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you always type too fast (too fast, not "to fast"). your posts are riddled with typos, bad grammar, and misspellings. and as we see here you also read too fast. so fast that you add things. things that aren't there. significant things.. like the death-by-beating of four girls! you apologize for this, but then make light of it, completely ignoring the grander point about how we see what we want to see.. (easily the most interesting concept raised so far in this thread.. if i do say so.)
and nobody said anything about pitying blacks. i suppose i could be said to pity the ignorant, and the victims of the ignorant. this would include all the members of the rumble. and it's not really about pity anyway. pity is not very useful. compassion is better.
i would have compassion for the attackers bcs they are racist (something we don't have firm proof of, by the way...) --compassion because they are racist, which is a form of ignorance. not bcs they are black.
by focussing on their being black you perpetuate the racism, the us-againt-them-ism that they suffer from, the very flaw that caused (we assume) the attack! if you focus on the racism as being the problem inside these attackers (not their skin color,) then you yourself rise above the problem that is making them and others ignorant... and take on a position to help others to evolve. (like your girls, for ex.) if you see the problem with the attackers being their skin-color then you are no different than they are, and onward we go, round and round this circle of ignorance.
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quote:Talk to the victims and ask them if it were minor vs you making that determination.
i said it was minor compared to other hate crimes. (this is fact, not debatable.) one which i'm sure the girls and their families are well aware of... "thank god it wasn't worse. it could have been worse." has surely been said close to every one of those ice-packs.. i did not say, nor imply, that it doesn't suck to have your head smashed on the ground or your nose broken. those things are simply "minor" compared to brain damage, or death.
your reading comprehension, again..
and what was it you said about my thought? distorted? how? where? in what way? don't you think you ought to back that up? i have a very high IQ...and an insane passion for careful analysis. how is my thought distorted?
by "distorted" do you mean "unlike mine" ???
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quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: 4 black by 30 white..i typed to fast..
if it were 4 black and 30 white attackers it would make national headlines and everyone will be brought up on charges. Also it would be the first thing mentioned, a hate crime against blacks. I think the purpose of the article was to give a little more evidence that you are only guilty of a hate crime if your white, and that the laws are biased towards whites for hate crimes. Blacks seem know this and use it to their advantage, the same with jews and the holocaust. Ive seen this first hand at my job, both from blacks and mexicans, any time the boss has them do something they dont want to do, they pull the race card and say, "your making me do this cause im black" or " oh, i see you have to make an example of the mexicans." And guess what happens when they use the race card, you guessed it, the boss chickens out and makes sombody else do it, afraid that they will go to human resources and file a complaint. nowthen, im not a racist person but this kind of activity, if left to continue is bad news. It reminds me of a bumper sticker i saw that says, "equal rights dont mean special rights"
-turbo
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Your right Turbo and we also know the white girls did not make racial slurs because if they had they would be up for hate crime charges.
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The following article (Ref. 1) appeared in the Brooklyn Skyline publication and dealt with the vicious, brutal attack on four White little girls by 30 blacks. As you will see from the article. Although the attackers screamed “Black Power” and called their victims “white crackers” the authorities were quick to announce that the attack was not a hate crime! The attack occurred around Easter but there was no coverage of this attack other than this publication weeks later.
Anyone with the slightest degree of intelligence knows that if the situation were reversed and 30 Whites violently attacked 4 little Black girls yelling “Ni–r” and “White Power” the story would have been on the front page of every daily newspaper in America and on the the evening news of every network and news channel. A huge outcry against the attackers would go up with likely comments from Hollywood stars and even the President Bush. Not only would the establishment refer it as a “hate crime” but there would be demands for felony prosecution of the attackers under civil rights laws as well as the laws of NY state.
But it was four little White girls who were attacked. We need to remember that White people have no “civil or human rights” in America. White victims of a horrendous hate crime are not even worth a local mention in the morning paper. And, to think, there are some people who think it is blacks who are the real victims of white bias and violence.
"Invoking the name 'Martin Luther King' and screaming 'Black Power!' a gang of up to 30 black teens attacked four white girls in Marine Park in what police are saying is not a bias crime..."
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i thought this article was pretty interesting...
By Robert Stacy McCain THE WASHINGTON TIMES Violent crimes like murder, assault, robbery and rape cause far more damage to U.S. race relations than officially recognized "hate crimes," a study based on federal crime statistics concludes. The study reports that some 1.7 million violent interracial crimes involving blacks and whites are committed annually. But in 1997 only 4,105 of those were deemed "hate crimes" under the Hate Crimes Statistics Act of 1990, according to a study by the New Century Foundation, based in Oakton, Va.
Although Americans most often think of "hate crimes" as acts by whites against racial minorities --such as last year's killing of James Byrd in Texas by three white ex-convicts -- the majority of violent crime across racial lines are committed by blacks against whites, the study finds. Black-on-white crimes were almost nine times as frequent as white-on-black crimes, the study reports.
"Hate crimes are thought to be the most serious acts of interracial crime . . . but it is likely that the millions of ordinary interracial crimes -- 90 percent of which are committed by blacks against whites -- are more damaging to race relations," the study concludes.
Jared Taylor heads the New Century Foundation. He is author of Paved With Good Intentions: The Failure of Race Relations in Contemporary America, a 1991 book that documented fundamental problems with U.S. policies on civil rights, crime and welfare. Academics who have studied crime rates said that although some of the New Century report's conclusions may seem startling, the statistics about crime and race are well known to researchers.
"It's an issue that most white scholars ignore, because you can only get in trouble," said Morgan Reynolds, director of the Criminal Justice Center at the Dallas-based National Center for Policy Analysis. "It's no news to anybody who's pursued the differences of race and crime, but it's politically incorrect."
Racial aspects of violent crime are "too sensitive" to be openly discussed, said UCLA professor James Q. Wilson, but they have a major impact on American society. "This affects both races," said Mr. Wilson. "Whites are apprehensive. Blacks are irritated by being subjected to this apprehension."
The New Century Foundation study cites the National Crime Victimization Study (NCVS) for 1994 -- the most recent such study issued by the Justice Department. That latter study reported that blacks committed 1,140,670 violent crimes against whites, while whites committed 135,360 violent crimes against blacks. More than 80 percent of violent crime committed by blacks were perpetrated against black victims; only 16.7 percent of violent crimes against whites were committed by blacks, according to NCVS data cited in the study. But because only 12.1 percent of Americans are black, those figures mean that blacks committed interracial crimes at much higher rates than whites, who constitute 72.7 percent of the U.S. population.
"Put in the most easily understood terms, the average black was . . . 56 times more likely to commit criminal violence against a white than was a white to commit criminal violence against a black," the study said.
The New Century study also finds: Non-Hispanic, U.S.-born whites committed only one homicide that counted as a racial hate crime by the FBI in 1997. The FBI reported only five racially motivated killings in 1997, three that were "anti-black" and two that were "anti-white." In two of the anti-black killings, the killers were Hispanic. In one of the anti-white killings, the killer was an immigrant from India.
"Any study of group crime rates in America is complicated by the inconsistent treatment of Hispanics by different government agencies." The study notes that because the FBI's annual Universal Crime Reports "do not treat Hispanics as a separate category, almost all the Hispanics arrested in the United States go into official records as 'white.' "
The FBI's "Hate Crime Incident Report" lists "anti-Hispanic" as a category of hate crime but does not list Hispanics as a category for perpetrators. This "inflates the number of hate crimes committed by 'whites' by calling Hispanics white" and "gives the impression that Hispanics never commit hate crimes," according to the study, which notes that "most Hispanics think of themselves as . . . distinct from non-Hispanic whites, and are perceived by others as a different group."
"Blacks are arrested at dramatically higher rates than other racial groups." Compared with whites, blacks are nine times as likely to be arrested on robbery or murder charges, and about four times as likely to be arrested on assault, rape or car-theft charges, according to the study.Civil rights activists argue that police arrest blacks more often than whites because of racism.
Accusations of "racial profiling" by law enforcement made headlines in February when the head of the New Jersey State Police was fired after he said minority groups were more likely to be involved in drug trafficking. Federal crime statistics show that 63 percent of those arrested for drug offenses are black or Hispanic. Asians are arrested at lower rates than other racial groups, with rates about half those of whites.
"The single best independent indicator of a jurisdiction's crime rate is the percentage of its population that is black. . . . The tendency is clear: The higher the percentage of blacks, the greater the number of murders."
The racial disparity in crime rates makes integration difficult, Mr. Wilson of UCLA said. "The fact that whites and blacks have different rates of crime -- especially violent crime -- affects the willingness of whites to live in black neighborhoods." As damaging to race relations as such fears and suspicions may be, Mr. Wilson said, "it doesn't get discussed by politicians very much, but it's a fact of daily discourse."
Mr. Taylor's work, Paved With Good Intentions, was praised by economist Walter E. Williams of George Mason University. "If racism is ever going to d ie a well-deserved death, we will have to thank many courageous individuals, and Jared Taylor is one of them," he wrote.
But Mr. Taylor was criticized as an advocate of "the new white racism" by conservative author Dinesh D'Souza, whose 1995 book "The End of Racism" reported many of the same racial problems Mr. Taylor had examined in his earlier book.
The New Century report says hate crime laws "recognize the harm done to society when people are attacked because of race or other characteristics. However, one might ask which does more damage to society: the few thousand violent acts officially labeled as hate crimes or the vastly more numerous interracial crimes of violence that go virtually unnoticed?"
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lucy..i am glad you are so evolved that you imply your superior thinking. in fact, that says how unevolved you are.
If you want to discuss, maybe i will. but if you get personal, i lose respect. so, enuff said. if you dont like my grammar, dont read. maybe i type as i want and dont care what u think cause i know who i am. i know those that criticize have an inferior attitide, a strong need to always put down to make themselves feel good.
i can type with no errors or if i type fast with lots, but dont infer my intelligence by my typing or your demonstrate your unawareness.
i know i dont read posts from those i dont want to give the time so i think going forward your posts are on ignore. do the same for me but stop ur I am right attitude. those are so self righteous are those that are most sinned
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it was a hate crime and yes a possible black riot if the situation was reversed.
that is injustice against whites in this country and i am not a racist but a realist as i say this..
this country was made great by who? by those that worked hard to make it great and not by folks who want welfare or who are parasitic.
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by stating it is a hate crime, i stand up for my rights. It was a hate crime and those that did it, should be punished so the rights of all americans are protected ...
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i think that in general, most crimes are committed by poor people, (most violent crimes,) and most victims are, by comparison to the criminal, wealthy. whites are wealthier, as a group, than blacks. therefore more crimes are committed by blacks, per capita, and more victims are white, per capita. most crime has to do with money, not race. which is why the total # of black-on-white crimes is so much higher than the reported number of black on white *hate* crimes. bcs most of them aren't hate crimes. plain and simple.
"it's all about money ain't a damn thing funny." (RUN DMC, i think... first famous rap song.)
the fact that it would be a bigger story if the races were reversed is a simple function of the pendulum swinging. it's just the way it is.
you don't hear of many women being accused of sexually harrassing fine young men.. (not bcs it doesn't happen.. i'm guessing...? when i get old i know i'm gonna do it..)
[practices nefarious raspy lecherous chuckle...]
we have mob mentality.. witch-hunt mentality. as a culture. we get "into" things.. like for a while it was day-care molesters.. remember?
(oh, and don't forget how HUGE the oj simpson trial was. nothing was ever bigger than that. black on white.)
anyway, the pendulum swings. it's just the way it is. the proper response is not *more racism*. turbo, if your co-worker plays the race-card, please see him or her as an annoying person, as someone with a personality flaw.. but don't attribute it to race. (and don't feel victimized by it. don't let the bozos get you down.) the specific quality you're reacting to is *the tendency to use whatever is available, whether or not it's appropriate, for selfish ends.* women don't do the same thing! it's a common behavior flaw found in any underdog group. it's a basic lack of integrity. and you can find ppl of all races, (and genders) with, and without, basic integrity.
oh and turbo? (and steiner. and about 1/3 of the other allcocks posters..)
YOU'RE!
"you are only guilty of a hate crime if your white." .. it's .... "if YOU"RE white."
your is possessive. your post. your big gun. your bright idea.
you're means "you are" the apostrophe replaces the missing letter. dusty i hope you're listening. (please know that i lie awake at night thinking about the redwoods.. in a dusty fog..)
next week: they're, there, and their. (there, there!) je$us. it's really getting to me. ==========================
thinkmoney, i think you insulted me first! but i apologize for upsetting you. i complained about your posts bcs they're often hard to understand, (you go so fast.) and if you would just hit the preview button first, you'd probably catch a lot of it. but maybe you don't have time.. which i understand .. (but i think often it's a function of being upset. maybe it wouldn't hurt to take a breath...) --------
thinkmoney quote: It was a hate crime and those that did it, should be punished.
lucy - i don't think anyone has disagreed with this. --------
one last thing: i imply my "superior thinking"? you said my thinking was distorted..! i was defending myself against your personal attack!
i do think i'm right, but i'm always ready to be shown i'm wrong.. but you have to make a compelling argument to do that. which i invite.
being proven wrong is one of the best things that can happen in a true explorative debate. that's when growth happens. i love the truth more than i love being right.
meanwhile, you still haven't explained to me why or how my thinking is distorted. (if you're feeling too exasperated or venomous, don't worry about it. we can drop it. no hard feelings...)
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I type fast and I use grammer inappropriately but it doesn't mean anything, maybe for those that sterotype. I do not have a need to defend myself so I will stop. I do enjoy a discussion but i get frenzied at times if I feel attacked. Since, you subsided, I stop.
I do not think crimes are committed more by poor people. I find crime is committed most by those that are poor in mind but not in material wealth.
I do think it was a hate crime since "black power" yelled, etc. Also, when 30 gang up, all black on white, to me that is apparent, it is a violent race crime. I give no justification for it but I do understand it. The attackers are sick in mind and take it out on others.
i think i said that it is fear that is accountable for all negative behavior. I find it very sad when 4 young girls cannot play safely in this society. Something must be done, if for justice. Regardless of race, no one has a right to harm another because of ones' inferiority or whatever. i feel sadly for those 4. The horror they must off experienced to be attacked by a mob. It cringes my stomach to know that the threat is in our society. I think now I support having guns and before I did not.
If my family is at risk by some monsters, I have a right to defend and i would.
What troubles me is that the black on white is not brought to the forefront of issues that must be resolved.
The amish are poor by comparison to alot, yet they are humble and kind and crime minimal in their communities. It is not poor but sickness in mind that fosters crime. Being poor is independent of crime. Many welthy commit crimes. the crime may be diffrent but still a crime.
I think black vilolence is am major issue in this country because that issue makes our society less safe for us and our kids.
No one has a right ot harm annother because of one's own fear and anger and as a society we have to not permit it.
I think one solution is for black america to "own" its problems and help usa stop violence.
I do agree that crime is connected to poverty but it is the sickness in mind that created the poverty and also the crimes. A poor person who knows love would not be so violent.
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The National Geographic Society will do a study of native people around the world. This is a great opportunity to study how far along the evoluntionary ladder certain primitive tribes progressed. Evolution is strongly influenced by environment. Races living in unchallenging environments such as the equatorial races tended to evolve the least. Several Stone Age tribes have been found still in existence not far off the equator. Races living in areas with severe seasonal changes tended to evolve the most (for example the Europeans and Japanese). Unfortunately brain size, intelligence and personality traits for each race will most likely not be documented. Aside from DNA mapping only superficial differences are likely to be recorded. The Jews have relentlessly attacked anyone, who documented intellectual differences between the races. The National Geographic Society will doubtlessly be intimidated into avoiding any field of research not approved by the Jews.
Most people are willing to admit that different breeds of dogs have different personalities, but if anyone suggests that different breeds of people have different racial personalities, the PC world starts screaming in unison. The world has been brainwashed to an unbelievable degree. When Europeans discovered the Third World, many of the tribes there were hunting rival tribes with spears and resorting to cannibalism. Today, these primitive people live in our big cities and carry out their tribal (gang) warfare with guns.
Curiously, the Jews are the most militant in claiming that races don't exist, that all "people" are equal. People like Dr. Philippe Rushton (Ref. 1) who do real work studying racial differences are endlessly challenged by Jewish lunatics, whose main arguments always boil down to "The races are all equal because we say it is so." Amazingly, many of these thoroughly irrational Jews are well-paid university professors (if not chairmen) even though all they ever do is mouth PC platitudes.
Despite what they preach to others, most Jews don't choose to marry their "equal" Mexican or Black comrades. They choose to marry other Jews for "cultural" or "religious" religions. They maintain their racial purity posing as a religion while they work tirelessly to brainwash their rivals (Whites) into inter-breeding with the dullest Third World races, creating a slave population that the Jews can easily control.
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Sarge... Guns Germs and Steel is a good book i recommend it...
it covers this topic well...
for instance...the Tsetse fly killed horses in sub-saharan africa, and NOBODY has ever been able to "break" a zebra, not even us "advanced" honkies. The zebra doesn't succumb to trypanosomiasis which is carried by the tsteste, so the tribes there never had access to a beast of burden...part of the reason they didn't advance culturally in the same direction as the people living in northern africa...
i think the scientific evaluations of evolution say that we are all the same genomically, BUT, culturally we are divergent, but that is changing, and will continue to change...
poor diet in the first 5 years of life can make the most promising genetic specimen a moron....
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