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Tony is CORRECT Keith... And the band began to play.LOL
Hey this work comp system is costing 100 of billions every year,between fraud,and delays and fighting every step with attorney's,regular doctor says one thing they get a hired doctor to disagree.and on and on and on.All = our tax money flushed down the toilet.
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try being in a car accident while you are on workmans comp.... the lawyers get it all...
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Does being in a car accident while working count,because work comp had a lien to get the money from the settlement max was a 100,000.My att for accident says they will get most of the money and judge lets him dump me 1 month before trial.The work comp attorneys werent ready and did'nt follow through and the case got dropped and they let the two cars that hit me off scott free, but fight me every step of the way.UNFB Last time i went before a judge i told him i don't want to say the system is bad,but i had to put a tattoo on my as$ that says EXIT ONLY (HE HAD NO SENSE OF HUMOUR).Like i care.Hoping to say something next time to get held in contempt.Whats he gonna to put me in jail i hope so,maybe it will get some media then.Already told the wife, not biting my tongue next time.She would normally be totally against this and she said to do it.CHARGE
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Art, i am not arguing against your ideas... they are pre-Darwin even, he just kind of assembled them
the problem (from a purely scientific view) is that as we "cull" the herd, we may in fact be deleting important survival codes that we just aren't smart enough to recognise...what works today, may not work tomorrow....
Nonsense. How can you delete important survival traits by selecting for such traits? It is failure to select for (and thus increase) such genetically based traits that will delete them. Not, as you suggest, selecting for them.
If you genetically select for maladaptive traits you increase maladaptive traits, and this is exactly what liberal policies do. I propose we do the opposite - not allow parasites to reproduce and thus reduce the number of parasites in our society to thereby increase resources for those who contribute to society. Far from deleting survival traits, as you maintain, this will increase them in the nation's gene pool.
quote:Originally posted by glassman: Tony is CORRECT Keith... i too, have seen some things...
estimates are that 30 to 50% of medical$$ go to management...
i have occasion to know for a fact that having good insurance encourages them to go overboard with tests and surgery....
we are facing some serious public health crises on the planet right now.. they have NOTHING to do with lack of insurance...as a matter of fact insurance has created a mentality of overprescribing anti-biotics anti-biotic resistant staphylococcus is ALMOST at crisis levels... some say its a crisis already...
Pronblem with health care is government interference and the lawyers (who are darlings of the liberals).
Physicians have to practice defensive medicine in order to keep from being sued. This means ordering a multitude of unnecessary tests and treatments to CYA (cover your ass from lawyers and lawsuits). Sure antibiotics are overprescribed, to avoid being sued in case a bacterial infection was overlooked, or appears later, in treating a virus. A barrage of unecessary tests are ordered for the same reason. This drives medical costs way up. Malpractice insurance costs are passed on to the medical consumer to further increase medical costs. The lawyers get rich while the medical consuymers pay high medical costs. The democrats support the lawyers.
The solution is to allow anyone to order their own tests and treatments without any physician prescription. This means anyone can practice medicine. Also, not allow any lawsuits against medical practitioners. Lawyers can't steal from others here. And, no medical insurance. This puts the responsibility for an individual's welfare onto the individual, and not government. Medical costs would go way down, but the buyer must beware in chosing what they medically need for thenmselves or from those they consult with for care.
Take government, lawyers, and insurance out of the equation, and medical costs reduce to a fraction of what they are today.
quote:Originally posted by glassman: Art, the MAIN reason anti-biotics are/have been overprecribed in America is the MOMMY factor...
ear infections.....
mom says DO SOMETHING...they do..
this argument about defensive medicine?? don't hold water.... doctors aren't NEARLY as god-like as they portray themselves to be...(or charge for)
when was the last time you got to see a medical menu?
these guys have the biggest anti-trust gig ever run....and they aren't letting go of it without a fight..
Wrong as usual.
Defensive medicine, unnecessary tests and treatments to protect against future law suits, is why physicians order non-needed tests and medicines such as anti-biotics in treating viral infections, or broad spectrum anti-biotics where a narrow spectrum would suffice. This creates treatment resistant microbes for which there is no cure. The lawyers are responsible for defensive medicine, and drive up medical costs while rendering antibiotics ineffective in cases of treatment resistant microbes.
God forbid a liberal should understand reality! Blame the physicians for what the lawyers are responsible for all you like - you are wrong.
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Glass, you are wrong on this subject. This I know from first hand experience. Simply wrong.
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post me some links.... i don't have a subscription to the NE Journal of Medicine, but i do have subscritpion to Science, and i read quite a few other scientific journals... the ear infection thing is true....
i also happen to be married to a genetic engineer....and anti-biotic resistance is one of the main source tools of genetic manipulation today...
i may not be up on the finances of running an MD office, but i do know that they are not NEARLY as confident about how they deliver the medicine as they pretend to be..
and i have personal sperience at how bad things can go...i worked in hospitals in high school and college..i have seen ungodly accidents....as they happened
CDC lists unnesecary/accidental hospital deaths as higher than traffic accidents... and i can't find the page lately...it's gone for the moment for some reason... but the figures are about DOUBLE trafic fatalities
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Defensive medicine, unnecessary tests and treatments to protect against future law suits, is why physicians order non-needed tests and medicines such as anti-biotics in treating viral infections, or broad spectrum anti-biotics where a narrow spectrum would suffice. This creates treatment resistant microbes for which there is no cure. The lawyers are responsible for defensive medicine, and drive up medical costs while rendering antibiotics ineffective in cases of treatment resistant microbes.
God forbid a liberal should understand reality! Blame the physicians for what the lawyers are responsible for all you like - you are wrong.
Art, pharmaceutical companies are spending more money on advertising, that's a bigger problem than tort reform...the numbers are ASTOUNDING, but i don't complain since i am a Mark Martin fan..it doesn't cost me anything cuz i don't use Viagra...LOL(yet anyway..LOL)
i saw an article last year that showed if you are doctor in New Orleans, you could eat EVERY single workday lunch and or dinner for free at at least one 4star or better resaurant around the city...all you had to do was "sign up" with the pharma companies for seminars..... that's just one city..... it's allover...and the seminars???LOL
broad spectrum anti-biotics are used because it's easier than doing cultures and more expedient..cultures take DAYS to get the results.... you can already be half-way thru with the treatment by the time the results come back....
precribing anti-biotics in the course of a viral infection is done because the immune system could be weakened...secondary infections like pneumonia are the real killers in elderly... but it's not done that way to "protect" the dcotors,it's to protect the patients....
the doctors are trying to cut out an epxpense..they won't pass it on when they get it...i wasn't born yestterday..
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Art, pharmaceutical companies are spending more money on advertising, that's a bigger problem than tort reform...the numbers are ASTOUNDING, but i don't complain since i am a Mark Martin fan..it doesn't cost me anything cuz i don't use Viagra...LOL
Sure, we are being ripped off by the drug companies who are allowed to gouge us as they have the FDA, and Republicans and many Democrats, in their pocket. Sure we are being ripped off by the AMA who maintain a closed shop union in controlling monopolistic medicine.
We are also being ripped off immensely by the lawyers and insurance conmpanies as I pointed out before. Also we are paying for health care for the poor since hospitals have to treat the poor for free, including illegal aliens, and pass their costs on to the rest of us paying medical consumers. You can thank the Dumocrats for these problems.
I am surprised that health costs aren't even higher than they are, considering how many non-medical people are at the trough of medical money.
Take away all the regulation - getting government, the lawyers, AMA, and insurance companies out of medicine and health care entirely - would make it affordable for everyone. I would personally order my own tests and prescribe my own medicine, and pay next to nothing for health care. Tests and drugs would cost very little when all the government regulation, lawyers, drug company price inflation by the FDA, insurance companies, and medical monopolizers were eliminated.
keith,sorry to hear about yours sounds painful whatever it is. LOL
Glassman or keith when you get a few free minutes do me a favor and find some links about my problem.You guys seem to find everything,or explain to me how to narrow the search.Trying to beat these Bastuurrds.Don't waste a bunch of time if you have some ideas would appreciate it my IQ is not 190 like you Glassman or,180,170,160,150 only 147 (more than you thought)LOL.Thanks Wheres Gloria allred or the ACLU might have to play the race card.LOL
quote:Originally posted by glassman: reaalllyy FO,
post me some links.... i don't have a subscription to the NE Journal of Medicine, but i do have subscritpion to Science, and i read quite a few other scientific journals... the ear infection thing is true....
i also happen to be married to a genetic engineer....and anti-biotic resistance is one of the main source tools of genetic manipulation today...
i may not be up on the finances of running an MD office, but i do know that they are not NEARLY as confident about how they deliver the medicine as they pretend to be..
and i have personal sperience at how bad things can go...i worked in hospitals in high school and college..i have seen ungodly accidents....as they happened
CDC lists unnesecary/accidental hospital deaths as higher than traffic accidents... and i can't find the page lately...it's gone for the moment for some reason... but the figures are about DOUBLE trafic fatalities
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Glass, I am not only saying MD offices, I am also telling you hospitals. This is a major problem. This effects every facet of the healthcare system. Dr.'s godlike, in a sense yes (that also includes nurses). Do you really understand the dedication it takes to be a doctor? The majority of them yes make a lot of money, well deserved money. The majority also do not get into this field for financial security. That is a factor, but there are easier ways to making money. Medicine is a life long pursuit of education, and the practive of helping others. Do not be so fast to put down those who dedicate their lives to helping others.
I do not want to take away from anyother positions people put themselves in. Any job which requires the life long pursuit of education, and a true dedication to helping others is also in the same feild. I understand every group has its negative people, but as a whole those groups deserve appreciation.
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putting them down? i am not making this stuff up....
i know exactly what it takes....
what i am putting down is the system... and the ridiculous arguments being made about tort reform being the answer to our health care system....
i was a blood drawer in 1978 at one of the largest county hospitals on the country.... my mom was on the Board.... what i saw there convinced me NOT to consider medical school...
The Truth About the Drug Companies By Marcia Angell 1. Every day Americans are subjected to a barrage of advertising by the pharmaceutical..... ...... Prescription drug costs are indeed high—and rising fast. Americans now spend a staggering $200 billion a year on prescription drugs, and that figure is growing at a rate of about 12 percent a year (down from a high of 18 percent in 1999).[1] Drugs are the fastest-growing part of the health care bill—which itself http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17244
this is a start.....if you are interested...
scientists are grubbing for grant money to invent NEW drugs for YOU , and then they HAVE to give the patents to the big pharma co's.... you pay twice...
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I never said the system was wonderful, but I would never condone selective killing of people you think aren't as good as you are! That makes us on the same level as animals, and I'd hope that you have more compassion and intellect than they do!
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quote:Originally posted by Kate: I never said the system was wonderful, but I would never condone selective killing of people you think aren't as good as you are! That makes us on the same level as animals, and I'd hope that you have more compassion and intellect than they do!
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Glassman what do you think about AMEP? heard it could be a big mover
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Sorry 2 holes in your anti christ theory of Bill Clinton. First - no one will know who is the Anti christ according to the bible and most christians already think he is. Second - the anti-christ is loved by all according to the bible, Republicans and more so the christians hate Bill Clinton.
Just an observation
quote:Originally posted by Sgt. Steiner: Hillary will win in 2008 and Slick Willy himself will be the U.N. secreatary General.The beast will have taken the thrown and we will be in the last days of civilazation as we know it. The book of revelations spells this out good luck all
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quote:Originally posted by tigertony: .... my IQ is not 190 like you Glassman..
If you believe Glasman's IQ is 190 you will believe anything.
IQ tests are standardized with a mean of 100 and a standard deviation of 15 (some use 20), so that an IQ of over 132 places you in the top 2 percent of the population in terms of IQ. Score from 132 to 148 are essentially the same (top 2%) because of error of measurement, and the top score is around 148.
I would say Glassman has an IQ of 116 based on his posts.
quote:Originally posted by Art: If you believe Glasman's IQ is 190 you will believe anything.
IQ tests are standardized with a mean of 100 and a standard deviation of 15 (some use 20), so that an IQ of over 132 places you in the top 2 percent of the population in terms of IQ. Score from 132 to 148 are essentially the same (top 2%) because of error of measurement, and the top score is around 148.
I would say Glassman has an IQ of 116 based on his posts.
Art is sorta correct....but he's also full of BS i did put a ridiculous number on there but that's all i changed...and i didn't do it to "trick " anybody -i thought it was funny, and i apologise if you find it offensive...
there are PURE IQ tests out there that go to 160....they involve cognitive ability...
IQ's above 160 generally have to be tested in the sense of ones specialty....and can only be judged thru a historical perspective.....
so Art, is that IQ test yours??? cuz it really is lame.....
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Art you make a typical intellectual mistake...
at the 148 level, memorization and even assimilation skills are more or less maxxed out....how many "search engines" can you run at one time?
from there on out--its pure imagination...LOL
it is quite common for 90 to 98th percentile people to fail to recognise this.....
Score from 132 to 148 are essentially the same (top 2%) because of error of measurement, and the top score is around 148.
this is like saying an earthquake of 7 on the richter scale is like an 8...... 140 is the generally accepted 2% cutoff.....but the 1% is more like 9 compared to a 7 on the richter....... i don't really like discussing this stuff that much.....
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The I.Q. tests provided via the internet are not scientific at all, nor are the personality tests, relationship tests. All these tests do is provide a generalized assesment as they are aimed at testing an average person's intellect. Meaning that shrinks test different levels of intellect differently. For example my I.Q. would have to be tested over a long time period in differing situations while the I.Q. of your average assembly line worker could easily be tested by shaking keys infront of his eyes and noting the time it took him to notice. Posts: 1019 | From: Are You With The CIA? | Registered: Dec 2003
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Glassman: Art, you make a typical intellectual mistake...
Art: What is my mistake? You confuse a standard deviation with the limits of measured intelligence - your mistake, not mine. A SD of 20 instead of 15, on an IQ test, does not extend the limits of intellectual testing. It merely stretches out the distribution of scores. If you measure in millimeters instead of inches, you get a bigger number when you measure a board, but not a bigger board.
Glassman: Art said that at uopper IQ levels, score from 132 to 148 are essentially the same (top 2%) because of error of measurement, and the top score is around 148....this is like saying an earthquake of 7 on the richter scale is like an 8......
Art: Not true at all. If the standard error of measurement of the Richter scale was 2, then an earthquake measured as 7 could actualy be a true 8. An IQ measured as 132 on the Wechsler Adult IQ test, could actualy be 148 in reality, just measured as 132 because of imperfect reliability (not to mention its more imperfect validity). The standard measure of eror is a measure of test error within certain probabilities. All tests are imperfect (unreliable and invalid) to varying degrees.
Glassman: 140 is the generally accepted 2% cutoff.....but the 1% is more like 9 compared to a 7 on the richter....... i don't really like discussing this stuff that much.....
Art: You don't seem to mind offering invalid opinions on any subject, regardless of your ignorance of the subject. The 2% top cutoff on an IQ test is about two standard deviations above the mean. Mensa is an intellectual society that accepts members whose intelligence is in the top 2%. They acept those with an IQ score of 132 on the Wechlser test (which has a standard deviation of 15). Why don't you write and tell them they are wrong in doing this, and should only accept those with an IQ of 140 or above?
it was offering your opinion of my iq value... i wasn't talking about SD
I would say Glassman has an IQ of 116 based on his posts.
art, i just want to fit in....
it's common for VERY bright people like you to fail to recognise certain qualities that others have.....i have run into this all my life.....i'm accustomed to it, but there's no need for YOU to be rude.....
i wasn't talking about your interpretation of the charts....BUT since you bring it up... there is a whole world of scores ABOVE 148
140 IS the top 2%, even the chart says so.... 132 is not 148......i wonder why you feel compelled to BOOTSTRAP....
you yourself offer an OPINION on the way the richter scale works. i suggest you do a little DD on how the richter scale works, it's exponential, not linear.so you need to rethink your deviation value application
each individual's intellect is different Art... and if a comprehensive evaluation sets an IQ value of 148 versus a 132, there is a BIG difference....all tests are imperfect but over a series of tests the deviation can be factored out
the heisenberg uncertainty principle can never be fully ignored no matter what the subject....
i intend to remain polite with you..it is my nature... but.... Art: You don't seem to mind offering invalid opinions on any subject, regardless of your ignorance of the subject. i find it interesting that you think you invalidate my opinions.....you don't, you don't validate/invalidate ANYBODIES opinions
i don't need to join mensa to make me feel better, but if it makes you happy, more power to ya...LOL
as DQR pointed out, there are iq tests, and then there are iq tests.....the test offered here online is not even a real IQ test....i have taken a few of them...
the top 1% isn't 1% smarter...it's just that there are fewer people in that subset....
the top 1% is usually exponentially smarter, and it has to do with the ability to see connections and relationships that nobody else does......and asking questions that nobody else does.... sadly for many it is even insanity.....that's what i mean when i say how many "search engines" can you run at once
i don't really care what you think of my intellect...but i don't appreciate being called a liar or stupid...
and you should learn some manners if you don't have humor...
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Glassman: you ... fail to recognise certain qualities that others have.....i have run into this all my life.....i'm accustomed to it, but there's no need for YOU to be rude.....
Art: Personality variables other than IQ are immensely important in adaptive success. We tend to over-emphasize IQ. which actually only measures some variables involved in intellectual functioning. Creativity is not measured by IQ and is extremely important. Reality can be rude - soften it and you often distort the reality - then it is no longer reality.
Glassman: ...there is a whole world of scores ABOVE 148
Art: Not on the Wechsler - the gold standard of IQ tests.
Glassman: 140 IS the top 2%, even the chart says so....132 is not 148......i wonder why you feel compelled to BOOTSTRAP....
Art: No it doesn't. On the Wechsler, a score of 130 or above captures the top 2.275%, so Mensa uses a score of 132 to designate the cutoff for the top 2%.
Glassman: you yourself offer an OPINION on the way the richter scale works. i suggest you do a little DD on how the richter scale works, it's exponential, not linear.so you need to rethink your deviation value application
Art: I don't know the mean and standard deviation values for the Richter scale. I offered hypothetical values as an example of how an earthquake measuring one way could actually be higher (or lowere) than measured because of the standard error error of measurement. Thus, an IQ measured as 125 on the Wechsler could be obtained when the person's true IQ was 140, or 120.
Glassman... and if a comprehensive evaluation sets an IQ value of 148 versus a 132, there is a BIG difference....all tests are imperfect but over a series of tests the deviation can be factored out.
Art: Good. Now you are thinking! If you could do a series of tests then this would reduce the error of measurement. However, you can not parcel out the practice effect of a person scoring higher on repeated testing unless you use different IQ tests each time, and if you do use different IQ tests each time then you are comparing apples and oranges to some extent and this induces error.
Glassman: ..the heisenberg uncertainty principle can never be fully ignored no matter what the subject....
Art: Doesn't apply in the classical world - for instance, we can simultaneously, and reliably and validly, measure position and momentum of a moving car. Uncertainty exists, as you suggest, but not enough to make a differnce. Otherwise the uncertainty principle would be a good legal argument to defend against speeding tickets. Try this defense if you want to hear a judge laugh - a rare event.
Glasman: i intend to remain polite with you..it is my nature... but....
Art: We all have failings. However, you are not as polite as you pretend to be. Your passive aggresiveness and snideness is irritating to me personally. I irritate you openly and without reservation.
Glasman:.. there are iq tests.....the test offered here online is not even a real IQ test....i have taken a few of them...
Art: I took one that was really, really good - heavy on perceptual intelligence measures (which Einstein excelled in by the way).
Glasman: the top 1% isn't 1% smarter...it's just that there are fewer people in that subset....
Art: And those fewer people are smarter, where "smart" is defined by a score on the IQ test used.
Glassman: the top 1% is usually exponentially smarter
Art: No, maybe not smarter than the people in the 1% to 2% bracket when variables other than the IQ teast score are considered, and not much smarter when only the IQ test score is considered. Take the top 20 people, in IQ scores, out of 1000 people, who show some spread in their scores, and there is no way you can say anyone of them is the best because of the error of measurement in the test.
Glassman: ... the ability to see connections and relationships that nobody else does......and asking questions that nobody else does.... sadly for many it is even insanity.....that's what i mean when i say how many "search engines" can you run at once
Art: Intellectual processing involves simultaneous processing, like in quantum computing, where different operations are simultaneously ongoing, merging and diverging at times. As you say, many talents are utilized here, and only some are measured by IQ tests. We tend to put too much faith in IQ tests - they measure just a small part of adaptive functioning that makes for success in life.
Glasman: i don't really care what you think of my intellect...but i don't appreciate being called a liar or stupid...and you should learn some manners if you don't have humor...lighten up...it's just an election...
Art: I apprecite being called a liar and stupid when it is valid. Valuable feedback to improve my lying ability and to appear less stupid. This election is important - electing Bush might help slow the liberal tide that will destroy this country eventually. Bush is far too liberal - but the lesser of two evils.
quote:Originally posted by Kate: I have read those books, Sgt Steiner! I agree that it could happen, if we don't do what is right, and vote for Bush! We still have free will, and that will always affect things! It is in Gods time, not our own! Like the people I have met at the Republican headquarters say, if Kerry wins, they want to leave the country! They have met both, and several of the men, who are veterans of the war, say they will never forgive Kerry for the things he has said! They believe in President Bush! That just is an added incentive, for my belief in the President! It is always nice to talk with people who have been there with him, in person!
hey Kate? you still wearing your Bush stickers? LOL
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