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Hillary will win in 2008 and Slick Willy himself will be the U.N. secreatary General.The beast will have taken the thrown and we will be in the last days of civilazation as we know it. The book of revelations spells this out good luck all
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Well not sure exactly what you'd like me to elaborate on. Ive said for years Clinton {Bill} would make a run for U.N. sec general and now the stories are all over about it he has confirmed he is interested in the job. Imagine Billy Boy doing Waco on a world wide scale. With Kerry now or Hillary the U.S. {Being the biggest stumbling block to the U.N.}will be much more complicent with things like the U.N. tax or billions being spent on Aids in Africa did you know Clinton controls one of the so called charities that will recieve the massive amounts of money for a sickness we had nothing to do with? Oddly if you read the left behind series which takes the book of revelations and puts the scenerios into modern times the last anti christ is the sec general of the U.N. a good looking well polished great speech maker that most people look at as a peace loving man. The last so called anti christs have all been obvious evil people the last will not
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a lot of us so-called "liberal commy" scientific types are concerned about the prophecies as well...
we (humanity) have common memories that appear in many religions... the flood isn't just a Noah story... the Mayans(whose religion was based on human sacrifice) but in a different form than the cross, share the flood story too...
some of us believe the prophecies hold TRUTH but are not interpreted properly due to the political activity of the churches...
putting your political enemies face to the prophecies is politically expedient....
whether its osam or a clinton.....
it's interesting that the bible clearly stated that we will see ALL of the different calamities...plagues, pestilence, epidemics flood. fires as we aproach this time... we do see them--on TV every day now.. they have always been going on all the time
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now we see them side-by-side every day because of TV, so the bible was correct...
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Bush wins in 2004, Hillary in 2008, severe recession beginning in 2010 - US declines economically for 20 years then reverts to much less regulated capitalism ansd dismantling socialism to slowly improve economically, militarily and politically.
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I have read those books, Sgt Steiner! I agree that it could happen, if we don't do what is right, and vote for Bush! We still have free will, and that will always affect things! It is in Gods time, not our own! Like the people I have met at the Republican headquarters say, if Kerry wins, they want to leave the country! They have met both, and several of the men, who are veterans of the war, say they will never forgive Kerry for the things he has said! They believe in President Bush! That just is an added incentive, for my belief in the President! It is always nice to talk with people who have been there with him, in person!
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Iraq is Bush's Waco huh???? Well lets see Waco happens to be in the U.S. The people murdered in Waco were U.S. citizens so you are dead wrong. Keep in mind Clinton bombed Iraq and Serbia Oh yes and WACO. Also keep in mind Clinton supported taking out Hussein he just would'nt be the one to do it. John Kerry also voted to go to war and has pledged to add 40,000 troops. How can he do that without a draft???
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I served for 22 years what Kerry did when he came home was an outrage he along with Jane Fonda should have been deported long ago. Kerry knew exactly what he was doing he got a few medals most of which are very questionable to whether he was deserving or not and then bailed out. Came home and gained popularity being a war protester because that was what seemed popular at the time. He admitted to comitting war crimes much worse than what got our soldiers at abu grave 8 years in prison yet he is running for president and will most likely win
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To you ART you have some of that right except for the part about socialism ending in 2010 that will never happen. Most of our society now thinks the govt should take care of them this will only get worse and I see no way to correct it once in place
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As along as people vote for democrats there will be a form of socialism.Thats the vote they get people wanting the government to have more and more programs.Whos your Daddy, Democrats programs.
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Your right and the sad thing is the Dems don't even try to hide it. Most people I know that vote Dem do so because they beileve the govt. should take care of them or they buy into the class envy and race baiting its sickening
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quote:Originally posted by Sgt. Steiner: To you ART you have some of that right except for the part about socialism ending in 2010 that will never happen. Most of our society now thinks the govt should take care of them this will only get worse and I see no way to correct it once in place
No, I didn't say Socialism would end in 2010. Read my post again.
Hillary will increase Socialism from 2008 on, then economic deterioration will force a reversal away from socialism around 2030.
Socialism shares with Communism the idea that government should steal from those who earn money (the rich) and give to parasites who didn't earn it (the poor). A small percent of people pay for most of government, with all of its waste and welfare. Liberals want to increase this over time, which will destroy our nation eventually. Liberals should move to Canada or Cuba.
i'm not a liberal, i never voted for him BUT, as i recall Clinton got more people off of welfare than anybody ever..
and as far as healthcare goes? it's INEVITABLE......
if we ever have another flu season like the pandemic of 1918 you'll be SCREAMING for nationalised health care cuz you won't want any sick people within 100 miles of you....
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Nationalize health care ya great why don't you go to Cuba next time you need surgery ha ha ya right. And Clinton did nothing with welfare until Republicans took over Congress
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: you all crack me up...
i'm not a liberal, i never voted for him BUT, as i recall Clinton got more people off of welfare than anybody ever..
and as far as healthcare goes? it's INEVITABLE......
if we ever have another flu season like the pandemic of 1918 you'll be SCREAMING for nationalised health care cuz you won't want any sick people within 100 miles of you....
What good is nationalized healthcare if the treatment is not up to par. Healthcare depends on advancement, without the ability to actually compete, the advancement will slow. Again, what good is it without treatment efficiency and advancement?
quote:Originally posted by glassman: FO, you make it sound like i am a proponent...i'm just giving you the facts..
economically, health care can't work forever as a capitalistic entity...
it's complicated....
but the bottom line is that any given society is at the same risk as it's poorest members...kind of like that ONE rotten apple in the barrel????
Private health care works best.
You erroneously equate the good or well being of a society as a whole with that of its poorest members.
The greatest good for the greatest number is what we should aim for.
This means getting rid of parasites (criminals, unhealthy poor, those on permanent welfare, and others who take more from society than they give) - let them die if they can't afford to feed themselves or get private medical care, and kill them if they are criminals. This will benefit and raise the standard of living for those who take from society no more than they give to society, making for a strong nation able to compete in the world market place and defend itself against other nations or peoples.
Liberals want to increase the number of parasites in society, which will lower the standard of living and weaken the nation, and eventualy destroy the nation.
Vote Dumocrat and support the destruction of the USA.
quote:Originally posted by glassman: you all crack me up...
i'm not a liberal, i never voted for him BUT, as i recall Clinton got more people off of welfare than anybody ever..
and as far as healthcare goes? it's INEVITABLE......
if we ever have another flu season like the pandemic of 1918 you'll be SCREAMING for nationalised health care cuz you won't want any sick people within 100 miles of you....
Liar! You have stated on many occasions that you are a liberal republican... if that isn't an oxymoron I don't know what is. Please allow us to see your next retreat. Now you are worried about flu season?? You have got to be kidding me. This chicken little attitude of yours is rediculous.
quote:Originally posted by Art: Private health care works best.
You erroneously equate the good or well being of a society as a whole with that of its poorest members.
The greatest good for the greatest number is what we should aim for.
This means getting rid of parasites (criminals, unhealthy poor, those on permanent welfare, and others who take more from society than they give) - let them die if they can't afford to feed themselves or get private medical care, and kill them if they are criminals. This will benefit and raise the standard of living for those who take from society no more than they give to society, making for a strong nation able to compete in the world market place and defend itself against other nations or peoples.
Liberals want to increase the number of parasites in society, which will lower the standard of living and weaken the nation, and eventualy destroy the nation.
Vote Dumocrat and support the destruction of the USA.
hey Art, are you the founder of the Eugenics Party????? LOL do a google on Charles Davenport...or better yet Harvard-credentialed doctor, Edwin Katzen-Ellenbogen, an original member of the Eugenics Research Association created in 1913, who ended up as a physician prisoner and SS collaborator at the Buchenwald concentration camp
quote:Originally posted by DiQuiRiesco: [QUOTE]Originally posted by glassman: [b]you all crack me up...
i'm not a liberal, i never voted for him BUT, as i recall Clinton got more people off of welfare than anybody ever..
and as far as healthcare goes? it's INEVITABLE......
if we ever have another flu season like the pandemic of 1918 you'll be SCREAMING for nationalised health care cuz you won't want any sick people within 100 miles of you.... Liar! You have stated on many occasions that you are a liberal republican... if that isn't an oxymoron I don't know what is. Please allow us to see your next retreat. Now you are worried about flu season?? You have got to be kidding me. This chicken little attitude of yours is rediculous.
LOL you got me i'm an OXYerMORON..i don't consider a liberal republican to be a LIBERAL in the Hillary sense of the word...
i just don't think we should be killing crippples....LOL
and i already wrote a damn book on the flu tonight OK....LOL
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: hey Art, are you the founder of the Eugenics Party?????
Yes, you reward incompetence in a society and incompetence increases. You reward parasites (criminals, unhealthy poor, welfare recipients, addicts, etc.) and parasites multiply to degrade the society.
Hilter's mistake was in killing the Jews, who were a valuable resource to Germany. Had he not done this, Germany would have won WW II - the Jewish scientist would have contributed immensely to Germany's weapons development, and they would have had atomic weapons and rockets to deliver them, years before the U.S.
Liberals would reward incompetence, irresponsibilty, parasitic draining of society's resouces, etc. They have been destroying the country for over 50 years and conservatives are trying to stem the tide.
A growing number of parasites are now multiplying in Canada, for instance, and that country has been on a decline for some time. Much of Europe is doing the same. Cuba long ago threw in the towel.
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Art, since I've worked with underpriviledged people, I have to say, that there are a lot of people out there, on disability, or welfare, that have no other choice! I had a student for the literacy council, that when she was five, and went to school for the first time, she cried, so her Dad decided to keep her at home, and work the farm! She had no education to speak of! She had an accident, which made her arm deformed, so her job prospects, were very limited! When she finally did work, she had to work in a chicken factory! She couldn't read, but she memorized the answers to the drivers test, so she could drive! She also came to us, to learn to read! She is in her sixties, and still trying to learn! I know that there are a lot of people who abuse the system, but I take insult on behalf of those who I know don't have any other choice! No offense, but there are good people out there, with bad circumstances, and it is a priviledge for me to know them!
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I also work with the ghetto poor and have for ove a decade.....
I find people who need it, but, I also find welfare recipients driving escalades. I know of students who plan on having babies to get bigger welfare checks, etc....
I have witnessed a lot more abuse than one could imagine, I have done this type of work in a few different towns and cities, the system is a joke, doesn't work and is a waist of money.
It sounds good for a talking point "help the poor", it doesn't work and no one follows up where my money goes....
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Killing or otherwise stopping parasites (those who take more from the nation than they give) from reproducing benefits the nation as a whole - some must die and suffer so the majority benefits - the benefit to the many outweighs the harm for the few.
Ill people that can not afford to get medical care, and the poor that can't work, should go to a government live-in center where work is provided along with shelter, job training, food, basic medical care, basic entertainment, etc. However, no alcohol, street drug, or tobacco use would be allowed, and sterilization would be enforced so no babies could be born to residents in these centers. Anyone would be free to leave if they could work in competitive society or could be supported by family or private charity, but no government welfare would be provided outside the live-in government center.
Eventually, parasites (those who take more from the nation than they give) would be reduced to a small amount and the nation would be stronger and better able to compete in the world market where nations are always at war (economically) with each other.
Liberals will never allow such government centers to exist.
quote:Originally posted by Kate: Art, since I've worked with underpriviledged people, I have to say, that there are a lot of people out there, on disability, or welfare, that have no other choice! I had a student for the literacy council, that when she was five, and went to school for the first time, she cried, so her Dad decided to keep her at home, and work the farm! She had no education to speak of! She had an accident, which made her arm deformed, so her job prospects, were very limited! When she finally did work, she had to work in a chicken factory! She couldn't read, but she memorized the answers to the drivers test, so she could drive! She also came to us, to learn to read! She is in her sixties, and still trying to learn! I know that there are a lot of people who abuse the system, but I take insult on behalf of those who I know don't have any other choice! No offense, but there are good people out there, with bad circumstances, and it is a priviledge for me to know them!
It is a strong human tendency to love others as if they were family, rather than just friends. This is an adoptive love that is instinctively based in order to provide wfor care of the infants we have. However, when this love is applied outside of to the infant, it often is evil as it creates more problems than it solves.
Outside of infancy, we should only apply conditional love and never adoptive love. Conditional love helps others to help themselves, but if others do not respond to this, or unable to help thenmselves with the assistance given, they are killed or reduced in number (per my plan in the post above).
The liberal mentality is to love everyone always, using unconditional (adoptive) love. This benefits the few at the cost to the many and creates more evil than good as the standard of living for everyone slides downhill.
The conservative mentality is to help only those who can learn to help themselves enough to contribute to society rather than to be parasites on society. Others who don't qualify are killed, left to die, or supported but not allowed to reproduce. This makes a nation better able to compete in the world marketplace, increases the standard of living for everyone, and provides benefit to the many at the expense to the few.
You can be mother to the world but be aware that this provides you selfish pleasure - you serve yourself by serving others. Be aware also that you benefit the few at the expense to the many, and this is evil. Adoptive (undconditional) love is frequently evil in its overall effect.
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Keith,tellme about it.The system is a disaster.I worked since i was 15 got hurt on the job and disabled at 38 took me 5 years to get my social security disability.work comp has spend five years of fighting with attorneys,and keep spending tons fighting my surgery,when if they had just paid for my neck and back surgery,i would be better.Also they would have saved the system all this money fighting me.My attorney says it because of all the fraud in the system.He also said once you get into the war like i am, i am screwed there are millions in this country like me says its an epidemic.In 1971 they passed a mandate that all states had to comply with to make work comp better,not one state as of 2004 has complied and the system is fallen to the brink of disaster.They fight every test,medicine,treatments,doctors.Twice after not authorizing tests, set court dates waited 2 months to go before a judge.The day before hearing they authorize it.two different ocassions would'nt authorize medication for three months.I have doctor reports from there own doctor and mine saying all the delays made me worse,just lying in bed.Judge orders them to get me a special bed,tests,specialists,physical therapy,physchologist.After two weeks of therapy they cut me off.Physcologist diagnoses me with major depression (what a surprise) that was 3 years ago they cut me off after 4 visits.My main doctor got so tired of the fight and delays games and hours and hours of his staff trying to get things authorized he finally dumped me.The point to this sorry about dragging on is worked and payed into system my whole life,get hurt on job and this is how i get treated,401 k gone life policy's gone iras gone.refinanced and took out equity 3 times to survive.Now wife has good job last year and 1/2 or i would be gone.Now we can help all these other countries and non working americans,illegal aliens and this is how we treat a born and raised worked my whole life citizen.Moral of the story its a great country Just Don't Get Hurt On The Job.Smile and laugh life is to short.
If i had'nt spent so much time writing this i would erase it so you did'nt have to read this crap.USE THE SCROLL TO PASS THIS POST. Art does this mean i have to be put to sleep.LOL I have asked to go to a vetrinarian.Because i would'nt treat a dog this way.LOL Chapter 2 LOL
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Art, your concepts are textbook.... i ain't gonna say which textbook, cuz i don't want to offend your conservative friends..LOL
it's amazing how different two conservatives can be, and yet still believe they share the same values....(i'm not talking about myself at all)
You don't know what you are talking about.
You can't provide any textbook source for my comments because thay are original.
I challenge you to name and quote from any source that describes my ideas as I presented them. My book, in progress, will provide a scientific foundation to support my ideas, of which only a few were presented here.
If you can only argue against my ideas by falsely saying they are not original, then you should shut up and thereby conceal your ignorance.
Pathetic!
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Tony is CORRECT Keith... i too, have seen some things...
estimates are that 30 to 50% of medical$$ go to management...
i have occasion to know for a fact that having good insurance encourages them to go overboard with tests and surgery....
we are facing some serious public health crises on the planet right now.. they have NOTHING to do with lack of insurance...as a matter of fact insurance has created a mentality of overprescribing anti-biotics anti-biotic resistant staphylococcus is ALMOST at crisis levels... some say its a crisis already...
in Russain jails, they allowed conditions so horrid, (while improperly prescribing antibiotics) that we now have new strains of TB.......
Avian Flu...
SARS? anyone? GOVRNMENT is the ONLY way these problems will be addresed efectively....
NO, i am not a LIBERAL.... but am a liberal(in some things)
Art, i am not arguing against your ideas... they are pre-Darwin even, he just kind of assembled them
the problem (from a purely scientific view) is that as we "cull" the herd, we may in fact be deleting important survival codes that we just aren't smart enough to recognise...what works today, may not work tomorrow....
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We still have free will, and that will always affect things! It is in Gods time, not our own! Like the people I have met at the Republican headquarters say, if Kerry wins, they want to leave the country! 
