A truly horrendous attack against four White girls took place in Marine Park in New York state. An article (Ref. 1) in a local paper reports "Invoking the name 'Martin Luther King' and screaming 'Black Power!' a gang of up to 30 black teens attacked four white girls in Marine Park in what police are saying is not a bias crime... According to witnesses and parents of the victims, four young girls from St. Edmund’s had the day off from school due to Easter recess. They were playing basketball during dismissal from nearby Marine Park Junior High School, when several Marine Park students demanded to use the court. After adults intervened and asked them to wait their turn, the teens left - but returned in a pack of up to 30, both boys and girls, and stormed into the park. Witnesses say the attackers were all black and called their victims 'white crackers' during the bloody mêlée, which raged for almost 20 minutes. 'This is not being looked at as a bias crime,' NYPD Deputy Inspector Kevin McGinn said at the meeting. 'When I pulled my car up to the park, I witnessed a pandemonium I’ve never seen in my life,' said Debbie, a mother of one victim who asked to remain anonymous for safety reasons. Her daughter ran to the car, screaming, 'They’re going to kill us... The St. Edmund girls were bleeding and beaten to the point where they had cuts, scrapes, footprints and dirt all over them... the attackers surrounded her car and started pounding on the windows as Debbie tried to herd the terrified children into her vehicle. Two girls were hospitalized - one with a broken nose and one with a head injury, according to Edith, the mother of another girl."
If anyone had any doubt that hate crime laws were meant to be used only against Whites, this incident should remove all doubt. Any reasonable person has to admit that race played a BIG part in the attack on the four White girls, but not one local or federal hate crime law is being invoked against the Black attackers. Jews have always gone out of their way to cover up Black crimes. Their influence is responsible for lopsided descisions to prosecute Whites as often as possible while turning a blind eye toward the most blatant Black hate crimes. Only a very few Blacks have ever been charged with hate crimes even though hundreds -if not thousands- of racially motivated assaults by Blacks occur every day.
Jews see Blacks as political allies against Whites. If a Jewish lawyer can get a Black felon out of jail based on the most obscure technicality, he will become a PC hero in the Jewish community and there will likely be a one hour cable show about how Moshe Goldfarb got Rufus Jones off a bank robbery charge by proving that Rufus was too illiterate to write the bank robbery note given to the cashier.
A second attack on the other side of the country in Palmdale, California, had the race of the attacker almost completely covered up. Only one article (Ref. 2) noted that "Witnesses say a 13-year-old pitcher whose baseball team, the Angels, had just lost for the first time this season was being teased at the concession stand by a 15-year-old spectator when he pulled out a bat and beat him. Rourke was white and the suspect is black, but 'racism had nothing to do with it,' Trevino said. 'This is a behavior problem, not a racial problem.' " How in the world can they say that? Perhaps the brainwashed White yuppies in Palmdale don't want to admit you can take the Negro out of the jungle, but you can't take the jungle out of the Negro. At the very least, this is a demonstration of the lack of control so common in the Black population.
Did the 13 year old Black killer murder any of his Black friends, who teased him? That would be the only way to conclusively prove that this was not a hate crime. If this 13 year old Black only murdered one person and that person just happened to be White, it seems highly probable that this could be a hate crime. If the races were reversed, the police would be searching the attacker's home computer to see what web pages he was visiting.
This incident is reminiscent of a recent story about an elderly couple being horribly attacked and mauled by two chimpanzees who got out of their cages as they were visiting their pet chimp in a wildlife sanctuary. Some animals are just too dangerous for people to be around. Both of these two cases of interracial violence suggest that some minorities belong back in the jungle and not in American cities.
Posted by glassman on :
the California baseball bat attack? if that was an African American kid? it has been concealed.... i've seen several TV articles on it and the "identity" of the child has been protected due him being a minor...
i saw the parents of the child that was murdered in an interview yesterday, and they seemed quite forgiving of the murderer, considering the circumstances, i was surprised... they said that their younger son had in years past, been a playmate of the killer....
Posted by keithsan on :
in the law books they always leave out race, since the law should be blind to race. but, when your reading cases and wondering why there was an unusuall ruling or outcome, you can guess that there was some form of racial difference involved....
and if you dig deeper, your usually right.
Posted by glassman on :
there is no question as to who is in jail...this is Colorado
from the ACA...
Offender Population
6.7 million people were on probation, in jail or prison, or on parole at year-end 2002
• 3.1 percent of all U.S. adult residents or one in every 32 adults
State and federal prison authorities had under their jurisdiction 1,440,655 inmates at year-end 2002
I agree with the arguments completely... racism againsts whites is everywhere, and everyone just sits back and takes it.
But whats with saying black people need to 'get back to the jungle'? Thats ****ing ignorant dude. Ignorance never wins against igorance. Even if they have high crime rates, etc., it doesnt mean they are all like that by any means.
Posted by keithsan on :
jails are very bias, even more bias when you get to death row.
also SES is very bias, there is a higher percentage of poor in jail. Hence the discrimination. They should do a study on rich convicts, more white or black.
Posted by keithsan on :
lets take drug dealing. majority of people in jail for this, majority are minorities.
do minorities use more drugs, no.
it is in the way of the dealing. whites tend to buy and sell and use drugs in house.
minorities street dealing is a sign of toughness/coolness, dealing in the open leads to more arrests.
Posted by kevin954 on :
Yeah, I've always found that too. What the **** are they thinking when they are standing on a street corner or sitting in an alleyway? Yeah... the cops aren't gonna find THAT suspicous...
Posted by Sgt. Steiner on :
Notice I said some belong back in the jungle not all not most just some. I am seeing these stories on a daily basis on our local news here. It is my observation that black on white assualt and murder is at epidemic levels here and still it is not being addressed. Keep in mind Matt Hale is spending 40 years in prison for speaking out against the anti white movement in this country yet I doubt any of the blacks involved in the above assault spend more than 1 year behind bars
Posted by glassman on :
i thought he was involved in a murder conspiracy too....
Posted by Sgt. Steiner on :
No he was cleared of that in fact never even charged in that one
Posted by glassman on :
i can't find a clear statement on the charges he was convicted of...web searches just give vague descriptions like this one from the Anti-Defamation League.. Matt Hale receives 40-year prison sentence
Posted: April 6, 2005
Matt Hale received a 40-year prison sentence today for soliciting the murder of a Federal judge in 2002. The former leader of the Creativity movement was convicted last April of trying to arrange the murder of U.S. District Judge Joan Lefkow, who had ruled against Hale's group in a trademark infringement case.
"Before you does stand a man who not only is innocent, not only is demonstrably innocent, but who refused to join a plot against Judge Lefkow's life," Hale said during the sentencing hearing.
i support freedom of speech... even if i don't agree with someone's views...
but i do think that people that assume leadership roles do need to take responsibility for their "speech" as well as their actions...
seems he might be a "victim" of the patriot act, and new anti-terrorist types of law-enforcement..strange twist...
i assume if he's innocent? he will win on appeal...
Posted by glassman on :
do you think this is a real interview or just another form of Jewish propaganda?
Posted by Apenorm57 on :
Abrahah Lincoln was right... should have sent all freed slaves back to Africa
Posted by Sgt. Steiner on :
Glassman I have heard rumblings that somehow they are going to deny him an appeal not sure if there is any truth to this or not. This will be an interesting case to follow
Posted by glassman on :
you have to admit Sarge, he seems to go against the flow of just about everything...
the far right espouses the Christian Church,
and the far left equality...
he flaunts them both....
Posted by Sgt. Steiner on :
Well I think the same folks control the left and the right only small differences exsist
Posted by glassman on :
yes Sarge, i absolutely agree... and they make sure to keep us off balance and struggling... if they aren't showing us the carrot? it's the stick...
Posted by thinkmoney on :
That is horrendous. What do we do?? How do we keep our children safe??
As a race they are violent, and have a high crime rate. That is not to say all are, but as a whole, they are. And, they follow whites anywhere we go crying racism.
I was a a bank the other day. A black woman stormed in and demanded attention and service to her problem. The bank rep waited on her 20 minutes even 2 folks (myself and other) were there first. I said to bank officer unfair that becasue the woman was rude and antagonistic, she got preferential treatment. The bank rep stated that policy is to get out troublemakers. I said, there should be security but to give rude folks prefrential treatment is wrong. And, that scenario plays out alot where the blacks are the ludest and anatagonistic and they get service first.
Posted by Lucy Lastic on :
oh, my, goodness! people!
PROBLEM #1: CONFUSION OF STEREOTYPES
many americans grow up witnessing poor blacks, and mistakenly add what are in fact stereotypes about poverty to their list of stereotypes about blacks.
stereotypes do come from truths. but sometimes they are misplaced, or - come from a truth about the people who created the stereotype--- rather than the people it intends to describe.
for ex: during slavery there were (bogus) scientific papers put out saying the "negro" brain was smaller. this made sensitive whites (women, in particular,) feel better about what was going on. (what was going on was going on for economic reasons.) in the end the stereotype that blacks are, by nature, less intelligent than whites, tells us more about the whites, and their need to justify their crime against humanity. (further truths one might discover behind this stereotype, would include the fact that intelligence tests were designed by white people.).
i grew up in a town where all evidence seemed to point to jews being smarter than gentiles, on average. this, i think it is safe to say, is a fairly widely held stereotype. the "truth" that it comes from-- is that education is highly stressed in the jewish religion. going into the truth behind the stereotype is the only way to go, leading to actual learning, and protecting against ignorant behavior. in this case, the "truth" behind the stereotype suggests "nurture" , rather than "nature".
forgive me here a little tangent ..
the holocaust was a result of many things, but the genuine anti-semitism that existed had jews guilty of certain characteristics - being selfish, crass, conivers... among others. jews were, as we know, money lenders. and tax collectors i think. so there was this sort of resentment. perhaps the sickest irony of the holocoaust was that it created a form of "survival of the fittest" wherein the very qualities most detested were naturally selected in the death camps.. the ones most called for, for survival. -- if you could finagle a deal with a guard, you might get your name off some list, which would get someone else's name ON the list. much like the stock market, saving your own ass meant someone else loses. only it wasn't money, it was life.
as a great jewish psychologist (victor e. frankl) who survived the camps, wrote in his famed "man's searh for meaning":
"sadly, the best of us did not survive."
oh irony of ironies! people who hated jews for not (in their opinions,) being generous kind-hearted loving souls, created a scenario which would sift out the very ones who WERE generous kind-hearted loving souls. (oh the biting reliability of the science of karma!) we work so hard to create our own reality... to get our own beliefs to come true...
(and i'm NOT saying that jews really are these horrible things now.. please.. don't exhaust me more than i exhaust myself..)
ok, end of holocaust tangent. back to stereotypes in general, and american blacks, in particular.
as i said, many of the stereotypes pinned on black americans are misdirected. they are stereotypes of POVERTY. if you lived near a mexican or white ghetto, you might say many of the things you say about blacks, about mexicans or "white trash" instead. who drives around with outrageously loud thumping music pouring out of a hotrod? a black guy? no, a POOR guy. (in little armenia? it's the armenian thug.)
the simple result of making this error is, quite simply: racism. (and obviously any black person who thinks all whites are racist pigs is making the same sad mistake.) this is the diseased thinking which perpetuates ignorance and war. lumping big groups together and assigning simple lists of attributes to them. US AGAINST THEM. it's ignorance.
blacks more violent? when i lived in NY, i played a lot of basketball. my friends (white mostly, guys mostly,) and i, would play half-court 3 on 3. we learned in a hurry that playing with blacks was safer than playing with whites. the white guys aren't as good, not as graceful. so they try to make up for it on dEfense. and you get an elbow in your eye.. (i've been scratched to the point of bleeding by these hulks! and i tend to stay on the outside!) the black kids were more like dancers, offensively, (beautiful to watch,) and tended to be more lazy on dE. it was cultural. they didn't seem to be quite as indoctrinated with "win at all costs" as the collegiate whiteys were.. so all your elbows in the eye, and sprained #$@!!*#! ankles, always came from some pumped-up-at-the-gym over-zealous white hack.
the resultant stereotype: whites are more violent than blacks. but the *truth* behind it, (that i just outlined,) is more informative; that it's in a specific context: of inner-city pick-up basketball, that the stereotype holds up. (and may not hold up elsewhere.)
SGT. STEINER discusses a violent attack of black kids against 4 white girls. we don't know all the details; we don't know if perhaps the girls in question had already hurled racial slurs or some other offense at the attackers, maybe in the past. but never mind that. it is fairly safe to call this a racially motivated attack. to assume the black kids saw "white" girls on the court, rather than simply "4 girls." that they were thinking in terms of "us against them" and everything they hate about white people, they saw in these girls (who might not have been any of those things.) i'm not saying if they WERE racist girls, they deserved to be beaten, but i am saying that the black kids had to have attributed negative qualities to these girls, in order to feel righteous in beating them up. and it's safe to assume those negative attributes were racially inspired.
what's disturbing is, SGT. STEINER then goes on, in his post, to exhibit the very same type of thinking, making sweeping generalizations that are quite simply, racist, (a form of ignorance.) in an attempt to complain about these issues he exhibits the very worst of the problem at hand. no different in his racist thinking from that of the girls' attackers.
you think you can identify a quality or a tendency by the color of a person's skin, you're racist and ignorant. period. no matter who you are.
THINKMONEY's story about the woman at the bank, is a story about a woman with "victim mentality". if you have this mental disorder and happen to be a person of color, you will likely use your color to back up your sense of being mistreated. it is a great error to see this woman's behavior as being primarily stemming from her blackness. it is not. it is from her "victim-trip-ness" and if you think whites don't have it, look again.
the problem here, i believe, is: you have a file in your brain which tracks evidence to back up your racist beliefs. when you witness the woman in the bank, you add it to your file. but when you see a white person acting with the same victim disorder, you do not go and open up your "the problem with blacks" file and DELETE the info you put in there about the black woman victim-tripper.
point: there are victim trippers. some of them are black. some of them are not. (please be more precise and delicate in your thinking.)
and why sit there stewing, making up a racist story to explain what's happening, rather than standing up for yourself? rather than telling this woman "hey, we've been waiting. please wait your turn!"
there is an old expression "the squeaky wheel gets the grease". this is what the bank manager tried to explain to you. the thing i note is, it seems that you only would have filed the experience away under "squeaky wheels" if the woman had been white, and a non-jew. (like you, i'm guessing.) why, because the person has a color on top of being a squeaky wheel, why does that get the experience filed under THE COLOR? when it's all about the SQUEAK? answer: racist ignorance.
FINALLY, while the story about the 4 girls being beaten up seems fairly obviously to be racially motivated, the story about the baseball bat killing does not.
when you hear of a ken lay, do you think of him as being "exemplary" of whites? no, you think of him as being exeplary of corruption. you don't think corruption has a color. and when you are the same color as the person you are thinking about, you often won't think of color at all.
there is no evidence really, that suggests that if the 15 year old taunter were a different color, the tragedy would not have occurred. (there is a chance, of course, that if they were both poor and black, we wouldn't even have heard about it.) the parents themselves are saying this was not racially motivated. it seems to have been an issue of anger, plus not realizing one's own strength... (i assume the boy's intent was to hurt, not to kill.)
the kids had been friends. therefore, they saw each other as many things (not first and formost colors, the way you see a stranger.) maybe the 15 year old was a real teaser and didn't know it really bothered the 13 year old. maybe a lot of things. but if they knew each other, then there were real personalities involved, and you don't just see color, you see qualities. popularity, stupidity, inteligence, smugness, success, generocity, meanness -- whatever.
Posted by bdgee on :
Thank you Lucy for saying so much that I wanted to.
I can't type fast enough. In order to respond to things like this with sufficient specificity and clarity, my post would be showing up days after the thread died.
But I would like to offer one further thought about the 13 year old that killed the other boy with a bat. In this world of cartoons, where Bugs is is run over by a steam roller then gets up paper thin and shakes himself back to normal, and electronic games, wherein the evil deamon that you kill with your space ray is returned to life by hitting the "New Game" button, how do we know the 13 year old even thought about the consequences of his act? And if he did, what makes it reasonable to assume he understood or intended he could kill or even harm?
Posted by Lucy Lastic on :
i don't know. he's 13, not 4.
i mean, i agree there's a problem with all the violence (video games, etc.) and that he probably didn't think about the consequences, (but that's more a function of rage.. who thinks?) or that he wasn't fully aware that a blow to the head in the right position can KILL (on tv, ppl are always getting a blow to the head that knocks them out long enough for the bad guy to do the robbery, then they wake up later..) ... but what i don't fully agree with, is the tendency for people to forget just how developed 13 is.
i think girls are fully *who they are* by about 8. (8 year old girls are the BEST.) and boys, probably by about 12. not adults, mind you, (that takes about 40 years i'm guessin?) but fully formed "individuals." .. with fully developed reasoning powers, and other personality traits completely formed. keep in mind, 2 13-year-olds could become parents. (nature sure thinks we're done developing by then...)
Posted by Apenorm57 on :
C'mon Lucy. The problem is those blacks whose ancestors were slaves. If you speak to those blacks who have immigrated here from the islands or even Africa, they despise the American black. Why? Because they aren't civilized. Their ancestors were the scum of the Earth (that's why they were originally sold into slavery by other blacks - they were the lowest creatures on the social totem pole), then when they were freed, the majority of them continued to remain uncivilized. Slavery is only 150 years old.. that's only 3 or 4 generations. You can't expect an entire slave culture to progress that fast to become decent, law abiding members of the same community that enslaved them. I'm not saying it won't eventually happen in the future - it probably will. Not all blacks hate whitey. And poverty does enflame the situation. But it's about being civilized. It's about decency. These blacks have no idea about either. That is why Abraham Lincoln did have the good idea to send all slaves back to Africa after the Civil War because he could foresee what today would bring. Then, all we would have left in this country are those blacks who were born free (citizens) or those who emigrated here and WANTED to be here, not those who are stuck here.
Posted by bdgee on :
Lucy, I'll avoid comment on the relative adultification of boys and girls. T'would only invite statements of bias and prejudice on that too and I'm as adamantly against sexual discrimination as any other kind.
What I find amazing is that this collection of relatively well educated, bright, and habitually thoughtful, individuals can so easily slip into a pack mentality on these questions.
Posted by glassman on :
all racists are equally "bright" LOL
Posted by Lucy Lastic on :
bdgee, not sure what you're keeping yourself from saying, re: relative adultification of boys and girls. do you disagree that girls mature faster? (or that they both get it done by the time i suggest?)
i know they've done stories on the early development of boys vs. girls, and found a marked difference. and then i just have my experiences...
and of course, it was a big fat tangent.. i have compulsive tangential mania disorder, and can't really afford the treatment right now... apologies to all.
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ape-normal, great moniker. um, so lets see, we're taking this information as solid and good (that the slaves represented the "scum of the earth" ) and we got it from whom? oh, yeah! SLAVE TRADERS! definitely a highly evolved selection of any population; essentially, they would have been considered the scientists and philosophers, the real geniuses of their time and place... (certainly nothing to do with trying to get the blood off their hands, to help them sleep at night..)
and how about the whole concept of "scum of the earth" to begin with... what is that?
the need to be better than someone else stems from some kind of severe insecurity. why are you, and the population of humans your ideas represent, so insecure?
Posted by glassman on :
yeah being a peaceful villager in the wrong place at the wrong time makes you scum of the earth... hmmmm...
being a POW does too... slaves were taken by force...
Posted by thinkmoney on :
I did not have the opportunity to stand up for the bank rep made the decision. and, I was not in a mood to fight. Theere are times to fight and times to walk away. I made the complaint to the bank rep but i was not about to risk my well being due to someone's mental sickness.
and, unfortunately, I will tell my children to walk away from antagonistic folks when appropriate. I wil lteach them to judge for themselves and keep a low profile. Because, sometimes wj=hen you speak up to those that are victims, whatever you risk your well-being and soemtimes it is not worth it.
How many kids have been killed because they spoke up to angry folks?
Even those 4 girls who didnt walk away were killed due to injustice. Talk to teenagers....When you speakup, you invite harm...That is not to say never speak up but use your judgment in each circumstance.
And, lucy, you have a right to your opinion but seems like you are anti-white. so, be it but I think race is an issue in this country but a positive is that alot of blacksand whites are friends and mutual interests. I like some blacks but alot I think use race as a card...
I also think blacks need to take accountability for their lives vs playing victims. History is injustice viewed thru subjective eyes.
But, stop crying and stop being a parasite and do something positive with your lives.
Posted by Lucy Lastic on :
LUCY: some pissed off "me-first" lady at the bank is a likely candidate for physical assault? that's absurd. but the real topic in my post worth commenting on, is the racism. especially in terms of what you are teaching your children.
THINKMONEY: Even those 4 girls who didnt walk away were killed due to injustice.
LUCY: killed?!!! how's your reading comprehension, thinkmoney? according to steiner's post, they were scratched and bruised. one had a broken nose, and one had a head injury (but was not in critical condition.) fairly typical results of a teenaged fight. in light of these facts, it's interesting to me that steiner called it a 'HORRENDOUS ATTACK." compared to other hate crimes, (gay guys beaten to death for ex,) the results of this fight were minor.
what's most interesting, is that you, in scanning his post, somehow internalized the girls' "death" as a result.. we see what we want to see, have our conclusions about life already made and simply fit new evidence in to back them up. when the evidence doesn't fit, we alter or ignore it. our need to see and hear new data pales by comparison to our need to maintain the status quo of our long-since made-up (and closed) minds.
we are not hungry for truth. we are hungry for justification. our minds are sealed shut, tragically...the seams corroded over, threads stripped. . .
(hangs head and weeps, silently.)
Posted by thinkmoney on :
I apologize for saying killed, when harmed. Either way, injustice, and racial and yes my interpretation. And, I disagree with your distorted thought. Yes I will teach my girls values I respect, etc. Thanks god for a free country ..and you lucy worry me. You are the kind I want my gals to avoid.
Posted by thinkmoney on :
Talk to the victims and ask them if it were minor vs you making that determination.
Posted by thinkmoney on :
I will teach my girls truth. and the racism agains whites. sorry, no poor pity blacks for me.
Posted by thinkmoney on :
How about all the promotions based on quotas, etc., etc, etc,? or money stolenn from me and other hard working folks for parasites? I bet if it were 4 balck girls harmed by 30 blacks, liklihood of another riot??
Posted by thinkmoney on :
i meant 4 white by 30 black, then possibe black riot?
Posted by thinkmoney on :
4 black by 30 white..i typed to fast..
Posted by Lucy Lastic on :
you always type too fast (too fast, not "to fast"). your posts are riddled with typos, bad grammar, and misspellings. and as we see here you also read too fast. so fast that you add things. things that aren't there. significant things.. like the death-by-beating of four girls! you apologize for this, but then make light of it, completely ignoring the grander point about how we see what we want to see.. (easily the most interesting concept raised so far in this thread.. if i do say so.)
and nobody said anything about pitying blacks. i suppose i could be said to pity the ignorant, and the victims of the ignorant. this would include all the members of the rumble. and it's not really about pity anyway. pity is not very useful. compassion is better.
i would have compassion for the attackers bcs they are racist (something we don't have firm proof of, by the way...) --compassion because they are racist, which is a form of ignorance. not bcs they are black.
by focussing on their being black you perpetuate the racism, the us-againt-them-ism that they suffer from, the very flaw that caused (we assume) the attack! if you focus on the racism as being the problem inside these attackers (not their skin color,) then you yourself rise above the problem that is making them and others ignorant... and take on a position to help others to evolve. (like your girls, for ex.) if you see the problem with the attackers being their skin-color then you are no different than they are, and onward we go, round and round this circle of ignorance.
Posted by Lucy Lastic on :
originally posted by thinkmoney:
quote:Talk to the victims and ask them if it were minor vs you making that determination.
i said it was minor compared to other hate crimes. (this is fact, not debatable.) one which i'm sure the girls and their families are well aware of... "thank god it wasn't worse. it could have been worse." has surely been said close to every one of those ice-packs.. i did not say, nor imply, that it doesn't suck to have your head smashed on the ground or your nose broken. those things are simply "minor" compared to brain damage, or death.
your reading comprehension, again..
and what was it you said about my thought? distorted? how? where? in what way? don't you think you ought to back that up? i have a very high IQ...and an insane passion for careful analysis. how is my thought distorted?
by "distorted" do you mean "unlike mine" ???
Posted by turbokid on :
quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: 4 black by 30 white..i typed to fast..
if it were 4 black and 30 white attackers it would make national headlines and everyone will be brought up on charges. Also it would be the first thing mentioned, a hate crime against blacks. I think the purpose of the article was to give a little more evidence that you are only guilty of a hate crime if your white, and that the laws are biased towards whites for hate crimes. Blacks seem know this and use it to their advantage, the same with jews and the holocaust. Ive seen this first hand at my job, both from blacks and mexicans, any time the boss has them do something they dont want to do, they pull the race card and say, "your making me do this cause im black" or " oh, i see you have to make an example of the mexicans." And guess what happens when they use the race card, you guessed it, the boss chickens out and makes sombody else do it, afraid that they will go to human resources and file a complaint. nowthen, im not a racist person but this kind of activity, if left to continue is bad news. It reminds me of a bumper sticker i saw that says, "equal rights dont mean special rights"
-turbo
Posted by Sgt. Steiner on :
Your right Turbo and we also know the white girls did not make racial slurs because if they had they would be up for hate crime charges.
Posted by glassman on :
doesn't the bible say the sins of the fathers are visited upon the children?
Posted by Sgt. Steiner on :
The following article (Ref. 1) appeared in the Brooklyn Skyline publication and dealt with the vicious, brutal attack on four White little girls by 30 blacks. As you will see from the article. Although the attackers screamed “Black Power” and called their victims “white crackers” the authorities were quick to announce that the attack was not a hate crime! The attack occurred around Easter but there was no coverage of this attack other than this publication weeks later.
Anyone with the slightest degree of intelligence knows that if the situation were reversed and 30 Whites violently attacked 4 little Black girls yelling “Ni–r” and “White Power” the story would have been on the front page of every daily newspaper in America and on the the evening news of every network and news channel. A huge outcry against the attackers would go up with likely comments from Hollywood stars and even the President Bush. Not only would the establishment refer it as a “hate crime” but there would be demands for felony prosecution of the attackers under civil rights laws as well as the laws of NY state.
But it was four little White girls who were attacked. We need to remember that White people have no “civil or human rights” in America. White victims of a horrendous hate crime are not even worth a local mention in the morning paper. And, to think, there are some people who think it is blacks who are the real victims of white bias and violence.
"Invoking the name 'Martin Luther King' and screaming 'Black Power!' a gang of up to 30 black teens attacked four white girls in Marine Park in what police are saying is not a bias crime..."
Posted by turbokid on :
i thought this article was pretty interesting...
By Robert Stacy McCain THE WASHINGTON TIMES Violent crimes like murder, assault, robbery and rape cause far more damage to U.S. race relations than officially recognized "hate crimes," a study based on federal crime statistics concludes. The study reports that some 1.7 million violent interracial crimes involving blacks and whites are committed annually. But in 1997 only 4,105 of those were deemed "hate crimes" under the Hate Crimes Statistics Act of 1990, according to a study by the New Century Foundation, based in Oakton, Va.
Although Americans most often think of "hate crimes" as acts by whites against racial minorities --such as last year's killing of James Byrd in Texas by three white ex-convicts -- the majority of violent crime across racial lines are committed by blacks against whites, the study finds. Black-on-white crimes were almost nine times as frequent as white-on-black crimes, the study reports.
"Hate crimes are thought to be the most serious acts of interracial crime . . . but it is likely that the millions of ordinary interracial crimes -- 90 percent of which are committed by blacks against whites -- are more damaging to race relations," the study concludes.
Jared Taylor heads the New Century Foundation. He is author of Paved With Good Intentions: The Failure of Race Relations in Contemporary America, a 1991 book that documented fundamental problems with U.S. policies on civil rights, crime and welfare. Academics who have studied crime rates said that although some of the New Century report's conclusions may seem startling, the statistics about crime and race are well known to researchers.
"It's an issue that most white scholars ignore, because you can only get in trouble," said Morgan Reynolds, director of the Criminal Justice Center at the Dallas-based National Center for Policy Analysis. "It's no news to anybody who's pursued the differences of race and crime, but it's politically incorrect."
Racial aspects of violent crime are "too sensitive" to be openly discussed, said UCLA professor James Q. Wilson, but they have a major impact on American society. "This affects both races," said Mr. Wilson. "Whites are apprehensive. Blacks are irritated by being subjected to this apprehension."
The New Century Foundation study cites the National Crime Victimization Study (NCVS) for 1994 -- the most recent such study issued by the Justice Department. That latter study reported that blacks committed 1,140,670 violent crimes against whites, while whites committed 135,360 violent crimes against blacks. More than 80 percent of violent crime committed by blacks were perpetrated against black victims; only 16.7 percent of violent crimes against whites were committed by blacks, according to NCVS data cited in the study. But because only 12.1 percent of Americans are black, those figures mean that blacks committed interracial crimes at much higher rates than whites, who constitute 72.7 percent of the U.S. population.
"Put in the most easily understood terms, the average black was . . . 56 times more likely to commit criminal violence against a white than was a white to commit criminal violence against a black," the study said.
The New Century study also finds: Non-Hispanic, U.S.-born whites committed only one homicide that counted as a racial hate crime by the FBI in 1997. The FBI reported only five racially motivated killings in 1997, three that were "anti-black" and two that were "anti-white." In two of the anti-black killings, the killers were Hispanic. In one of the anti-white killings, the killer was an immigrant from India.
"Any study of group crime rates in America is complicated by the inconsistent treatment of Hispanics by different government agencies." The study notes that because the FBI's annual Universal Crime Reports "do not treat Hispanics as a separate category, almost all the Hispanics arrested in the United States go into official records as 'white.' "
The FBI's "Hate Crime Incident Report" lists "anti-Hispanic" as a category of hate crime but does not list Hispanics as a category for perpetrators. This "inflates the number of hate crimes committed by 'whites' by calling Hispanics white" and "gives the impression that Hispanics never commit hate crimes," according to the study, which notes that "most Hispanics think of themselves as . . . distinct from non-Hispanic whites, and are perceived by others as a different group."
"Blacks are arrested at dramatically higher rates than other racial groups." Compared with whites, blacks are nine times as likely to be arrested on robbery or murder charges, and about four times as likely to be arrested on assault, rape or car-theft charges, according to the study.Civil rights activists argue that police arrest blacks more often than whites because of racism.
Accusations of "racial profiling" by law enforcement made headlines in February when the head of the New Jersey State Police was fired after he said minority groups were more likely to be involved in drug trafficking. Federal crime statistics show that 63 percent of those arrested for drug offenses are black or Hispanic. Asians are arrested at lower rates than other racial groups, with rates about half those of whites.
"The single best independent indicator of a jurisdiction's crime rate is the percentage of its population that is black. . . . The tendency is clear: The higher the percentage of blacks, the greater the number of murders."
The racial disparity in crime rates makes integration difficult, Mr. Wilson of UCLA said. "The fact that whites and blacks have different rates of crime -- especially violent crime -- affects the willingness of whites to live in black neighborhoods." As damaging to race relations as such fears and suspicions may be, Mr. Wilson said, "it doesn't get discussed by politicians very much, but it's a fact of daily discourse."
Mr. Taylor's work, Paved With Good Intentions, was praised by economist Walter E. Williams of George Mason University. "If racism is ever going to d ie a well-deserved death, we will have to thank many courageous individuals, and Jared Taylor is one of them," he wrote.
But Mr. Taylor was criticized as an advocate of "the new white racism" by conservative author Dinesh D'Souza, whose 1995 book "The End of Racism" reported many of the same racial problems Mr. Taylor had examined in his earlier book.
The New Century report says hate crime laws "recognize the harm done to society when people are attacked because of race or other characteristics. However, one might ask which does more damage to society: the few thousand violent acts officially labeled as hate crimes or the vastly more numerous interracial crimes of violence that go virtually unnoticed?"
Posted by thinkmoney on :
lucy..i am glad you are so evolved that you imply your superior thinking. in fact, that says how unevolved you are.
If you want to discuss, maybe i will. but if you get personal, i lose respect. so, enuff said. if you dont like my grammar, dont read. maybe i type as i want and dont care what u think cause i know who i am. i know those that criticize have an inferior attitide, a strong need to always put down to make themselves feel good.
i can type with no errors or if i type fast with lots, but dont infer my intelligence by my typing or your demonstrate your unawareness.
i know i dont read posts from those i dont want to give the time so i think going forward your posts are on ignore. do the same for me but stop ur I am right attitude. those are so self righteous are those that are most sinned
Posted by thinkmoney on :
those that dont take an apology show me how little they are. all respect gone for ya lucy and i take my apology back cause u dont deserve it.
I cant stand ur self righteousness
Posted by thinkmoney on :
it was a hate crime and yes a possible black riot if the situation was reversed.
that is injustice against whites in this country and i am not a racist but a realist as i say this..
this country was made great by who? by those that worked hard to make it great and not by folks who want welfare or who are parasitic.
Posted by thinkmoney on :
by stating it is a hate crime, i stand up for my rights. It was a hate crime and those that did it, should be punished so the rights of all americans are protected ...
Posted by Lucy Lastic on :
Steiner, Turbo,
i think that in general, most crimes are committed by poor people, (most violent crimes,) and most victims are, by comparison to the criminal, wealthy. whites are wealthier, as a group, than blacks. therefore more crimes are committed by blacks, per capita, and more victims are white, per capita. most crime has to do with money, not race. which is why the total # of black-on-white crimes is so much higher than the reported number of black on white *hate* crimes. bcs most of them aren't hate crimes. plain and simple.
"it's all about money ain't a damn thing funny." (RUN DMC, i think... first famous rap song.)
the fact that it would be a bigger story if the races were reversed is a simple function of the pendulum swinging. it's just the way it is.
you don't hear of many women being accused of sexually harrassing fine young men.. (not bcs it doesn't happen.. i'm guessing...? when i get old i know i'm gonna do it..)
[practices nefarious raspy lecherous chuckle...]
we have mob mentality.. witch-hunt mentality. as a culture. we get "into" things.. like for a while it was day-care molesters.. remember?
(oh, and don't forget how HUGE the oj simpson trial was. nothing was ever bigger than that. black on white.)
anyway, the pendulum swings. it's just the way it is. the proper response is not *more racism*. turbo, if your co-worker plays the race-card, please see him or her as an annoying person, as someone with a personality flaw.. but don't attribute it to race. (and don't feel victimized by it. don't let the bozos get you down.) the specific quality you're reacting to is *the tendency to use whatever is available, whether or not it's appropriate, for selfish ends.* women don't do the same thing! it's a common behavior flaw found in any underdog group. it's a basic lack of integrity. and you can find ppl of all races, (and genders) with, and without, basic integrity.
oh and turbo? (and steiner. and about 1/3 of the other allcocks posters..)
YOU'RE!
"you are only guilty of a hate crime if your white." .. it's .... "if YOU"RE white."
your is possessive. your post. your big gun. your bright idea.
you're means "you are" the apostrophe replaces the missing letter. dusty i hope you're listening. (please know that i lie awake at night thinking about the redwoods.. in a dusty fog..)
next week: they're, there, and their. (there, there!) je$us. it's really getting to me. ==========================
thinkmoney, i think you insulted me first! but i apologize for upsetting you. i complained about your posts bcs they're often hard to understand, (you go so fast.) and if you would just hit the preview button first, you'd probably catch a lot of it. but maybe you don't have time.. which i understand .. (but i think often it's a function of being upset. maybe it wouldn't hurt to take a breath...) --------
thinkmoney quote: It was a hate crime and those that did it, should be punished.
lucy - i don't think anyone has disagreed with this. --------
one last thing: i imply my "superior thinking"? you said my thinking was distorted..! i was defending myself against your personal attack!
i do think i'm right, but i'm always ready to be shown i'm wrong.. but you have to make a compelling argument to do that. which i invite.
being proven wrong is one of the best things that can happen in a true explorative debate. that's when growth happens. i love the truth more than i love being right.
meanwhile, you still haven't explained to me why or how my thinking is distorted. (if you're feeling too exasperated or venomous, don't worry about it. we can drop it. no hard feelings...)
peace~
loose
Posted by thinkmoney on :
I type fast and I use grammer inappropriately but it doesn't mean anything, maybe for those that sterotype. I do not have a need to defend myself so I will stop. I do enjoy a discussion but i get frenzied at times if I feel attacked. Since, you subsided, I stop.
I do not think crimes are committed more by poor people. I find crime is committed most by those that are poor in mind but not in material wealth.
I do think it was a hate crime since "black power" yelled, etc. Also, when 30 gang up, all black on white, to me that is apparent, it is a violent race crime. I give no justification for it but I do understand it. The attackers are sick in mind and take it out on others.
i think i said that it is fear that is accountable for all negative behavior. I find it very sad when 4 young girls cannot play safely in this society. Something must be done, if for justice. Regardless of race, no one has a right to harm another because of ones' inferiority or whatever. i feel sadly for those 4. The horror they must off experienced to be attacked by a mob. It cringes my stomach to know that the threat is in our society. I think now I support having guns and before I did not.
If my family is at risk by some monsters, I have a right to defend and i would.
What troubles me is that the black on white is not brought to the forefront of issues that must be resolved.
The amish are poor by comparison to alot, yet they are humble and kind and crime minimal in their communities. It is not poor but sickness in mind that fosters crime. Being poor is independent of crime. Many welthy commit crimes. the crime may be diffrent but still a crime.
I think black vilolence is am major issue in this country because that issue makes our society less safe for us and our kids.
No one has a right ot harm annother because of one's own fear and anger and as a society we have to not permit it.
I think one solution is for black america to "own" its problems and help usa stop violence.
I do agree that crime is connected to poverty but it is the sickness in mind that created the poverty and also the crimes. A poor person who knows love would not be so violent.
peace...
Posted by Sgt. Steiner on :
The National Geographic Society will do a study of native people around the world. This is a great opportunity to study how far along the evoluntionary ladder certain primitive tribes progressed. Evolution is strongly influenced by environment. Races living in unchallenging environments such as the equatorial races tended to evolve the least. Several Stone Age tribes have been found still in existence not far off the equator. Races living in areas with severe seasonal changes tended to evolve the most (for example the Europeans and Japanese). Unfortunately brain size, intelligence and personality traits for each race will most likely not be documented. Aside from DNA mapping only superficial differences are likely to be recorded. The Jews have relentlessly attacked anyone, who documented intellectual differences between the races. The National Geographic Society will doubtlessly be intimidated into avoiding any field of research not approved by the Jews.
Most people are willing to admit that different breeds of dogs have different personalities, but if anyone suggests that different breeds of people have different racial personalities, the PC world starts screaming in unison. The world has been brainwashed to an unbelievable degree. When Europeans discovered the Third World, many of the tribes there were hunting rival tribes with spears and resorting to cannibalism. Today, these primitive people live in our big cities and carry out their tribal (gang) warfare with guns.
Curiously, the Jews are the most militant in claiming that races don't exist, that all "people" are equal. People like Dr. Philippe Rushton (Ref. 1) who do real work studying racial differences are endlessly challenged by Jewish lunatics, whose main arguments always boil down to "The races are all equal because we say it is so." Amazingly, many of these thoroughly irrational Jews are well-paid university professors (if not chairmen) even though all they ever do is mouth PC platitudes.
Despite what they preach to others, most Jews don't choose to marry their "equal" Mexican or Black comrades. They choose to marry other Jews for "cultural" or "religious" religions. They maintain their racial purity posing as a religion while they work tirelessly to brainwash their rivals (Whites) into inter-breeding with the dullest Third World races, creating a slave population that the Jews can easily control.
Posted by glassman on :
Sarge... Guns Germs and Steel is a good book i recommend it...
it covers this topic well...
for instance...the Tsetse fly killed horses in sub-saharan africa, and NOBODY has ever been able to "break" a zebra, not even us "advanced" honkies. The zebra doesn't succumb to trypanosomiasis which is carried by the tsteste, so the tribes there never had access to a beast of burden...part of the reason they didn't advance culturally in the same direction as the people living in northern africa...
i think the scientific evaluations of evolution say that we are all the same genomically, BUT, culturally we are divergent, but that is changing, and will continue to change...
poor diet in the first 5 years of life can make the most promising genetic specimen a moron....
