. I imagine Dustoff was joking about law enforcement. But you may want to sleep with one eye open. Art may show up at your door with his conservative attack sheep....
i think i saw a few of those sheep mulling around my backyard, and there are alot of missing children in town lately. Also does art drive a black ford f-150 with two rebel flags swinging in the wind? if so i think he is on to me.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by turbokid: [QB] so what your saying is that by posting an article written by somebody else that puts me in the limelite for an investigation on a conspiracy to harm people? Are you outside of your mind?
Well now that we have a discussion,(although off topic) perhaps this is the time to ask you why i am in the wrong for posting an article i found while reading stories about the London attacks?
If you have a differing viewpoint, at least disect the article and tell me how much of an idiot i am for posting it(like art does) and back up your accusations with facts or your own opinions, instead of saying i should be investigated for conspiracy to do harm to people.
no i am sorry i dont know what DUSTOFF stands for but i will take a guess Doesnt Usually Shower Thursday Or Friday Frequently ? i know you hate me but this is my attempt to give you a chuckle. and perhaps ask you to lighten up a bit, i hope it worked we are on the same team, American.
------------------------------------------------- Outside of my mind? Yep!
Out of respect for the Medal of Honor reciepients of the Dustoff crews from Viet Nam, I will let you discover they're story.
Many Vets have told me the crews of the Dustoff slicks would appreciate the rememberance shown every time I post.
I have seen them in action, no Braver men on Earth.
Don't hide behind the scum bucket articles you post...
If thats the way you feel fine,,,,but be a man and use your own words.
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What does the article say? Can someone tell me its central thesis?
It mentions Rove as committing treason. Anyone who says this is nuts. Rove told a Time reporter not to print that Wilson was sent ot Niger by Cheney, as the reporter was going to do, because this was not true - even though Wilson lied and told the press that Cheney sent him to Niger when Cheney had nothing to do with it.
Rove was just trying to set the reporter straight and not print the lies that Wilson had spread. Rove told the Time reporter that it was not Cheney that sent Wilson to Niger, but Wilson's own wife, who worked for the CIA (and Rove did not know her name), had told her boss at the CIA that Wilson (her husband) should be sent to Niger, and the boss did it.
Nothing here at all - democratic witch hunt. Treason on the part of Rove? Absolutely insane to think this.
And that picture is not a sheep - that's my wife.
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Art: Rove was just trying to set the reporter straight and not print the lies that Wilson had spread. Rove told the Time reporter that it was not Cheney that sent Wilson to Niger, but Wilson's own wife, who worked for the CIA (and Rove did not know her name), had told her boss at the CIA that Wilson (her husband) should be sent to Niger, and the boss did it
glasssleuth:
i see you finally have the Gingrich talking points memorized now anyway..good for you Art..
at least you've abandoned that ridiculous "cocktail party" gossip claptrap....
let's be real here tho... if you are protecting the cover of CIA OPERATIVES and i use the plural because the name of one leads to the names of others, you would LIE, and be expected to, to give some credibility to your mission, without BLOWING peoples covers...and getting them killed or worse
the invesatigation should have been over a long time ago, but it wasn't...
i really don't want to see another watergate, i hope i'm wrong, but all the indications are that something is gonna be coming out before long and it ain't gonna be pretty....
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quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: The terrorists have stated repeatedly that they would harm england if it didnt pull out of Iraq.....
Many liberals, such as the author of the article at the beginning of this thread, don't want to blame the terrorists for what they alone do - they blame Bush, the USA, or western leaders who fight the terrorists.
Such liberals are clearly pro-terrorists and anti Bush, anti USA, anti western-society, etc.
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Art: Rove was just trying to set the reporter straight and not print the lies that Wilson had spread. Rove told the Time reporter that it was not Cheney that sent Wilson to Niger, but Wilson's own wife, who worked for the CIA (and Rove did not know her name), had told her boss at the CIA that Wilson (her husband) should be sent to Niger, and the boss did it
glasssleuth: i see you finally have the Gingrich talking points memorized now anyway..good for you Art..at least you've abandoned that ridiculous "cocktail party" gossip claptrap....
Art: No, I've abandoned nothing. It was common knowledge among many Washinton insiders that Wilson's wife was working for the CIA. She worked at Langley, openly. She drove to and from there, and parked there, in working there.
Now, what was unknown by many (Rove included, who did not even know her name, only that she was Wilson's wife who had recommended that he go to Niger) was that she was an undercover agent. Undercover agents don't go to Langley and work - they work in the field and don't go regularly to Langley. Wilson's wife was an exception and few knew she was undercover.
glassman: let's be real here tho... if you are protecting the cover of CIA OPERATIVES and i use the plural because the name of one leads to the names of others, you would LIE, and be expected to, to give some credibility to your mission, without BLOWING peoples covers...and getting them killed or worse.
Art: So, what you say here is real proof that Rove broke the law? You need to rush to the grand jury and tell them this - it's your civic duty. Don't be surprised if they have you committed though.
Now if you want reality: if a reporter was going to report that Cheney sent Wilson to Niger (as Wilson had previously lied to the press in asserting), when you knew this was not so and that Wilson's wife (whatever her name, and you knew she worked in the CIA but not as an undercover agent) was the one that influenced the CIA to send Wilson to Niger, why wouldn't you steer this reporter toward the truth?
glassman: i really don't want to see another watergate,
Art: Self-deception. That's exactly what you want to see, which is why you endorse delusional ideas about conspiracy and suppressing valid intel by Bush - utter nonsense.
glassman:...but all the indications are that something is gonna be coming out before long and it ain't gonna be pretty....
Art: In your dreams.
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Art: Self-deception. That's exactly what you want to see, which is why you endorse delusional ideas about conspiracy and suppressing valid intel by Bush - utter nonsense
glass:
you been reading too much limbugger garbage art..now you think you know more than you do too...
by the way? the suppression of intel isn't a theory..it's fact..the question is WHO did it, not whether it was done.....
rove is innocent until proven guilty... i don't know if a crime was committed yet either,
and i'm glad judith miller is in jail...
i hope anybody that did commit a crime here goes to jail too..
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So, what you say here is real proof that Rove broke the law? You need to rush to the grand jury and tell them this - it's your civic duty. Don't be surprised if they have you committed though.
Now if you want reality: if a reporter was going to report that Cheney sent Wilson to Niger (as Wilson had previously lied to the press in asserting), when you knew this was not so and that Wilson's wife (whatever her name, and you knew she worked in the CIA but not as an undercover agent) was the one that influenced the CIA to send Wilson to Niger, why wouldn't you steer this reporter toward the truth?
glassman:
this is a perfect example of why i have NO respect for the ultra-right Art....
your first statement here MISQUOTES me... this is a common tactic used by propagandists to confuse their feeble minded followers....
So, what you say here is real proof that Rove broke the law?
i didn't say that...
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Now if you want reality: if a reporter was going to report that Cheney sent Wilson to Niger (as Wilson had previously lied to the press in asserting), when you knew this was not so and that Wilson's wife (whatever her name, and you knew she worked in the CIA but not as an undercover agent) was the one that influenced the CIA to send Wilson to Niger, why wouldn't you steer this reporter toward the truth?
glassman:
another "talking point" (code word for propaganda dissemination) that the ultra-right has been using to convince their followers that Wilson is a damn liar is the supposed claim that Wilson said Cheney sent him to Niger... he never claimed that...
here is a more precise statement of who said what... note the date...this is old news...
By Timothy Noah Posted Thursday, July 24, 2003, at 4:14 PM PT
.....He even said (of Saddam) on the March 16 Meet the Press, "We believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." Cheney was the first White House official to inquire into the yellowcake story (after reading about it in an intelligence briefing), and former diplomat Joseph C. Wilson IV, in a July 6 op-ed for the New York Times, wrote that the CIA sent him to Niger in 2002 to check out the yellowcake story because "Vice President Dick Cheney's office had questions."
that's not the same thing as saying Cheney ORDERED it.... they were just doing their job...
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Art: Self-deception. That's exactly what you want to see, which is why you endorse delusional ideas about conspiracy and suppressing valid intel by Bush - utter nonsense
glass:...by the way? the suppression of intel isn't a theory..it's fact..the question is WHO did it, not whether it was done.....
Art: Your facts are liberal lies. Anyone in this country that has suppressed valid intel is a traitor and needs to be tried for treason.
Where is your proof that your "fact" is indeed a fact, rather than just another liberal lie?
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Art: Rove was just trying to set the reporter straight and not print the lies that Wilson had spread. Rove told the Time reporter that it was not Cheney that sent Wilson to Niger, but Wilson's own wife, who worked for the CIA (and Rove did not know her name), had told her boss at the CIA that Wilson (her husband) should be sent to Niger, and the boss did it
glasssleuth: i see you finally have the Gingrich talking points memorized now anyway..good for you Art..at least you've abandoned that ridiculous "cocktail party" gossip claptrap....
Art: No didn't abandon anything. It was common knowledge in Washinton that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA - this was in fact publicly published knowledge, per my posts earlier in the Rove thread.
glassman: let's be real here tho... if you are protecting the cover of CIA OPERATIVES and i use the plural because the name of one leads to the names of others, you would LIE, and be expected to, to give some credibility to your mission, without BLOWING peoples covers...and getting them killed or worse...the invesatigation should have been over a long time ago, but it wasn't...i really don't want to see another watergate, i hope i'm wrong, but all the indications are that something is gonna be coming out before long and it ain't gonna be pretty....
Art: So, what you say here is real proof that Rove broke the law? You need to rush to the grand jury and tell them this - it's your civic duty. Don't be surprised if they have you committed though. Now if you want reality: if a reporter was going to report that Cheney sent Wilson to Niger (as Wilson had previously lied to the press in asserting), when you knew this was not so and that Wilson's wife (whatever her name, and you knew she worked in the CIA but not as an undercover agent) was the one that influenced the CIA to send Wilson to Niger, why wouldn't you steer this reporter toward the truth?
glassman: this is a perfect example of why i have NO respect for the ultra-right Art.... your first statement here MISQUOTES me... this is a common tactic used by propagandists to confuse their feeble minded followers....
Art: So, what you say here is real proof that Rove broke the law?
glassman: i didn't say that...
Art: Yes you said Rove should have lied and not told the Time reporter the truth, because, in your own words:... if you are protecting the cover of CIA OPERATIVES and i use the plural because the name of one leads to the names of others, you would LIE, and be expected to, to give some credibility to your mission, without BLOWING peoples covers...and getting them killed or worse...the invesatigation should have been over a long time ago, but it wasn't...i really don't want to see another watergate, i hope i'm wrong, but all the indications are that something is gonna be coming out before long and it ain't gonna be pretty....
Art: So you are saying that Rove broke the law.
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and, according to OUR OWN EXPERTS? these things aren't buried in the sand (as you often suggest while crossing your fingers and hoping).....
Glass, sorry haven't checked the link--but will if mentions the possibility of:
1) stashing the infrastructure in the "meantime" leading up to US invasion (they had the time, knew we were coming)
2) something I've mentioned before--dumping the "inventory" in the oil wells, then igniting upon invasion.
Sorry, if it seems like "dead horse whuppin," but I've never gotten a satisfactory answer to what seems to me an "Ocham's Razor"-type explanation of how the WMD disappeared. ie, we know they used them on their own peeps, yes?
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and, according to OUR OWN EXPERTS? these things aren't buried in the sand (as you often suggest while crossing your fingers and hoping).....
Glass, sorry haven't checked the link--but will if mentions the possibility of:
1) stashing the infrastructure in the "meantime" leading up to US invasion (they had the time, knew we were coming)
2) something I've mentioned before--dumping the "inventory" in the oil wells, then igniting upon invasion.
Sorry, if it seems like "dead horse whuppin," but I've never gotten a satisfactory answer to what seems to me an "Ocham's Razor"-type explanation of how the WMD disappeared. ie, we know they used them on their own peeps, yes?
sorry tex.... not halfway close to possible....
the FACTS: as reported by OUR OWN EXPERTS hired by the PRESIDENT and as reported to HIM...NO WMD and no WMD projects in Iraq since 91----
you guys trip me out..they weren't there, and there were no nuke programs no nuke weps and no bio-labs on wheels..it was all trash...
i can't get over how many people won't face this REALITY....
go to the web site...take a couple days with it... the whole WMD thing was faked by a small group of people and Chalabi (the iraq VP now) was a major player...and Judith Miller was one of his biggest rubes.....
they ain't buried and they ain't in friggin oil wells and set on fire.. i'm sorry, but that's the conclusion of the most qualified experts on the planet..NOT ME and not "liberal liars" but the Pentagon's BEST...
this report has been out for months (since April) and people still don't acknowledge it.... BUSH has acknowledged it tho....he had no choice it was HIS report....
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allz I'm asking is: have you seen anywhere, anytime someone discussed at length/depth/maturity the 'oil well theory'?
not asking for "such & such committee concluded" . . . I'm thinking *someone, somewhere* must have ___at least____ asked the question...I mean, c'mon: chit gets pumped down oil wells, all the time...
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Art: So, what you say here is real proof that Rove broke the law?
glassman: i didn't say that...
Art: Yes you said Rove should have lied and not told the Time reporter the truth, because, in your own words:... if you are protecting the cover of CIA OPERATIVES and i use the plural because the name of one leads to the names of others, you would LIE, and be expected to, to give some credibility to your mission, without BLOWING peoples covers...and getting them killed or worse...the invesatigation should have been over a long time ago, but it wasn't...i really don't want to see another watergate, i hope i'm wrong, but all the indications are that something is gonna be coming out before long and it ain't gonna be pretty....
Art: So you are saying that Rove broke the law.
glassman:
Rove should have said what i and every person ever involved with any sensitive information is trained to say... it's quite simple really...
NOTHING....
"I can neither confirm nor deny......"
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quote:Originally posted by BuyTex: allz I'm asking is: have you seen anywhere, anytime someone discussed at length/depth/maturity the 'oil well theory'?
not asking for "such & such committee concluded" . . . I'm thinking *someone, somewhere* must have ___at least____ asked the question...I mean, c'mon: chit gets pumped down oil wells, all the time...
tex, we sent the best... they were given a command by the President to FIND THE WMD... they didn't come back empty-handed to make Bush-Cheney look bad... they questioned 10's of thousands of Iraqi's as well as doing their own digging...the report is quite clear...
we either have the best men and women in the world doing the best job for US or we don't....
which is it?
i say: they are the best and they did their best...
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luv ya, man--simply want to see (as a geology minor and deer-hunter who grew up amidst oil-play ((iow, pumps ringing in the background, as you approach...)) ) where/when *anybody* has addressed this question, in print, preferably. I tend to think a credible group opinion would include that of a geologist or petro-engineer...
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sorry, a google search shows we intentionally avoided oil wells when we bombed Iraq, and that we secured them first... no WMD found in them they are the subject of tight security and scrutiny...
from a DOD News Article right after the war started...
# One of the three existing well fires in the Rumailah oil fields was extinguished yesterday and the well head has been capped. Work to extinguish the remaining two fires continues and should be completed in the next few days.
# More than 600 oil wells have been secured, and efforts to protect the wealth that belongs to the Iraqi people are succeeding.
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You started this discussion with: What's Behind the London Attacks? The bombing of the London Underground was a false-flag operation designed to keep the West mired in war. Don't believe otherwise.
Only one word sprang to mind when I heard about the bombings that claimed the lives of dozens of Londoners today convenient. As I sit in my office today, I hear the whispers of co-workers now utterly convinced our war on terror must continue. Despite American and British involvement in the Middle East birthing wave after wave of rebel forces.
Nothing indicates that the American and British involvement in the Middle East has anything to do with these attacks. Their involvement there is the result of terrorist attacks not the cause of them. These attacks started long before 9-11. Remember the plane that was blown up over Ireland that killed innocent civilians and the attacks elsewhere in the world over the years. They have been getting steadily more sophisticated and that sophistication led to the use of passenger jet planes, full of civilians, to be use as bombs and flown into buildings full of civilians and not just American civilians, but filled with people from countries all over the world. Islamic terrorism even started before there was an Israel in 1948. Trying to blame Israelies or Americans is just an excuse, even if the two countries disappeared, the attacks would continue. It is perpertrated by fanatics who can't stand the thought that there are people in the world that don't think like they do. It is not brought on by the poverty of Muslims. They have been recruting rich Muslims in European and even American universities to carry out terrorist attacks to kill Infidels, including and in many cases specifically not just civilians, but children. The overwhelming majority of Muslims want to improve themselves and get along with the rest of the world. These are also the people that these extremists are targeting. It may just be a matter of time until they have perfected their methods to the point where they will be able to release biological or dirty nuclear bombs into European or American major metropolitan areas. That could mean that YOU OR YOUR LOVED ONES WILL DIE BECAUSE OF THESE TERRORISTS. THIS IS WAR AND WE HAD BETTER WELL WIN IT. The Muslim communities are starting to realize it. If all our peoples, Muslim and European, Japanese etc. decide that we will no longer tolerate these dispicable COWARDLY killers and start to REALLY do something about them, then the tide will turn against them. If you want to talk to someone that realizes this, then how about going to some of the victoms of the recent bombings that surrived the carnage and shake their hands, that is, if they still have a hand that you can shake.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: sorry, a google search shows we intentionally avoided oil wells when we bombed Iraq, and that we secured them first... no WMD found in them they are the subject of tight security and scrutiny...
from a DOD News Article right after the war started...
# One of the three existing well fires in the Rumailah oil fields was extinguished yesterday and the well head has been capped. Work to extinguish the remaining two fires continues and should be completed in the next few days.
# More than 600 oil wells have been secured, and efforts to protect the wealth that belongs to the Iraqi people are succeeding.
Glassy, I see the stuff about wells being secured--but don't see anything to indicate anybody invetigated their contents. . .
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i do rememeber you asked before, and i've done numerous searches and i can't find any mention on looking down the oil wells anywhere buy tex....
that's why i said i'm sorry...can't find you an answer... i realize this morning re-reading it that i came across snide... it's just frustrating to keep hearing people say they hid the WMD... we interviewed 10's of thousands of people before we determined that the WMD programs were non-existant...
WMD are not something you keep in a garage or a storage trailer in your back yard in the desert...
high explosives( the kind required to detonate a nuke device) deteriorate quickly in high heat...
bio-weps type cultures have to be kept at minus 80 degrees or they die....etc.. etc.. etc..
the degree of sophistication required to wage WMD war is much higher than you find in your , say , your average kitchen meth-lab type of stooge....
i am not saying we don't face a serious threat from terrorists, but i am saying that ANY WMD program requires a great deal of work by extraordinarily skilled people.....
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Turbokid, I belong in another forum, and some of the people there, live right where the bombings were! They were suicide bombers, and they were of Arab origin. Terrorists! Unfortunately, the one that they think is the leader, was trained in North Carolina several years ago, in chemicals! The tragedy happened. There are over fifty innocent people dead, and many without limbs now in England! We need to keep vigilant! We need to start evaluating the people that enter our colleges, to study subject matter like these, and do something to monitor them! If they refuse, then refuse them the education! Something has to be done to prevent these things from happening from our country!
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quote:Originally posted by Kate: Turbokid, I belong in another forum, and some of the people there, live right where the bombings were! They were suicide bombers, and they were of Arab origin. Terrorists! Unfortunately, the one that they think is the leader, was trained in North Carolina several years ago, in chemicals! The tragedy happened. There are over fifty innocent people dead, and many without limbs now in England! We need to keep vigilant! We need to start evaluating the people that enter our colleges, to study subject matter like these, and do something to monitor them! If they refuse, then refuse them the education! Something has to be done to prevent these things from happening from our country!
i've been saying this for years Kate...
the whole Pakistani nukular program was created because the US and the UK trained their scientists in OUR universities...
the Pakis practically took over the whole nuke engineering dept at one Tennessee university...
at a lot of Universities? they are giving hiring preferences to foreigners over our own US citizens.... this is happening at all levels, from grad students to tenured professors... it's a real problem......
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There is no doubt a goal of Muslims is to detonate a nuclear weapon somewhere in the Western world, with an intent to murder millions, now and well into the future.
If they do, chances are good nuclear weapons will rain down upon the mid-east. I would, with great regret, sorrow and guilt, support nuking the mid-east in retribution and defense.
I also know this would destroy Earth, in time. There will no winners, none.
Muslims have declared a war of genocide against Christians, be sure.
It is not fair, it is wrong, it is bigotry, but I am moving closer to a compassionate hatred of all Muslims.
Why are Muslim leaders not actively speaking out against their own? Why are the Muslim not declaring war on thier own?
We Christians, if we engaged in activities as do the Muslims, we would be instantly at war, Christian killing Christian. We would not even tolerate, amongst ourselves, what Muslim tolerate amongst their own.
Majority Muslim acquiescence signals me a majority of Muslims condone abhorrent genocide. I would rather not believe that, but I do not see nor hear any real action be taken by Muslims.
I recall Palestinian dancing in the streets with joy, with the news of nine-eleven. Shown only briefly that day, all footage of their rejoice was quickly censored, but not before we saw.
I do not like the Palestinian. I know what they are truly like; they enjoy our slaughter.
A viable but tragic solution is to rid the Western world of Muslims, and many countries are doing just that; non-lethal genocide. This, of course, will only make the problem worse.
Circumstances will worsen because Muslims demand we allow them to live here, to enjoy a living, to enjoy education, to enjoy freedom, with one of those freedoms being slaughtering our children in the name of their "God."
I have having extreme difficulties justifying the existence of Muslims, and this tears both my mind and my heart apart.
Very harsh words. I am being torn apart by this.
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