i suspect that if Bush "makes his legacy" i will be trying to convince everybody NOT to vote for Hillary next time, and probly be just as unsuccessful....NO LOL
i'm still very unclear on why anybody thinks it's good to have the republicans running everything.... i am GOP to dabone, and i know better...... you'll see..... you better hope Bush doesn't get funding for his nucular toys.....
i expected the senate and the congress to stay red...
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it's not very funny anymore budgee... i still think Hillary was working AGAINST Kerry so she could run..and i do think the Bushes and Clintons cut a deal..while on a golf junkett:
i am still waiting to hear from Kate.. she razzed me pretty hard the day after the election...
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shes all of a sudden gaining a lot of popularity amoong the country...nice shift from just last year she was disliked...now shes a serious contender.. i dont care if we have a woman for president...just a new twist..besides..ull be getting 3 presidents for the price one ONE... u get clinton with an IQ of 182, u get hillary and u get the vice president...sweet
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As for me, I have to say there are ONLY 2 things I like about her, her plan to reform Medicare, and her hubby....love that playa...he's cool....Hi Billy!!!
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(Just a note - I am neither Republican nor Democrat- I am American) This country is to divided.....Look a few posts up....Look how Bill & George are hangin' together, now that makes a girl like me happy!!!!
I'm the kind of person these parties have to persuade in order to win my vote & as soon as someone bashes the other person/party they have lost my respect- there is a way for them to tell their views without being nasty.....if they don't do that I am more willing to listen to their issues......don't know why I'm telling you this but I am.....
I AM willing to listen to Hillary because I don't think she will bash anyone.....ok I'm done ...have a great day....
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There's going to be another one like it coming....
I don't know what it will be called but it's going to be a Disney movie directed by Magic Johnson about a boy named J-Mac....He's the autisitc boy that never played basketball but the coach put him in the last few minutes of the game his senior year....he wound up throwing a few 3 pointers and then some!!!! He's from my hometown & Greece Athena was my highschool!!!
Any who.....see you all tomarrow!
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even tho he has some liberal views? i believe he would respect the (more conservative)views of people that vote him in and he is definitely a qualified candidate...
i just can't see all my Missississippi neighbors getting behind his gay/choice position tho...
maybe if he has Haley Barber for Veep?
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quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Just an FYI.....
Most Ny'ers don't care for Hillary.....
She's lucky the rest of the country likes her....
As for me, I have to say there are ONLY 2 things I like about her, her plan to reform Medicare, and her hubby....love that playa...he's cool....Hi Billy!!!
damn so her 75%ish win for re election was BS?...seems well liked to me...
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quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Just an FYI.....
Most Ny'ers don't care for Hillary.....
She's lucky the rest of the country likes her....
As for me, I have to say there are ONLY 2 things I like about her, her plan to reform Medicare, and her hubby....love that playa...he's cool....Hi Billy!!!
damn so her 75%ish win for re election was BS?...seems well liked to me...
NYC likes her better than upstate.....she's ok...
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Glass, Don't you think that Rudy wouldn't shut out Democrats? I think he would work well with them & bring a little unity to Dem & Repub's....Do you agree?
I can't wait to hear his issues/views....
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I think Rudy is a twit, just the act of placing the police command center in the twin towers a known terrorist target is the act of a fool.And clearly shows no management talents.
As a matter of fact Rudy could not manage a fart after a bean dinner
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Five Reasons Giuliani's No Hero By Jonathan Greenberg, AlterNet Posted on August 30, 2004, Printed on January 30, 2007 http://www.alternet.org/story/19673/ When former Mayor Rudy Giuliani, Time magazine's "Person of the Year" for 2001, appears today as a prime time speaker at the Republican National Convention, it will be largely to confer fellow hero status upon President Bush. The Republican Party hopes that Giuliani's extension of his post-9/11 hero's glow to the president will banish from our memory both men's actual records before and after that tragic day. Here are a few critical reminders of Giuliani's real record, surprisingly similar to the President's:
1) Disdain for the Constitution
Mayor Giuliani routinely disregarded the First Amendment as he rejected requests for information from news organizations and civic groups and opposed public access to city hall steps and parks for demonstrations. "Freedom is about authority," Giuliani said, responding to critics in 1998. "Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it." The following year, after the mayor cut funding to the Brooklyn Museum because it displayed a work of art that offended him, federal judge Nina Gershon ruled that Giuliani violated the First Amendment and ordered funding restored. "There is no federal constitutional issue more grave," she wrote, "than the effort by government officials to censor works of expression and to threaten the vitality of a major cultural institution as punishment for failing to abide by governmental demands for orthodoxy." Giuliani called Judge Gershon's decision "the usual knee-jerk reaction" and said he would order the city's lawyers to appeal.
2) Subverting Democracy to Suit His Needs
Just two weeks after the Twin Towers fell, Giuliani attempted to become the first official in American history to use an emergency to extend his elected term. Most Americans forget that Giuliani spent a week bullying the mayoral candidates to allow him three extra months in office after his term ended in December 2001. The power grab fell through when the leader of the state assembly refused to change electoral law to suit Giuliani's demands. Despite Giuliani's dire warning that no one but him would be prepared for 'the monumental tasks that lie ahead," the next mayor's first three months passed without incident.
3) Withholding Public Information
In a legally questionable transaction on December 24, 2001, just days before the end of the mayor's second term, Giuliani secretly moved all 2,100 boxes of mayoral files and videos from his eight years in office. The records, which by law were to become the property of the Municipal archives, were transferred to a gated private storage facility, and their control was transferred to the Rudolph W. Giuliani Center for Urban Affairs, a newly-established private nonprofit group controlled by Giuliani.
Angry archivists and historians denounced the unprecedented hijacking of public property to private hands. Tom Connors, of the Society of American Archivists, said the transfer seemed part of a movement to "create barriers to the American citizen's right to know what their governments are doing." Saul Cohen, the head of the new nonprofit group, a longtime friend of Giuliani's defended the action, arguing, "The public should trust him. With Rudy, with great respect to previous mayors, we are talking about a national figure."
4) Profiting From His Hero Status
In February, 2002, Giuliani insisted upon transferring guardianship of the $100 million remaining in the city-run Twin Towers Fund to a private charity he controlled. The families of the police and fire rescuers who died in the attack balked at Giuliani's plan to take up to a year to dole out the money, with his new organization billing $2.2 million in anticipated administrative expenses (including six-figure salaries for friends he appointed as officers). The families argued that the fire union had far more quickly distributed $111 million with an estimated administrative cost of just $30,000. Under embarrassing pressure from the victims' families, unions and state Attorney General Elliot Spitzer, Giuliani backed down. He promised to distribute the money within 60 days and fund his overhead from new donations. The families of the deceased rescuers, the real heroes of the September 11 attacks, received a one-time benefit of about $230,000 each from the Giuliani-privatized fund in 2002. That year, the former mayor earned some $8 million in speaking fees alone, more than $650,000 per month.
5) Refusal to Acknowledge Mistakes or Apologize
In the section concerning the city's response to the World Trade Center, the 9/11 Commission wrote, "Effective decision-making in New York was hampered by problems in command and control and in internal communications." Firefighters inside the towers didn't hear what was being transmitted on police rescuers' radios, or learned news of collapsing floors from emergency calls made to 911 operators. At a New York hearing last May, 9/11 Commissioner John Lehman noted that at the time of the attacks, the city's command, control and communication systems were "not worthy of the Boy Scouts, let alone this great city." Although he had been mayor for eight years following the first terrorist bombing of the World Trade Center, Giuliani never repaired the communications problems that plagued the city. A McKinsey & Co. report found that on September 11, New York's fire chiefs were working with defective radios and often could not communicate their orders to evacuate. The same radio system, they observed, had failed eight years earlier. Far from taking responsibility or apologizing, when Giuliani appeared before the 9/11 Commission, he called the city's emergency response "unbelievably capable" and "terrifically effective." Giuliani's testimony was repeatedly interrupted by the angry protests of relatives of victims. Monica Gabrielle, whose husband was killed in the attacks, complained afterward that the panel and Giuliani spent the morning "cloaking everything in heroism. We leave frustrated," she concluded. "They made a huge faux pas in letting Rudy Giuliani polish his crown."
The American public should not make the same mistake. Hero coronations are for autocracies, not democracies like ours.
Jonathan Greenberg is an investigative journalist and author, under a pen name, of the critical new satire, "America 2014: An Orwellian Tale," about an authoritarian United States run by fourth-term president George "Blush."
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First Rule never put the HQ near the target
How do we know it was a target? Because the first terrorist that put a bomb in the underground parking lot when they were caugt they said it was and they were going to stop until they got it.
The falling debris and bodies forced the mayor to seek a more secure command center to begin coordinating the rescue efforts. Giuliani and Kerik left the fire department officials and the priest below the doomed buildings; it was the last time they would see them alive, except for Von Essen, who the Mayor summoned by radio to join him. Giuliani headed to a police command center at 75 Barclay Street, a building just two blocks from the burning towers. The mayor was on the phone with the White House. He wanted air cover for his city, wondering aloud if the third or fourth or fifth flying bomb was on its way, when he learned that a plane had struck the Pentagon. He was waiting to speak with Vice President Cheney when an earthquake-like rumble shook the building -- the South Tower was collapsing with an avalanche of debris. A detective ran in shouting, "Hit the deck." His words barely got out his mouth before the windows of the building began popping out and smoke and dust burst in through the door. The mayor's life was suddenly in grave danger. "I didn't realize until later just how dangerous it was," said the mayor. "And, virtually the entire leadership of New York City was in that room."
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