quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: When a mom slaps a childs butt, it is because of fear and love intermingled. She fears harm and reacts to alot of her own fears to child and also does love the child.
I would grab the child and tell in a frim voice..do not ever do that because it is danger. Mom loves you, etc.. so, not all slap, thise that do have love and fear intermingled.
For that mom to use an expression of aggression on child even in good intent, only shows her inadequacy.
The act of slapping is motivated by aggression:
1. whether you slap for sadistic pleasure of hurting them
2. or to get them to give you your money
3. or to teach them a valuable lesson because you love them and want what is best for them.
The motivation and response mechanisms are the same but the slap is different in each case because of its different motivation. The last slap is a moral hate expression because it is based in love.
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thinkmoney: I said morality belongs to earthplane. Is it elsewhere?
Art: Morality is soley based in personality processing of value.
Spirits process as we do, basing this on memories of incarante existence on earth. They can thus think in terms of love, hate, good, evil, but only in term of memory of past material experience. Some spirits are evil and some apparitional manifestations are harmful, becasue of this.
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quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: I would Grab the child and assure we all safe. I have no thought to punish this child but to teach. teach the child to avoid danger.
Even grabbing is aggressive - whether done to threaten to get what you want, or to get sadsitic pleasure by making someone afraid of you, or morally to prevent injury to a loved one.
Remebr we are describing it as aggressive in regard to its motivational basis, and not in terms of its intent or its being based in love motivation.
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I just want to ask you guys a question! If you were in a car accident, and they said that you were brain dead, would you want them to pull the plug? How do you know for sure, if you won't come out of the coma? Are the doctors always right? Don't they come up with new cures all of the time? Would you want another chance to live? My husbands Aunt was in a car accident, and we were told she was brain dead! Five months later, she came out of the coma, and with therapy, was able to live quality life! Wouldn't you want that chance? Doctors don't know everything, especially if God wants to change the outcome!
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grabbing - picking up is not aggressive unless you act aggressivelt and harm. when you grab for no motive except to protect, it is protection. when you slap butt, it is punishemnt and albeit you did protect too. but slapping butt is intermingled with fear.
If I pick up a child to hug or to keep harm away, it is all love. When love-fear (hate) intermingled it is because there is love for child intermingled with one's inadequacy, fear, whatever.
But, i see we will not agree and I dont have a need except my expression. so, think as you want but aggression is not love but in this world, love is not perfect so it is mixed with other emotion at times. Love knows no fear, it is the absence of fear.
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I trust my heart. doctors are one resource of many I use for what I need or want.
Why I think it is wrong how the case of sciavo has developed. Her husband should not be her guardian or representative since he is remarried but the courts have used his views to represent terry and that is wrong. His motive has been his interest at expense of Terry. It isabsurd for him to say he loves her yet he has remarried and 2 kids.
he can live as he wants but the courts are wrong to have used him as her guardian. Her parents and siblings should of been terry's voice because they are the ones who come across asthe ones that love her.
Teh courts ruled as is all the time using her husband as protector of her rights. that has been wrong and I am astonished the courts have not seen his selfish transperancy.
I find it a shame and I do find it barbaric how this transpired. whos morality wascarried out with Terry? That sickens. i realize that a husband has rights but in this case, he lost those rights when he chose another woman and the courts should have ruled on that.
Tehy should off lethal injected her vs this prolonged death. And, art - if you say it pleasnat agai nI say DO it.. Starve yourself and co0me back to tell us how pleasant it is. No doctor can tell me it is plesant to be starved to death or 3rd party. Again, if it were pleasant, folks seek pleasure but i dont see folks seeking starving themselves for a pleasurable experience. It is so bizarre that some folks will justify anything. I feel for terry and her family and the unfau=irness of the situation. Her parents should off been her guardian.
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quote:Originally posted by Kate: I just want to ask you guys a question! If you were in a car accident, and they said that you were brain dead, would you want them to pull the plug? How do you know for sure, if you won't come out of the coma? Are the doctors always right? Don't they come up with new cures all of the time? Would you want another chance to live? My husbands Aunt was in a car accident, and we were told she was brain dead! Five months later, she came out of the coma, and with therapy, was able to live quality life! Wouldn't you want that chance? Doctors don't know everything, especially if God wants to change the outcome!
Good point. We should not kill if there is a chance of rehabilitation. Apparently this was the case with your Aunt - she wasn't killed and did OK later.
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I know for a fact that there is more to this life than just living and dieing. And there is one to whom we all shall give account one day... and I fear that terri shavio will die this easter weekend and it has more meaning than just irony. I think it will represent a curse on our nation.
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quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: grabbing - picking up is not aggressive unless you act aggressivelt and harm. when you grab for no motive except to protect, it is protection. when you slap butt, it is punishemnt and albeit you did protect too. but slapping butt is intermingled with fear.
If I pick up a child to hug or to keep harm away, it is all love. When love-fear (hate) intermingled it is because there is love for child intermingled with one's inadequacy, fear, whatever.
But, i see we will not agree and I dont have a need except my expression. so, think as you want but aggression is not love but in this world, love is not perfect so it is mixed with other emotion at times. Love knows no fear, it is the absence of fear.
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quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: grabbing - picking up is not aggressive unless you act aggressivelt and harm. when you grab for no motive except to protect, it is protection. when you slap butt, it is punishemnt and albeit you did protect too. but slapping butt is intermingled with fear.
If I pick up a child to hug or to keep harm away, it is all love. When love-fear (hate) intermingled it is because there is love for child intermingled with one's inadequacy, fear, whatever.
But, i see we will not agree and I dont have a need except my expression. so, think as you want but aggression is not love but in this world, love is not perfect so it is mixed with other emotion at times. Love knows no fear, it is the absence of fear.
Yes, you define aggression in terms of intent - I am defining it in terms of unconscious motivational and response impulses processes. When you cut into a body you act aggressively in terms of uncoscious motivation and response impulses. When this is done in service to love, as when the surgeon cuts to save a life it is moral aggression - aggression directed by love at a motivational level.
When the police shoot a killer that is about to kill innocent people, the policeman is motivated by aggression directed at the killer as directed by by love to save the innocents.
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quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: And, art - if you say it is pleasant again, I say DO it.. Starve yourself and co0me back to tell us how pleasant it is. No doctor can tell me it is plesant to be starved to death.
I feel for terry and her family and the unfairness of the situation. Her parents should of been her guardian.
Starvation is pleasant - not sure of dehydration though. Terri has lost enough cerebral cortex to have no pain sensation. To me lethal injection is more desirable, but it is illegal.
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