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WATCH STOLEN HONOR FOR FREE ONLINE ( 12 meg file .wmv ) The documentary is 42 minutes long.
http://www.buttondepress.com/BostonManifesto/stolenhonor.wmv

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Thank you Bob, I am sure Glass will say this is some sort of lie and made up, but I hope every American get a chance to see this. Thanks for finding it and sharing it with us.
God Bless and Semper Fi

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well, i haven't logged on yet ohda, but i will....

before i do, i will tell you that 42 minutes is three minutes short of the NORMAL adult human attention span, making me suspicious already that it was designed by an EXPERT....LOL


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Thanks Bob, for making that available.I am gonna throw up.He should be tried for treason.This is who some want to make commander and chief,God help us.Glassman no matter what you think of Bush what i just saw should trump anything.I would rather vote for ted kennedy.What he did is unexcusable during war time,or any other time.And if he said he did some of those things ,he should have been charged with war crimes.John Kerry I spit on you.He is despicable,and sick.Yeah he will handle the war on terror my ass,freakin commie is what he is.TRAITOR
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so far, Kerry is just guilty of telling the TRUTH about war....5 mins in...
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tell me what we did win in the NAM?


go hang out at VA center anywhere in a WARM climate where homeless live and you will see....

ask counselors that have worked with them...

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now we see prisoners being interogated? hmmm we do that too...
same stuff..

so how long do i have to listen to them describe what the enemy did to our troops?

Jane Fonda?


13 1/2 minutes about Nam....so far?

16 minutes and i now know war is hell...

17 minutes Kerry didn't meet secretly..with N. Viets..it was well documented..


these guys have never heard of Calley and My-lai...they are blaming Kerry fo that????


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Glassman, you served,I am not talking about interrogation.I am talking about his concocted made up stories,of nonstop rape,cutting off arms,ears,heads,running around killin everything in site.Were there a couple of sick episodes that villages were destroyed and the people killed yes.But soldiers came forward and tried to stop it and people were punished.Lot of trumped made up fabricated.99.9% of are soldiers would not go along with that.Kerry took it ran with it and made it like thats what the whole army was doing everyday,raping,killing children cutting off body parts,BS.
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You don't have a problem with him doing all this during the war.And helping the enemy,by doing so.Which caused our troops more pain,suffering and death,and prolonged it.All he did was give them ammo,he might as well have shot some of them himself.If i was him i would be looking over my shoulder, some ex vietnam snipers are probably thinking about him right now.
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they didn't need ammo... that's the point...
and we did that stuff...accept it..


KENT STATE?? anyone???


these guys are full of it..we chucked the Geneva convention at the beginning of this war too...
and i have alreay documented it...
they even admit that the politicians screwed it up, just like this war we are in now...

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No there blaming kerry for pulling that sh#t while there still over there and helping the enemy to F#%K them over more.
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I accept what we did,but his version is off by light years.And you don't do it during the war.They had original footage of guys making it up on that tape.Guy names a battle ,oh yeah i remember,iwas there,well if they ask yeah i was there.
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the movie is trying to give Kerry more credit for the anti-war movement than he earned...it takes a great deal of courage to stand up against the gov. and say what you believe...

the statements that the POWS were there longer because of the anti-war movement..FICTION....
that is sad...

war by definitin is a suspension of the law ....

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John McCain was a POW......

he doesnot see Kerry this way.....
he is republican.....


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The point to this has nothing to do with the war,the politicians,the mistakes.Screwed up horribly run,managed etc.We could have one easily we put clamps on them which is the oppossite of running rampant.The whole problem is when he did it and how he exxagerated it.
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Yeah because publicly he can't or i am sure he would.I guarantee you he is despised by plenty over this.Including me and i am not a vet.The truth this guy does'nt know the meaning in truth.Boy if this guy wins, hows canada lately.
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John McCain was a POW......

he doesnot see Kerry this way.....
he is republican.....



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quote:
Originally posted by tigertony:
Yeah because publicly he can't or i am sure he would.I guarantee you he is despised by plenty over this.Including me and i am not a vet.The truth this guy does'nt know the meaning in truth.Boy if this guy wins, hows canada lately.

no Tony that's absolutely bassakwards...
don't you recall the concerns about whether or not McCain would be Kerry's VP? McCain and Kerry are FRIENDS, if political enemies...and i would vote for Mcacain in a second....

this movie is 90% bleeding heart conservative crybaby whining...
5% fact and 5% lies.....

the war in Nam would have gone on AT LEAST for several more years if NOT for the anti-war movement.....Nixon ended it and look what they did to him.....

your response to this peice of propaganda is why i say that the average american is not prepared to wage war...

it's EZ to be cheerlaeders..Bush was a cheerleader in college did you know that?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/images/campaign2000/bush/bush_photo6.htm

those of US that are willing to do the wet work don't really care who says what as long as we get what we need to do the job.....
Kerry did the wetwork while Bush partied...
i heard a rumor that Nancy started the Just say NO campaign after meeting him....


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apparently alot of vets do care because there the ones making the commercials and talking about it.Well in my opinion tag him and bag him.LOL I still say 10 paces turn and fire survivor is president.Man i can't wait for this to be over.
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Bush wasa cheerleader in college did you know that?
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Are you trying to say he had one of those operations,hmm thought he looked a little weird.LOL

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Glassman i know you dislike Bush in a big way and that is the only reason you want kerry. You would'nt vote vote kerry other than its your only option other than Bush.Just admit you know he was wrong to do that during the war.
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Glass I have lost what litle respect i had for you. I had accepted the fact that you were anti Bush, but you have gone way too far. I have been to plenty VA hospitals, many American Legions (which I am a PROUD member), many AMVETs (which I am a PROUD member), DAVs, I know alot of NAM vets, it is ridiculous for you or kerry to say that everyone of our Men in Nam did that.
I can't believe you are saying that when we interogate our prisoners we do anything close to what our Hero's went through. You and kery are slapping every man and woman to ever were a uniform in defense of our great nation, and to think, you wore the bell bottoms and cracker jack your self. Do they teach you guys this stuff at navy boot camp? I know alot of great sailors that served our nation but you and kerry have ruined alot of that. Thank God you and kerry and people like you weren't around when the minute men took a stand. God Bless America, God Bless our troops that are in harms way, and God Bless president Bush

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...i still like ya glass....LOL
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where did i say (or Kerry) that every one of our men did that?

you guys aren't doing the DD, you are letting OTHER people do it for you....

i know guys that did it...
they took ears...
they did all kinds of stuff..some of them are still proud of it...

when i was on one ship, the guy above my bunk slept with his eyes open and had very loud nightmares that seemed like he was awake....he talked in his sleep

i had a good freind who was a seal commit suicide after killing somebody on a mission in columbia...
all you babies can vote for whoever you want to... when you go to war people do bad things and some of them can't live with it and some can...Bush never went...and he prays to figure out where to strike next?


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glass,how many times have you been to war? I may be young but not a baby
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none.....never said i did,
you got gulf war sperience?

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quote:
Originally posted by tigertony:
Glassman i know you dislike Bush in a big way and that is the only reason you want kerry. You would'nt vote vote kerry other than its your only option other than Bush.Just admit you know he was wrong to do that during the war.

i voted for Bush last time....i laughed when Gore tried for the re-count. Bush has flip-flopped or whatever you want to call it so many times in the last four years it ain't funny, and in case you haven't heard, almost all of the intellectual economists in the US are screaming red-alert right now, cuz of the deficit...which HE created.....

i don't want to vote for Kerry....
but he didn't lie...
i don't like the fact that he said the things he did, i don't want to tell you that war is hell, but i won't stand around while they try paint this thing pretty when it isn't...

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I have been to Afghanistan twice, and trying to go to Iraq.
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quote:
Originally posted by ohdagagain:
I have been to Afghanistan twice, and trying to go to Iraq.

if i wasn't 44, married and a father i would too, but it would NOT matter if Kery was my CIC....
read my early posts...i am even MORE unhappy with Bush and Cheney for trying to make Kerry look like a weak military person than i am about the WMD thing...in my opinion it is unpatriotic

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Fearless Leader needs to be a little more carefull in his PR's---I am very concerned that he is going to try to equate a vote for Kerry as a weak stance on terrorism--this will confuse our enemies--
I think the surprise election results in Spain are a good indication that people EVERYWHERE are not pleased with the US/BUSH policy in IRAQ--The polls at home don't seem to me to be quite right-the published 5% difference between Bush and Kerry seems a little fishy to me --
in any case, the voters will speak and if the Bush campaign tries to make it seem like we don't care about terrorism by voting against him-- he may in fact be inviting a new wave of attacks---

IRAN gave back the hostages when we elected Reagan--IMMEDIATELY--remember? Carter didn't have a chance.
I don't see Kerry as a weak hand in SECURITY

I am not backing either candidate here --i am just editorialising about what i am seeing on the world news-

don't you see that Bush is being cruel to the troops...he KNEW he couldn't win without this kind of campaign....
he did not get the popular vote last time....


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the facts are pretty depressing about how the vote went last time...
the re-count wasn't the problem. it is the voter rgistration stuff that's the problem, and it's still going on....

many people have been signed up to vote that have never voted before...
it's because of the last election, and i won't be surprised if Bush's numbers come in below 45%...the pollsters don't call that many people....

did you know that Bush's people VERY carefully SCREEN who comes into their speech "rallys" all of that cheering you hear? it's very well orchestrated....


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and since Bush has run on this type of campaign, he may have encouraged more people to come and vote for him, and he MAY win...
i promise that i will shut TFup instantly...
cuz he is the CIC, if he wins....

but i know that voter registration across the country has been 2 to 1 democrat....and they have been signing up that way since the last election...because of the WAY Bush won....
so, if Kerry wins, (BECAUSE of this propaganda campaign against him,) the troops, LIKE YOU, will feel betrayed....

Bush has stood on the side and said NONE of this stuff....
but O'neal, (the swift-boat guy) was a Nixon croney...want links?


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i wouldn't be surprised if the numbers are way higher for bush. lots of folks have no land lines now and the pollsters don't have cell phone listings. IMO the group missing will favor bush...
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even if Bush wins, he isn't getting a 50% or better job aproval rating, and has only manged to break 50% a couple times this year...
he hasn' had a 55% or better rating since summer LAST year... http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

his ratings have been dropping steadily since it became OBVIOUS that there were no WMD's....


most all of my posting here has been an attempt to peirce the spin, not sell you Kerry....

this isn't like betting on a ball game...

if Bush wins by less than a 2% margin, the campaign he has run STILL protrays AMERICA as weak cuz enough of the US voted for Kerry that our enemies will be looking at that too...is this patriotic?

Kerry is not a magic bullet...but, yes i am voting AGAINST Bush, not for Kerry....
the pundits say that's a bad sign for Kerry, but it's also a bad sign for America isn't it?


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quote:
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i wouldn't be surprised if the numbers are way higher for bush. lots of folks have no land lines now and the pollsters don't have cell phone listings. IMO the group missing will favor bush...

most cell phones are in the hands of the YOUNG...
Kerry has a 65-35 advantage in the college age group..the question is will they show up to vote?


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Breath Glassman,breath,this is online cpr.Think of the family,calm.LOL I know what you're gonna say i am thinking of the family thats why i get so pissed off.We see things differently on some things thats ok (at least with me )LOL.I say we have done what we can and lets get this whole sordid election over.I to will support (oh man don't know if i can say it)Gulp gasp,umm,Mr.kerry ouch if umm(God Forbid he wins)as my cic.And i still hate all politicians.There like wifes,can't live withem,can't live withoutem,can't shootem.LOL Whatever happens GodBless Us All that we may unite.By the way thanks for the carpel tunnel syndrome,man you win just on stamina,what do you have a direct line to cnn reports,live news wire,and archives.LOL

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quote:
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most cell phones are in the hands of the YOUNG...
Kerry has a 65-35 advantage in the college age group..the question is will they show up to vote?

all not that young glass and repubs have been doing better with the ignorant of knowledge crew, but, now land lines are also home owners and 30 sumptins now....

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quote:
Originally posted by tigertony:
Breath Glassman,breath,this is online cpr.Think of the family,calm.LOL I know what you're gonna say i am thinking of the family thats why i get so pissed off.We see things differently on some things thats ok (at least with me )LOL.I say we have done what we can and lets get this whole sordid election over.I to will support (oh man don't know if i can say it)Gulp gasp,umm,Mr.kerry ouch if umm(God Forbid he wins)as my cic.And i still hate all politicians.There like wifes,can't live withem,can't live withoutem,can't shootem.LOL Whatever happens GodBless Us All that we may unite.By the way thanks for the carpel tunnel syndrome,man you win just on stamina,what do you have a direct line to cnn reports,live news wire,and archives.LOL

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DITTO....
i have been having fun here...

stepping on toes. i know...


you are right...what will be....
i have to hand it to his ad people, they are good....

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