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Sgt. Steiner
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A truly horrendous attack against four White girls took place in Marine Park in New York state. An article (Ref. 1) in a local paper reports "Invoking the name 'Martin Luther King' and screaming 'Black Power!' a gang of up to 30 black teens attacked four white girls in Marine Park in what police are saying is not a bias crime... According to witnesses and parents of the victims, four young girls from St. Edmund’s had the day off from school due to Easter recess. They were playing basketball during dismissal from nearby Marine Park Junior High School, when several Marine Park students demanded to use the court. After adults intervened and asked them to wait their turn, the teens left - but returned in a pack of up to 30, both boys and girls, and stormed into the park. Witnesses say the attackers were all black and called their victims 'white crackers' during the bloody mêlée, which raged for almost 20 minutes. 'This is not being looked at as a bias crime,' NYPD Deputy Inspector Kevin McGinn said at the meeting. 'When I pulled my car up to the park, I witnessed a pandemonium I’ve never seen in my life,' said Debbie, a mother of one victim who asked to remain anonymous for safety reasons. Her daughter ran to the car, screaming, 'They’re going to kill us... The St. Edmund girls were bleeding and beaten to the point where they had cuts, scrapes, footprints and dirt all over them... the attackers surrounded her car and started pounding on the windows as Debbie tried to herd the terrified children into her vehicle. Two girls were hospitalized - one with a broken nose and one with a head injury, according to Edith, the mother of another girl."

If anyone had any doubt that hate crime laws were meant to be used only against Whites, this incident should remove all doubt. Any reasonable person has to admit that race played a BIG part in the attack on the four White girls, but not one local or federal hate crime law is being invoked against the Black attackers. Jews have always gone out of their way to cover up Black crimes. Their influence is responsible for lopsided descisions to prosecute Whites as often as possible while turning a blind eye toward the most blatant Black hate crimes. Only a very few Blacks have ever been charged with hate crimes even though hundreds -if not thousands- of racially motivated assaults by Blacks occur every day.

Jews see Blacks as political allies against Whites. If a Jewish lawyer can get a Black felon out of jail based on the most obscure technicality, he will become a PC hero in the Jewish community and there will likely be a one hour cable show about how Moshe Goldfarb got Rufus Jones off a bank robbery charge by proving that Rufus was too illiterate to write the bank robbery note given to the cashier.

A second attack on the other side of the country in Palmdale, California, had the race of the attacker almost completely covered up. Only one article (Ref. 2) noted that "Witnesses say a 13-year-old pitcher whose baseball team, the Angels, had just lost for the first time this season was being teased at the concession stand by a 15-year-old spectator when he pulled out a bat and beat him. Rourke was white and the suspect is black, but 'racism had nothing to do with it,' Trevino said. 'This is a behavior problem, not a racial problem.' " How in the world can they say that? Perhaps the brainwashed White yuppies in Palmdale don't want to admit you can take the Negro out of the jungle, but you can't take the jungle out of the Negro. At the very least, this is a demonstration of the lack of control so common in the Black population.

Did the 13 year old Black killer murder any of his Black friends, who teased him? That would be the only way to conclusively prove that this was not a hate crime. If this 13 year old Black only murdered one person and that person just happened to be White, it seems highly probable that this could be a hate crime. If the races were reversed, the police would be searching the attacker's home computer to see what web pages he was visiting.

This incident is reminiscent of a recent story about an elderly couple being horribly attacked and mauled by two chimpanzees who got out of their cages as they were visiting their pet chimp in a wildlife sanctuary. Some animals are just too dangerous for people to be around. Both of these two cases of interracial violence suggest that some minorities belong back in the jungle and not in American cities.

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the California baseball bat attack?
if that was an African American kid?
it has been concealed....
i've seen several TV articles on it and the "identity" of the child has been protected due him being a minor...

i saw the parents of the child that was murdered in an interview yesterday, and they seemed quite forgiving of the murderer, considering the circumstances, i was surprised...
they said that their younger son had in years past, been a playmate of the killer....

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in the law books they always leave out race, since the law should be blind to race. but, when your reading cases and wondering why there was an unusuall ruling or outcome, you can guess that there was some form of racial difference involved....

and if you dig deeper, your usually right.

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there is no question as to who is in jail...this is Colorado


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from the ACA...

Offender Population

6.7 million people were on probation, in jail or prison, or on parole at year-end 2002

• 3.1 percent of all U.S. adult residents or one in every 32 adults

State and federal prison authorities had under their jurisdiction 1,440,655 inmates at year-end 2002

• 1,277,127 under state jurisdiction

• 163,528 under federal jurisdiction

Local jails held or supervised 737,912 people awaiting trial or serving a sentence at midyear 2002.
http://www.aca.org/government/population.asp#demo

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I agree with the arguments completely... racism againsts whites is everywhere, and everyone just sits back and takes it.

But whats with saying black people need to 'get back to the jungle'? Thats ****ing ignorant dude. Ignorance never wins against igorance. Even if they have high crime rates, etc., it doesnt mean they are all like that by any means.

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jails are very bias, even more bias when you get to death row.

also SES is very bias, there is a higher percentage of poor in jail.
Hence the discrimination. They should do a study on rich convicts, more white or black.

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lets take drug dealing. majority of people in jail for this, majority are minorities.

do minorities use more drugs, no.

it is in the way of the dealing. whites tend to buy and sell and use drugs in house.

minorities street dealing is a sign of toughness/coolness, dealing in the open leads to more arrests.

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Yeah, I've always found that too. What the **** are they thinking when they are standing on a street corner or sitting in an alleyway? Yeah... the cops aren't gonna find THAT suspicous...
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Notice I said some belong back in the jungle not all not most just some. I am seeing these stories on a daily basis on our local news here. It is my observation that black on white assualt and murder is at epidemic levels here and still it is not being addressed. Keep in mind Matt Hale is spending 40 years in prison for speaking out against the anti white movement in this country yet I doubt any of the blacks involved in the above assault spend more than 1 year behind bars
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i thought he was involved in a murder conspiracy too....

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No he was cleared of that in fact never even charged in that one
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i can't find a clear statement on the charges he was convicted of...web searches just give vague descriptions like this one from the Anti-Defamation League..
Matt Hale receives 40-year prison sentence

Posted: April 6, 2005


Matt Hale received a 40-year prison sentence today for soliciting the murder of a Federal judge in 2002. The former leader of the Creativity movement was convicted last April of trying to arrange the murder of U.S. District Judge Joan Lefkow, who had ruled against Hale's group in a trademark infringement case.

"Before you does stand a man who not only is innocent, not only is demonstrably innocent, but who refused to join a plot against Judge Lefkow's life," Hale said during the sentencing hearing.


i support freedom of speech...
even if i don't agree with someone's views...

but i do think that people that assume leadership roles do need to take responsibility for their "speech" as well as their actions...


seems he might be a "victim" of the patriot act, and new anti-terrorist types of law-enforcement..strange twist...

i assume if he's innocent? he will win on appeal...

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i found this interview of him in 2000..interesting...
http://crime.allinfoabout.com/old/hale/interview.html

do you think this is a real interview or just another form of Jewish propaganda?

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Abrahah Lincoln was right... should have sent all freed slaves back to Africa
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Glassman I have heard rumblings that somehow they are going to deny him an appeal not sure if there is any truth to this or not. This will be an interesting case to follow
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you have to admit Sarge, he seems to go against the flow of just about everything...

the far right espouses the Christian Church,

and the far left equality...

he flaunts them both....

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Well I think the same folks control the left and the right only small differences exsist
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yes Sarge, i absolutely agree...
and they make sure to keep us off balance and struggling...
if they aren't showing us the carrot? it's the stick...

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That is horrendous. What do we do??
How do we keep our children safe??

As a race they are violent, and have a high crime rate. That is not to say all are, but as a whole, they are.
And, they follow whites anywhere we go crying racism.

I was a a bank the other day. A black woman stormed in and demanded attention and service to her problem. The bank rep waited on her 20 minutes even 2 folks (myself and other) were there first.
I said to bank officer unfair that becasue the woman was rude and antagonistic, she got preferential treatment. The bank rep stated that policy is to get out troublemakers. I said, there should be security but to give rude folks prefrential treatment is wrong. And, that scenario plays out alot where the blacks are the ludest and anatagonistic and they get service first.

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oh, my, goodness! people!

PROBLEM #1: CONFUSION OF STEREOTYPES

many americans grow up witnessing poor blacks, and mistakenly add what are in fact stereotypes about poverty to their list of stereotypes about blacks.

stereotypes do come from truths. but sometimes they are misplaced, or - come from a truth about the people who created the stereotype--- rather than the people it intends to describe.

for ex: during slavery there were (bogus) scientific papers put out saying the "negro" brain was smaller. this made sensitive whites (women, in particular,) feel better about what was going on. (what was going on was going on for economic reasons.) in the end the stereotype that blacks are, by nature, less intelligent than whites, tells us more about the whites, and their need to justify their crime against humanity. (further truths one might discover behind this stereotype, would include the fact that intelligence tests were designed by white people.).

i grew up in a town where all evidence seemed to point to jews being smarter than gentiles, on average. this, i think it is safe to say, is a fairly widely held stereotype. the "truth" that it comes from-- is that education is highly stressed in the jewish religion. going into the truth behind the stereotype is the only way to go, leading to actual learning, and protecting against ignorant behavior. in this case, the "truth" behind the stereotype suggests "nurture" , rather than "nature".

forgive me here a little tangent ..

the holocaust was a result of many things, but the genuine anti-semitism that existed had jews guilty of certain characteristics - being selfish, crass, conivers... among others. jews were, as we know, money lenders. and tax collectors i think. so there was this sort of resentment. perhaps the sickest irony of the holocoaust was that it created a form of "survival of the fittest" wherein the very qualities most detested were naturally selected in the death camps.. the ones most called for, for survival. -- if you could finagle a deal with a guard, you might get your name off some list, which would get someone else's name ON the list. much like the stock market, saving your own ass meant someone else loses. only it wasn't money, it was life.

as a great jewish psychologist (victor e. frankl) who survived the camps, wrote in his famed "man's searh for meaning":

"sadly, the best of us did not survive."

oh irony of ironies! people who hated jews for not (in their opinions,) being generous kind-hearted loving souls, created a scenario which would sift out the very ones who WERE generous kind-hearted loving souls. (oh the biting reliability of the science of karma!) we work so hard to create our own reality... to get our own beliefs to come true...

(and i'm NOT saying that jews really are these horrible things now.. please.. don't exhaust me more than i exhaust myself..)

ok, end of holocaust tangent. back to stereotypes in general, and american blacks, in particular.

as i said, many of the stereotypes pinned on black americans are misdirected. they are stereotypes of POVERTY. if you lived near a mexican or white ghetto, you might say many of the things you say about blacks, about mexicans or "white trash" instead.
who drives around with outrageously loud thumping music pouring out of a hotrod? a black guy? no, a POOR guy. (in little armenia? it's the armenian thug.)

the simple result of making this error is, quite simply:
racism. (and obviously any black person who thinks all whites are racist pigs is making the same sad mistake.) this is the diseased thinking which perpetuates ignorance and war. lumping big groups together and assigning simple lists of attributes to them. US AGAINST THEM. it's ignorance.

blacks more violent? when i lived in NY, i played a lot of basketball. my friends (white mostly, guys mostly,) and i, would play half-court 3 on 3. we learned in a hurry that playing with blacks was safer than playing with whites. the white guys aren't as good, not as graceful. so they try to make up for it on dEfense. and you get an elbow in your eye.. (i've been scratched to the point of bleeding by these hulks! and i tend to stay on the outside!) the black kids were more like dancers, offensively, (beautiful to watch,) and tended to be more lazy on dE. it was cultural. they didn't seem to be quite as indoctrinated with "win at all costs" as the collegiate whiteys were.. so all your elbows in the eye, and sprained #$@!!*#! ankles, always came from some pumped-up-at-the-gym over-zealous white hack.

the resultant stereotype: whites are more violent than blacks. but the *truth* behind it, (that i just outlined,) is more informative; that it's in a specific context: of inner-city pick-up basketball, that the stereotype holds up. (and may not hold up elsewhere.)

SGT. STEINER discusses a violent attack of black kids against 4 white girls. we don't know all the details; we don't know if perhaps the girls in question had already hurled racial slurs or some other offense at the attackers, maybe in the past. but never mind that. it is fairly safe to call this a racially motivated attack. to assume the black kids saw "white" girls on the court, rather than simply "4 girls." that they were thinking in terms of "us against them" and everything they hate about white people, they saw in these girls (who might not have been any of those things.) i'm not saying if they WERE racist girls, they deserved to be beaten, but i am saying that the black kids had to have attributed negative qualities to these girls, in order to feel righteous in beating them up. and it's safe to assume those negative attributes were racially inspired.

what's disturbing is, SGT. STEINER then goes on, in his post, to exhibit the very same type of thinking, making sweeping generalizations that are quite simply, racist, (a form of ignorance.) in an attempt to complain about these issues he exhibits the very worst of the problem at hand. no different in his racist thinking from that of the girls' attackers.

you think you can identify a quality or a tendency by the color of a person's skin, you're racist and ignorant. period. no matter who you are.

THINKMONEY's story about the woman at the bank, is a story about a woman with "victim mentality". if you have this mental disorder and happen to be a person of color, you will likely use your color to back up your sense of being mistreated. it is a great error to see this woman's behavior as being primarily stemming from her blackness. it is not. it is from her "victim-trip-ness" and if you think whites don't have it, look again.

the problem here, i believe, is: you have a file in your brain which tracks evidence to back up your racist beliefs. when you witness the woman in the bank, you add it to your file. but when you see a white person acting with the same victim disorder, you do not go and open up your "the problem with blacks" file and DELETE the info you put in there about the black woman victim-tripper.

point: there are victim trippers. some of them are black. some of them are not. (please be more precise and delicate in your thinking.)

and why sit there stewing, making up a racist story to explain what's happening, rather than standing up for yourself? rather than telling this woman "hey, we've been waiting. please wait your turn!"

there is an old expression "the squeaky wheel gets the grease". this is what the bank manager tried to explain to you. the thing i note is, it seems that you only would have filed the experience away under "squeaky wheels" if the woman had been white, and a non-jew. (like you, i'm guessing.) why, because the person has a color on top of being a squeaky wheel, why does that get the experience filed under THE COLOR? when it's all about the SQUEAK? answer: racist ignorance.

FINALLY, while the story about the 4 girls being beaten up seems fairly obviously to be racially motivated, the story about the baseball bat killing does not.

when you hear of a ken lay, do you think of him as being "exemplary" of whites? no, you think of him as being exeplary of corruption. you don't think corruption has a color. and when you are the same color as the person you are thinking about, you often won't think of color at all.

there is no evidence really, that suggests that if the 15 year old taunter were a different color, the tragedy would not have occurred. (there is a chance, of course, that if they were both poor and black, we wouldn't even have heard about it.) the parents themselves are saying this was not racially motivated. it seems to have been an issue of anger, plus not realizing one's own strength... (i assume the boy's intent was to hurt, not to kill.)

the kids had been friends. therefore, they saw each other as many things (not first and formost colors, the way you see a stranger.) maybe the 15 year old was a real teaser and didn't know it really bothered the 13 year old. maybe a lot of things. but if they knew each other, then there were real personalities involved, and you don't just see color, you see qualities. popularity, stupidity, inteligence, smugness, success, generocity, meanness -- whatever.


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Thank you Lucy for saying so much that I wanted to.

I can't type fast enough. In order to respond to things like this with sufficient specificity and clarity, my post would be showing up days after the thread died.

But I would like to offer one further thought about the 13 year old that killed the other boy with a bat. In this world of cartoons, where Bugs is is run over by a steam roller then gets up paper thin and shakes himself back to normal, and electronic games, wherein the evil deamon that you kill with your space ray is returned to life by hitting the "New Game" button, how do we know the 13 year old even thought about the consequences of his act? And if he did, what makes it reasonable to assume he understood or intended he could kill or even harm?

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i don't know. he's 13, not 4.

i mean, i agree there's a problem with all the violence (video games, etc.) and that he probably didn't think about the consequences, (but that's more a function of rage.. who thinks?) or that he wasn't fully aware that a blow to the head in the right position can KILL (on tv, ppl are always getting a blow to the head that knocks them out long enough for the bad guy to do the robbery, then they wake up later..) ... but what i don't fully agree with, is the tendency for people to forget just how developed 13 is.

i think girls are fully *who they are* by about 8. (8 year old girls are the BEST.) and boys, probably by about 12. not adults, mind you, (that takes about 40 years i'm guessin?) but fully formed "individuals." .. with fully developed reasoning powers, and other personality traits completely formed. keep in mind, 2 13-year-olds could become parents. (nature sure thinks we're done developing by then...)

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C'mon Lucy. The problem is those blacks whose ancestors were slaves. If you speak to those blacks who have immigrated here from the islands or even Africa, they despise the American black. Why? Because they aren't civilized. Their ancestors were the scum of the Earth (that's why they were originally sold into slavery by other blacks - they were the lowest creatures on the social totem pole), then when they were freed, the majority of them continued to remain uncivilized. Slavery is only 150 years old.. that's only 3 or 4 generations. You can't expect an entire slave culture to progress that fast to become decent, law abiding members of the same community that enslaved them. I'm not saying it won't eventually happen in the future - it probably will. Not all blacks hate whitey. And poverty does enflame the situation. But it's about being civilized. It's about decency. These blacks have no idea about either. That is why Abraham Lincoln did have the good idea to send all slaves back to Africa after the Civil War because he could foresee what today would bring. Then, all we would have left in this country are those blacks who were born free (citizens) or those who emigrated here and WANTED to be here, not those who are stuck here.
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Lucy, I'll avoid comment on the relative adultification of boys and girls. T'would only invite statements of bias and prejudice on that too and I'm as adamantly against sexual discrimination as any other kind.

What I find amazing is that this collection of relatively well educated, bright, and habitually thoughtful, individuals can so easily slip into a pack mentality on these questions.

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all racists are equally "bright" LOL

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bdgee, not sure what you're keeping yourself from saying, re: relative adultification of boys and girls. do you disagree that girls mature faster? (or that they both get it done by the time i suggest?)

i know they've done stories on the early development of boys vs. girls, and found a marked difference. and then i just have my experiences...

and of course, it was a big fat tangent.. i have compulsive tangential mania disorder, and can't really afford the treatment right now... apologies to all.

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ape-normal,
great moniker.
um, so lets see, we're taking this information as solid and good (that the slaves represented the "scum of the earth" ) and we got it from whom? oh, yeah! SLAVE TRADERS! definitely a highly evolved selection of any population; essentially, they would have been considered the scientists and philosophers, the real geniuses of their time and place... (certainly nothing to do with trying to get the blood off their hands, to help them sleep at night..)

and how about the whole concept of "scum of the earth" to begin with... what is that?

the need to be better than someone else stems from some kind of severe insecurity. why are you, and the population of humans your ideas represent, so insecure?

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yeah being a peaceful villager in the wrong place at the wrong time makes you scum of the earth...
hmmmm...


being a POW does too... slaves were taken by force...

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I did not have the opportunity to stand up for the bank rep made the decision. and, I was not in a mood to fight. Theere are times to fight and times to walk away. I made the complaint to the bank rep but i was not about to risk my well being due to someone's mental sickness.

and, unfortunately, I will tell my children to walk away from antagonistic folks when appropriate. I wil lteach them to judge for themselves and keep a low profile. Because, sometimes wj=hen you speak up to those that are victims, whatever you risk your well-being and soemtimes it is not worth it.

How many kids have been killed because they spoke up to angry folks?

Even those 4 girls who didnt walk away were killed due to injustice.
Talk to teenagers....When you speakup, you invite harm...That is not to say never speak up but use your judgment in each circumstance.

And, lucy, you have a right to your opinion but seems like you are anti-white. so, be it but I think race is an issue in this country but a positive is that alot of blacksand whites are friends and mutual interests. I like some blacks but alot I think use race as a card...

I also think blacks need to take accountability for their lives vs playing victims. History is injustice viewed thru subjective eyes.

But, stop crying and stop being a parasite and do something positive with your lives.

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LUCY:
some pissed off "me-first" lady at the bank is a likely candidate for physical assault? that's absurd. but the real topic in my post worth commenting on, is the racism. especially in terms of what you are teaching your children.

THINKMONEY:
Even those 4 girls who didnt walk away were killed due to injustice.

LUCY:
killed?!!! how's your reading comprehension, thinkmoney? according to steiner's post, they were scratched and bruised. one had a broken nose, and one had a head injury (but was not in critical condition.) fairly typical results of a teenaged fight. in light of these facts, it's interesting to me that steiner called it a 'HORRENDOUS ATTACK." compared to other hate crimes, (gay guys beaten to death for ex,) the results of this fight were minor.

what's most interesting, is that you, in scanning his post, somehow internalized the girls' "death" as a result.. we see what we want to see, have our conclusions about life already made and simply fit new evidence in to back them up. when the evidence doesn't fit, we alter or ignore it. our need to see and hear new data pales by comparison to our need to maintain the status quo of our long-since made-up (and closed) minds.

we are not hungry for truth. we are hungry for justification. our minds are sealed shut, tragically...the seams corroded over, threads stripped. . .

(hangs head and weeps, silently.)

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I apologize for saying killed, when harmed. Either way, injustice, and racial and yes my interpretation. And, I disagree with your distorted thought. Yes I will teach my girls values I respect, etc.
Thanks god for a free country ..and you lucy worry me. You are the kind I want my gals to avoid.

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Talk to the victims and ask them if it were minor vs you making that determination.
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I will teach my girls truth. and the racism agains whites. sorry, no poor pity blacks for me.
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How about all the promotions based on quotas, etc., etc, etc,? or money stolenn from me and other hard working folks for parasites?
I bet if it were 4 balck girls harmed by 30 blacks, liklihood of another riot??

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i meant 4 white by 30 black, then possibe black riot?
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4 black by 30 white..i typed to fast..
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