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It still come down to what this election really was about. A war. Afganistan was a have to case. Thats were the terrorist leader was from that attached us. But Iraq was a "might of" war. They might still have weapons, they might give them to terrorist, they might restart there programs, they might do this or do that so we must attack them. When in fact Pakistan was selling WMD's, most of the terrorist in the attack was from Saudi and there is more terrorist training camps in Iran then Iraq ever had and they are trying to build WMD's. Africa has the biggest genocide in history but no oil so who cares.
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We have a family that belongs to our church, that live in Africa, as missionaries! I'm sure that they care, and so do we!
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None, they all should be lined up and shot. I too was in the teachers union. Never agreed with them either. After Service got my BSEd in Math and Biology. I think that I had less of a chance of being killed in service, lol. Just retired now.
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quote:Originally posted by keithsan: whats better hmmmm....
church lobby... medical lobby.... lawyers lobby.... pharmaceutical lobby....
thems the big ones, depending on who gets elected its their lobbies help.
LOL-I'm a union teacher, vote dem vote dem be robot vote dem.
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Well I say line them all up and shoot them but they do have there place. I think though it should be done in a public forum. That no lobbist should be able to lobby a indiviual government agent. I think they should be on the floor and televised on C-Span so the nation knows what is being said.
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quote:Originally posted by Kate: Our pastors, told us to vote for the person that we believed would fulfill the moral issues a Christian believes in, there were no names mentioned!
I am a Christian, and I certainly do not believe in killing innocent people. Now you know Bush should have made sure there were WMD's in Iraq before he bombed Bagdad. What do you think is moral about a man that has caused more people to loose jobs since the Herbert Hoover era? What do you think is moral about a man that cares more about the rich, is as so much that just the tax breaks they are given might buy our Soldiers some good equipment to fight his power war? What is moral about a man that just plain lies and stumbles so bad as he lies. You have no idea of what men with power can do. He has the power for 4 more years. But please don't ever say he has morels. He loves money and power too much to have morels.
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President Bush, has accepted Christ as his Savior! He prays every morning, for guidance from God! That is a Christian! How do I know this? Besides reading his testimony, and seeing a documentary on him, where he openly states his beliefs, I worked with the republican headquarters, helping with the campaign, and the woman is charge, worked with him four years ago in his first campaign, one on one, and knows him and his family personally! She says that he is just as he seems, and says what he means, and means what he says! And yes, Glass, he is a human too, and makes mistakes like the rest of us, so don't start saying, "Well, dah hah, dah hah, he said there were weapons of mass destruction, where are they? He lied!"
The President, listened to everyone else, and gave the incompetent UN, six months to literally let the Iraqi terrorists, have time to move them out, sell them to France, bury them, whatever! If Saddam used them on his own people, HE USED TO HAVE THEM! Since you can't trust Saddam, you have to go look for them, before they are used again! The President believed they were there!!!! I believe they were there! Lots of people, believe they were there! The dead Iraqis that got bombed with them, saw they were there!
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I see no problem with the state/gov. funding church run organizations, so long as they only service those who seek them out. If these people want to be aided in some way by these organizations, there is nothing wrong with them being state/giv funded.
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I taught 7th grade math and science. When I got out of the service and went to college, I started out as a computer science major. But I seemed to be in the lab helping other students all the time. So I figured, teaching is the way to go. What a delusion that was. They blame the schools problem on taking the bible out of school. Thats not the problem. The problem is the parents have no interest in their child unless you try to punish them. Then they will come down on you like a brick. The principles are scared to support the teachers, the teachers are left alone in a sense to be these kids teacher, parent, and role model. But thats hard when the classroom is stuff with 30 kids. You listen to the kids talk about both parents working and they stay mostly with there grandparents. How gangs have become there family or they are alone. Our quest for the almighty dollar in this country is leaving our children behind to take care of themself. It's not the teachers place to be there parent, pastor, and counselor. We can try to teach them and try to help them as much as possible but we are not there parents.
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A honest, moral politician is a oxymoron. You don't become president anymore with those values. This was the dirtiest election every on both sides. The President pulled out all the stops to lie, mis-inform and distort his fellow competitor. Not that the other side did no less. They both went to far. And he did lie to the American people on the war and refuses to admit mistakes. Now hows that a christian?
Just because you stand up and say your christian doesn't make you one. Just because you pray doesn't make you a christian. Just because you go to church doesn't make you a christian.
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quote:Originally posted by Kate: President Bush, has accepted Christ as his Savior! He prays every morning, for guidance from God! That is a Christian! How do I know this? Besides reading his testimony, and seeing a documentary on him, where he openly states his beliefs, I worked with the republican headquarters, helping with the campaign, and the woman is charge, worked with him four years ago in his first campaign, one on one, and knows him and his family personally! She says that he is just as he seems, and says what he means, and means what he says! And yes, Glass, he is a human too, and makes mistakes like the rest of us, so don't start saying, "Well, dah hah, dah hah, he said there were weapons of mass destruction, where are they? He lied!"
The President, listened to everyone else, and gave the incompetent UN, six months to literally let the Iraqi terrorists, have time to move them out, sell them to France, bury them, whatever! If Saddam used them on his own people, HE USED TO HAVE THEM! Since you can't trust Saddam, you have to go look for them, before they are used again! The President believed they were there!!!! I believe they were there! Lots of people, believe they were there! The dead Iraqis that got bombed with them, saw they were there!
Well Kate, if you know him personally, why don't you call him and ask him to help the middle class working as well as the rich and Halliburton and the Lauden family.
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This is why Bush is so danagerous IMO. This country was set up with checks and balances so we wouldn't have a leader that could takeover our country in a dictatorship.
MSNBC Article:
Ashcroft denounces judges who question Bush
WASHINGTON - Federal judges are jeopardizing national security by issuing rulings contradictory to President Bush’s decisions on America’s obligations under international treaties and agreements, Attorney General John Ashcroft said Friday.
"The danger I see here is that intrusive judicial oversight and second-guessing of presidential determinations in these critical areas can put at risk the very security of our nation in a time of war,” Ashcroft said in a speech to the Federalist Society, a conservative lawyers’ group.
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I honestly believe if Bush could get a 60 seat Senate that he would try to have the 22 Amendment overturned. Because we are at war, you have to re-elect me to another term.
By the way, the 22 Amendment limits the President to 2 elected terms in office.
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Kate, it would be funny if it wasn't so sad....
Half of Bush's supporters want to nuke the whole mideast, the other half think he is some evangelical democrat.....
half his supporters claim he just pretends to be dumb, to appeal to the common man, the other half claim he is a "what you see is what you get" guy......
somehow he managed to win the election with "leadership" qualities that are different depending on whom you ask.... i see him as the guy in the front of a very powerful, very astute political team, and they have no agenda other than to make a lot of money for themselves... you don't matter to them until they need your vote.....and they don't need tyour vote anymore....
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lets talk in 4 years. I dont expect big changes on the "social Issues" the middle east is a different story, we either quit or continue to try and stop terrorism by being on the offensive....
honestly i can see bush not taking on another country and letting them get nukes and continue to train terrorists....
i can also see him taking on this country and being called hitler for doing so...
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I never said I knew him personally, I said my Christian friend Anne knows him personally! We all will go round and round on this subject, so I will make a suggestion! If we believe in prayer, why don't we all pray for the President to do God's will for our nation, and that he makes the right decisions for all of us! How can we go wrong there?
Ric, I agree with you on the issue of teacher, They shouldn't have to raise our kids, but not about the President! We just have different opinions that's all! I guess we shall all see what the next four years brings!
And Nanny, my husband works in a very large factory, that has been threatening to shut down, but I don't blame the President for something that the corporation is responsible for! The union has a lot to do with it! Greedy people at the top, don't want to give up any of their own money, to keep the factorys going, so that people can keep their jobs! My husband had to take a pay cut, and loose retirement, because of their last fiasco, but it isn't the Presidents fault, but the greedy bosses at the top! We've had several large factories close down here, but it isn't the Presidents fault, that the services they render, have so much competition they can't compete anymore, and have to shut down! I don't understand why you guys always want to blame him for things he doesn't have any control over!
quote:Originally posted by Kate: I never said I knew him personally, I said my Christian friend Anne knows him personally! We all will go round and round on this subject, so I will make a suggestion! If we believe in prayer, why don't we all pray for the President to do God's will for our nation, and that he makes the right decisions for all of us! How can we go wrong there?
Ric, I agree with you on the issue of teacher, They shouldn't have to raise our kids, but not about the President! We just have different opinions that's all! I guess we shall all see what the next four years brings!
And Nanny, my husband works in a very large factory, that has been threatening to shut down, but I don't blame the President for something that the corporation is responsible for! The union has a lot to do with it! Greedy people at the top, don't want to give up any of their own money, to keep the factorys going, so that people can keep their jobs! My husband had to take a pay cut, and loose retirement, because of their last fiasco, but it isn't the Presidents fault, but the greedy bosses at the top! We've had several large factories close down here, but it isn't the Presidents fault, that the services they render, have so much competition they can't compete anymore, and have to shut down! I don't understand why you guys always want to blame him for things he doesn't have any control over!
My husband retired with the Teamsters Union and thank God this Union takes care of him. Otherwise, there's no way we could ever afford private health care. Now you know if Bush wasn't in bed with the big drug companies, Prescriptions would not costs so very much. The elderly can barely make ends meet because of their prescription costs. What about these people? You are saying he has no control over this???
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From what I've heard him say, he has been working on it, Nanny! It is the drug companies, that keep putting up the costs, because they are in so much competition! Look at the cholesterol drugs! There is Pravachol, Zocor, Lipitor, and now a new one, that is supposed to work the best of all, called Crestor! I imagine the cost of it will be a lot! I know my husband is on Lipitor, and we have to buy it is three month supplies, online, to keep down the cost! My son has to use a drug called Elidel on his face! It is a nonsteroidal cream for exema, and it is over 100.00 dollars a tube! Why? Because the drug company knows it works, when most everything else has failed, and has hiked up the prices! Even with our prescription plan, it is still 25 dollars! Problem is, my husbands company only supports your college child with the prescription plan, until they hit 23, even though they still live at home when not at college. It is because of the companys contract, not because of the President! The only way we can get the prices down, is for the President to go after the drug companies! He is working on it, but it is a gargantuan task! He also wants us to have our social security, and help for the elderly! What can I say? We will have to watch and see what happens, over the next four years! If Senate and Congress, allows him to pass some things, it should get better! We need to pray for him, to do what is best for the Country! Posts: 622 | From: USA | Registered: Aug 2004
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quote:Originally posted by Nanny: My husband retired with the Teamsters Union and thank God this Union takes care of him. Otherwise, there's no way we could ever afford private health care. Now you know if Bush wasn't in bed with the big drug companies, Prescriptions would not costs so very much. The elderly can barely make ends meet because of their prescription costs. What about these people? You are saying he has no control over this???
Well I'm glad your union is working for your family nanny. I doubt though, unless of course your husband worked directly for the union that they provide much of anything. It was most likely negotiated with the company or corporation that he worked with before retirement. The union I belong to doesn't give a darn about us until its dues time. I could tell you all a story that would make your heads spin about a union. I see alot of what unions do to companys and to people's work habits. Having held a position in the union I had first hand experience with these issues. Everything is a game on both sides. Our union is stuck in the 1950s or 60s and for it to survive it needs to learn to be a more modern union. Enough of that though. Its not the Presidents fault for these things it is greedy people. Yes thats right all people. People have gotten to the point that vary few care about each other anymore. People at the top are forced to perform for their boss and for themselves just like people at the bottom are. They (Corp. People) want those big bonuses and pay and don't care how they get it and there is nothing any President can do about it. Did you ever check how much corp. salaries rose during the Clinton years? The sad fact is both parties are sponsored by big corporations and people. Its kind of silly for the dems to point at the repubs and say you are for the rich when the most of them (higher ups that is) are rich too.
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You are reading the Democrat platform not Bush's there, lol. Bush isn't going to help prescription drug price. Matter of fact he is keeping Medicare from even negotiating a better price. Bush is for Big Business not you or me. He thinks if you give Big Business enough breaks they will help the little people. Yea they will help us, they will take my money and give it to themselves.
And, don't you know marketing 101. Competition leads to lower prices not higher. Too many drug companies putting out similar products drive down price not up. The problem isn't competition, it is lack there of. Patent laws for drug company. They get to patent a drug even after the first patent expires so no generic drugs can be made. Government has done nothing but bend over backwards to keep Drug lobbist in business.
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Ric if you think the Democratic party was going to give you anything I have some swamp land to sell. When was the last time the Dems did anything for anyone except raise you taxes.
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Yeah, but my son's meds, don't have any competition! That's why they are so high! Look up Elidel online, and find me some better prices! I need them! Posts: 622 | From: USA | Registered: Aug 2004
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No I didn't. Was just pointing out the facts. Rich white men run for office to stay rich white men.
quote:Originally posted by timberman: Ric if you think the Democratic party was going to give you anything I have some swamp land to sell. When was the last time the Dems did anything for anyone except raise you taxes.
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But also on tax cuts, What a myth that is, lol. I didn't see a tax cut I saw a tax hike. Because the state said they weren't getting as much they raised sales tax. But since that wasn't enough to cover everthing they had to cut county money. Now the county says that since they aren't getting as much from the state they have to raise property taxes. Weres my tax cut. I pay more then before now. Repulicans make you think they will give you a tax cut but have raised deficit in the last 3 Republican presidents to unnatural levels. Democrats promise social welfare and raise taxes to pay for them. Who is better. Neither. If Republican were for smaller government, since they are in power, why don't they decrease it? Because other rich white men would be out of a job. They don't care about the government employee losing there job but the department head was a friend appointed to the post.
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Ya I know Ric. But until you and I and the rest do something about the two party system we're stuck with it.
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I live in a Democratic state and they raised the taxes here too. Mostly to build football stadiums and slot machines. What a brilliant idea those were.
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Really what we need to do is boot all the congress and senate reps and but new ones in and tell them, start doing it my way or the highway. But we won't. We keep sending back the same losers over and over again. We are so hung up on Republican or Democrat that we won't even elect the best man or a good man to office.
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Yea but I live in a deep red state and they raised my taxes and did blame it on the Fed's cut. It doesn't matter. Its the excuses. It really don't matter, red or blue, they all want my money, lol.
Doesn't matter. One lies half dozen one way the other lies half dozen the other. We all get it in the end, no matter who you vote for.
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and don't forget that the states are ALSO hiring contractors in India to handle whatever jobs can be done on the internet and the phone too.....in order to cut costs...
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