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I advocate killing human parasites in a nation - killing criminals, disabled people, and others who take much more from society than they contribute, and thus drain economic resources and lower the standard of living for everyone.
This is a repulsive idea that seems morally abhorent to most. Life is precious and should be perserved always, say the right to lifers.
My answer is that the right to lifers exhibit thought disorder - they are mildly nuts, so to speak - their thinking is invalid.
To understand this you need to understand personality processing, and specifically intellectual processing.
The idea that God wants us to perserve and sanctify life, and we need to follow God's wishes in order to go to heaven, is delusional. This idea is a culturally acceptable delusion, and is not considered a sign of mental illnes because of its cultural prevalence.
Morality is not in the universe anywhere but in the personality processing of man, and possibly other higher primates who sometimes show signs of guilt. The good die young, the evil often prosper and live a good life, diseases and accidents show no bias in terms of the victim's moral status, and "acts of God" kill many thousands of innocents each year. Religion has to invent delusional and confabulated ideas to explain an amoral universe.
The idea that life is precious is an abstracted induction from overgeneralized thought processes - another form of thought disorder besides delusion. Conceptual thinking is categorical, and categories can lack discrimination to become overgeneralized - overly inclusive. We enjoy life and say our life is of great value. We love our children and conclude that their lives are precious, even more so than our own at times. We love our friends, and even fellow countrymen, including them in the category of precious lives, for they work with us to improve the group, and thus our lives and our family's lives. The precious life description generalizes. Now, it overgeneralizes when we regard the lives of everyone in the world as precious - a universal love overinclusiveness. The fact is that there are enemies in the world, criminals in our country, and even both amongst those that seem to be friends to us (or even family members in kinship to us).
To love enemies is crazy - it promotes evil and exposes us to increased harm. To hate enemies is rational - it reduces evil and protects us from harm. Christ was a third rate moral philospher who appeals to the thought disordered masses. Follow his golden rule and you create a hell on earth. Turning the other cheek rewards and encourages sadistic and greedy aggression - non-violence only works with a benevolent power and most sorces of power are greedy/sadistic people who will trample those who turn the other cheek.
So we learn to love conditionally - rewarding and loving those who show love for us while punishing and hating those who would, or did, hurt us or our family or our nation. This is wise love that life teaches us, and when we don't love wisely (like unconditional and /or universal love) we create problems and suffering not only for ourselves, but for others. The purpose of life is not to become moral but to become wise. You do not become wise by adhering to a love-everyone-always morality - you in fact perpetuate your ignorance and life will continually punish you for your lack of wisdom.
Hitler's use of eugenics was terribly flawed by his sadistic-masochistic and paranoid personality. Hitler could have easily won WW II with the help of Jewish scientists. The Jews should have been considered highly valued non-parasites in Germany, but Hitler's delusional, sadistic paranoia considerd thenm as parasites who should be killed. Those who discredit eugenics because of Hitler's misuse of it exhibit thought disorder in such an opinion.
Eugenics is a great idea to build a nation that competes in the world marketplace so as to enjoy the highest standard of living for all of its citizens. We don't have to kill our parasites, though this would be best, but we do need to make sure they don't have children. If the parasites are criminals, they have to be kept from harming others as well as from having children. Those who would advocate/allow parasites to grow in number via reproduction are evil - this practice would hurt the nation in increasing parasites that drain the nation's resouces. Those who would not kill parasites, even though they agree with preventing them from reproducing, are also evil in draining a nation's resources to keep parasites alive, to lower the standard of living for everyone.
Who decides which among us are parasites? We all do, in a democratic nation. The criteria are that the baby or person will certainly be a drain on national resources - taking more than is contributed to the national good - and will never be able to reverse this circumstance.
The baby born permanently disabled would not be killed, if the family or a charity were available and willing to provide life long support for the baby, but otherwise would be killed. Most people don't know that such babies are born, and killed, every day.
The chronic criminal who can not change would likewise be executed, unless family or a charity were available and willing to pay for lifelong confinement.
How many of you right-to-lifers would pony up the big bucks to keep criminals, or permanently disabled babies, alive for their lifespan? You could thereby satisfy your irrational emotional needs without forcing the rational among us to also pay for your selfish satisfaction.
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Art, I've seen you "stir the pot" before but this could be your magnum opus. I'll be amazed if this doesn't stay near the top for weeks to come. Loads of controversy here, Hitler was right, just the wrong implementation, don't kill the handicapped, just sterilze them, etc. This should be good.
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Scale of dragon, tooth of wolf, Witches' mummy, maw and gulf Of the ravin'd salt-sea shark, Root of hemlock digg'd i' the dark, Liver of blaspheming Jew, Gall of goat, and slips of yew Silver'd in the moon's eclipse, Nose of Turk and Tartar's lips, Finger of birth-strangled babe Ditch-deliver'd by a drab, Make the gruel thick and slab: Add thereto a tiger's chaudron, For the ingredients of our cauldron.
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Cool it with a baboon's blood, Then the charm is firm and good.
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Should we kill off the corrupted capitalists, bureaucrats and politicians? They take (steal) from society and contribute very little or take more then give.
Should we kill off the molestars, rapists, murderers?
Should we kill of the companies (those in executive status) that pollute our environment and create cancer, and many health problems for all of us? Their harm far exceeeds their contribution.
They are criminal in nature, steal so much from society and yet go unpunished or not even slapped on the wrist?
Should we kill off those on welfare, and any social program? Those that make a life long living of public funds?
Should we kill off all the parasites in this nation? Take far more then they givE?
Should we kill of all in the hsopitals that are terminally ill and add to society's burden?
Should we kill off the insane that burden all of us and use our social programs?
Should we kill all with aids becasue they take far more then they give? Especailly those that are living off of us?
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Whatever you focus one, expands. When you hate, hate expands. When you love, love expands.
Anyone can try it for yourself in many examples.
Next time you get in a disagreement with someone, try 1) I see where you are coming from, but I disagree even though you make some good points. Be positive. Be understanding. Be loving...See what response you get.
2). Next time you disagree with someone or get in a fight......Say..something like..You moron. I really think you are an idiot. Start yellin and really get angry and intimidate. See what respone you get.
I bet (1) will give you a positive response and 2 a negative response. Try this in any situation. The energy you bring into a situation will expand that energy, whether it is positive or negative. So when you hate, you promote hate.
For those that think kindness is weak, are really weak in thought.
Did anyone ever assess why those with strong egos are really weak, not secure at all as individulas?
To respond in love to hate is a higher level of consciousness. those that respond in hate are living at a lower level of consciousness. But , we all are here to learn..................and grow to higher levels of consciousness (god)..
It is hard to be loving in a hateful world.. Look around, war, killings, corporate greed...theft..abuse, violence on tv that promotes hate... I can go on.
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But a nation built on a higher level of consciousness based on "love" will only exacerbate the parasite problem that Art brings up. If as a nation you have to tenderly care for all people regardless of their condition you will wind up in a state of economic ruin. Virtually all of your resources would be plowed into the loving care that you are committed to provide.
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yeah, right, let's try the garden analogy here...
you pick all the weeds, and, your CROP grows...
then the bugs move in and eat it all...
so you spray some poison on the crops and the bugs are gone....for a LITTLE while...
meantime your kids are gettin' wierd...hmmm maybe that poison wasn't so good after all...
and the bugs? they're back stronger than ever... ("the insects are huge, and the poisons all been used" Beck, Mellow Gold)
what you didn't know in the beginning? those weeds were killing the bugs...yup, they do have a purpose, but you have to be smart enough to figure it out...
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I support a nation that promotes opportunity, education but not welfare.
All of us are responsible for ourselves. I dont promote killing all but i dont promote supporting all. Each has to support oneself.
And, each can decide who to support. Now, I am forced to support programs I care not for.
what do we do with those that are parasites?
cut the hand of the thief? castrate the molestor?
Not simple questions. My assertion was that the energy you bring is what expands. We as a nation need to decide and we do thru our politics how our resources are used.
I care for myself and work very hard so my husband and i can take care of our kids. I dont support give oputs to others.
Each must support oneself.
I quess question becomes..how? I think education and opportunity add to a nation. Teach folks to fish.
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And, when folks are of a higher consciouness, they would not be parasites.
Parasites are of lower consciousness. Higher implies all good... What shoul higher do with lower? educate and provide opportunity. thru these methods, all learn to fish.
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part of the reason this issue of "social welfare" is boiling to the surface RIGHT NOW is that we are seeing a MAJOR squeeze on our(middle class) ability to increase our wealth.this is because the country is being economically raped by the "free trade" agreements that have been put in place by liberals and conservatives alike....look to Washington...
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thinkmoney, dj'you have a shot of ginko for bkfst or what? (just kidding. sorry i was so nasty yesterday. vile mood. i blame hormones.)
she's right artman. some hippy skippy language, (thought energy / earth plane, yadda yadda) but the basics - stuff about hate bringing more hate is downright obvious. i'm sooooo disappointed that you haven't been able to see this.
this is right in the category of a bunch of stuff that has, as age-old chunks of buddhist wisdom, one by one, been being verified by modern science.
911 was the best opportunity for a non-violent response to an act of aggression maybe ever. the wisest response to 911 would have been a major conference/summit, paid for by the US, (on some gorgous island) with all thinkers and leaders from nations and/or groups who hate the US, or places that "harbor" them, to discover why, why we are hated, to weed out the invalid reasons, express a good hearty american "alarm" at how many are actually VALID, and to ADDRESS THEM. this would have won us back the respect we'd like to have, and weeded down our haters to ppl who are not rational. these remaining hate-for-the-sake-of-hatred enemies of the US (or the western world) would lose steam, without any rational teammates. we would then have all rational leaders and ppl the world over for allies. and they would help us to qwell the others. and none of these wars would have been necessary.
but to believe that the wars were necessary for the reasons we are told they are necessary, is pure (tho tragically widespread,) delusion.
we are in Iraq bcs we want to be. there is now a prisoners station(don't remember what those things are called, is it a base, a GI shopping center, whatever,)at the baghdad airport that is larger than fort bragg (the biggest one in the US.) apparently youcan buy everything there to furnish a house. we are there bcs we want to be and we have no intention of leaving. this is good for haliburton.
so instead of approaching this from the point of view that maybe there were some things we were doing that were upsetting reasonable people abroad, (as well as maniacs,) we went to war, killing hundreds of thousands of more innocents, and thereby multiplying our haters by an unknown amount. ---------------
also, thinkmoney is right to bring up corporate crime. corporate crime does way way way way way more to harm us all than your pitiful "parasites".
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Hate promotes hate... Questions to assess...why is the usa in the midle east? Our policies in the middle east got us to the war in iraq... Why do we support israel at the expense of usa? That is another topic so i wont ellaborate. My point is ...what we seee out there is our collective consciousness. We are responsible for the state of the world as is.
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Never seen so much thought disorder expressed since I was in the loony bin.
No, we don't kill capitalists, bureaucrats and politicians? We prosecute them for their crimes like we do now. We only kill the parasites who are beyond any rehabilative hope - they will always be parasites - and only if no charity or family will support them.
We do we kill off the molesters, rapists, murderers, but only when they met tha above criteria.
We support business and hope it grows, as this creates jibs and increases the standard of living for al of us. We don't kill companies - we let them go bankrupt as they do now. We prosecute those that pollute our environment, and create cancer and many health problems. We don't buy the products or stocks for those companies who we suspect are evil for society but it can't be proved.
We kill off those on welfare, and any social program, when there is no hope of their rehabilitation whatsoever and no one else will support them. We give them welfare only in payment for their being rehabilitated and demonstrating progress in training or workfare, otherwise we let them die by not supporting them.
We kill all in the hsopitals that are terminally ill, or the insane or retarded, with no hope of recovery, and no family or insurance or charity to support them. We kill all with AIDS if they fit the above criteria.
We have millions of parasites right now who are bleeding the rest of us dry. They languish forever in hospital beds, locked wards of hospitals, and other confined areas, like prisoners never allowed to leave their cells. They use up vast amounts of taxpayer money and suffer in unimaginable ways from their confinement.
The only reason we let them live is because of some idiotic morality that says they must live and suffer, and thereby make us all suffer.
We all die, in case you forgot. I would not want to live if I were no longer able to enjoy life and contribute, if I were only a burden to others. To think otherwise is to believe in the morality of, "If I have to suffer in incapacitation, then everyone else has to pay also."
That is why we killed Terri Schiavo, and that is why this was the moral thing to do.
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quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: I think we as a nation need to build a better society. But, to get there, we need mass uprising of consciousness.
How do we get there?
Thought (energy) creates this earth plane. All we got to do is change our thought. So simple yet uncomprehensible for most.
We all sing "Michael row your boat to shore" as we go hand in hand to La La land.
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Well, I'm back, and I've just got to say Art, that I totally believe the opposite of you! I know many disabled people, who make wonderful contributions; much more than some "normal" people I know! Oh my, don't want to get into this one, too tired from my trip, and being sea sick!
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quote:Originally posted by Kate: Well, I'm back, and I've just got to say Art, that I totally believe the opposite of you! I know many disabled people, who make wonderful contributions; much more than some "normal" people I know! Oh my, don't want to get into this one, too tired from my trip, and being sea sick!
i'm sorry to hear that Kate. at least it was a change of scenery..
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And, Art I guess you sing to your kids (if you have any)
Get the shotgun out and shoot those parasites.. oops get that baby, nobody wants it..
Yes, I sing to my kids, row row row your boat...
not to lala land but to a healthier mentality..
you can sing BANG BANG BANG shoot them parasites....And see how negative they will become.....and they maybe the parasites.... All negative conditioning creates negative energy as exemplified by yoor parasites or any other form of negative energy...
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And another thing ART, dont give analogy to my statements because your interpreation is absurd. Be man eenough to debate but dont misinterpret what I say cause that shows me coward.....
we change our thought , etc...does not say ...lala land...
Anyways, your responses tell me you have alot of negative energy emanating from you.....Ever wonder why?
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LL: ever tried it? i don't mean some unknown out-there concept enemy (like "the terrorists") but how about the despised neighbor, or the guy at work? ever try it?
ever been at war with someone who pulls this on you? drops the hostility and apologizes, asks for forgiveness and to discuss / look for a solution? ever feel how all the tighness kind of sheds? it's uncomfortable at first (bcs we have been clutching at it, the hatred,) and then, the pay-off is huge. you can prove this for yourself over and over again. compassion will get you much further in life, and is healthier.
war is about escalation. someone does something wrong, then someone retaliates. stir in a few misunderstandings and you're on your way.
DOUBLE DOUBLE TOIL & TROUBLE!
the problem is, when ppl start to believe that the conflict is all a result of: the "OTHER" being "bad" or "wrong" or "crazy" or "irrational". This is what governments train populations to believe. the reason is, when you believe that, it makes you right, accross the board. you do not have to look critically at your country's own actions. governments who want war for reasons that the population would not support, are forced to use these nefarious methods, creating a web of lies, backed by a cartoonish image of the enemy as a "madman who can't be reasoned with.". (us against them.)
what is so tragic, is that it works.
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why were you in the loony bin? (and why'd they let you out?!) "dangerously inflexible mind disorder" maybe?
"too wide a beam of insight trained thru too narrow a corridor of perspective?"
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jk rowling, author of the harry potter books, was a single mom on welfare when she wrote the first one. Thank God she wasn't killed for being a parasite, before she finished! the books are excellent. they, along with the films, and related shwag, have generated a lot of money for many people.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: yeah, right, let's try the garden analogy here...
you pick all the weeds, and, your CROP grows...
then the bugs move in and eat it all...
so you spray some poison on the crops and the bugs are gone....for a LITTLE while...
meantime your kids are gettin' wierd...hmmm maybe that poison wasn't so good after all...
and the bugs? they're back stronger than ever... ("the insects are huge, and the poisons all been used" Beck, Mellow Gold)
what you didn't know in the beginning? those weeds were killing the bugs...yup, they do have a purpose, but you have to be smart enough to figure it out...
That is pure BS! A nice lawn is easy to maintain. The right grass smothers weed growth and it doesn't take much work at all.
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quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: And, when folks are of a higher consciouness, they would not be parasites.
Parasites are of lower consciousness. Higher implies all good... What shoul higher do with lower? educate and provide opportunity. thru these methods, all learn to fish.
So, all we need to do is to bring terrorists, serial killers, and vegetables like Terri Shiavo to a higher level of consciousness? How?
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orig posted by ART: quote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Originally posted by glassman: yeah, right, let's try the garden analogy here... you pick all the weeds, and, your CROP grows... then the bugs move in and eat it all... so you spray some poison on the crops and the bugs are gone....for a LITTLE while... meantime your kids are gettin' wierd...hmmm maybe that poison wasn't so good after all... and the bugs? they're back stronger than ever... ("the insects are huge, and the poisons all been used" Beck, Mellow Gold) what you didn't know in the beginning? those weeds were killing the bugs...yup, they do have a purpose, but you have to be smart enough to figure it out... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ That is pure BS! A nice lawn is easy to maintain. The right grass smothers weed growth and it doesn't take much work at all.
================= Art, you have a rather disturbing propensity for taking metaphors, and responding to them at face value.
wake up take a breath. Grassman is *right on point* with this metaphor.
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LOL not to mention that a lawn isn't a garden...(unless you are sheep? LOL)you should try the hip waders Art...one hind leg in each? saves a lot of chasing
OH yeah, the Chesapeake Bay...it's dead... know why? LAWNS....
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Lucy Lastic:..thinkmoney...is right, Art...the basics - stuff about hate bringing more hate is downright obvious. i'm sooooo disappointed that you haven't been able to see this.
Art: Condfirms my ideas when I get such disagreement.
Yes, hate can induce more hate, in revenge. Revenge is instinctively based and a common reaction to being attacked. But, revenge is nullified when the original attack, or hate, is severe enough, in which case hate causes submission and cooperation instead of revenge.
This is what happened when we defeated Germany and Japan in WW II - we hated severe enough to make them peace-loving and cooperative countries.
Absence of hate, or even love, in the face of hate or attack, will encourage continued attack or hate, except when your attacker is moral, and attackers rarely are moral or they wouldn't be attacking.
This is elementary and many females never seem to grasp it.
Lucy: 911 was the best opportunity for a non-violent response to an act of aggression maybe ever. the wisest response to 911 would have been a major conference/summit, paid for by the US, (on some gorgous island) with all thinkers and leaders from nations and/or groups who hate the US, or places that "harbor" them, to discover why, why we are hated, to weed out the invalid reasons, express a good hearty american "alarm" at how many are actually VALID, and to ADDRESS THEM. this would have won us back the respect we'd like to have, and weeded down our haters to ppl who are not rational. these remaining hate-for-the-sake-of-hatred enemies of the US (or the western world) would lose steam, without any rational teammates. we would then have all rational leaders and ppl the world over for allies. and they would help us to qwell the others. and none of these wars would have been necessary.
Art: I really don't believe you are serious here. We would still be under terrorist attacks on US soil, Saddam would have sanctions lifted and would renew his WMD programs, and the peace that is now at hand between Istrael and the Arabs would be an all out war.
Lucy: we are in Iraq bcs we want to be. there is now a prisoners station...at the baghdad airport that is larger than fort bragg (the biggest one in the US.) apparently you can buy everything there to furnish a house. we are there bcs we want to be and we have no intention of leaving. this is good for haliburton.
B]Art: Right. We invaded Iraq to go shopping and to provide Haliburton more business.
As far as leaving, I hope we stay in Iraq so as to keep terroristas fighting us there instead of at home, to continue to force Syria to get out of Lebanon, to force the Palestinians to make peace with Israel, and to force Iran to give up nuclear weapons development. [/B]
Lucy: so instead of approaching this from the point of view that maybe there were some things we were doing that were upsetting reasonable people abroad, (as well as maniacs,)
Art: Loony Tunes - La La La! Sure, the terrorists are reasonable people - if we let them kill all the Jews and then take over Israel, they will leave us alone. Saddam is so reasonable that all he had to do was to allow UN inspectors unrestricted access to stay in power, get UN sanctions lifted, and come out on top, but inside he choose a suicidal path that destroyed many of his people.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: we are in Iraq because a small group of people wanted us to be, and the truth was the first casualty...
now we have this unbelievable bill to pay...
Liberal nonsense. We could pay a little now, in taking the terrorist fight to iraq and spreading democracy to finally bring peace and stability to the mideast, perserving the world's economy, or we could pay much more later in sustaining disasters spread out over many years, including nuclear war when Israel was severely attacked and retaliated.
Does anyone other than me see that peace is breaking out in the mideast and terrorism is being defeated, directly as a result of our invasion of Iraq?
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: we are in Iraq because a small group of people wanted us to be, and the truth was the first casualty...
now we have this unbelievable bill to pay...
Liberal nonsense. We could pay a little now, in taking the terrorist fight to iraq and spreading democracy to finally bring peace and stability to the mideast, perserving the world's economy, or we could pay much more later in sustaining disasters spread out over many years, including nuclear war when Israel was severely attacked and retaliated.
Does anyone other than me see that peace is breaking out in the mideast and terrorism is being defeated, directly as a result of our invasion of Iraq?
you call what we see over there peace? you have a strange dictionary....you keep returning to this so-called future where Sadam suddenly became powerful...
and oh yeah the WMD he was planning on using..LOL
and now i guess you are gonna say we can pay this bill easily? maybe we can... if Iraq pays us back with oil/money? yeah, i'm gonna hold my breath on that....
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glassman:... not to mention that a lawn isn't a garden
Glasman and Lucy, the analogy sucks, lawn or garden.
We defeated Japan in WW II and never had to keep fighting this and that, as with a lawn or garden.
We defeated Germany in WW II and that was it.
Lawns and gardens do require continued care, as do most things in life.
Hate does not require constant and continued effort when it is sufficient. You kill a parasite and no longer have to suffer harm - he or she is dead. You defeat a nation sufficiently, not just partially, and it ends with no more problems.
We will bring democracy and peace to the mideast, and defeat all terrorism and reduce it to rare suicidal-homicidal incidents, and it will be over. We are doing this in the only way it was possible to do - we would still be talking in diplomacy or a conference of world leaders, while terrorist attacks spread in Israel and the US and alQaeda grew strobnger, if Glassman, Lucy, Gore, Kerry, or Thinkmoney had been president on 9/11/01.
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