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Glassman we all step on toe's when we post,but that's ok we live in america.We discuss it we agree,we disagree,we learn ,get new info,sometimes change are minds on some things because of that.Thats a good thing.No matter what this country will survive and prosper.Because of that.
Posts: 942 | From: tracy,ca U.S.A | Registered: Aug 2004
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Will the Dems sue us if we watch stolen honor????? I know they are sending lawyers to every swing state to protest results they don't like? Why did Bush not sue FATBOY Moore over his lying propaganda movie. If Bush is such a dictator why is he not dead
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Look if a right wing conservative fanatical lunatic (me) and a repulican,commie semi left liberal (you) can discuss things anythings possible.LMAO LMAO LMAO
Posts: 942 | From: tracy,ca U.S.A | Registered: Aug 2004
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does anyone actually think that Kerry will truly be tough on terrorism? I really do see him as someone who swings with the polls and pop. opinion. If he had to do something, I see him as the type to let it slide rather than finish the job. I think nomatter what he does he will eventually side with the polls, right or wrong. It is understandable that the people of this country will never truly know every detail of the war, what led to it, and what is actually being done on a daily basis to protect it. I just can not see kerry as a person to back up his words with action. He really does come across as all talk. How can anyone not see it that way?
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quote:Originally posted by Sgt. Steiner: Will the Dems sue us if we watch stolen honor????? I know they are sending lawyers to every swing state to protest results they don't like? Why did Bush not sue FATBOY Moore over his lying propaganda movie. If Bush is such a dictator why is he not dead
I will never understand how anyone can call the President a dictator? really... He is doing something that part of the reason we went in was not true, even though the threat was still the same. Granted the opinions of the war are not all on his side. But how can anyone call him that when they are talking about one of a few people who is willing to see somehing to the end in order to establish a more peacfull middle east. Long term there his efforts will provide a better way of life for millions of people, and maybe finally bring those people the self respect they deserve.
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FO, how can you say the threat was still the same with or without WMD? that makes NO SENSE like most of Bush's behaviour...LOL
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But this has nothing to do with being nuts, this has to do with protecting your own country. This war is very different than thta one. I would imagine that war was far worse for the troops. At least according to some vets I know it was. The funny thing is I can not see how kerry wants to be a leader if he is not willing to take a stand on anything he has ever done in his life. From what I see when I look at him, its just a guy who runs away when the odds do not favor him. But that is only personal opinion. I just can not see someone who appears and has acted so weak being the leader of our nation. 20 years in office, and he really has not done many noteworthy things. With 20 years I would imagine that someone who really does respect his office would have done more. Thats what this comes down to for me. I see him, and I see a man who has no respect for his own country. All I see is a man who wants to be the top dog, I dont see someone who wants to actually do the job. And I say that based on his history, he has had 20 years to prove this this country that he is a person of action, that he is someone who will do what needs to be done. But I just dont see it with him, not with anything he has ever done at least (but I could be missing a couple of things) When I look at the President I see just the opposite.
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If you look at something through a microscope only, you will most likely miss what is right in front of you...
What do you think would have happened later on? He still had the capability, he still had the desire. His people, starving, murdered, mistreated... while he paid people to commit suicide. He took that country and made it his own playpen, he had to be held accountable. The fact that he wanted to start his weapons program again, and the fact that he had everything in place (even had one of the head people of the program bury the plans in his backyard until he was called upon) to restart the production. How can that not be a threat? two weeks a month later... where would things have been? You don't think he would have gladely used his money to supprt those against the US? you dont think he would have enjoyed killing inocent women and children? He seemed to enjoy them enough in his own backyard, why not in yours?
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this PROVES my point FO.... The funny thing is I can not see how kerry wants to be a leader if he is not willing to take a stand on anything he has ever done in his life. From what I see when I look at him, its just a guy who runs away when the odds do not favor him. But that is only personal opinion
you have been buying the GOP propaganda, that's why you have this opinion...Kerry is very strong on what he believes in and wouldn't try to be president if he wasn't... so please stop with the BS...say you want to invade another third world country and kill people not like US, just like Bush and be done with it...
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some people see Bush this way too.... I see him, and I see a man who has no respect for his own country. All I see is a man who wants to be the top dog, I dont see someone who wants to actually do the jobPosts: 36378 | From: USA | Registered: Sep 2003
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The Dems now want Kerry to loose so Hillary can run in 2008
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you have to be asking yourself, are you the one who has bought into the propoganda? You are saying exactly what the kerry camp has trained you to say. It amazes me that you can not see what is right in front of you. Kerry is weak, his running for office is really only meant to satisfy his ego. Do you actually think one single thing he did in the 20 years of civil service amounts to anything? He has no record to run on, and that is what I base my decision on. He does come across as weak , if he were not why has he accomplished so little in his life as a senator? If ever elected he would only be a pupit. The sad fact is, he does not have one single thing to back him up in saying he can do the job of being the President of the US. Nothing. Really, there is simply nothing of substance.
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quote:Originally posted by Clyde Crashcup: The Dems now want Kerry to loose so Hillary can run in 2008
no $HIT....i've been tryin to tell these guys this all along...
FO--you ahave a lot of nerve accusing me of being brainwashed by anybody...you admit you are a political activist..... i happen to be an allstocks member who ONLY posts here... and share my opinions based on MY OWN DD not this crap you PROPAGANDISTS are pouring out..
BUSH invaded Iraq cuz he wanted to.....
Bush can't even answer questions without a cheat sheet...when he gets on his own, he starts babbling....
his political ads are more than hlf lies about Kerry, and refuse to address the damage Bush has done to US
quote:Originally posted by glassman: some people see Bush this way too.... [b] I see him, and I see a man who has no respect for his own country. All I see is a man who wants to be the top dog, I dont see someone who wants to actually do the job[/B]
I understand that. People are entitled to that opinion just as I am. I am not saying that they should not feel as they do. If they have their reasons they have them. But I am looking at it in the long term sense of our country. In that sense, I see what our President has done as positive. It does take courage to do what is best even when there is no support for you in the mean time. That is why I have a lot of respect for the President, because he seems to want to do the job rather than just want the job.
everybody blames France for the UN veto.... Putin was a NO......
Russia is the SECOND largest producer of oil....
Saudi is NOW pumping as much as they can and they are getting the BEST prices ever.... and you sit here and try to tell me that Bush did a good thing for US?
i gotta wonder....
we compete directly with China for oil.... we are heavily invested in China ourselves...China said NO to the Iraq invasion too....(OH YEAH).... after we did it, China announced that they were cutting growth....funny, that's when the market turned back to the south....NO LOL..
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: no $HIT....i've been tryin to tell these guys this all along...
FO--you ahave a lot of nerve accusing me of being brainwashed by anybody...you admit you are a political activist..... i happen to be an allstocks member who ONLY posts here... and share my opinions based on MY OWN DD not this crap you PROPAGANDISTS are pouring out..
BUSH invaded Iraq cuz he wanted to.....
Bush can't even answer questions without a cheat sheet...when he gets on his own, he starts babbling....
his political ads are more than hlf lies about Kerry, and refuse to address the damage Bush has done to US
Sounds like propaganda to me. Oh FYI, Kerry had cheat sheats (or so some claim). They were not allowed any, but then why when he walked back to the pulpit (I think the second debate) did he pull paper out of his pocket and put them onto the pulpit? None were allowed. Strike you as odd? seems odd to me. I admit to nothing, I am not a political activist, just a guy like you. I do however, not enjoy being told that I have bought into propoganda, much like yourself. Fact is, from what I see, read, hear, and even discuss on these boards I form my opinion. I have learned more about these two men since starting to post on the topic a couple of weeks ago, than I even wanted to. But still I only find reasons to support our President.
What damage has Bush done to the US? hurt our image with other countries? Did you know, (assuming it is true, follow links on other thread)that the US is the only country that has asked to go to war? So why is is that the world things we are in the wrong, for doing what was right? I am sure they have their self-serving reasons, much like we did for this war. The only difference is that we went in for our own reasons, but the results for millions will be positive, even those countries that disagree with us. Stabalizing the middle east is not a one week task, it will take a long time, and this is the perfect start. Seems to me he has helped the economy from post 9/11. He has stood by what every other person has had the luxury to flop on. Yes the war, do you really buy into the idea that an iraq with the capability of building WMD's was not a threat? How could it not be in the reality of todays world. The fact is, that President Bush has done a lot, and taken a lot of heat for trying to do a job that is increasingly hard, particularly when you have people who try and point the finger. For example, kerry points the finger, But has not done one single positive thing to actually help this country. He is a joke.
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you can either look at things that will help us right now, or things that will help us over time. This problem was ignored for long enough, something had to happen and it did. I am happy to pay higher gas prices as long as I know I can get up and go about my daily business without having to worry wether or not the movie I go to on saterday will have a mad bomber in it. And you know what, that is the reality of it right now, I think those things. You have to now, if you don't you are out of touch with reality. seriously out of touch. It only takes one person. But if in 15-20 years my kids will not have to worry about this, well paying 15 more cents a galled for my beast is worth it. Happy miles.
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i was reading this.... October 14, 2004 Here's my guide to how to talk to a Kerry voter. On the Arizona for Bush mailing list I participate in, I’m often the one who goes after the Kerry trolls. Despite my blog name, I’ve gotten a reputation for being the most civil responder. So here’s my guidelines for how to have a civil discussion with a Kerry voter.
and failed to recognise that you had quoted it... i am sorry...
it's not just higher gas prices you will be paying....
there is a REAL problem here... we are borrowing too much...
we don't have another dotcom on the way yet... i can say that there are some serious possibilities in the biotech feild, but i see investment money going to all the wrong things.....
i too have learned more than i wanted to... and i disagree that we are safer for invading iraq...
the BEST thing to come out of this for me so far is that i have become MUCH better at constructing my google search parameters.. i remember these stupid trivial things and feel like i need to verfy them(dumb huh?) so i have gotten quite a bit better at doing googles to find EXACTLY what i am looking for... oh well.. we will probably ALL vote, and maybe by thanksgiiving we'll know who won....LOL
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Moore is a fat lying piece of crap. He lied in that movie about the GM plant in MI. He lied about Bush the reason he has not been sued is the republicans are above that. You should move to France with your fat freind
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quote:Originally posted by Sgt. Steiner: Moore is a fat lying piece of crap. He lied in that movie about the GM plant in MI. He lied about Bush the reason he has not been sued is the republicans are above that. You should move to France with your fat freind
LOL, the GOP is above that? what planet are you from?
he used very carefully worded statements to make you think you hear something you didn't.... the GOP does it too..... they all doo... the difference is that moore does it and gets paid by his customers voluntarily, while the politicians do it and you pay them whether you want to or not...LOL
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Glassman just another Marxist running his mouth pushing his socialism. Oh by the way the reason gas is so high is because commie enviro whackos like you have kept this country from builing a refinery in 20 years even if we bring in more oil we can't handle it. Kerry is a liar through and through He claims to be a devoted catholic yet the church has clearly stated any supporter of him is not acting in the catholic faith, He claims to be a hunter and outdoor sportsman yet real hunters laugh at this even field and stream in the sept issue interviewed Kerry and pointed out he knew nothing about hunting or guns. He also says he will raise taxes on top wage earners keep in mind the richest people in the US are not wage earners they are people like him and his Muslim loving wife. He is also running around the country with Jesse HiJackson {another notorious liar)touring Black churches crying Bush is racist. Isnt not Illeagal to take politics into a church?? Could they not loose their tax exempt status for this well of course not that would be racist
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quote:Originally posted by Sgt. Steiner: Glassman just another Marxist running his mouth pushing his socialism. Oh by the way the reason gas is so high is because commie enviro whackos like you have kept this country from builing a refinery in 20 years even if we bring in more oil we can't handle it. Kerry is a liar through and through He claims to be a devoted catholic yet the church has clearly stated any supporter of him is not acting in the catholic faith, He claims to be a hunter and outdoor sportsman yet real hunters laugh at this even field and stream in the sept issue interviewed Kerry and pointed out he knew nothing about hunting or guns. He also says he will raise taxes on top wage earners keep in mind the richest people in the US are not wage earners they are people like him and his Muslim loving wife. He is also running around the country with Jesse HiJackson {another notorious liar)touring Black churches crying Bush is racist. Isnt not Illeagal to take politics into a church?? Could they not loose their tax exempt status for this well of course not that would be racist
watch out there sarge....
i would be happy to invest in another shiny new refinery....BUT it's not the freaking commy pinkoPETA wimps.....
haven't you noticed there are no more independant gas/oil companies? we haven't done enough to keep anti-trust laws strict...
i didn't say gas was high--i said OIL was high, gas WILL be high soon and you will be parking your HUMV.....sorry... not my fault.... i get sick of trying to splain all dis.....
Bush is a checkers player in a chess world... get over it...
as far as the religion thing goes, you need to get an update sarge.... Bush's whole campaign is just one big tent revival meeting.....heck i can show you dozens of churches that have complained because Bush/Cheney have requested their mailing lists for fund-raising.... Bush hangs with Pat Robertson one week and Billy Graham the next..... Bush even told Pat he could take Iraq with no casualties...... that's what Pat says anyway...
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If Bush has faith in God and wants to as you say hang out with Robertson or others like him so be it. Their is a big difference between asking for church directories or having the support of christians and outright going into a church and campainging which is what Kerry has done. Imagine if Bush was to show up in a church and declare to the congregation that Kerry was a devil worshiper. The aclu would jump all over that one. Kerry has been in the senate over 20 years and what has he done? He complains about social security yet has done nothing to perserve it claims to be a hunter but sides with gun control now claims to be fiscal conservative yet votes for any tax increase that comes his way.
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the WHOLE free world has a vested interest in seeing democracy succeed in iraq, Bush is not STRONG enough to bring the rest of the world to the table....
Bush's "strength" comes across to MOST of the world as conceit, and that breeds contempt...... all you have to do is check out the world news from OTHER countries...
in Japan, the PM is for Bush, but the the Japanese citizens are OVERWHELMINGLY anti-Bush..is that strength?
in Britain right now, Blair is facing some very big difficulties over moving the Black Watch trooops to Baghdad.....
Poland has announced pullout plans, starting in Jan. ...
Australia is the only place we are being supported by the people and the govt.
we have NO CHOICE, we have to WIN the whole deal in Iraq, and we will---NO MATTER who wins...
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I'm not sure which churches you are referring to, that were interviewed, when it comes down to voting for President Bush Glass! Like I've said in other posts, Christianity and religion aren't the same thing! Some people claim to be a Christian, because they have gone to church all of their lives, believe in God, and say that they have lived good lives! That don't cut it! Those are the ones that I am seeing, as being against Bush! I've driven around our county, and seen the signs in the yards, and that is the story! It is people that go to church, so they can say, look at me! I'm a good person, but they only give God one hour of their time each week, that have Kerry posters! A Christian, has accepted Jesus as Savior! They live ALL of their lives, for Him, the best that they can, and from what I see, everyone that believes this way, is voting for Bush! We have three churches in our area, that work together for many things, and I can tell you right now, that at least 90 percent of them, will be voting for Bush! It's a done deal! My own pastor has a Bush sign in his yard! We go to church, to pray for others, and worship God! Our church puts God above everything else! We don't worry about the clothes we wear, just so we are presentable! We visit our sick, and elderly, and give to our missionaries. Do you belong to a social club church,That is only involved one hour a week,for the most part, that will vote for Kerry, or a Christian church, that will vote for Bush? Believe me, I know the difference! I left a church that was exactly that way! They didn't believe that the Bible was totally true! What's the point of going if you believe this way? You either believe that a God, who can create a universe, can inspire a man to write exactly what he wants, in his Word, or you don't believe God is capable of doing everything, because you are a human that wants to be in control of your own life! Anyway, that is how I feel! Posts: 622 | From: USA | Registered: Aug 2004
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