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Posted by dog on :
 
Looking to start a thread mainly focused on DD when there is DD to be done. Hope to keep it clean and neat in order to assist those with little time, to get caught up to speed.
Discussion of SEC filings, legality, PR's and news will predominate.
Every effort to assist those with questions will be made as long as they are respectful.
If the thread is kept tight... newbies should be able to read it all and catch up. Links will be given to those interested in seeing it for themselves.
Personal discussions should be kept to a minimum and done thru PM's or another thread.
It's crunch time..... let's get to work.
 

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Posted by dog on :
 
So far I'm all alone here. PM me if you are looking to start discussion... most likely when we finally get news.

I'll return when there is action.

Take the weekend off.... nothings going on.
 

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Posted by dog on :
 
These links should be familiar to you before participating in the discussion here.

Please review and familiarize yourself with the info.


http://www.cvsu.us/

All PR's and news filings of the company can be found here.
Also of importance is the shareholder list on the bottom of the list to the right side. If your name is not listed here (first name first) and you hold shares of CSHD... please contact Mitch at the links on that page.


http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?company=furia&CIK=&filenum=&State=&SIC=& owner=include&action=getcompany

All of the SEC filings can be found on the Edgar system. The search should be conducted under "Furia", as that is the original company acquired in the reverse merger. Please familiarize yourself with these documents. They are essential to your understanding of the company.


http://www.gsccca.org/

http://www.gsccca.org/search/RealEstate/deedindex.asp


An absolutely essential site for those with higher risk. Pay the 5 bucks and search for Conversion Solutions under the real estate tab (They just filed it there- dunno why).
Many of the company financials, bond agreements, and employee contacts can be found there... notarized and documented some time ago before this process began. I can't stress how important it is for investors to check this out... pay the 5 bucks... it's more than worth it.

This is not a recommendation to buy, sell, or hold any stock. Do your own DD.

Start with these threads and educate yourself.

Looking forward to discussion once something happens with the company.

Please do not post animations, pictures, or extraneous commentary. It bogs down the thread.

Try to have something to say before you type and hit enter. Not every thought or comment should hit the thread. Keep it direct and clean please.

If we adhere to this.. it will be easier and more direct for those interested in catching up to find what they need.

Thanks.


And for those with additional interest in the shorting plague.
http://www.businessjive.com/nss/darkside.html
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
good job dog. That should pretty much give everyone the a very good starting point to read what's been going on.
 

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Posted by dog on :
 
Interesting HSM DD by klplatt81. Checking out possible political ties between Mr. Harris and the Republican party.

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Rufus probably lives in the GA 7th or 11th Congressional District based on deeds of record. The zip codes are split between the Districts so I can't tell for sure......following is the Congressional Reps for each district and the 2 State Senators. I just put this info together so haven't spent any time yet looking at their committees or connections. Note also that ConCarne continues to mention the Ga 6th district......these representatives should also be looked at as they seem to pack a pretty good political punch (Tom Price-R, Congress; Johnny Isakson-R, Senate; Newt Gingrich-R, former Speaker of the House).


Ga 7th District John Linder, Republican
Committees:
House Ways and Means
Subcommittee on Oversight
Subcommittee on Select Revenue Measures
Committee on Homeland Security
Source: http://linder.house.gov/index.cfm?Fu...ues.Committees

Voting record on issues:
http://www.ontheissues.org/GA/John_Linder.htm


Ga 11th District Phil Gingrey, Republican
Committees:
House Rules Committee
Has served on:
House Armed Services Committee
Committee on Education and the Workforce
Science Committee
Source: http://gingrey.house.gov/Biography/

Voting record on issues:
http://www.ontheissues.org/GA/Phil_Gingrey.htm


Ga Senator Johnny Isakson, Republican
Committees:
Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions
Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works
Senate Committee on Veteran’s Affairs
Senate Committee on Small Businesses and Entrepreneurship
Source: http://isakson.senate.gov/legislation.html

Voting record on issues:
http://www.ontheissues.org/GA/Johnny_Isakson.htm


Ga Senator Saxby Chambliss, Republican
Committees:
Senate Committee on Agriculture, Nutrition and Forestry (Chairman)
Senate Armed Services Committee
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
Senate Committee on Rules and Administration
Source: http://chambliss.senate.gov/public/i...TOKEN=19542981

Voting record on issues:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Saxby_Chambliss.htm
 

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Posted by 66inxs on :
 
any auditors out there? what is the signifigance of the following paragraph from the 10/19 filing:

We conducted our audit in accordance with the auditing standards of the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board (United States). Those standards require that we plan and perform the audit to obtain reasonable assurance about whether the financial statements are free of material misstatement. We were not engaged to perform an audit of internal control over financial reporting. Our audits include consideration of internal control over financial reporting as a basis for designing audit procedures that are appropriate in the circumstances, but not for the purpose of expressing an opinion on the effectiveness of the Company's internal control over financial reporting. Accordingly, we express no such opinion.

why do they express no such opinion?
 

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Posted by 66inxs on :
 
i guess what i am really trying to ask is what "they were not hired to perform an audit of internal control over financial reporting" means to the audits results and what not doing that could do to the accuracy of the financials.
 

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Posted by dog on :
 
"Our audits include consideration of internal control over financial reporting as a basis for designing audit procedures that are appropriate in the circumstances, but not for the purpose of expressing an opinion on the effectiveness of the Company's internal control over financial reporting. Accordingly, we express no such opinion."

I'll run this by my accountant on Monday. May be useful to see if this is a boiler plate statement found in other filings from other companies.

I take it as the auditor can only account for the material presented to them by the company and they are not in control of the material given to them. They have the ability to flag and suggest that an internal audit of financial reporting be done if they find questionable material to be missing or dubious. They do not have that opinion currently.

Likely a boiler plate response....

"This is what we were given... looks appropriate.... no opinion that the company doctored their financial reporting." They do not recommend blowing the whistle so that someone else should investigate the company.

Just my opinion.
 

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Posted by 66inxs on :
 
thanks dog. i believe the depth of the audit may become important to us shareholders. the less depth, the greater the chances for inaccuracies imho. i am anxious to see what your auditor says about this.

btw, kudos on starting a dd thread. great idea !
 

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Posted by 66inxs on :
 
also ask your auditor says about the sentence
"We were not engaged to perform an audit of internal control over financial reporting. " and how this might possible skew the results of an audit. thanx.
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Link to first page of old thread, also gives links to older threads...just in case they're needed.
http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/ultimatebb.php/ubb/get_topic/f/2/ t/013061/p/1.html
 

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Posted by dog on :
 
It would skew it if the company cooked the books.

Enron looked good from the outside... cuz all the books were bad. The internal financial officers and accountants provided false info.

In the auditor's disclaimor he states that they are licensed to perform an audit based on the info provided. An accountant needs special training and licensing to become an audit professional. They also carry very high liability policies and protect themselves with many legal phrases. I know this because I had to find an auditor of my business.

Unfortunately, there's nothing you can do if all of the info is fictitious. But fortunately for us.. there is a paper trail on ownership of the bonds in the 10K, as well as a notarized statement on the Georgia business site at the beginning of the thread. If you haven't looked thru that paperwork.. I highly suggest it.

If they skewed the results of the audit... somebody is getting a nice orange jumpsuit. The auditor always makes this disclaimor in my experience.
 

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Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
FWIW...this guy...klplatt81 used to work for FHAL. He is a big shareholder (per klplatt81, he is the "5th shareholder") from the FHAL days. I have PM'd him a couple of times and he is very confident about what is happening with CSHD. Very nice family man. If you have questions, PM him and ask if you can post his response here.

Better yet...just invite him over here...

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Originally posted by dog:
Interesting HSM DD by klplatt81. Checking out possible political ties between Mr. Harris and the Republican party.

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Rufus probably lives in the GA 7th or 11th Congressional District based on deeds of record. The zip codes are split between the Districts so I can't tell for sure......following is the Congressional Reps for each district and the 2 State Senators. I just put this info together so haven't spent any time yet looking at their committees or connections. Note also that ConCarne continues to mention the Ga 6th district......these representatives should also be looked at as they seem to pack a pretty good political punch (Tom Price-R, Congress; Johnny Isakson-R, Senate; Newt Gingrich-R, former Speaker of the House).

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Saxby_Chambliss.htm

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Originally posted by 66inxs:
i looked up thomas benson and he has impeccable credentials fwiw. there were just some things in the financials i question and if they were just representations of mgt cosigned by an auditor then i have doubts about them. however, financials or not, what happens on the 30th is what will make or break us. only 9 more days till retirement (i hope!!!!!)

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Originally posted by 66inxs:
i believe this is an all or nothing play that depends on how rufus handles the issuance of the 6 extra shares on the 30th. if he is sloppy like he was with the 10k this could really go south and not recover. he had better dot the i's and cross the t's on this one.

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Posted by 66inxs on :
 
the auditor is not the person who files the 10k rufus and the company are. the auditors job ends when he provides the opinion. however it would be interesting to know who prepared the 10k for filing. rufus could have been let down by his attorney!
 

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Posted by Spooky on :
 
I hate to dirty up this beautiful new thread with a non-DD (ish) question, but they locked the other one so I'm not sure where else to post it.

I'd like some speculation on what will happen given the best case scenario that we are hoping for. For the sake of this conversation, lets say that the 30th comes around and the short squeeze happens, meaning (again for the sake of this argument) a closing price of $20 per share.

Now, all of my shares were purchased on the 4th and 6th of October. They are in an account with Scottrade. I have no way of knowing (yet) if what I have are real or air shares, I'd guess there is better than a 75% chance that they are air. I believe that Scottrade will be on the hook for providing me with real shares or something of equivilent value. So, my question to you folks is this...

In my situation, is it worth requesting the certs at this point (considering it is unlikely that I could recieve them before the 30th), or should I just look forward to joing whatever actions Rufus has planned to help me get propper compensation.

-Spooky
 

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Posted by betting babe on :
 
a few 10K highlights:


Setup of Company

The Company's plan of operations for the remainder of 2006 is to raise capital against its asset base and develop its’ role in the niche market for securities offerings using asset based funding techniques. This entails the development of the CSHD business model. CSHD intends to list its stock on the NASD. To this end, CSHD is in discussion with various market makers to engage in a firm underwriting using a syndicated market distribution approach. Moreover, CSHD intends to set up a captive insurance operation through its’ insurance liaison with Lloyds affiliations, who are members of the CSHD team. CSHD intends to write policies to cover its loans, when applicable and secure the proper re-insurance for underwritten loans through the London reinsurance markets and other applicable markets. CSHD has made arrangements to secure primary insurance against loan loss through the London insurance market and others and has several reinsures available for the underwriting of such insurance through its captive. CSHD is setting up to operate an ABS management company in manage its portfolio. CSHD intends to operate its business and apply for a company rating from Fitch rating service. As CSHD’s public target will have been a corporate entity for more than five (5) years with more than 3 years of operating history, it will qualify for submission to Fitch Rating Service for a company rating. Such a rating will be beneficial in Europe and the US.


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Current Event-Driven Threshold Price Reset


As a result of the Merger agreement between FrontHaul Group and CSHD [incorporated herein by this reference to 8-K/A [html][text] 500 KB [Amend] Current report, item 2.01 Acc-no: 0001297077-06-000068 (34 Act)] Item 2.6 Average Closing Price Adjustment which reads a follows;


In the event that the Actual Average Closing Price is less than $15.00, the Surviving Holdings Company shall deliver written notice to the Company no later than the second (2 nd ) Business Day preceding the Closing Date pursuant to which the Surviving Holdings Company shall elect, in its sole discretion, to: (a) maintain the Average Closing Price at a price equal to the Actual Average Closing Price; (b) set the Average Closing Price at $15.00 and pay the holders of Company Shares receiving shares of Buyer's Stock as Merger Consideration (after giving effect to the allocation procedures set forth in Section 2.4 ) an amount in cash equal to $15.00 minus the Actual Average Closing Price per share of Buyer's Stock to be received by such holders of Company Shares; or (c) set the Average Closing Price at $15.00 and pay no additional consideration to the holders of Company Shares receiving shares of Buyer's Stock as Merger Consideration (after giving effect to the allocation procedures set forth in Section 2.4 ).


The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 16, 2006, the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB.


The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006 (X) minus Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006) (15 / X - X).


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The Audited Financials notes to the financials of CSHD is incorporated herein by this reference to 8-K/A [html][text] 500 KB [Amend] Current report, item 2.01 Acc-no: 0001297077-06-000068 (34 Act).

On July 8, 2006, The FrontHaul Group, Inc., a Delaware corporation ("FHAL"), entered into an Agreement and Plan of Merger (the "Merger Agreement") with Conversion Solutions, Inc., a Delaware corporation ("CVSU"). The Operation of the Fronthaul Group, Inc. was discontinued and the reorganized corporation board of directors set a side $2,000,000 USD to cover any possible losses that may be incurred under the merger agreement.


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FHAL and the Company intend to file an S-4 registration statement/prospectus in connection with the proposed Merger for the registration of the Company shares pursuant to the Merger agreement. Completion of the Merger is subject to customary closing conditions, including, among other things, (i) absence of any order or injunction prohibiting the consummation of the Merger; (ii) the accuracy of the representations and warranties of the each party; and (iii) compliance of each party with its covenants.

GLOBAL FUNDING AGREEMENT #252455779-08122006-LBH


On August 18, 2006, subsequent to our audit period and not audited or reviewed as part of these financial statements, Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. entered into a Global Funding Agreement #252455779-08122006-LBH with the Humanitarian & Scientific World Foundation, LTD., a Georgia LTD Foundation.


The funding agreement brings a Four-Hundred and Fifty Million Euro ($579,149,833 USD converted) denominated Note on Lehman Brothers Holdings PLC with a 6 1/8% coupon to the Company's Assets. The MTN holds an S&P, Fitch, and Composite A+ rating with a Moody's A1 rating.


Effective August 22, 2006, Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. and the Humanitarian & Scientific World Foundation, LTD., a Georgia LTD Foundation increased the Deposit under Global Funding Agreement #252455779-08122006-LBH, with the addition of the following bonds; Republic of Finland $749,000,000 Million Euro with a 6% coupon.


Because these transactions (Global Funding Agreements) occurred subsequent to the audit period, they were not reviewed or audited but merely referenced to and disclosed in these footnotes.


~BB
 

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Posted by Spooky on :
 
[oops] tried to edit and instead I quoted.. sorry
 

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Posted by betting babe on :
 
you are right, i wasnt specific enough.
the auditor, the attorney... whomever.
i mean, does a CEO really read his own entire 10K and proofread/correct the professionals he hired to draft it?

i.dont.think.so.

and fyi, see my quote above from the 10KSB-A.
the date says IS THE 30TH OF OCTOBER.

and we dont need to argue what the definition of is, is. Do we Bill?

~BB

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Originally posted by 66inxs:
the auditor is not the person who files the 10k rufus and the company are. the auditors job ends when he provides the opinion. however it would be interesting to know who prepared the 10k for filing. rufus could have been let down by his attorney!

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Originally posted by betting babe:
now im not entirely up on what went wrong, BUT
was it not the auditor who made a mistake by not including his statment in the amended 10KSB-A?

was it a mistake rufus made, or a mistake someone else made that rufus simply didnt catch?

big difference in the realm of who is being sloppy.

~BB

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Originally posted by 66inxs:
i believe this is an all or nothing play that depends on how rufus handles the issuance of the 6 extra shares on the 30th. if he is sloppy like he was with the 10k this could really go south and not recover. he had better dot the i's and cross the t's on this one.

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Originally posted by 66inxs:
bb you have a valid point but this incident just proves how you have to be vigilant and watch out for others mistakes before signing and filing stuff. he had a duty to know imho, but hindsight is 100% as we well know. next time, i bet he checks !

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Originally posted by bilgert:
Here's a question I would like to ask- should the 10-K have included/broken out FHAL's debt. Maybe I missed it, but didn't see it specifically spelled out when reviewing the 10-K. In an earlier interview with Rufus on Paltalk, I believe- he mentioned that FHAL had a significant, but not unmanagable debt.

I don't know if this is a big deal or if it will be a future concern for a potential move up into the BIG BOARD, but wanted to throw this out there for discussion.

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Originally posted by bilgert:
Here's a question I would like to ask- should the 10-K have included/broken out FHAL's debt. Maybe I missed it, but didn't see it specifically spelled out when reviewing the 10-K. In an earlier interview with Rufus on Paltalk, I believe- he mentioned that FHAL had a significant, but not unmanagable debt.

I don't know if this is a big deal or if it will be a future concern for a potential move up into the BIG BOARD, but wanted to throw this out there for discussion.

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Originally posted by wallymac:
from the 10K:

On July 8, 2006, subsequent to our audit period and thus not included in the Company's financial statements, the Company, entered into an Agreement and Plan of Merger (the "Merger Agreement") with the FrontHaul Group, Inc., (FHAL). The Merger Agreement stipulates that, subject to the terms and conditions of the Merger Agreement, Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. will be merged with and into FHAL, with the Company continuing after the merger as the surviving corporation. The Merger was fully completed on September 13, 2006 and FHAL will be reflected as a Discontinued Operations in the Company's financial statements in the next quarterly report.

GLTA
Wally

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Originally posted by wallymac:
Here are the Google links on how bonds are Hypthocated.


http://www.google.com/search?q=hypothecating+bonds&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&cli ent=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

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Originally posted by portman:
FHAL was not under a lot of SOX requirements for most of its life. CSHD due to the very nature of it's financial involvement will have heavy SOX related activities and therefore will have SOX internal controls in the near future. The auditors will have that work to do in the future whereas they did not require it in the past.

The 10Q will fill out most of this story.

Also...the other day I said to "wait for it".

I was not waiting for the "Rufus Letter"...I am still waiting for it and I do not think whatever I am waiting for will come on my time line...Rufus will deliver at a time of his choosing.

As I have said many times...the pieces are all set. They only have to be moved. The "squeeze" has not yet been triggered no matter what anyone thinks or says. There is only one more switch I can see that needs flipped.

This is an all or nothing play...either Rufus can pull it off or he can't. Hence I have said MANY times for everyone to mitigate risk here.

Think to yourself...What is the Cobra...What is Rufus?

This will be one hell of a movie!

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Bilgert - yesterday in different words you said you were concerned that Rufus had not filed anything with the State of Delaware regarding the share issuance. I thought all he had to do was notify Nasdaq about it. Your statement confused me. I was searching all last night for what the requirments are for giving shares as part of a merger & found nothing about filing anything except with SEC & Nasdaq.

Do you know for sure if he was supposed to file that with anyone else?

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We need to be prepared for this because, IMO, the Authorized Shares structure will have to be increased to between 800M and 1B shares. Believe me when I say that much will be made of this. Those critical of the company and intent on bashing it will use it as the sign of massive dilution. We need to discuss it as well as be prepared for it.

GLTA
Wally

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Originally posted by portman:
I will caution everyone here...There was no promise of anything by 10/30. The document clearly states "...on or about..." 10/30.

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"The Threshold Price Reset means that for every share you owned as of the close of business today you will receive 6 additional share (no fractions will be issued and will be rounded down to the nearest whole) of CSHD on or around October 30, 2006. This transaction will take the total issued share number to 618,813,942 giving the corporation an estimated book value of $11.78," stated Rufus Paul Harris, Chief Executive Officer.

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The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 16, 2006, the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB.

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We need to be prepared for this because, IMO, the Authorized Shares structure will have to be increased to between 800M and 1B shares. Believe me when I say that much will be made of this. Those critical of the company and intent on bashing it will use it as the sign of massive dilution. We need to discuss it as well as be prepared for it.

GLTA
Wally

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Wally, in view of the fact that all current shareholders will be given 6 for 1, I would say we are not being diluted, correct? But it will appear that we are to the untrained eye I assume. From our point of view, it seems more like an FS, even though technically it is not. Am I on the right track?
TIA,

masta

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We need to be prepared for this because, IMO, the Authorized Shares structure will have to be increased to between 800M and 1B shares. Believe me when I say that much will be made of this. Those critical of the company and intent on bashing it will use it as the sign of massive dilution. We need to discuss it as well as be prepared for it.

GLTA
Wally

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Wally, in view of the fact that all current shareholders will be given 6 for 1, I would say we are not being diluted, correct? But it will appear that we are to the untrained eye I assume. From our point of view, it seems more like an FS, even though technically it is not. Am I on the right track?
TIA,

masta

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Posted by wallymac on :
 
There is also another area we should explore. I believe that Rufus has mentioned this in the past.

wallymac
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quote:Originally posted by dog:
My concern is that the "E", from the auditor's opinion not being on the 10-k will hurt a possible NASDAQ move.

I agree. Maybe not in the long run but in the short term. I could be wrong but I remember something about also filing an Form S-3. One of the qualifications is that all of your previous filings have been compliant. Here's the S-3 form.

http://www.sec.gov/divisions/corpfin/forms/s-3.htm

GLTA
Wally
 

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Originally posted by 10of13:
Wally this is "dilution", However in most cases when a company is diluting it is the company that is selling shares into the open market to obtain the funds...In this case the company is "giving" the shares to the share holders, the company is getting nothing from this...actually giving more control to the shareholders as to what the PPS does...sell it goes down...hold it goes up.
When one thinks of dilution...they think of a company throwing more shares out there and bringing the PPS down because the company has not increased its assets where this one is actually "giving" free shares AND more assets...so yes...dilution but of a different kind...for share holders sake..not company sake...IMO

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Originally posted by 10of13:
Wally this is "dilution", However in most cases when a company is diluting it is the company that is selling shares into the open market to obtain the funds...In this case the company is "giving" the shares to the share holders, the company is getting nothing from this.
When one thinks of dilution...they think of a company throwing more shares out there and bringing the PPS down because the company has not increased its assets where this one is actually "giving" free shares AND more assets...so yes...dilution but of a different kind...for share holders sake..not company sake...IMO

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Originally posted by 10of13:
Wally this is "dilution", However in most cases when a company is diluting it is the company that is selling shares into the open market to obtain the funds...In this case the company is "giving" the shares to the share holders, the company is getting nothing from this...actually giving more control to the shareholders as to what the PPS does...sell it goes down...hold it goes up.
When one thinks of dilution...they think of a company throwing more shares out there and bringing the PPS down because the company has not increased its assets where this one is actually "giving" free shares AND more assets...so yes...dilution but of a different kind...for share holders sake..not company sake...IMO

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Originally posted by 66inxs:
wally this is what glassman was talking about last night. how can we show by example that rufus can pull this off?

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Originally posted by 10of13:
Wally this is "dilution", However in most cases when a company is diluting it is the company that is selling shares into the open market to obtain the funds...In this case the company is "giving" the shares to the share holders, the company is getting nothing from this...actually giving more control to the shareholders as to what the PPS does...sell it goes down...hold it goes up.
When one thinks of dilution...they think of a company throwing more shares out there and bringing the PPS down because the company has not increased its assets where this one is actually "giving" free shares AND more assets...so yes...dilution but of a different kind...for share holders sake..not company sake...IMO

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I both agree and disagree.

For the term "dilution" to ever be used we have to thin the valuation of the stock. Naked Short Selling is clear dilution. However, increasing the number of shares while increasing the base valuation of each share cannot be dilution. Each shareholder will not only own more shares but each share is worth more.

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Originally posted by 10of13:
Wally this is "dilution", However in most cases when a company is diluting it is the company that is selling shares into the open market to obtain the funds...In this case the company is "giving" the shares to the share holders, the company is getting nothing from this...actually giving more control to the shareholders as to what the PPS does...sell it goes down...hold it goes up.
When one thinks of dilution...they think of a company throwing more shares out there and bringing the PPS down because the company has not increased its assets where this one is actually "giving" free shares AND more assets...so yes...dilution but of a different kind...for share holders sake..not company sake...IMO

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I both agree and disagree.

For the term "dilution" to ever be used we have to thin the valuation of the stock. Naked Short Selling is clear dilution. However, increasing the number of shares while increasing the base valuation of each share cannot be dilution. Each shareholder will not only own more shares but each share is worth more.

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I do agree with you Portman, as we've had this discussion in the past. The kicker however is that the Book Value will be higher, not neccessarily the Price Per Share, unless the market agrees. I feel the key here is whether Rufus can actually issue the shares without the (market meaning NASD, OTCBB and the MM's) adjusting the Price Per Share lower to reflect the new shares. Book Value is great but as we can see now stocks don't always reflect the Book Value. I mean the current Book Value according to the 10K is over $7 a share and we are having trouble maintaining $2. It's all about perception.

Those of us who have been on the rollercoaster for months understand the concept. Those who recently entered or are looking to may not.

GLTA
Wally

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Originally posted by 66inxs:
are the mm's able to trade iou's for shares back and forth to cover their short positions within the 3 day limit? that way they would just owe each other the difference in the share prices when they trade and even it out among themselves later. just an idea, i could be way off base on this, opinions, anyone ?

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They are passing air back an forth...sometimes it is old and stale and some have speculated it is band new crisp autumn air. Regardless, air for air does not reduce the short position.
 

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How many times do you select few have to start a new thread ? Everytime Rufus takes a sh__ ?
 

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Posted by 66inxs on :
 
i agree with that but it buys them 3 more days to play the game, etc. etc. etc.
 

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Posted by 6digits on :
 
Babe, great post. You must be well rested to have dug up all that.!

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Originally posted by betting babe:
10ksb subpenny summary 10.16 (compiled from the board members not my personal transcription)


CONVERSATION WITH RUFUS:

"Everything’s been a strategic move for the shareholders"

"Getting several hundred million in interest!"

They have 15 Billion total that can be booked which is available right now. It's not an overnight deal. we have been working on this for a long time.

Rufus said Right- NOT DILUTION!!!


"The Big Show is always the plan" referring to Nasdaq

"PPS should increase" "The shares you have right now have 6 more attached if you dump your share you're dumping everything that goes with it"


RUFUS:

A share issuance due to a reorganization through a merger. These are not dividend shares or forward splits. It's been filed since the original 8K merger agreement.


These shares will NOT be restricted If you sold today your out of luck, if you bought today you get the 6, no settlement waiting or anything

"Go away for 2 weeks, play soccer, go fishin' do whatever, in 2 weeks your new shares will be there."


"Everything’s starting from here I said after the 10K the ball starts rolling, now it's all down here from here."


The reset was posted in the filings from the original 8K to the 8KA. It's not a forward split per say, it's an issuance of shares due to a reset based on the reorganization merger.

That's what I've gleaned from RUFUS. He just mentioned PIPE resets. Not normal here on the OTCBB but normal on bigger stocks.


Q: Was it part of the plan all along?

A: This was all laid out... This way he doesn't need approval, knew he was going to do it this was from the beginning


"It's still $15 / share if you can't do the math I can't help you, it's so simple it's stupid!"

"We met the Qualifications for Nasdaq Tues of Last week!!!!!"

Said that CSHD has met the requirements for up listing since last Tuesday- and to watch for news.

"Go read documents very carefully.........JV's do not receive any funds until we file S3's"

Q: If the PPS is below $11 on the 30th will you reset to $11?

A: No, you've all received your shares... we're giving you the money.....it's for your benefit, it's for your liquidity, not ours"


Rufus said he still has some ACES up his sleeve!

Q: If the PPS stays at around $2 / share in January, then what?

A; "Impossible, there’s a few more steps in the ladder, if it does that I'll be one surprised puppy.

Q: Why wait 'til the 30th?

A: Because I have to let Nasdaq know.

Q: Do they have to approve it?

A: What do they have to approve. I don't have to ask them. I just have to notify them. The only thing they regulate is the time frame - 1o days"

Q: Do you believe it can go to $100?


A: Yes

Q: When?

A: in a few weeks!!

It's up to the shareholder...starve the beast....if you don't flip it hold it, name your price...if you starve the beast..he will go away.......if no one sold for 2 weeks there's no telling where the PPS can go!!!!


Rufus just said that everyone is getting confused because they are thinking of this as a dividend or Forward split and it is neither.
It is part of a reorganization merger and the shares were given in consideration of the Price reset. Cash dividends are in the future of the company. It a share issuance not a dividend or split.

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Originally posted by betting babe:
you are right, i wasnt specific enough.
the auditor, the attorney... whomever.
i mean, does a CEO really read his own entire 10K and proofread/correct the professionals he hired to draft it?

i.dont.think.so.

and fyi, see my quote above from the 10KSB-A.
the date says IS THE 30TH OF OCTOBER.

and we dont need to argue what the definition of is, is. Do we Bill?

~BB

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Originally posted by 66inxs:
the auditor is not the person who files the 10k rufus and the company are. the auditors job ends when he provides the opinion. however it would be interesting to know who prepared the 10k for filing. rufus could have been let down by his attorney!

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Cool...Wally is back...thanks man. BB, Dog, Crab (and I'm only through the first page), GREAT JOB of reposting links and Interviews to old DD.

Babe, since the Enron deal, all CEO's are supposed to read and sign off on all 10-K's and 10-Q's. New rule put in by Bush. Rufus (like Bush) seems like the kind of guy that would do his homework before he hires someone and then...he trusts them completely. As we have learned with Bush, this can be a bad thing.

Bet that won't happen again...
 

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Originally posted by wallymac:
Portman,

Interesting and very real possibility.

As far as the MM's passing air shares, from the looks of the recent volume I'd say that is drying up quickly. Technically they cannot short the stock until they are off the SHO threshold report. As I said Technically. So it doesn't mean that they have stopped but I'm sure that it has slowed considerably.

GLTA
Wally

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Bilgert - yesterday in different words you said you were concerned that Rufus had not filed anything with the State of Delaware regarding the share issuance. I thought all he had to do was notify Nasdaq about it. Your statement confused me. I was searching all last night for what the requirments are for giving shares as part of a merger & found nothing about filing anything except with SEC & Nasdaq.

Do you know for sure if he was supposed to file that with anyone else?

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Originally posted by tyleemary:
How many times do you select few have to start a new thread ? Everytime Rufus takes a sh__ ?

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Originally posted by tyleemary:
How many times do you select few have to start a new thread ? Everytime Rufus takes a sh__ ?

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Originally posted by wallymac:
There is also another area we should explore. I believe that Rufus has mentioned this in the past.

wallymac
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quote:Originally posted by dog:
My concern is that the "E", from the auditor's opinion not being on the 10-k will hurt a possible NASDAQ move.

I agree. Maybe not in the long run but in the short term. I could be wrong but I remember something about also filing an Form S-3. One of the qualifications is that all of your previous filings have been compliant. Here's the S-3 form.

http://www.sec.gov/divisions/corpfin/forms/s-3.htm

GLTA
Wally

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Wally...FWIW, Sabra told me it would not affect the move in any way. Maybe Rufus was right...they have already been accepted.

Still scratching my head over this one though.
 

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Originally posted by 10of13:

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Originally posted by 10of13:
Wally this is "dilution", However in most cases when a company is diluting it is the company that is selling shares into the open market to obtain the funds...In this case the company is "giving" the shares to the share holders, the company is getting nothing from this...actually giving more control to the shareholders as to what the PPS does...sell it goes down...hold it goes up.
When one thinks of dilution...they think of a company throwing more shares out there and bringing the PPS down because the company has not increased its assets where this one is actually "giving" free shares AND more assets...so yes...dilution but of a different kind...for share holders sake..not company sake...IMO

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I both agree and disagree.

For the term "dilution" to ever be used we have to thin the valuation of the stock. Naked Short Selling is clear dilution. However, increasing the number of shares while increasing the base valuation of each share cannot be dilution. Each shareholder will not only own more shares but each share is worth more.

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Originally posted by wallymac:

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For the term "dilution" to ever be used we have to thin the valuation of the stock. Naked Short Selling is clear dilution. However, increasing the number of shares while increasing the base valuation of each share cannot be dilution. Each shareholder will not only own more shares but each share is worth more.

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I do agree with you Portman, as we've had this discussion in the past. The kicker however is that the Book Value will be higher, not neccessarily the Price Per Share, unless the market agrees. I feel the key here is whether Rufus can actually issue the shares without the (market meaning NASD, OTCBB and the MM's) adjusting the Price Per Share lower to reflect the new shares. Book Value is great but as we can see now stocks don't always reflect the Book Value. I mean the current Book Value according to the 10K is over $7 a share and we are having trouble maintaining $2. It's all about perception.

Those of us who have been on the rollercoaster for months understand the concept. Those who recently entered or are looking to may not.

GLTA
Wally [/QB]

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Originally posted by bilgert:
Hope I wasn't too confusing and that everybody answered your question. He needs to file through the state he incorporated in (Delaware). Any change in the a/s, issuing of dividends, splits must be performed through the Secretary of State's office. The question I was hinting at was why hasn't he done it already?

He hasn't filed now because it would cripple CSHD's PPS. According to Rufus- he believes CSHD to be an undervalued stock at the current PPS- but still the market doesn't appear to believe him, otherwise they'd be snapping it up at this price.

To add a filing calling for an addition of shares(through whatever mechanism hedeems fit) would place even more doubt in the head of new investors and send the PPS spiraling even lower.

IMO opinion he's delaying the filing as late as possible so that 1) So he can release a barrage of PR's that will hopefully light a fire under the PPS 2) Force shorts to cover in the frenzy. I'm not sure if it'll work; I guess it'll all play out once he starts putting the wheels in motion.

Of course I could be completely wrong and he could surprise everybody again. Such is the saga of CSHD. Whatever Rufie boy does, I hope it works.

Sorry for being confusing.

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Bilgert - yesterday in different words you said you were concerned that Rufus had not filed anything with the State of Delaware regarding the share issuance. I thought all he had to do was notify Nasdaq about it. Your statement confused me. I was searching all last night for what the requirments are for giving shares as part of a merger & found nothing about filing anything except with SEC & Nasdaq.

Do you know for sure if he was supposed to file that with anyone else?

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Originally posted by wallymac:

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For the term "dilution" to ever be used we have to thin the valuation of the stock. Naked Short Selling is clear dilution. However, increasing the number of shares while increasing the base valuation of each share cannot be dilution. Each shareholder will not only own more shares but each share is worth more.

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I do agree with you Portman, as we've had this discussion in the past. The kicker however is that the Book Value will be higher, not neccessarily the Price Per Share, unless the market agrees. I feel the key here is whether Rufus can actually issue the shares without the (market meaning NASD, OTCBB and the MM's) adjusting the Price Per Share lower to reflect the new shares. Book Value is great but as we can see now stocks don't always reflect the Book Value. I mean the current Book Value according to the 10K is over $7 a share and we are having trouble maintaining $2. It's all about perception.

Those of us who have been on the rollercoaster for months understand the concept. Those who recently entered or are looking to may not.

GLTA
Wally

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Great post Wally...this is the only REAL question remaining as far as I'm concerned. Not sure how Rufus will pull this part of it off. I'm hoping the "bomb" and the "one fell swoop" will take care of that. [/QB]

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Originally posted by wallymac:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Bilgert - yesterday in different words you said you were concerned that Rufus had not filed anything with the State of Delaware regarding the share issuance. I thought all he had to do was notify Nasdaq about it. Your statement confused me. I was searching all last night for what the requirments are for giving shares as part of a merger & found nothing about filing anything except with SEC & Nasdaq.

Do you know for sure if he was supposed to file that with anyone else?

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In order for a company to change the Authorized Shares structure they need to file an amendment to the articles of incorporation with the Secretary of State in the state that they are incorporated. Which in this case is Delaware. That step will be neccessary prior to them being able to issue us additional shares(the 6-1 threshold price reset shares).

On another related note, when the board of directors took action to remove Thomas Mensah from AISS, they stated that individuals: From the PR and 10K
KENNESAW, Ga., September 21, 2006-- Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp (OTC BB: CSHD), a Delaware Corporation announces the following current events have taken place.

"CSHD would like to announce that during an Emergency Board meeting called for the Joint Venture Corporation of American International Smart Structure it was voted and resolved to remove Dr. Thomas Mensah as President and CEO of AISS and to offer a share swap transaction to all Georgia Aerospace shareholders.

Notice: To all Georgia Aerospace shareholders please contact Mitchell Sepaniak at 770-420-8270 Extension 2382 to arrange a share swap transaction for CSHD."

We need to be prepared for this because, IMO, the Authorized Shares structure will have to be increased to between 800M and 1B shares. Believe me when I say that much will be made of this. Those critical of the company and intent on bashing it will use it as the sign of massive dilution. We need to discuss it as well as be prepared for it.

GLTA
Wally

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Originally posted by atthebank:
bilgert, read back thru the threads and you will find the answer to that one!

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Originally posted by bilgert:

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Originally posted by atthebank:
bilgert, read back thru the threads and you will find the answer to that one!

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Show me, please.

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You want me to look thru all those posts for you, sorry, been there done that! WE wen't thru this 6 weeks ago! Look back and you will see, do your DD
 

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Posted by Jenna on :
 
I truely feel like we've done all we could-

I'm bored! So , I think I'll take Rufus' advice......

"Go away for 2 weeks, play soccer, go fishin' do whatever, in 2 weeks your new shares will be there."

Good Night All

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Champagne Wishes

&

Caviar Dreams

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"Go away for 2 weeks, play soccer, go fishin' do whatever, in 2 weeks your new shares will be there."
 

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Posted by wallymac on :
 
I just want to take a quick minute to clear the air and let people know where I was comming from with my last post on the other thread. I just want to get it out and behind us. Okay?

First off, I wasn't mad or upset at anyone. I think blowing off some steam is good, as long as it doesn't get overdone. I had been under the impression that the late evenings and weekends were appropriate. Even so it was the calls I began receiving from Friends and relatives who had either invested or were looking to invest that completely frustrated me. I had pointed them to our board because of it's excellence. That day during market hours with the PPS in flux some of the newer investor, who aren't neccessarily as comfortable with the events that have transpired, were worried. Comming to the board looking for info and finding very little they became nervous. I attempted a few times by posting questions etc to get us back to the stock. Some were attempting to respond and give some info but with the pictures it made it hard to find. By the way 10, I do enjoy the picture thread just don't have any of my own to share, still in the dark ages when it comes to digital cameras.

I thought of other investors who had recently purchased or might be looking to purchase and the alternative of them going to IHUB and reading the bashfest or HSM and if not getting blown off completely then being accused of being a basher and pounded. Not good thoughts to invision since our position in the stock is now PPS sensitive.

If I offended anyone. I apologize. But I do feel it is neccessary to have a place to go and ask questions, get answers and have great discussion like we are now. Thanks Dog for starting a new board. Thanks St. Matt for your DD and comming up with the idea of a DD board, even though I believe 10 originally tried to start one that kind of fizzled, I wish it hadn't.

I hope everybody comes and contributes. This is a critical week for us all.

I'm addicted to Allstocks, CSDH and the fine people I have come to know on this board.

GLTA
Wally
 

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I got no panties on.
 

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Posted by thedoctor on :
 

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Originally posted by atthebank:
Watch the pps next week, up, up and away!!!

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Originally posted by wallymac:
Portman,

Interesting and very real possibility.

As far as the MM's passing air shares, from the looks of the recent volume I'd say that is drying up quickly. Technically they cannot short the stock until they are off the SHO threshold report. As I said Technically. So it doesn't mean that they have stopped but I'm sure that it has slowed considerably.

GLTA
Wally

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The less shareholders trade the more apparent what they are really doing is. Take away the cover and there they are in all their glory.

Does anyone get it yet?

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Originally posted by atthebank:
Watch the pps next week, up, up and away!!!

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It's nice to see your positive attitude here tonite.....

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Originally posted by rburnout:
Amazing that you guys are still talking about this coming share issuance...which cannot happen in the expected time frame, for two reasons......No A/S change notification has occurred, and it must, as has been posted before, referencing the SEC rules. Look it up.

And, SEC Rule 10b-17 DOES apply, with no 10 day notice given, as this share issuance is NOT exempted from that rule.

Regardless, you all can say it isn't dilution or a forward split, but the market will determine the share price, The notice that Rufus has given is irrlevant as to share value....same as has been the case all along.

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Originally posted by rburnout:
Amazing that you guys are still talking about this coming share issuance...which cannot happen in the expected time frame, for two reasons......No A/S change notification has occurred, and it must, as has been posted before, referencing the SEC rules. Look it up.

And, SEC Rule 10b-17 DOES apply, with no 10 day notice given, as this share issuance is NOT exempted from that rule.

Regardless, you all can say it isn't dilution or a forward split, but the market will determine the share price, The notice that Rufus has given is irrlevant as to share value....same as has been the case all along.

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Originally posted by rburnout:
Amazing that you guys are still talking about this coming share issuance...which cannot happen in the expected time frame, for two reasons......No A/S change notification has occurred, and it must, as has been posted before, referencing the SEC rules. Look it up.

And, SEC Rule 10b-17 DOES apply, with no 10 day notice given, as this share issuance is NOT exempted from that rule.

Regardless, you all can say it isn't dilution or a forward split, but the market will determine the share price, The notice that Rufus has given is irrlevant as to share value....same as has been the case all along.

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Originally posted by rburnout:
Amazing that you guys are still talking about this coming share issuance...which cannot happen in the expected time frame, for two reasons......No A/S change notification has occurred, and it must, as has been posted before, referencing the SEC rules. Look it up.

And, SEC Rule 10b-17 DOES apply, with no 10 day notice given, as this share issuance is NOT exempted from that rule.

Regardless, you all can say it isn't dilution or a forward split, but the market will determine the share price, The notice that Rufus has given is irrlevant as to share value....same as has been the case all along.

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If you don't think it can happen, why are you here ? Sell your stock and go on to a better choice that I am sure you can find. You have been saying this for two days now. Just go and find another. I wish you the very best of luck.

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Did someone here call for the wambulance ?

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Originally posted by rburnout:
Amazing that you guys are still talking about this coming share issuance...which cannot happen in the expected time frame, for two reasons......No A/S change notification has occurred, and it must, as has been posted before, referencing the SEC rules. Look it up.

And, SEC Rule 10b-17 DOES apply, with no 10 day notice given, as this share issuance is NOT exempted from that rule.

Regardless, you all can say it isn't dilution or a forward split, but the market will determine the share price, The notice that Rufus has given is irrlevant as to share value....same as has been the case all along.

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I find more of where they can do it..than where they can't...

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Seems no one has conclusively shown that it isn't applicable.
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Conclusively shown it? No..can you conclusively show that they can't?

http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/fetchFilingFrameset.aspx?dcn=0001297077-06-0 00068&Type=HTML

2.3 Merger consideration
(c) In the event the Buyer changes the number of shares of the Buyer's Stock issued and outstanding prior to the Effective Time as a result of a stock split, stock dividend or other distribution payable in Buyer's Stock or securities convertible into Buyer's Stock or similar recapitalization with respect to such stock or effects a reclassification, combination or other change with respect to Buyer's Stock (each a "Stock Adjustment" ) and the record date therefore (in the case of a stock dividend) or the effective date thereof (in the case of a stock split or similar recapitalization, reclassification or combination for which a record date is not established) shall be prior to the Effective Time.

5.3 Buyers stock

a) The authorized capital stock of the Buyer consists of 200,000,000 shares of common stock, $.001 par value per share, of which 62,157,721 shares are issued and outstanding as of the date of this Agreement, and except for such shares, there are no shares of capital stock of the Buyer outstanding. There are options see Exhibit D (" FHAL Financials" ). In addition, there are 10,000,000 shares of capital stock reserved under the Fronthaul Group Inc. Compensation Plan for Outside Direct

Doesn't this sentence here... The Surviving Holdings Company shall use its reasonable best efforts to obtain any regulatory approvals referred to in the first sentence of this Section 6.2(b)(i) prior to the Closing Date and the directors will be as follows

And the first sentence that they are tallking about is...
(a) Reservation of Shares of the Buyer's Stock . The Buyer shall reserve for issuance a sufficient number of shares of the Buyer's Stock to cover the issuances of such stock required hereby and shall file such forms as may be required to notify Over the Counter NASDAQ Bulletin Board of Buyer's intent to list on the NASDAQ National Market System the additional shares of Surviving Holdings Company stock to be issued as part of the Merger Consideration.

What I "get" out of those statements is that as far as the merger goes they can do what they decide to do with the share structure...

"reasonable best efforts" NOBO list? And it was incorrect in the begining...but they did try...couldn't get the info they needed and then made the decision to increase shares?

(d) Shareholder Approval . Subject to Section 6.1(c) , the Company shall, at the earliest practicable date following the effective date of the Registration Statement covering the Buyer's Stock to be issued in the Merger, (i) promptly and duly call, give notice of, convene and hold a meeting of its shareholders for the purpose of voting to approve this Agreement and the transactions contemplated hereby, including the Merger, (ii) take all reasonable action to solicit and obtain such approval

(a) Reservation of Shares of the Buyer's Stock . The Buyer shall reserve for issuance a sufficient number of shares of the Buyer's Stock to cover the issuances of such stock required hereby and shall file such forms as may be required to notify Over the Counter NASDAQ Bulletin Board of Buyer's intent to list on the NASDAQ National Market System the additional shares of Surviving Holdings Company stock to be issued as part of the Merger Consideration

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Originally posted by rburnout:
Amazing that you guys are still talking about this coming share issuance...which cannot happen in the expected time frame, for two reasons......No A/S change notification has occurred, and it must, as has been posted before, referencing the SEC rules. Look it up.

And, SEC Rule 10b-17 DOES apply, with no 10 day notice given, as this share issuance is NOT exempted from that rule.

Regardless, you all can say it isn't dilution or a forward split, but the market will determine the share price, The notice that Rufus has given is irrlevant as to share value....same as has been the case all along.

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I find more of where they can do it..than where they can't...

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Conclusively shown it? No..can you conclusively show that they can't?

http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/fetchFilingFrameset.aspx?dcn=0001297077-06-0 00068&Type=HTML

2.3 Merger consideration
(c) In the event the Buyer changes the number of shares of the Buyer's Stock issued and outstanding prior to the Effective Time as a result of a stock split, stock dividend or other distribution payable in Buyer's Stock or securities convertible into Buyer's Stock or similar recapitalization with respect to such stock or effects a reclassification, combination or other change with respect to Buyer's Stock (each a "Stock Adjustment" ) and the record date therefore (in the case of a stock dividend) or the effective date thereof (in the case of a stock split or similar recapitalization, reclassification or combination for which a record date is not established) shall be prior to the Effective Time.

5.3 Buyers stock

a) The authorized capital stock of the Buyer consists of 200,000,000 shares of common stock, $.001 par value per share, of which 62,157,721 shares are issued and outstanding as of the date of this Agreement, and except for such shares, there are no shares of capital stock of the Buyer outstanding. There are options see Exhibit D (" FHAL Financials" ). In addition, there are 10,000,000 shares of capital stock reserved under the Fronthaul Group Inc. Compensation Plan for Outside Direct

Doesn't this sentence here... The Surviving Holdings Company shall use its reasonable best efforts to obtain any regulatory approvals referred to in the first sentence of this Section 6.2(b)(i) prior to the Closing Date and the directors will be as follows

And the first sentence that they are tallking about is...
(a) Reservation of Shares of the Buyer's Stock . The Buyer shall reserve for issuance a sufficient number of shares of the Buyer's Stock to cover the issuances of such stock required hereby and shall file such forms as may be required to notify Over the Counter NASDAQ Bulletin Board of Buyer's intent to list on the NASDAQ National Market System the additional shares of Surviving Holdings Company stock to be issued as part of the Merger Consideration.

What I "get" out of those statements is that as far as the merger goes they can do what they decide to do with the share structure...

"reasonable best efforts" NOBO list? And it was incorrect in the begining...but they did try...couldn't get the info they needed and then made the decision to increase shares?

(d) Shareholder Approval . Subject to Section 6.1(c) , the Company shall, at the earliest practicable date following the effective date of the Registration Statement covering the Buyer's Stock to be issued in the Merger, (i) promptly and duly call, give notice of, convene and hold a meeting of its shareholders for the purpose of voting to approve this Agreement and the transactions contemplated hereby, including the Merger, (ii) take all reasonable action to solicit and obtain such approval

(a) Reservation of Shares of the Buyer's Stock . The Buyer shall reserve for issuance a sufficient number of shares of the Buyer's Stock to cover the issuances of such stock required hereby and shall file such forms as may be required to notify Over the Counter NASDAQ Bulletin Board of Buyer's intent to list on the NASDAQ National Market System the additional shares of Surviving Holdings Company stock to be issued as part of the Merger Consideration

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10 of Merged Thoughts,

playing catch-up? I see you could better help reader. ie, even I have a hard time following this post...not clear when you're quoting or speaking as yourself.

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Originally posted by wallymac:
rburnout: First you have yet to show anything in regard to DD. You pointed to Rule 10-17B and asked how well read a little further and the answer could be there. Since I don't work for NASD and am not privy to sensitive correspondance, I have no idea if this is part of the plan but it sure could be.

From Rule 10-17B Section b. number 2

The Commission, upon written request or upon its own motion, exempts the issuer from compliance with paragraph (b)(1) of this section either unconditionally or on specified terms or conditions, as not constituting a manipulative or deceptive device or contrivance comprehended within the purpose of this section; or

GLTA
Wally

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Originally posted by rburnout:
Well, I see you folks choose to quote Rufus, but are incapable of discussing the actual SEC rules. Rufus does not make the rules.

Also, this latest thread is entitled DD....well, folks, do some.

How about this one: show us why the FHAL financials were not included in the 10-k, when it is required that they be, as it is supposedly a merger document, among other things.

There's more questions that don't seem to be discussed here, though I must admit that you folks are not the airheads like most at HSM....

How about those carbon credits? apparantly Brazil wants no part of them, AND the entire world market was only about $450mm as recently as 2004, not $4 trillion as MA claims just for Ecowood.

The below is excerpted from a post elsewhere from an illustrious but banned poster:

"Currently, the world carbon credit market is a $450 million
marketplace, but it is expected to grow to a $23 billion one
by 2010."

- Mongabay dot com, April 2006

"The world carbon credit market registered deals worth $11.3
billion euros last year, up sharply from $452 million in 2004
according to Econergy, New York-based clean energy investment,
management and consulting group."

- Mongabay dot com, April 2006

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Preservation of Amazon rainforest does NOT qualify for carbon credits:

http://www.scidev.net/Opinions/index.cfm?fuseaction=readopinions&itemid=450&lang uage=1

Brazil objects to trading carbon credits for preservation of rainforests:

http://www.enn.com/today.html?id=11176

Rain Forest Coalition confirms NO carbon credits for rainforest preservation:

http://www.rainforestcoalition.org/eng/

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Originally posted by atthebank:

quote:

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Originally posted by rburnout:
Well, I see you folks choose to quote Rufus, but are incapable of discussing the actual SEC rules. Rufus does not make the rules.

Also, this latest thread is entitled DD....well, folks, do some.

How about this one: show us why the FHAL financials were not included in the 10-k, when it is required that they be, as it is supposedly a merger document, among other things.

There's more questions that don't seem to be discussed here, though I must admit that you folks are not the airheads like most at HSM....

How about those carbon credits? apparantly Brazil wants no part of them, AND the entire world market was only about $450mm as recently as 2004, not $4 trillion as MA claims just for Ecowood.

The below is excerpted from a post elsewhere from an illustrious but banned poster:

"Currently, the world carbon credit market is a $450 million
marketplace, but it is expected to grow to a $23 billion one
by 2010."

- Mongabay dot com, April 2006

"The world carbon credit market registered deals worth $11.3
billion euros last year, up sharply from $452 million in 2004
according to Econergy, New York-based clean energy investment,
management and consulting group."

- Mongabay dot com, April 2006

--

Preservation of Amazon rainforest does NOT qualify for carbon credits:

http://www.scidev.net/Opinions/index.cfm?fuseaction=readopinions&itemid=450&lang uage=1

Brazil objects to trading carbon credits for preservation of rainforests:

http://www.enn.com/today.html?id=11176

Rain Forest Coalition confirms NO carbon credits for rainforest preservation:

http://www.rainforestcoalition.org/eng/

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wow you r burnout, for reals huh? take your prozac like your doctor told you too!

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Originally posted by rburnout:
Well, I see you folks choose to quote Rufus, but are incapable of discussing the actual SEC rules. Rufus does not make the rules.

Also, this latest thread is entitled DD....well, folks, do some.

How about this one: show us why the FHAL financials were not included in the 10-k, when it is required that they be, as it is supposedly a merger document, among other things.

There's more questions that don't seem to be discussed here, though I must admit that you folks are not the airheads like most at HSM....

How about those carbon credits? apparantly Brazil wants no part of them, AND the entire world market was only about $450mm as recently as 2004, not $4 trillion as MA claims just for Ecowood.

The below is excerpted from a post elsewhere from an illustrious but banned poster:

"Currently, the world carbon credit market is a $450 million
marketplace, but it is expected to grow to a $23 billion one
by 2010."

- Mongabay dot com, April 2006

"The world carbon credit market registered deals worth $11.3
billion euros last year, up sharply from $452 million in 2004
according to Econergy, New York-based clean energy investment,
management and consulting group."

- Mongabay dot com, April 2006

--

Preservation of Amazon rainforest does NOT qualify for carbon credits:

http://www.scidev.net/Opinions/index.cfm?fuseaction=readopinions&itemid=450&lang uage=1

Brazil objects to trading carbon credits for preservation of rainforests:

http://www.enn.com/today.html?id=11176

Rain Forest Coalition confirms NO carbon credits for rainforest preservation:

http://www.rainforestcoalition.org/eng/

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Originally posted by wallymac:

quote:

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Originally posted by rburnout:
Well, I see you folks choose to quote Rufus, but are incapable of discussing the actual SEC rules. Rufus does not make the rules.

Also, this latest thread is entitled DD....well, folks, do some.

How about this one: show us why the FHAL financials were not included in the 10-k, when it is required that they be, as it is supposedly a merger document, among other things.

There's more questions that don't seem to be discussed here, though I must admit that you folks are not the airheads like most at HSM....

How about those carbon credits? apparantly Brazil wants no part of them, AND the entire world market was only about $450mm as recently as 2004, not $4 trillion as MA claims just for Ecowood.

The below is excerpted from a post elsewhere from an illustrious but banned poster:

"Currently, the world carbon credit market is a $450 million
marketplace, but it is expected to grow to a $23 billion one
by 2010."

- Mongabay dot com, April 2006

"The world carbon credit market registered deals worth $11.3
billion euros last year, up sharply from $452 million in 2004
according to Econergy, New York-based clean energy investment,
management and consulting group."

- Mongabay dot com, April 2006

--

Preservation of Amazon rainforest does NOT qualify for carbon credits:

http://www.scidev.net/Opinions/index.cfm?fuseaction=readopinions&itemid=450&lang uage=1

Brazil objects to trading carbon credits for preservation of rainforests:

http://www.enn.com/today.html?id=11176

Rain Forest Coalition confirms NO carbon credits for rainforest preservation:

http://www.rainforestcoalition.org/eng/

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Reason for FHAL financials not being in the 10K as I posted on page 2 of this thread. Also found with in the 10K

from the 10K:

On July 8, 2006, subsequent to our audit period and thus not included in the Company's financial statements, the Company, entered into an Agreement and Plan of Merger (the "Merger Agreement") with the FrontHaul Group, Inc., (FHAL). The Merger Agreement stipulates that, subject to the terms and conditions of the Merger Agreement, Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. will be merged with and into FHAL, with the Company continuing after the merger as the surviving corporation. (b)The Merger was fully completed on September 13, 2006 and FHAL will be reflected as a Discontinued Operations in the Company's financial statements in the next quarterly report.(/b)

on the question of the carbon credits I think you should be referring the question to ECO-Wood, the private company that Mike Alexander recetnly purschased a majority interest in and is Negotiating with CSDH to handle thier assets. At this point in time it has no realtionship to CSHD and therefore is not a point of reference when dealing with this stock.

Got game?

GLTA
Wally

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Originally posted by T e x:

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Originally posted by wallymac:
rburnout: First you have yet to show anything in regard to DD. You pointed to Rule 10-17B and asked how well read a little further and the answer could be there. Since I don't work for NASD and am not privy to sensitive correspondance, I have no idea if this is part of the plan but it sure could be.

From Rule 10-17B Section b. number 2

The Commission, upon written request or upon its own motion, exempts the issuer from compliance with paragraph (b)(1) of this section either unconditionally or on specified terms or conditions, as not constituting a manipulative or deceptive device or contrivance comprehended within the purpose of this section; or

GLTA
Wally

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sorry, wally, not up to date. Your excerpt doesn't clear it up for me...

I see an exemption, but unclear on first read what the exemption is based upon.

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Originally posted by cbbush:
This has been very interesting reading in the new thread, and it sounds like there are several other chat sites about the company and what has transpired.

I would assume there is a lot of interest and money at stake.

Assuming that we take a positive attitude w/o the negativity and truly believe in Rufus and that MMs are manipulating the PPS because they can, then let's form an alliance and manipulate the stock in a positive fashion for our benefit.

If we truly believe in this, then let's put more of our money where our mouths are. Sitting back and taking no action doesn't make sense.

"There are costs and risks associated with any plan of action, but the costs and risks of comfortable inaction far outweigh those of action," John F. Kennedy

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Originally posted by wallymac:

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Originally posted by T e x:

quote:

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Originally posted by wallymac:
rburnout: First you have yet to show anything in regard to DD. You pointed to Rule 10-17B and asked how well read a little further and the answer could be there. Since I don't work for NASD and am not privy to sensitive correspondance, I have no idea if this is part of the plan but it sure could be.

From Rule 10-17B Section b. number 2

The Commission, upon written request or upon its own motion, exempts the issuer from compliance with paragraph (b)(1) of this section either unconditionally or on specified terms or conditions, as not constituting a manipulative or deceptive device or contrivance comprehended within the purpose of this section; or

GLTA
Wally

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sorry, wally, not up to date. Your excerpt doesn't clear it up for me...

I see an exemption, but unclear on first read what the exemption is based upon.

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The whole section is dealing with Deceptive or manipulative practices. If the practice is found either by request or by the commission themselves to be non-manipulative or deceptive they can choose to allow it. I would have pasted the whole section but it was rather lengthy.

Here's the link once again.

http://www.otcbb.com/aboutOTCBB/secrules.stm

GLTA
Wally

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Originally posted by T e x:

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Originally posted by wallymac:

quote:

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Originally posted by T e x:

quote:

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Originally posted by wallymac:
rburnout: First you have yet to show anything in regard to DD. You pointed to Rule 10-17B and asked how well read a little further and the answer could be there. Since I don't work for NASD and am not privy to sensitive correspondance, I have no idea if this is part of the plan but it sure could be.

From Rule 10-17B Section b. number 2

The Commission, upon written request or upon its own motion, exempts the issuer from compliance with paragraph (b)(1) of this section either unconditionally or on specified terms or conditions, as not constituting a manipulative or deceptive device or contrivance comprehended within the purpose of this section; or

GLTA
Wally

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sorry, wally, not up to date. Your excerpt doesn't clear it up for me...

I see an exemption, but unclear on first read what the exemption is based upon.

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The whole section is dealing with Deceptive or manipulative practices. If the practice is found either by request or by the commission themselves to be non-manipulative or deceptive they can choose to allow it. I would have pasted the whole section but it was rather lengthy.

Here's the link once again.

http://www.otcbb.com/aboutOTCBB/secrules.stm

GLTA
Wally

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haven't read it, yet...

but, boy! must say...it's the never-ending story, eh?

and I *don't* mean this issue's drama, necessarily...I mean the "loopholes" and intricacies the the reg-agencies allow.


Lol? are we *really* asking the right questions?

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Originally posted by wallymac:
Portman,

Interesting and very real possibility.

As far as the MM's passing air shares, from the looks of the recent volume I'd say that is drying up quickly. Technically they cannot short the stock until they are off the SHO threshold report. As I said Technically. So it doesn't mean that they have stopped but I'm sure that it has slowed considerably.

GLTA
Wally

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Originally posted by cbbush:
Read my earlier post Tex. If the MMs can manipulate, why can't we. If this stock and its management is truly what we believe in, then let's put our money where our mouths are and manipulate the stock in our favor. I don't know how the MMs manipulate, but there seems to be a lot of people on this board that does. So let's come up with a plan of action. Let's do something other than sit back on our laurels.

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quote:

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Originally posted by cbbush:
Read my earlier post Tex. If the MMs can manipulate, why can't we. If this stock and its management is truly what we believe in, then let's put our money where our mouths are and manipulate the stock in our favor. I don't know how the MMs manipulate, but there seems to be a lot of people on this board that does. So let's come up with a plan of action. Let's do something other than sit back on our laurels.

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so basically, you don't know...right?

You're a fan of the stock, and willing to play..

nutting wrong widdat...lol--lottsa folks in your shoes...


 

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Posted by bilgert on :
 
If you believe it's worth $7 and will be $7 at some point and it's below $7, then buy it. That's how I would do it.

No, market manipulation is not always illegal, per se. Look at the link below:

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/market-manipulation-lawyers.html

But if you wanna do it, find somebody with a few million bucks. Don't do it through here. This is a board intended for DD and used to discuss and interpret the market, not group plays.

quote:

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Originally posted by cbbush:
Bilgert -- what do you mean "this might not be the place for me?" Because I want to take action, fight fire with fire, fight for my financial well-being? Is what the MMs are doing illegal or just unethical?

Okay, let's say that ethically it shouldn't be done. But why wouldn't all of us who have a financial stake in this company and believe in its leadership and believe it will be $7 or even much higher be buying and accumulating stock in between $1 and $3 which would create an uptick? The higher the price on COB 10/30 the better, right?

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quote:

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Originally posted by cbbush:
Read my earlier post Tex. If the MMs can manipulate, why can't we. If this stock and its management is truly what we believe in, then let's put our money where our mouths are and manipulate the stock in our favor. I don't know how the MMs manipulate, but there seems to be a lot of people on this board that does. So let's come up with a plan of action. Let's do something other than sit back on our laurels.

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Originally posted by 10of13:

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Originally posted by rburnout:
Amazing that you guys are still talking about this coming share issuance...which cannot happen in the expected time frame, for two reasons......No A/S change notification has occurred, and it must, as has been posted before, referencing the SEC rules. Look it up.

And, SEC Rule 10b-17 DOES apply, with no 10 day notice given, as this share issuance is NOT exempted from that rule.

Regardless, you all can say it isn't dilution or a forward split, but the market will determine the share price, The notice that Rufus has given is irrlevant as to share value....same as has been the case all along.

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I find more of where they can do it..than where they can't...

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Originally posted by rburnout:
Seems no one has conclusively shown that it isn't applicable.
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Conclusively shown it? No..can you conclusively show that they can't?

http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/fetchFilingFrameset.aspx?dcn=0001297077-06-0 00068&Type=HTML

2.3 Merger consideration
(c) In the event the Buyer changes the number of shares of the Buyer's Stock issued and outstanding prior to the Effective Time as a result of a stock split, stock dividend or other distribution payable in Buyer's Stock or securities convertible into Buyer's Stock or similar recapitalization with respect to such stock or effects a reclassification, combination or other change with respect to Buyer's Stock (each a "Stock Adjustment" ) and the record date therefore (in the case of a stock dividend) or the effective date thereof (in the case of a stock split or similar recapitalization, reclassification or combination for which a record date is not established) shall be prior to the Effective Time.

5.3 Buyers stock

a) The authorized capital stock of the Buyer consists of 200,000,000 shares of common stock, $.001 par value per share, of which 62,157,721 shares are issued and outstanding as of the date of this Agreement, and except for such shares, there are no shares of capital stock of the Buyer outstanding. There are options see Exhibit D (" FHAL Financials" ). In addition, there are 10,000,000 shares of capital stock reserved under the Fronthaul Group Inc. Compensation Plan for Outside Direct

Doesn't this sentence here... The Surviving Holdings Company shall use its reasonable best efforts to obtain any regulatory approvals referred to in the first sentence of this Section 6.2(b)(i) prior to the Closing Date and the directors will be as follows

And the first sentence that they are tallking about is...
(a) Reservation of Shares of the Buyer's Stock . The Buyer shall reserve for issuance a sufficient number of shares of the Buyer's Stock to cover the issuances of such stock required hereby and shall file such forms as may be required to notify Over the Counter NASDAQ Bulletin Board of Buyer's intent to list on the NASDAQ National Market System the additional shares of Surviving Holdings Company stock to be issued as part of the Merger Consideration.

What I "get" out of those statements is that as far as the merger goes they can do what they decide to do with the share structure...

"reasonable best efforts" NOBO list? And it was incorrect in the begining...but they did try...couldn't get the info they needed and then made the decision to increase shares?

(d) Shareholder Approval . Subject to Section 6.1(c) , the Company shall, at the earliest practicable date following the effective date of the Registration Statement covering the Buyer's Stock to be issued in the Merger, (i) promptly and duly call, give notice of, convene and hold a meeting of its shareholders for the purpose of voting to approve this Agreement and the transactions contemplated hereby, including the Merger, (ii) take all reasonable action to solicit and obtain such approval

(a) Reservation of Shares of the Buyer's Stock . The Buyer shall reserve for issuance a sufficient number of shares of the Buyer's Stock to cover the issuances of such stock required hereby and shall file such forms as may be required to notify Over the Counter NASDAQ Bulletin Board of Buyer's intent to list on the NASDAQ National Market System the additional shares of Surviving Holdings Company stock to be issued as part of the Merger Consideration

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Originally posted by rburnout:
Well, I see you folks choose to quote Rufus, but are incapable of discussing the actual SEC rules. Rufus does not make the rules.

Also, this latest thread is entitled DD....well, folks, do some.

How about this one: show us why the FHAL financials were not included in the 10-k, when it is required that they be, as it is supposedly a merger document, among other things.

There's more questions that don't seem to be discussed here, though I must admit that you folks are not the airheads like most at HSM....

How about those carbon credits? apparantly Brazil wants no part of them, AND the entire world market was only about $450mm as recently as 2004, not $4 trillion as MA claims just for Ecowood.

The below is excerpted from a post elsewhere from an illustrious but banned poster:

"Currently, the world carbon credit market is a $450 million
marketplace, but it is expected to grow to a $23 billion one
by 2010."

- Mongabay dot com, April 2006

"The world carbon credit market registered deals worth $11.3
billion euros last year, up sharply from $452 million in 2004
according to Econergy, New York-based clean energy investment,
management and consulting group."

- Mongabay dot com, April 2006

--

Preservation of Amazon rainforest does NOT qualify for carbon credits:

http://www.scidev.net/Opinions/index.cfm?fuseaction=readopinions&itemid=450&lang uage=1

Brazil objects to trading carbon credits for preservation of rainforests:

http://www.enn.com/today.html?id=11176

Rain Forest Coalition confirms NO carbon credits for rainforest preservation:

http://www.rainforestcoalition.org/eng/

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Originally posted by cbbush:
This has been very interesting reading in the new thread, and it sounds like there are several other chat sites about the company and what has transpired.

I would assume there is a lot of interest and money at stake.

Assuming that we take a positive attitude w/o the negativity and truly believe in Rufus and that MMs are manipulating the PPS because they can, then let's form an alliance and manipulate the stock in a positive fashion for our benefit.

If we truly believe in this, then let's put more of our money where our mouths are. Sitting back and taking no action doesn't make sense.

"There are costs and risks associated with any plan of action, but the costs and risks of comfortable inaction far outweigh those of action," John F. Kennedy

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Originally posted by cbbush:
Any takers? Most of the DD here says this is the real deal, so let's do it. If one group can manipulate the stock w/o getting into trouble, then why can't we?

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Originally posted by atthebank:

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Originally posted by rburnout:
Well, I see you folks choose to quote Rufus, but are incapable of discussing the actual SEC rules. Rufus does not make the rules.

Also, this latest thread is entitled DD....well, folks, do some.

How about this one: show us why the FHAL financials were not included in the 10-k, when it is required that they be, as it is supposedly a merger document, among other things.

There's more questions that don't seem to be discussed here, though I must admit that you folks are not the airheads like most at HSM....

How about those carbon credits? apparantly Brazil wants no part of them, AND the entire world market was only about $450mm as recently as 2004, not $4 trillion as MA claims just for Ecowood.

The below is excerpted from a post elsewhere from an illustrious but banned poster:

"Currently, the world carbon credit market is a $450 million
marketplace, but it is expected to grow to a $23 billion one
by 2010."

- Mongabay dot com, April 2006

"The world carbon credit market registered deals worth $11.3
billion euros last year, up sharply from $452 million in 2004
according to Econergy, New York-based clean energy investment,
management and consulting group."

- Mongabay dot com, April 2006

--

Preservation of Amazon rainforest does NOT qualify for carbon credits:

http://www.scidev.net/Opinions/index.cfm?fuseaction=readopinions&itemid=450&lang uage=1

Brazil objects to trading carbon credits for preservation of rainforests:

http://www.enn.com/today.html?id=11176

Rain Forest Coalition confirms NO carbon credits for rainforest preservation:

http://www.rainforestcoalition.org/eng/

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wow you r burnout, for reals huh? take your prozac like your doctor told you too!

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Originally posted by thedoctor:
All I want to say is ....Rufus said he is going to do something that has never been done before. I choose to believe him. Can it hurt to wait till at least the 30th ? For two days Rburnout, you have argued that it can't and won't happen. Quite frankly, I think they got tired of you at HSM also. Please stop. People here have tried to explain to you what we have found. If it is not enough info for you......GO. You obviously are way to smart for us. I have tried to be polite with you as have all of the others here .... but after a while this is getting stale. If you people want this to continue, I'll just go to bed or watch a movie. I am tired of him.

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Originally posted by cbbush:
Jenna -- Then why is not accumulating more stock a better idea. Tap into home equity, take out a loan, borrow from family. How can we lose?

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Originally posted by bilgert:

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Originally posted by cbbush:
Jenna -- Then why is not accumulating more stock a better idea. Tap into home equity, take out a loan, borrow from family. How can we lose?

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DON'T DO IT! These are all things that every experienced investor and consultant tell you not to do. The classic mantra: Don't invest more than you can afford to lose.

How can you lose? Easy the market is a fickle lass. The best of companies don't make it for reasons we don't know, and as has been demonstrated here, we definitely don't know everything. We know what's in the filings, what Rufus has told us and we have surmised, as logically as possible, the rest.

I am an optimist, have bought shares on dips and hope for the best, but in one fell swoop it could all go "bye bye" and if it happens, I'll be bummed- but no hard feelings. That's just how things are.

An internet organized group will never work as well as an MM or an investor-backed organized consortium (like those you see in leveraged buyout).

Look at the PBLS boards. They tried to rally a "buy/sell" protest to try and rally the stock last week. The volume was still strong and it went up a mere .0005. The next day it retraced.

Again, I encourage you to stay away from this sort of practice- don't borrow to get into this thing; I imagine Rufus would tell you the same thing.

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Originally posted by Tencentmint:
I have never seen anything like this stock in my life! Anyone else going to buy a boat load of it come Monday morning? I have only had enough time to do limited DD but what I have seen is pretty sweet. This one is going for a ride.

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I am going to add to my 7 shares each on monday, just waiting for the E to drop, funds cleared last week, going to pick up 2000 more, and maybe more after that, hopefully.
at these prices I will keep adding as funds become available up to 5 dollars per share.
 

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Posted by Tencentmint on :
 

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Originally posted by driver4t3:

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Originally posted by Tencentmint:
I have never seen anything like this stock in my life! Anyone else going to buy a boat load of it come Monday morning? I have only had enough time to do limited DD but what I have seen is pretty sweet. This one is going for a ride.

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I am going to add to my 7 shares each on monday, just waiting for the E to drop, funds cleared last week, going to pick up 2000 more, and maybe more after that, hopefully.
at these prices I will keep adding as funds become available up to 5 dollars per share.

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Buy before that E drops. Im thinking that when the E is gone so is the sale! I like your thinking of buying up to 5 per share. Good strategy.
 

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Posted by driver4t3 on :
 
tencentmint, the E should be off in the morning, so I will definatly be right here at the computer in the when the bell rings, just dont want to cross the wires at my brokers, however, I had a boatload of shares from .089 then last week, rufus gave us 6 more boatloads, a very nice gift, just going to ad 1 or 2 more boatloads, if I have time,i'll try the strategy..
 

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Posted by driver4t3 on :
 
tut started a thread ?? http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/ultimatebb.php/ubb/get_topic/f/2/ t/013074.html
 

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Posted by Tencentmint on :
 

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Originally posted by driver4t3:
tencentmint, the E should be off in the morning, so I will definatly be right here at the computer in the when the bell rings, just dont want to cross the wires at my brokers, however, I had a boatload of shares from .089 then last week, rufus gave us 6 more boatloads, a very nice gift, just going to ad 1 or 2 more boatloads, if I have time,i'll try the strategy..

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Originally posted by Jenna:
[QB] Rburnout = Rstreet ....It's so obvious, man, come on!!!! I find it peculiar how you only show up here in the wee hours of the night - Is that because where you are it's day time. Why don't you come to our side of the pond I hear some feds hear have a nice orange jumpsuit for you (it used to belong to Martha Stewart!)

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Originally posted by TimW:
Ok this may be a little out of place.. but is there anyway to go against the market makers?

Say you have two brokerage accounts.. any way to specify what shares you buy and sell..

IE in one account put your shares for sale at 2.00.. buy them with your other account.. sell them again on that account at 2.10.. buy them with the first account.. put them up for sale again at 2.20.. etc. and hope that the ask and bid of others will follow your lead.

I dont know if this is just silly thinking or illegal, but isnt this what they are doing now, just in a downward fashion?

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Originally posted by Tencentmint:

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Originally posted by TimW:
Ok this may be a little out of place.. but is there anyway to go against the market makers?

Say you have two brokerage accounts.. any way to specify what shares you buy and sell..

IE in one account put your shares for sale at 2.00.. buy them with your other account.. sell them again on that account at 2.10.. buy them with the first account.. put them up for sale again at 2.20.. etc. and hope that the ask and bid of others will follow your lead.

I dont know if this is just silly thinking or illegal, but isnt this what they are doing now, just in a downward fashion?

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Great Idea. Lets try it. I will sell you my shares of GTEL then I promise to buy them back!! LOL!

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Originally posted by cbbush:
Thanks bilgert. That's what I wanted to hear -- cautious optimism, because what I copied from investopedia (I believe that's right) could be true here. We can't be too careful, can we? I own shares and have made a decision to hold because I can afford the loss, but I will not bash anyone who says I have a substantial risk. I do, you do and we all do, but we will cheer for our team regardless. Those who bash are not as confident in their positions as we are or can afford to lose the money. Opinions on DD will differ, and we can agree to disagree in a civil manner. I haven't jumped on the front car but I'm on the roller coaster for the ride.

"On the other hand, it's tough to deny that short selling makes an important contribution to the market. It provides liquidity, drives down overpriced securities, and generally increases the efficiency of the markets. Short sellers are often the first line of defense against financial fraud. While the conflicts of interest from investment banking keeps some analysts from giving completely unbiased research, work from short sellers is often regarded as being some of the most detailed and highest quality research in the market. Its been said that short sellers actually prevent crashes because they provide a voice of reason during raging bull markets...

This is the mirror version of the "pump and dump," where crooks buy stock (take a long position) and issue false information that causes the target stock's price to increase."

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Regular short selling of a stock (usaully stocks over $4-5) I agree with you, but in pennyland there is NO PLACE for it. The "average guy CAN'T AFFORD to do it (you need $2.50 PER share PLUS commissions). And Naked Short selling is Criminal... "Who wants to buy air? Who wants the dilution? Who wants to see buying pressure soaked up by air instead of REAL investors buying and selling? (!!)

-And I don't buy the argument of "creating liquidity" -if they need shares, raise the PPS!
They'll have all the shares they want, -will they not?

That is why some big markets overseas are starting to go to a "straight through" market, (I believe Wally posted an article about that) the US will have to follow IMO, otherwise we would pollute their CLEAN system with this crap we've been dealing with now for MONTHS with CSHD, -Naked Shorting.

Regular short selling, -agreed, needed and healthy, in pennyland it has become a cancer, making GOOD companies go bust. If the little guy can't do it how is it fair market?? Seems like common sense doesn't it.....

And NAKED SHORT SELLING, -the selling of "air" it just plain wrong at ANY level IMO!

Anyone can quote me on that all day long. There's no telling where our PPS would be right now if we were in a "fair market!"

CCbush, I don't care for how the markets are "run" -so I'm all for cleaning up this Rich man's cesspool, and I'm PRAYING that Rufus can help, or do something new with CSHD.

In fact he has already, more and more Companies are getting NOBO list's and talking openly about this problem. So like it or not Rufus has effected the market place, maybe just a dip in the pond, -but no telling where those little waves end up going

dog...
Thanks for taking the time to set up the beginning of the board, that was needed anyway IMO cause we are at a crossroads. Many Newbs are wondering if they should get in after the 6 for 1 share "giveaway" and I think the facts everyone provided should allow them to see that we have at LEAST a 50/50 shot at something very big with CSHD.

No pumps, invest what you are comfortable with and let's see what happens. We need the next piece of the puzzle now from Rufus, we seem to have taken any DD to the limits of "if's" now.

Nothing's in stone from here, no example to compare, --but that in itself is more proof that Rufus perhaps really is "Doing something that has never been done before."

I still feel great about CSHD...

Peace, enjoy your Sunday Board ~
Chart
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
FWIW...

Scottrade letter:

Dear Mr. xxxxxx,

I am writing in reference to the email you sent dated September 21, 2006
regarding the Depository Trust Company (DTC) vs. Non-Objecting
Beneficial Owner (NOBO) lists from Conversion Solutions (CSHD). After
reviewing your email along with the DTC vs. NOBO lists at CSHD's
website, www.cvsu.us, and speaking to Scottrade associates from our Risk
Management and Stock Records teams, I have reported my findings below.

According to our records, as of October 2, 2006, you have XXXXX shares
of CSHD in your account, which is in a good and deliverable form at the
DTC.

Unfortunately there has been some confusion about the information
displayed on the CSHD website. The correct information about CSHD and
Scottrade clients is provided in the DTC list, which states as of
September 19, 2006 Scottrade had 5,203,265 shares of CSHD registered at
the DTC. Please note, since CSHD is a Bulletin Board stock, Scottrade
does not have any short positions in this security.

Scottrade would like to thank you for your inquiry as we appreciate your
business and value your concerns as a customer. If you should ever need
additional assistance please don't hesitate to call your local branch at
920-738-4540 or toll-free at 877-500-1980.


Sincerely,


Kevin E. Gaylord
Compliance Examiner

cc: Jeremy Kittoe, Branch Manager
 

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Posted by wallymac on :
 

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Originally posted by cbbush:
I agree tencentmint. Now we are talking rationally.

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Originally posted by wallymac:

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Originally posted by cbbush:
I agree tencentmint. Now we are talking rationally.

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It would have been nice if you had read through the threads that came before the last 2. From very early on this has been the one board that has preached caution and protecting of ones capital. I will have a very difficult time answering any of your futures posts.

"Your testing of the waters" was disingeuous at best. Your talk of attempting to manipulate the stock borders on criminal conspiracy. You have shown your true colors and derailed the true discussion of this stock.

GLTA
Wally

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Originally posted by driver4t3:
tut started a thread ?? http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/ultimatebb.php/ubb/get_topic/f/2/ t/013074.html

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
FWIW...

Scottrade letter:

Dear Mr. xxxxxx,

I am writing in reference to the email you sent dated September 21, 2006
regarding the Depository Trust Company (DTC) vs. Non-Objecting
Beneficial Owner (NOBO) lists from Conversion Solutions (CSHD). After
reviewing your email along with the DTC vs. NOBO lists at CSHD's
website, www.cvsu.us, and speaking to Scottrade associates from our Risk
Management and Stock Records teams, I have reported my findings below.

According to our records, as of October 2, 2006, you have XXXXX shares
of CSHD in your account, which is in a good and deliverable form at the
DTC.

Unfortunately there has been some confusion about the information
displayed on the CSHD website. The correct information about CSHD and
Scottrade clients is provided in the DTC list, which states as of
September 19, 2006 Scottrade had 5,203,265 shares of CSHD registered at
the DTC. Please note, since CSHD is a Bulletin Board stock, Scottrade
does not have any short positions in this security.

Scottrade would like to thank you for your inquiry as we appreciate your
business and value your concerns as a customer. If you should ever need
additional assistance please don't hesitate to call your local branch at
920-738-4540 or toll-free at 877-500-1980.


Sincerely,


Kevin E. Gaylord
Compliance Examiner

cc: Jeremy Kittoe, Branch Manager

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Originally posted by Jenna:
[QB] Rburnout = Rstreet ....It's so obvious, man, come on!!!! I find it peculiar how you only show up here in the wee hours of the night - Is that because where you are it's day time. Why don't you come to our side of the pond I hear some feds hear have a nice orange jumpsuit for you (it used to belong to Martha Stewart!)

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Well, good mornin' li'l lady....The sun is peekin' in my window. Unfortunately, a customer has a rush job we have to go do. Hopefully, I'll be back home in time to catch the second half of the Hawks beating the Vikings..... Work also beckoned all day yesterday, so I missed another thrilling UW loss...

You get a D for perceptivity skills.....

Me, a B for my cut/paste abilities....

Good luck with your investing.....you're gonna need it.

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Originally posted by driver4t3:
tut started a thread ?? http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/ultimatebb.php/ubb/get_topic/f/2/ t/013074.html

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Originally posted by GreenDay:

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Originally posted by driver4t3:
tut started a thread ?? http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/ultimatebb.php/ubb/get_topic/f/2/ t/013074.html

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What?? this link doesn't work for me.

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not working for me now either....
 

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Posted by driver4t3 on :
 

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Originally posted by 10of13:
Tut asked that it be deleted...

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Originally posted by GreenDay:

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Originally posted by driver4t3:
tut started a thread ?? http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/ultimatebb.php/ubb/get_topic/f/2/ t/013074.html

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What?? this link doesn't work for me.

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Oh that's right it's Sunday & St. Matt said that Tut told him he's going to post something important on Sunday.

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Originally posted by Spooky:
I hate to dirty up this beautiful new thread with a non-DD (ish) question, but they locked the other one so I'm not sure where else to post it.

I'd like some speculation on what will happen given the best case scenario that we are hoping for. For the sake of this conversation, lets say that the 30th comes around and the short squeeze happens, meaning (again for the sake of this argument) a closing price of $20 per share.

Now, all of my shares were purchased on the 4th and 6th of October. They are in an account with Scottrade. I have no way of knowing (yet) if what I have are real or air shares, I'd guess there is better than a 75% chance that they are air. I believe that Scottrade will be on the hook for providing me with real shares or something of equivilent value. So, my question to you folks is this...

In my situation, is it worth requesting the certs at this point (considering it is unlikely that I could recieve them before the 30th), or should I just look forward to joing whatever actions Rufus has planned to help me get propper compensation.

-Spooky

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Originally posted by rburnout:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
[QB] Rburnout = Rstreet ....It's so obvious, man, come on!!!! I find it peculiar how you only show up here in the wee hours of the night - Is that because where you are it's day time. Why don't you come to our side of the pond I hear some feds hear have a nice orange jumpsuit for you (it used to belong to Martha Stewart!)

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Well, good mornin' li'l lady....The sun is peekin' in my window. Unfortunately, a customer has a rush job we have to go do. Hopefully, I'll be back home in time to catch the second half of the Hawks beating the Vikings..... Work also beckoned all day yesterday, so I missed another thrilling UW loss...

You get a D for perceptivity skills.....

Me, a B for my cut/paste abilities....

Good luck with your investing.....you're gonna need it.

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Unfortunately Rburnout, I'm going to have to give you an "F" for your cut-n-paste abilities because all you really needed to do was click on the (") quote symbol.
 

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Posted by bigstocks on :
 
They dismiss cases because the sec is suppose to be the watchdog not the courts.
JMHO
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 

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Originally posted by cbbush:
wallymac wrote: It would have been nice if you had read through the threads that came before the last 2. From very early on this has been the one board that has preached caution and protecting of ones capital. I will have a very difficult time answering any of your futures posts.

"Your testing of the waters" was disingeuous at best. Your talk of attempting to manipulate the stock borders on criminal conspiracy. You have shown your true colors and derailed the true discussion of this stock.

I DON'T THINK I'LL LOSE ANY SLEEP IF A LEFT COAST LIBERAL DOESN'T ANSWER MY POSTS. ALL I WAS SAYING WAS IF ANYONE TRULY BELIEVES IN THIS STOCK, THEN WE SHOULD BE TALKING OF BUYING MORE LIKE DRIVER AND TENCENT. THAT'S WHAT I PLAN ON DOING. SHORTING A PENNY STOCK IS ILLEGAL. BUYING A PENNY STOCK IS NOT

glassman wrote -- derailing good due dilligence has been the main goal of the shorts all along...

i repeat my asssertion that i have seen many lies by the negative posters on this stock..

there has been a constant assualt on this stock since mid-july...
funny? i look at the charts? and they tell a differnt story...

YOU ARE SO-SHORTSIDED. DUE DILIGENCE BY ITS VERY DEFINITION IS TO RESEARCH ALL SIDES (WHICH WILL INCLUDE POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE)AND PRESENT THE FINDINGS AND MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON YOUR ANALYSIS. I AM NOT A SHORT. I DO NOT ATTACK THE STOCK BUT AS A STOCKHOLDER, IT IS MY RIGHT TO QUESTION ANYTHING MANAGEMENT SAYS OR DOES. AN INTELLIGENT PERSON CAN SEE THROUGH THE LIES.

IF I HAVE DONE ANYTHING WRONG IN MY POSTINGS, THEN THE MODERATOR SHOULD DISALLOW MY ACCESS.

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cbbush?

what are you yelling about now?

moderators don't have the ability to determine who is lying and who is telling the truth...

moderators don't have a "secret decoder" ring that tells them what the ultimate truth is...

they do have the right to delete rude insulting posts...

and calling me short-sighted is rude and insulting...

i don't know if wallymac considers your post to him her rude or insulting or not...

but?

you addressed me directly ...

i was not even talking to you, i was responding to wallymac...


now? maybe the moderators should delete this post... maybe they shouldn't...

it doesn't matter...

i've been reading the posts on several boards since mid-july..

i've read the filings and other forms of REAL DUE DILLIGENCE and made my decisions based on that...


you signed up under this particular name here a couple of days ago and have posted exclusively on this stock...

i suggest you tone down the name-calling and insults....and read the User Agreement Review
here:

http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/agree_revi ew.html

as far as your statement that shorting penny stocks is illegal?

you are wrong...

it is perfectly legal...
 

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Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
66inxs…….just getting caught up again and read your question of yesterday evening, …..apologies for the time lapse....right after I posted yesterday, I went out for dinner and a movie with friends and then did not get back on till this evening………( editorial note……I have taken the time to read approximately 4 pages now to get caught up again, and when I started as a newbie in July, I took the time to read a lot of pages of the FHAL thread(s) and the SEC filings of FHAL to “start” developing an understanding of what was going on with this company…still learning as each day goes by) …..

FWIW….as for what I believe….the F/S’s of CSHD (like any company) are generally a snapshot of one point in time. And this snapshot for the 06-30-06 YE F/S of CSHD are represented by SEC filing as audited information. I interpret the B/S to be showing a strong equity position with low debt ( roughly a .05 debt to equity ratio) which is very positive to me, as well as the Income statement showing a gain in income by way of the interest income when it’s washed against operating expenses.

I would like to be able to see a better picture of CSHD’s financial performance over time by being able to compare prior year and prior quarter results, but with this being the onset of a newly merged publicly traded entity, such comparison will be kind of difficult to see, as well as being able to compare the 06-30-06 YE F/S of CSHD to the 06-30-05 YE F/S when they were a private company. (Question….has anyone asked management for the 2005 YE F/S in the phone calls and conversations they have had in the past few months?……..If this has been already information posted, I have missed it and would hope to have it pointed out again to the thread members..)
Also, it would be instructive to see how other holding and /or investment companies financial ratio’s have performed during the same time period.

As such I have developed a reasonable confidence in the company’s representation of it’s positive financial status at YE for 2006.

Now, I am interested in seeing what the 1st quarter financials are that we will see in the 10-Q, so that we can have data to understand the combined B/S of the merged FHAL and CVUS entities, in terms of the asset bookings of the bonds that have been publicized and the status of the FHAL liabilities, as well as any other significant transactions. And to be able to develop a picture of CSHD’s financial performance over a broader time frame.

Only IMHO…..GLTA and hoping we see a tremendous week…..

 

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Posted by bilgert on :
 

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Originally posted by VoodooNola:
Does anybody know about the Executive VP of Global Investments, Romeo Venditti

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Originally posted by Spooky:
Final Bump... I didn't get much of a response to this post and I'd thought I'd bump it incase it was just missed.

quote:

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Originally posted by Spooky:
I hate to dirty up this beautiful new thread with a non-DD (ish) question, but they locked the other one so I'm not sure where else to post it.

I'd like some speculation on what will happen given the best case scenario that we are hoping for. For the sake of this conversation, lets say that the 30th comes around and the short squeeze happens, meaning (again for the sake of this argument) a closing price of $20 per share.

Now, all of my shares were purchased on the 4th and 6th of October. They are in an account with Scottrade. I have no way of knowing (yet) if what I have are real or air shares, I'd guess there is better than a 75% chance that they are air. I believe that Scottrade will be on the hook for providing me with real shares or something of equivilent value. So, my question to you folks is this...

In my situation, is it worth requesting the certs at this point (considering it is unlikely that I could recieve them before the 30th), or should I just look forward to joing whatever actions Rufus has planned to help me get propper compensation.

-Spooky

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Originally posted by 10of13:
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Originally posted by driver4t3:
tut started a thread ?? http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/ultimatebb.php/ubb/get_topic/f/2/ t/013074.html

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Originally posted by GreenDay:

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Originally posted by 10of13:
Tut asked that it be deleted...

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Originally posted by GreenDay:

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Originally posted by driver4t3:
tut started a thread ?? http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/ultimatebb.php/ubb/get_topic/f/2/ t/013074.html

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What?? this link doesn't work for me.

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WHAT! He started a thread, then had it deleted?? that is weird. What did it say??

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didn't say much, just he's happy to see the DD here, and basically happy everyone is holding in spite of the mms and holding our resolve..all good. he is supposed to be posting tonight at hsm, i guess something good.
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 

 

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Posted by GreenDay on :
 
so he created a new account here today? how can you be sure it was the real tut?
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 

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Originally posted by RyanPBF:
not to really start something here, but ccbush you seem like you have a real axe to grind here for some reason.

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Originally posted by RyanPBF:
Hey guys just found this. I don't know if it's been covered yet or not. It's about the issuance of shares from Nasdaq's view. LIke rufus said he doesn't have to get permission from Nasdaq he just has to let them know.

.I Issuing any common stock (or security convertible into common stock) in connection with the acquisition of the stock or assets of another company, if any officer or director or substantial shareholder of the issuer has a 5% or greater interest (or if such persons collectively have a 10% or greater interest) in the company to be acquired or in the considerations to be paid; or • Entering into a transaction that may result in the potential issuance of common stock (or securities convertible into common stock) greater than 10% of either the TSO or the voting power outstanding on a pre-transaction basis;

After just reading this quickly. it seems that they can issue shares to reduce a former officer or directors ownership in the new co. I might be reading to much into this. Here's the link to the whole thing it's on page 12

http://www.nasdaq.com/about/RegRequirements.pdf

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Posted by SherriT on :
 
Hi all - just checking in to see if we had any interesting news or posts from our beloved magic carpet rider. I, for one, was somewhat disappointed that our diversion from the low volume "E" days caused such a stir, but I can certainly relate to the catching up part. Maybe we should start one in the off-topic area to pass the time. I'd love to see the squeeze kick in hard and fast tomorrow, but I just don't think we will see too much until the end of the week getting closer to the 30th. Gut still tells me we will see NAZ right around the time that those 6-for-1 shares hit the accounts.

Hope dog is enjoying the game at Comerica tonight - looks like he is winning. See you in the AM!
 

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Posted by driver4t3 on :
 
quite tonight .. good sign, everyones happy.
 

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Posted by Jenna on :
 
This thread is so different.....I feel like I'm in a library...


I just feel like there's not much DDing to do right now.........time will tell...This week should be very interesting & exciting...

Guys- just remember there may not be "work" to do every minute.........you know that big pile of papers on your desks?.........well, once in a while you get through the entire pile...then you just have to wait for more........
 

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Posted by Jenna on :
 
Spooky - FYI- I have Scottrade & I've called them a few times voicing those same concerns & they assured me that the shares we have in our accounts we own!!!

Is your name on CSVU.us? If it is, you REALLY have no worries... If you bought after the 3rd I believe they have requested an updated list up to the 16th, so wait until they post that list, if your on- your good....I'm on, doc's on, & I believe everyone that has Scotty & posts here is on that list...hope that aswers your question........oh & I haven't requested any certs- but I do plan on holding very long!!!
 

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Posted by driver4t3 on :
 

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Originally posted by Jenna:
This thread is so different.....I feel like I'm in a library...


I just feel like there's not much DDing to do right now.........time will tell...This week should be very interesting & exciting...

Guys- just remember there may not be "work" to do every minute.........you know that big pile of papers on your desks?.........well, once in a while you get through the entire pile...then you just have to wait for more........

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I think it's only quite tonight jenna people preparing for the storm this week, should be lots of fun, cant wait, should be a ride and a half..
 

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Posted by Jenna on :
 
I can't wait either Driver!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Posted by atthebank on :
 

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Originally posted by driver4t3:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
This thread is so different.....I feel like I'm in a library...


I just feel like there's not much DDing to do right now.........time will tell...This week should be very interesting & exciting...

Guys- just remember there may not be "work" to do every minute.........you know that big pile of papers on your desks?.........well, once in a while you get through the entire pile...then you just have to wait for more........

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I think it's only quite tonight jenna people preparing for the storm this week, should be lots of fun, cant wait, should be a ride and a half..

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Originally posted by driver4t3:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
This thread is so different.....I feel like I'm in a library...


I just feel like there's not much DDing to do right now.........time will tell...This week should be very interesting & exciting...

Guys- just remember there may not be "work" to do every minute.........you know that big pile of papers on your desks?.........well, once in a while you get through the entire pile...then you just have to wait for more........

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I think it's only quite tonight jenna people preparing for the storm this week, should be lots of fun, cant wait, should be a ride and a half..

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Sorry but I been out all day a storm???

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Originally posted by Jenna:


Is your name on CSVU.us? If it is, you REALLY have no worries... If you bought after the 3rd I believe they have requested an updated list up to the 16th, so wait until they post that list, if your on- your good....I'm on, doc's on, & I believe everyone that has Scotty & posts here is on that list...hope that aswers your question........oh & I haven't requested any certs- but I do plan on holding very long!!!

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Originally posted by Wit:

Me, a B for my cut/paste abilities....

Good luck with your investing.....you're gonna need it.

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Unfortunately Rburnout, I'm going to have to give you an "F" for your cut-n-paste abilities because all you really needed to do was click on the (") quote symbol. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Actually, wit, I get an A for quoting, as just there, I edited out the irrelevant parts.

But you get an F for perceptivity, as my pastes weren't from this board.....

Cheers to ya!
 

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Posted by djg7 on :
 
I agree Jenna. MMs will not give up until the very end. What do they have to lose? I see even more MM manipulation this week than ever before. They want every last share from any weak hands. They (the MMs) will be screwed come 10/30 if Rufus delivers what has been promised.
 

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Posted by dlab on :
 
Today, 12:01 AM #17439
tutankhamen
HSM Regular


Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 328 First of all I want to say a very deep thank you to all shareholders that PM'd me asking to be part of a very special trust to help the troubled, lost and homeless children. Some of you shared some very heartwrenching stories of your own experiences and I truly feel your sorrow and pain. We can and will make a difference with what I am planning to organize. Remember, the children of today are our children, and they are our future, and they deserve the best we can do for them. When we are through with this first step with this company we will talk again. This is how certain I am that what this company is about to give you will be able to change your lives forever and for the better, and change how you look at life around you.

Shareholders you are about to wake up to a new week and this week should prove to be very interesting for all shareholders. The "E" will be off in the morning and with that a new awakening especially for some of the short groups that will find they will have no choice but to cover their positions. We could expect something from the company that will show the power that is behind this company and the seriousness that will be attached by certain groups that will support the company through its final stages to be a recognized and very legitimate force to be taken seriously. I have stayed with you all through what has been a very difficult battle for very good reason and now you will all be rewarded for your courage and determination.

You can all be proud of yourselves especially because through this all you have showed there is a deeper understanding and humanity you have all experienced and expressed that will carry with you for the rest of your lives.

Yes, this company can change your lives forever with a financial freedom you have only up until now dreamed of, but your most prized reward, compassion and understanding will be the most precious gift that you will be able to share with the world when you walk proudly through the gates of victory.

النصر لك

Now you will understand the "power" behind this company. Shareholders you will be the victors and you will be glad you held strong with this company.

The cobra will not show any mercy. The shorts will now be finished.

You are either with or without today.
You who have stood strong, yours is the victory cup to drink of.

Those who stand before me will live. Those who stand with their backs to me will surely perish.

ya KHabar befloos, bukrah yeb'a bebalash
الصمت احيانا ضروري. بعض الانبياء المزيفين عندما اتكلم كثيرا وان لم يتكلم. كل شيء سيكون علي كشف لكم وسيكون النصر لكم.
 

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Posted by Jo4321 on :
 
Fidelity now says the CSHDE is an unknown symbol. And CSHD now comes up in their quotes.

Jo
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
My choicetrade is all cleared...
looking forward to this week...but looking more towards the next couple of months...

.11 and up thread...
http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/ultimatebb.php/ubb/get_topic/f/16 /t/000382/p/1.html#000025
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by lostone:

quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
FWIW...

Scottrade letter:

Dear Mr. xxxxxx,

I am writing in reference to the email you sent dated September 21, 2006
regarding the Depository Trust Company (DTC) vs. Non-Objecting
Beneficial Owner (NOBO) lists from Conversion Solutions (CSHD). After
reviewing your email along with the DTC vs. NOBO lists at CSHD's
website, www.cvsu.us, and speaking to Scottrade associates from our Risk
Management and Stock Records teams, I have reported my findings below.

According to our records, as of October 2, 2006, you have XXXXX shares
of CSHD in your account, which is in a good and deliverable form at the
DTC.

Unfortunately there has been some confusion about the information
displayed on the CSHD website. The correct information about CSHD and
Scottrade clients is provided in the DTC list, which states as of
September 19, 2006 Scottrade had 5,203,265 shares of CSHD registered at
the DTC. Please note, since CSHD is a Bulletin Board stock, Scottrade
does not have any short positions in this security.

Scottrade would like to thank you for your inquiry as we appreciate your
business and value your concerns as a customer. If you should ever need
additional assistance please don't hesitate to call your local branch at
920-738-4540 or toll-free at 877-500-1980.


Sincerely,


Kevin E. Gaylord
Compliance Examiner

cc: Jeremy Kittoe, Branch Manager

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Should have emphasized NAKED SHORT instead of just short..

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Ha ha~ whoa...

You have NO IDEA the lenthgs I went through to educate them there, including the video "The BIG PICTURE."

People who have been along for the ride would have gotten a laugh out of that, see, at first they used that play on words, saying they weren't "shorting" CSHD, but I made sure they knew I meant FTD's

-and of course they don't have any...
riiiight ~

Good Morning Board!!
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
good morning everyone. I hope a squeeze starts happening today.
 

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Posted by ajman on :
 
hold on tight this week folks, the ride may get a little crazy this week as these folks start to realize time is short.
 

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Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
FWIW....I am a skeptical person and when I read this post last night, my first reaction was that this does not sound like the prose style of the tut-eister that has been psoting on HSM. Also, none of the signature phrases (for example....The cobra will not show any mercy. The shorts will now be finished.
You are either with or without today.
You who have stood strong, yours is the victory cup to drink of.)
are involved with the post on the .11 and up thread.........
.
.
Now after reading the HSM tut-eister's post from earlier this AM, I am really skeptical that the Allstock's Tutankhamen and the HSM Tutankhamen are the same person.....just my opinion.....GLTA today.....

quote:

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Originally posted by 10of13:
poted by Tut on the .11 and up thread...hold strong guys!

tutankhamen
New Member


posted October 22, 2006 11:10 PM
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Remain strong and in high spirits. The next few days will test your resolve, but in the end you will find that a difficult journey is often rewarded. Remember when the time comes and good has been done for you that a beautiful and complete heart knows how to look out for others in need.

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Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
My Scottrade streamer has yet to show CSHD ass the active ticker symbol.......looks like Scottrade is still behind the pack as has been said before.......Checked pinksheets, and they show CSHDE as having been changed to CSHD....Good sign......Lets go CSHD !!!....RUFUS....Make our day.....
 

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Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
Okay, now the Scottrade streamer is starting to show CSHD as an active symbol......now I can get my second cup of coffee and be a little more comfortable.......
 

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Posted by portman on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by BuckyBarnes:
FWIW....I am a skeptical person and when I read this post last night, my first reaction was that this does not sound like the prose style of the tut-eister that has been psoting on HSM. Also, none of the signature phrases (for example....The cobra will not show any mercy. The shorts will now be finished.
You are either with or without today.
You who have stood strong, yours is the victory cup to drink of.)
are involved with the post on the .11 and up thread.........
.
.
Now after reading the HSM tut-eister's post from earlier this AM, I am really skeptical that the Allstock's Tutankhamen and the HSM Tutankhamen are the same person.....just my opinion.....GLTA today.....

quote:

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Originally posted by 10of13:
poted by Tut on the .11 and up thread...hold strong guys!

tutankhamen
New Member


posted October 22, 2006 11:10 PM
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Remain strong and in high spirits. The next few days will test your resolve, but in the end you will find that a difficult journey is often rewarded. Remember when the time comes and good has been done for you that a beautiful and complete heart knows how to look out for others in need.

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All he has to do is call the right people...there are those who can determine if he is tut in about 10 seconds or less.
 

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Posted by portman on :
 
I have contacted Tut for verification. I will let you all know when I do.
 

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Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
Morning Chart......quick question....will the charts combine the history of the pps for CSHD(up through Oct 17)and the four days of pps movements of CSHDE together? Or has the history (for long term charting purposes) now been completely disrupted and the pps movement of today will be starting over from scratch?
 

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Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
Thank You, Portman.....I would like to believe that the Tutankhamen posting on Allstocks is the real deal.....
 

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Posted by trade04 on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by BuckyBarnes:
My Scottrade streamer has yet to show CSHD ass the active ticker symbol.......looks like Scottrade is still behind the pack as has been said before.......Checked pinksheets, and they show CSHDE as having been changed to CSHD....Good sign......Lets go CSHD !!!....RUFUS....Make our day.....

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quote:

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Originally posted by trade04:

quote:

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Originally posted by BuckyBarnes:
My Scottrade streamer has yet to show CSHD ass the active ticker symbol.......looks like Scottrade is still behind the pack as has been said before.......Checked pinksheets, and they show CSHDE as having been changed to CSHD....Good sign......Lets go CSHD !!!....RUFUS....Make our day.....

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k good scotturd sucksx, i hate seeing the e this morning

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quote:

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Originally posted by BuckyBarnes:
Morning Chart......quick question....will the charts combine the history of the pps for CSHD(up through Oct 17)and the four days of pps movements of CSHDE together? Or has the history (for long term charting purposes) now been completely disrupted and the pps movement of today will be starting over from scratch?

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Everything should return to normal today Bucky

--well,... -as normal as "normal" gets here at CSHD
 

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Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
TY ChartWalker
 

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Posted by trade04 on :
 
Should be aN interesting day, no1 knows what mms will do to it today =)
 

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Posted by 66inxs on :
 
morning everyone. scotty still has the e, maybe it will change b4 trading starts today. i think chsd will channel this week in the absence of any pr. one week till payday!
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Scotty...

I have BOTH symbols up, neither seems to be locked out, but showing different ASK prices...

What does everyone have for Bid and ASK this morning???
Bid 1.86
Ask 1.87 & 1.88 (?)
 

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Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
Seeing 1.86 x 1.88 for CSHD
1.86 x 1.87 for CSHDE

on the Scottrade streamer right now........It seems to be behaving like if did last Tuesday morning.
 

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Posted by trade04 on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
Scotty...

I have BOTH symbols up, neither seems to be locked out, but showing different ASK prices...

What does everyone have for Bid and ASK this morning???
Bid 1.86
Ask 1.87 & 1.88 (?)

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quote:

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Originally posted by trade04:

quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
Scotty...

I have BOTH symbols up, neither seems to be locked out, but showing different ASK prices...

What does everyone have for Bid and ASK this morning???
Bid 1.86
Ask 1.87 & 1.88 (?)

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yep normally they go pink, but in the portfolio it has no E anymore!

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Posted by Vin on :
 
sam$, thanks for the transfer, you're money made it to my account with no problem!
 

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Posted by sam$ on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Vin:
sam$, thanks for the transfer, you're money made it to my account with no problem!

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yo! give me my $!!
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Yep, sites like Pinksheets now take CSHD.

Everything is checking out, -looks like "E" is bye-bye
 

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Posted by sam$ on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Vin:
sam$, thanks for the transfer, you're money made it to my account with no problem!

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quote:

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Originally posted by sam$:
yo anybody has $0.00 in cshd

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Posted by thedoctor on :
 
My Scottrade has no "E"
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
my TDA is all set it show the bid at 1x1.86 and ask at 1.87. The previous close is 2.03 which is what the close was before we got the "E"
 

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Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
Looks like Scottrade is in process of updating their system to switch Conversion Solutions back to the CSHD ticker........Scotty's displays look like they did and behaved last Tuesday morning when they switched to CSHDE..
.
You should be okay, but if something does not look right by the open of the market, give your branch manager a call and express your concerns as a customer.
 

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Posted by trade04 on :
 
anywayyyy heres to a proud day (i hope)
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
darn..

Gonna miss the open ~
Hold the fort down
 

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Posted by Spooky on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by BuckyBarnes:
[snip]
You should be okay, but if something does not look right by the open of the market, give your branch manager a call and express your concerns as a customer.

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By putting in a request to transfer your account elswhere

I'm seriously considering moving mine anyway.
 

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Posted by new2stocks on :
 
morning board!
 

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Posted by CRab on :
 
Morning all...I'm a little dissapointed in the premarket here...suprised rather...

I just expected a little more activity...

Power ETrade working just fine...although...on my chart it is missing Wed-Fri info...Mon, Tue are present and then it just flatlines for three days...so as of right now it's saying I'm down 8%...
 

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Posted by trade04 on :
 
cshd chart not working
 

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Posted by Doniboy on :
 
No E oday. Thats a good sign anyway
 

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Posted by NEL on :
 
Quiet... ? What's up guys...
 

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Posted by mathis on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by trade04:
cshd chart not working

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if you have scottrade you have to delete the old symbol (CSHD) and re add it, then it worked for me
 

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Posted by Vin on :
 
WoW, this thing's dead in the water! Good sign, nobody's selling.
 

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Posted by trade04 on :
 
just called scottrade about the cshd charts they are looking into it
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
talk about some dried up volume. Just not a whole lot to discuss at the moment Nel.
 

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Posted by sam$ on :
 
ONE WEEK B4 PAYDAY CHEER UP GUYS!!!
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
wow...VERY low volume...AND mostly buys...things are lookin' good...
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
that's what I'm thinking 10
 

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Posted by Jenna on :
 
Good Morning.....
 

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Posted by a surfer on :
 
Trade 04 Stockcharts is not locating either symbol on the auto update charts.
 

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Posted by St. Matthew on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Oh that's right it's Sunday & St. Matt said that Tut told him he's going to post something important on Sunday.

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quote:

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Originally posted by St. Matthew:

quote:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Oh that's right it's Sunday & St. Matt said that Tut told him he's going to post something important on Sunday.

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I didn't see anything yesterday. I have to say that I am a little disappointed. I am wondering if his Saturday post is what he was referring to. I hope not. Although it's nice to help people in need, I think we should cross that bridge when we get to it. He did post something early this morning, but it was more of the same stuff we have seen for weeks. The only difference being that he expects this to be an exciting week.

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quote:

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Originally posted by St. Matthew:

quote:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Oh that's right it's Sunday & St. Matt said that Tut told him he's going to post something important on Sunday.

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I didn't see anything yesterday. I have to say that I am a little disappointed. I am wondering if his Saturday post is what he was referring to. I hope not. Although it's nice to help people in need, I think we should cross that bridge when we get to it. He did post something early this morning, but it was more of the same stuff we have seen for weeks. The only difference being that he expects this to be an exciting week.

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Posted by cool AZ on :
 
Good morning board! .... home again, sooo good! I mostly get just about enough time to catch up over the weekend and that's it ... looking forward to this week! GLT .. us all!
 

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Posted by CRab on :
 
Yeah Jenna...I'm gonna have to agree with you there...I'm almost positive his mention of the charity to be is what he was refering to...
 

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Posted by bigstocks on :
 
1.95 nothing but buys.
 

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Posted by a surfer on :
 
now shes movin!!
 

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Posted by Jenna on :
 
FWIW- I had a dream last night that there was no trading for like 25 minutes & we were curious as to what was going on then it was announced that we would be halted 'til Friday!!! What a dream. It was good - real good.....C'mon Rufus make my dream come true!!!!!!!!
 

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Posted by cool AZ on :
 
something's happenin'! ... movin up!
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
moving now.
 

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Posted by Vin on :
 
Maybe MM's are starting to realize that dropping the price isn't making people sell. They've now resorted to having to raise the price. Oh the humanity!
 

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Posted by CRab on :
 
What are you implying Vin...a fair marketplace is being made? How dare you allude to such things...
 

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Posted by Vin on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by CRab:
What are you implying Vin...a fair marketplace is being made? How dare you allude to such things...

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quote:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
St. Matt- I think he intends to do the things he says he may just get distracted ot the "important" thing may have been his idea to start a charity.......

quote:

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Originally posted by St. Matthew:

quote:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Oh that's right it's Sunday & St. Matt said that Tut told him he's going to post something important on Sunday.

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I didn't see anything yesterday. I have to say that I am a little disappointed. I am wondering if his Saturday post is what he was referring to. I hope not. Although it's nice to help people in need, I think we should cross that bridge when we get to it. He did post something early this morning, but it was more of the same stuff we have seen for weeks. The only difference being that he expects this to be an exciting week.

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Just a little concerned because 2 weeks ago he told me (through a PM) that he wanted to start a charity for Cancer...because he lot a parent to cancer. I understand that he can change his mind, but let's keep our eye on the ball until the game is over. We will all (hopefully) be looking for some tax relief soon.
 

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Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
BTW...good morning Jenna...I forgot to say that earlier.
 

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Posted by CRab on :
 
09:54:11 1.89 310 shares
10:03:00 1.95 410 shares
10:06:14 1.95 510 shares

hahaha...someone is throwing smoke signals...

(I'm kidding...I personally do not believe in ticker signals, lol...I just thought that was kinda funny)
 

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Posted by St. Matthew on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
FWIW- I had a dream last night that there was no trading for like 25 minutes & we were curious as to what was going on then it was announced that we would be halted 'til Friday!!! What a dream. It was good - real good.....C'mon Rufus make my dream come true!!!!!!!!

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quote:

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Originally posted by St. Matthew:

quote:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
St. Matt- I think he intends to do the things he says he may just get distracted ot the "important" thing may have been his idea to start a charity.......

quote:

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Originally posted by St. Matthew:

quote:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Oh that's right it's Sunday & St. Matt said that Tut told him he's going to post something important on Sunday.

---

I didn't see anything yesterday. I have to say that I am a little disappointed. I am wondering if his Saturday post is what he was referring to. I hope not. Although it's nice to help people in need, I think we should cross that bridge when we get to it. He did post something early this morning, but it was more of the same stuff we have seen for weeks. The only difference being that he expects this to be an exciting week.

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Just a little concerned because 2 weeks ago he told me (through a PM) that he wanted to start a charity for Cancer...because he lot a parent to cancer. I understand that he can change his mind, but let's keep our eye on the ball until the game is over. We will all (hopefully) be looking for some tax relief soon.

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Yeah, it was funny this weekend....my hubby has consistently been picking on me about my faith in this stock and the fact that we should make a nice bit of change (though not the millions many of you are looking at). I mentioned needing to find a good tax attorney and he thought I'd lost my mind
 

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Posted by Vin on :
 
Sherri, sounds like your husband is a basher!
 

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Posted by SherriT on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by St. Matthew:

quote:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
FWIW- I had a dream last night that there was no trading for like 25 minutes & we were curious as to what was going on then it was announced that we would be halted 'til Friday!!! What a dream. It was good - real good.....C'mon Rufus make my dream come true!!!!!!!!

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I had a dream that I got fired because I am spending too much time on here...LOL. I really do need to get some work done today, so I will be in and out.

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I had a similar dream, St. Matt...I also dreamed I told them I was going part-time or quitting
 

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Posted by St. Matthew on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by SherriT:

quote:

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Originally posted by St. Matthew:

quote:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
FWIW- I had a dream last night that there was no trading for like 25 minutes & we were curious as to what was going on then it was announced that we would be halted 'til Friday!!! What a dream. It was good - real good.....C'mon Rufus make my dream come true!!!!!!!!

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I had a dream that I got fired because I am spending too much time on here...LOL. I really do need to get some work done today, so I will be in and out.

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I had a similar dream, St. Matt...I also dreamed I told them I was going part-time or quitting

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quote:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
After we get our shares, if this gets to just under $15 / share..I will be a millionaire!!! Have you guys figured your millionarie magic #?

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Oh yeah....Tim (the hubby) actually has said "so when are we making that 2.9 million this stock is supposed to generate", and of course I keep saying he needs to be patient that we may not wanna sell quickly etc. How little the man really knows! And I thought only his spelling skills were questionable

Vin - yes, he is a basher, but mostly because he knows it gets under my skin (we have that sort of relationship that you pick on one another until they scream uncle....)

St. Matt...I don't even need $50 a share...I'll make the hubby keep working LOL!
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Tax posted this on the other thread...I don't think he'll mind if I bring it here as a reminder...do yah Tax?


C'mon Rufus...
 

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Posted by trade04 on :
 
come on CSHD! DANCE!
 

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Posted by new2stocks on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
After we get our shares, if this gets to just under $15 / share..I will be a millionaire!!! Have you guys figured your millionarie magic #?

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Well I won't be a millionare but I will be able to get myself out of debt and have some leftovers.
 

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Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Jenna has more shares than me

I need more than $15 a share for millionare status! But, lets start with $2!
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by new2stocks:

quote:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
After we get our shares, if this gets to just under $15 / share..I will be a millionaire!!! Have you guys figured your millionarie magic #?

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Well I won't be a millionare but I will be able to get myself out of debt and have some leftovers.

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Another $4.10 and you're going to know one New2!
 

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Posted by Jenna on :
 
True Mr. C - getting to $2 & staying there for a while would be nice!!! Remember 3 weeks ago when everyday morning this thing would just shoot up & we were on cloud 9, that time is comin' 'round again.....I feel it!!
 

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Posted by Jenna on :
 
Chart- Another 4.10 from current pps?
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Chart- Another 4.10 from current pps?

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quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:

quote:

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Originally posted by new2stocks:

quote:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
After we get our shares, if this gets to just under $15 / share..I will be a millionaire!!! Have you guys figured your millionarie magic #?

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Well I won't be a millionare but I will be able to get myself out of debt and have some leftovers.

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Another $4.10 and you're going to know one New2!

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Wow! Good for you Chart...that's great.
 

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Posted by Jenna on :
 
Oh No- How funny- My Hubby just said I was talking in my sleep last night!! Funny usually he's the one....

I guess this is how it went:

Me: "He's got to do it! Just do it!"

Hubby: "Who?"

Me: "Rufus!"

So, just now he told me this & he asked,"Who is RUFUS?"

WOW, thank God I reminded him who Rufus was.....

If I was going to dream about another guy his name sure as hell wouldn't be RUFUS....


....still love ya Rufie!!!!
 

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Posted by trade04 on :
 
LOL at jenna
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
-thx ~
...dog will buy a STATE somewhere!
 

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Posted by Jenna on :
 
Chart- good for you- just remember half is New2's!!!
 

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Posted by Jenna on :
 
Goin' out for breakfast - see ya all in a bit........
 

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Posted by bigpoppa on :
 
Guys whats up with VMDG ticker not moving at all??
 

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Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Haha Jenna, dreamin about that southern boy will get you in trouble with your man!!
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Cat? You back home now? Seein' the snow?
 

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Posted by 66inxs on :
 
i guess i'm awful but i have already planned an extended vacation if this works out. but a word of caution here, from all of the talk about retiring etc the pps will plummet like a rock if we all cash in to realize our dreams - a run for the border.
 

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Posted by new2stocks on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Chart- good for you- just remember half is New2's!!!

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LOL....yeah right.
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
I'm liking the LOW volume!

--the right PR now and look out!

[hint-hint, nug-nug Rufus! ]
 

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Posted by SherriT on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
-thx ~
...dog will buy a STATE somewhere!

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quote:

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Originally posted by 10of13:
Cat? You back home now? Seein' the snow?

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Nope, i come home this Thursday. What snow?
 

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Posted by SherriT on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by 66inxs:
i guess i'm awful but i have already planned an extended vacation if this works out. but a word of caution here, from all of the talk about retiring etc the pps will plummet like a rock if we all cash in to realize our dreams - a run for the border.

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I dunno - if we are on the NAZ, I suspect the institutions will be picking up a good portion of the slack. I am not going to sell all, even if it goes sky high....
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
if everything that we think is possible with this stock happens. Then I'll sell some and probably live off the divi's for the rest of my life.
 

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Posted by mo-rydr on :
 
Actually I think that Rufus is expecting a lot of shares to change hands to the 'big money' people after the move to NASDAQ.
 

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Posted by Doniboy on :
 
We got no rise so far for the E being thrown out. That is Odd
 

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Posted by TimW on :
 
finance.yahoo is showing financial report from saturday.. but it appears to be a little fubared due to the e being off.

anyone know what this was that was filed saturday?
 

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Posted by frank021474 on :
 
This is interesting- Barchart shows CSHD with "NASDAQQ4" instead of OTC

Here is CSHD (Remove space after q)
http://q uote.barchart.com/quote.asp?sym=CSHD&code=BEURS

Here is PAIV (OTC stock)
http://qu ote.barchart.com/quote.asp?sym=pavc&code=BEURS
 

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Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
The beast is not being feed........the mm's are between the proverbial rock and a hard place......
 

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Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Well, i have to run. 5pm here!

Dont do anything crazy while im gone!! LOL
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by wallymac:
Portman,

Interesting and very real possibility.

As far as the MM's passing air shares, from the looks of the recent volume I'd say that is drying up quickly. Technically they cannot short the stock until they are off the SHO threshold report. As I said Technically. So it doesn't mean that they have stopped but I'm sure that it has slowed considerably.

GLTA
Wally

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quote:

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"Regulation SHO does not require close-outs of "grandfathered" fails. As noted above, "grandfathered" status applies where the fail position was established prior to the security becoming a threshold security. However, any new fails in a security on the threshold list are subject to the mandatory close-out provisions."

What this is saying is that all the FTD's that were passed out BEFORE we went on the SHO list are "grandfathered" -looked over if you will.

But the kicker is the last line: "However, any new fails in a security on the threshold list are subject to the mandatory close-out provisions."

Or in other words... Any NEW FTD's will have to be cleaned up, under SHO it's 3 days I believe. So yes they can and ARE shorting it. That's NOT an opinion...

Here's how we know...
Those who have technical indicators pull up your charts and a "Accumulation/Distribution" Indicator along with Full Stochastoc 10/3/10.

What Acc/Distr. Indicator does:
A momentum indicator which tries to gauge supply and demand by discovering if investors are generally “Accumulating” (buying) or “Distributing” (Selling) a certain stock by identifying divergences between stock price and volume flow. It is calculated using the following formula:

Acc/Dist = ((Close – Low) – (High – Close)) / (High – Low) * Period's volume

Now, KNOWING what this indicator does is the key, now when you put a "Full Stochastic" indicator below it, you can CLEARLY see when Stochastic DIPS so does the Acc/Dist. indicator.

Look at the stock NXG on a YEAR/daily chart.
The middle of May there was a dip, ALL my indicators weakened JUST LIKE THEY "SHOULD."
*note Acc/Dist. is also POSITIVE.

Look at one more (IMPORTANT!)
Pull up a 6 month day chart on "ZION"
Notice the zero (neutral) line, the indicator
went negative around 7/10 when there was a selloff, when the uptrend started the Acc/Dist. line crosses back to the POSITIVE, and the price went up! -Normal ~

Now let's pull up CSHD...
6 month day chart, notice that Acc/Dist is buried in the NEGATIVE! -22!
It went Negative when we ran UP in price!! (??)

On 7/18 while Stochastic and MACD went up, Acc/Dist. went down!

How the heck can that be?!! -It CAN'T!

Acc/Distr. measuresures “Accumulating” (buying) or “Distributing” (Selling) of a stock, and on 7/18 there were 20 million shares bought on a continued run of CSHD.

I believe Portman is right when he said that there is a bigger short position here then what we think, and that there may indeed be some bankrupt short people. With all the buying and holding and even the "No Flip" list that was started at HSM, we are STILL Negative as far as investors accumalating? Come on!...

The only way that could happen is with FTD's (Naked Shorts). IMO ~

Now pull up SSSU, another stock in the news doing a NOBO list and in war with naked shorts. Here the Acc/Dist. indicator was at -125 at one time!

Again, study the two "normal" stocks NXG and ZION, look how the charts SHOULD look, then pull up CSHD and SSSU and "SEE" what naked shorting does to the Acc/Distr. Indicator.

Look at ADOT.
ADOT appears to be on the move UP sometime soon.
Notice here that Stochastic has been in the "oversold" level for almost 3 months! Acc/Distr. has been rising up just like a plane taking off while Stochastic has been oversold,
again this is normal, CSHD, SSSU charts, -NOT normal.

What I just showed you will keep you out of stocks that are being Naked Shorted.

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Originally posted by frank021474:
This is interesting- Barchart shows CSHD with "NASDAQQ4" instead of OTC

Here is CSHD (Remove space after q)
http://q uote.barchart.com/quote.asp?sym=CSHD&code=BEURS

Here is PAIV (OTC stock)
http://qu ote.barchart.com/quote.asp?sym=pavc&code=BEURS

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Oh how I wish...
 

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Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
Tim....I do not find any new filings on the SEC website...last filing there is the amended 10KSB filed on October 19th.

http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?company=furia+organization+inc&CIK=&file num=&State=&SIC=&owner=include&action=getcompany

Don't know what is going on with Yahoo? .....

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Originally posted by TimW:
finance.yahoo is showing financial report from saturday.. but it appears to be a little fubared due to the e being off.

anyone know what this was that was filed saturday?

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Originally posted by Doniboy:
I'm sure that all the reporting agencies are having issues with the double name change happening. I wouldn't worry too much about it guys.

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Originally posted by new2stocks:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
After we get our shares, if this gets to just under $15 / share..I will be a millionaire!!! Have you guys figured your millionarie magic #?

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Well I won't be a millionare but I will be able to get myself out of debt and have some leftovers.

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I'm a little fish in the BIG SEA as well, but it will make the account green for a change
 

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Posted by CRab on :
 
Actually it's just (NASDAQ4)...I can't seem to find what that means though...

I've compared it to OTC and OTC:BB stocks...and they do indeed say OTC:BB if that is the exchange...I used SSSU as my example...

Google gives me no valid results for NASDAQ4...anyone have any clue? I think it's just some internal error code or something denoting the symbol change today...

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Originally posted by frank021474:
This is interesting- Barchart shows CSHD with "NASDAQQ4" instead of OTC

Here is CSHD (Remove space after q)
http://q uote.barchart.com/quote.asp?sym=CSHD&code=BEURS

Here is PAIV (OTC stock)
http://qu ote.barchart.com/quote.asp?sym=pavc&code=BEURS

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Originally posted by 66inxs:
"you don't count your money while you're sitting at the table, there will be time enough for counting when the day is done"

kenny rogers

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Yeah, we've all posted that before...and I certainly wouldn't spend a single dime, but I do believe in planning....you have to do some math to know if you want to sell or hold for tax implications. I am looking at it from that vantage point.

Speaking of DD, maybe that is something to dig into - the tax implications of the threshold reset? Anyone agree it is a worthy subject? If so, I will start digging...
 

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Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Don't Jinx us Sherri!!!!!!!!

Wow, a stock board where we all sit around singing Kenny Rogers tunes....This is surreal
 

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Posted by 66inxs on :
 
no truer words were ever spoken sherriT. i will start digging on this too as short term capital gains are a tax perference item subject to amt. it is almost november and too late in the year for some of us to create a big tax liability
 

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Posted by new2stocks on :
 

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Originally posted by Doniboy:
Don't Jinx us Sherri!!!!!!!!

Wow, a stock board where we all sit around singing Kenny Rogers tunes....This is surreal

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Carefull, we might have to start a new thread for that...
 

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Posted by mo-rydr on :
 
From Yahoo:

FURIA ORGANIZATION INC /DE/ Financials
EDGAR Online Financials (Sat, Oct 21)


That 'DE' indicates that this 'PR' is supposed to be coming from Germany I think.
 

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Posted by SherriT on :
 

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Originally posted by new2stocks:

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Originally posted by Doniboy:
Don't Jinx us Sherri!!!!!!!!

Wow, a stock board where we all sit around singing Kenny Rogers tunes....This is surreal

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Carefull, we might have to start a new thread for that...

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Originally posted by SherriT:

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Originally posted by 66inxs:
"you don't count your money while you're sitting at the table, there will be time enough for counting when the day is done"

kenny rogers

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Yeah, we've all posted that before...and I certainly wouldn't spend a single dime, but I do believe in planning....you have to do some math to know if you want to sell or hold for tax implications. I am looking at it from that vantage point.

Speaking of DD, maybe that is something to dig into - the tax implications of the threshold reset? Anyone agree it is a worthy subject? If so, I will start digging...

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Originally posted by Doniboy:
Whats the link to the picture board?

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Originally posted by 66inxs:
exactly CRab. sales price less adjusted tax basis(cost plus any applicable commissions)= taxable long term or short term capital gain.

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Originally posted by SherriT:

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Originally posted by 66inxs:
exactly CRab. sales price less adjusted tax basis(cost plus any applicable commissions)= taxable long term or short term capital gain.

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Yes, but don't you pay less in the long term side than the short term? By enough percentage points that it makes a difference?

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Posted by SherriT on :
 
Thanks 66 and crab!
 

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Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Anyone else not see a trade since 12:00 *1.87?
 

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Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
FWIW...Tut did not start a thread on Allstocks over the weekend. He says it was an imposter. This is what I figured as it did not sound anything like him.

He also said that he has not posted his "big" message yet. He says that he is "still waiting" for the right moment.
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 

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Originally posted by frank021474:
Anyone else not see a trade since 12:00 *1.87?

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-trade? ... "What's that?!"

LOL
yeah CSHD's dry alright ~
 

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Posted by SherriT on :
 

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Originally posted by St. Matthew:
FWIW...Tut did not start a thread on Allstocks over the weekend. He says it was an imposter. This is what I figured as it did not sound anything like him.

He also said that he has not posted his "big" message yet. He says that he is "still waiting" for the right moment.

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Originally posted by milliam:
Ok, here's another of the NASDAQ4 situations. If you type in ALAN it comes back with the 4 on the end. Doing some investigating, ALAN is no longer a valid symbol and its been changed to ALAND.

Following this, JDSU also gives the 4 and it is not longer a valid symbol.

This still doesn't make sense, but so far its all I've found on this.

Could we actually be halted now, CSHD be no longer valid and a new NASDAQ symbol (CSHC?) be coming? Ahh, lunchtime dreams!

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No rumor is dispelled, check out FMLY
 

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Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Still no transactions- or Bid/Ask updates
 

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Posted by mo-rydr on :
 
Maybe halt was scheduled for 12:00

Now there's one at 12:27
 

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Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
MM's jsut eyeballing each other.....wondering when the trigger is going to be squeezed??????
Wonder waht the flies on the wall are seeing right now?

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Originally posted by frank021474:
Anyone else not see a trade since 12:00 *1.87?

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Originally posted by milliam:
Ok, FMLY comes up as NASDAQ4, but its invalid and the symbol has been changed to FMLYE according to Yahoo.

Looks like we got a trade at 12:27.

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Originally posted by milliam:
Ok, FMLY comes up as NASDAQ4, but its invalid and the symbol has been changed to FMLYE according to Yahoo.

Looks like we got a trade at 12:27.

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Originally posted by 10of13:
Sounds like any symbol that has had an E or delisted recently is getting that response...chances are it's nothing..and it simply shows that way because of the late filing and the E being rmoved...

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Looks like you're exactly right 10. Pretty much every symbol listed on the delinquent list comes up with the 4. I agree...its probably nothing.
 

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Posted by CRab on :
 
averaging a whole 1100 or so shares a minute...

I cannot imagine what a big buyer would do to this right now...
 

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Posted by new2stocks on :
 
http://www2.barchart.com/support/faq.asp

This says what the 4 means...
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
darn... just a late filing.. ~
 

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Posted by milliam on :
 

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Originally posted by new2stocks:
http://www2.barchart.com/support/faq.asp

This says what the 4 means...

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
wtf?!!

Leave it to YOu to find something liek that new2!

Let's hope!
But not getting hopes up...
Is there any way to check on this?!...

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I'm checking into this.
 

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Posted by milliam on :
 
Why would the barcharts guy know if we're going to the big board? I sure like the idea, but I've got big doubts on this one.

Thanks for bringing it over though, New2!
 

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Posted by CRab on :
 
haha...thats not exactly a little deal, lol...

would our brokers have any knowledge of this? meaning if we called and bugged them would they divulge that info? well I guess there is only one way to find out...
 

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Posted by bigstocks on :
 
Thanks New2. Let the crappin begin.
 

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Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
Guys...its not True.....get over it

No NASDAQ tomorrow

get in your head
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 

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Originally posted by bigstocks:
Thanks New2. Let the crappin begin.

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Originally posted by CRab:
haha...thats not exactly a little deal, lol...

would our brokers have any knowledge of this? meaning if we called and bugged them would they divulge that info? well I guess there is only one way to find out...

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brokers would only know if they got connections.. or else, they'd just be like us..
but wow.. i hope it's not just a rumor.. i'll reserve to crap in my pants when it does happen..
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Jenna, sounds like Sabra needs to be called and asked...

Anyone got the phone #??
 

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Posted by Jenna on :
 
Chart - I will call Doc- his internet is down.....I'll see if he can call Sabra unless our friend Matty wants to.......
 

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Posted by new2stocks on :
 
ok I called barcharts....all NASDAQ4 means that that is where they are getting their feed of info from, that there was a change in symbol....doesn't necessarily mean we are going to NASD, just that there is a status change. COuld be because we lost the E....who knows, he said they will know after midnight tonight.
He also sounded VERY irritated and I asked if he was getting alot of calls and he said "YES TOO MANY!" lol
 

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Posted by dollar13 on :
 

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Originally posted by new2stocks:
ok not sure what to believe here.... FWIW

djtinman106
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Orange County, California
Posts: 122 Quote:
Originally Posted by LadyTrader
tanks1 from paltalk had the guy from barcharts on the phone and piped in the room for all to hear....he did say we will open on the big board tomorrow ......he said the listing will be updated by midnite ..and they receive their info direct feed from the NASDAQ


I just crapped in my pants

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Originally posted by new2stocks:
ok I called barcharts....all NASDAQ4 means that that is where they are getting their feed of info from, that there was a change in symbol....doesn't necessarily mean we are going to NASD, just that there is a status change. COuld be because we lost the E....who knows, he said they will know after midnight tonight.
He also sounded VERY irritated and I asked if he was getting alot of calls and he said "YES TOO MANY!" lol

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Originally posted by imapoorcollegestudent:
Alright,
I also called Barchart.com, talked to PETE. All they REALLY know is something is being changed, I even asked if it could be from delinquent OTCBB to nondelinquent OTCBB and he said yes that could be... so we have to wait for tonight... but before you hold your breath check out SEVI and SEVIE same thing as CSHD and CSHDE. But my ETRADE acount isn't bringing up any thing in Either CSHD and CSHDE as far as company info or PPS... so something is going on there...
That's all I know
Ima

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Guys- FWIW- I spoke with Scottrade a few days ago & asked them about the 6:1 shares. They said that the trasfer agent takes care of it...& that CSHD uses Integrity & Scotty's not familiar with Integrity so they don't know fast or efficient they are.....

So I just got to thinkin, let me call Integrity....

Just called Integrity, spoke with a lady & she verified that they are the transfer agent for Conversion Solutions.I told her about the 6:1 and she said she knew nothing about it & that they had not yet been contacted by anyone in the company. I then told her that they were supposed to be delivered by the 30th & asked if it was still possible to get them by the 30th if they hadn't been contacted yet- meaning how much time do they need & is it too late to get them by the 30th - she said that she couldn't comment on that because she doesn't even know what the plan is....

I hope it doesn't matter & that all he needs to do is notify them within a few days. My thought is that he can't let them know until he has the updated list from the 16th....don't you think that makes sense?

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The 30th is not a deadline for getting shares into our accounts. By setting a payment date of the 30th, some time was built in between the 16th and when they actually have to get the transfer agent the numbers. They might be able to get the shares allocated sooner but then there is the matter of getting the TA the info and the shares actually distributed to the shareholders.

Additionally, with all of the trouble from failures in this stock, don't be surprised to see at least some brokers take some extra time to ensure that these new shares are legit and accounted for.

However, I have always considered a move to NASDAQ a separate path than that of the share allocation and distribution. In fact, I would consider it no small bit of genius (albeit manipulative) to move to NASDAQ BEFORE we all get our shares, thereby encouraging a reduction in profit-taking due to the uncertainty of what selling might do to the reallocation formula for each of our accounts. In other words, many would hold for fear of selling and missing out on the windfall. I like it.

I am not suggesting any particular timeframe or certainty for a move to NASDAQ or the share distribution. In fact I personally feel that we could have a few more days of boredom. I just wanted to encourage people to think of the upcoming events a little less linearly as it could work out that way.

What I do believe is that once the chain of events starts it will be very busy and extremely fun to watch.

... In My humble Opinion
 

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Posted by new2stocks on :
 
barchart (800) 238-5814
 

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Posted by 66inxs on :
 
calling integrity. great dd jenna. wish i'd thought of that. interesting they don't know anything about the 6 for 1, ands its 10/23!!
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
-well as per St.Matt (and St.Matt's been very reliable), Tut says he does have some big news for us... "at the right time."

FWIW...

Wish we had a PR or something else to DD instead of waiting on him...
 

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Posted by Tmoney on :
 
we havent even got our shares, why go to nasdaq, i would rather wait for my additional shares
 

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Posted by Tmoney on :
 
something will happen but i dont plan on it till the end of this week, remember we are all camping
 

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Posted by Jenna on :
 
I figured it's about time I contribute something other than a picture... .........and by the way Humble, I wish I had just half your brain, you seem to see the picture just a little more clearer than the rest of us, as always thank you for your input!

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Originally posted by 66inxs:
calling integrity. great dd jenna. wish i'd thought of that. interesting they don't know anything about the 6 for 1, ands its 10/23!!

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Originally posted by imapoorcollegestudent:
Alright,
I also called Barchart.com, talked to PETE. All they REALLY know is something is being changed, I even asked if it could be from delinquent OTCBB to nondelinquent OTCBB and he said yes that could be... so we have to wait for tonight... but before you hold your breath check out SEVI and SEVIE same thing as CSHD and CSHDE. But my ETRADE acount isn't bringing up any thing in Either CSHD and CSHDE as far as company info or PPS... so something is going on there...
That's all I know
Ima

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Posted by Jenna on :
 
Humble - do you know how much advance notice a transfer agent needs before they issue shares?
 

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Posted by CRab on :
 
The manipulation on the scale we've seen it here doesn't occur on the NASDAQ...or so I've been led to believe...it probably does to a much lessor extent...

Thats the only rational reason I can come up with...and besides the NASDAQ move is a different event with regards to the share issuance...as our mysteriously level headed and well versed friend Humble pointed out...
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Always nice to hear from you HUMBLE.

I think I can get behind what you're saying...
 

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Posted by dollar13 on :
 

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Originally posted by new2stocks:
barchart (800) 238-5814

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EVERYONE IS BUSY just a answer machine , i leave my phone number and name anyway,

i am waiting
 

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Posted by new2stocks on :
 

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Originally posted by dollar13:

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Originally posted by new2stocks:
barchart (800) 238-5814

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EVERYONE IS BUSY just a answer machine , i leave my phone number and name anyway,

i am waiting

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Humble - do you know how much advance notice a transfer agent needs before they issue shares?

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Originally posted by humble:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Humble - do you know how much advance notice a transfer agent needs before they issue shares?

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Unfortunately I do not think the answer to that question has a regulatory answer. The TA is a private business and will serve its client as quickly as possible. If there are a lot of names, brokerage accounts, etc, to deal with this may take a few days.

This another reason I do not think that the allocation shares being in our account must definitely happen before the play moves on. Rufus has proven to this point that he attempts to minimize the risk of waiting on or being at the mercy of other entities/agencies. If he were going to sit back and wait for the TA and all of the brokerage houses to get everything settled, he would be putting the timing of the game on their shoulders. Does this sound like something he wants to do?

... In My humble Opinion

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:

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Originally posted by humble:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Humble - do you know how much advance notice a transfer agent needs before they issue shares?

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Unfortunately I do not think the answer to that question has a regulatory answer. The TA is a private business and will serve its client as quickly as possible. If there are a lot of names, brokerage accounts, etc, to deal with this may take a few days.

This another reason I do not think that the allocation shares being in our account must definitely happen before the play moves on. Rufus has proven to this point that he attempts to minimize the risk of waiting on or being at the mercy of other entities/agencies. If he were going to sit back and wait for the TA and all of the brokerage houses to get everything settled, he would be putting the timing of the game on their shoulders. Does this sound like something he wants to do?

... In My humble Opinion

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So you're saying don't get all freaked out if the new shares aren't there on the 30th?

-do you think they will be?...

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Originally posted by humble:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:

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Originally posted by humble:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Humble - do you know how much advance notice a transfer agent needs before they issue shares?

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Unfortunately I do not think the answer to that question has a regulatory answer. The TA is a private business and will serve its client as quickly as possible. If there are a lot of names, brokerage accounts, etc, to deal with this may take a few days.

This another reason I do not think that the allocation shares being in our account must definitely happen before the play moves on. Rufus has proven to this point that he attempts to minimize the risk of waiting on or being at the mercy of other entities/agencies. If he were going to sit back and wait for the TA and all of the brokerage houses to get everything settled, he would be putting the timing of the game on their shoulders. Does this sound like something he wants to do?

... In My humble Opinion

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So you're saying don't get all freaked out if the new shares aren't there on the 30th?

-do you think they will be?...

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The date is somewhat irrelevant. I do not expect the shares to be in my account before we change markets. As mentioned before, I can see a decided benefit in NOT having those shares hit our accounts in time to create a selloff on day one.

How long after the market change? Maybe 2-4 days depending on which house you use.

... In My humble Opinion

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
Thanks HUMBLE ~

Someone here mentioned that they sold their shares, it was after the 16th, are they still entitled to get their 6 shares per share when they are issued?

-any thoughts?..

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I am not sure about those who sold after the 16th. And this uncertainty is the exact advantage Rufus has on the selling pressure right now. Look at the volume right now. Clever.

... In My humble Opinion
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Ya know...nothing else has gone the way "we" think it should with this play...who's to say that Rufus still isn't going to come out and say OK..because of all the confusion with the filing...we're giving you until the end of business on the 30th to get in and then make the date that we actually get our shares later...sometime in November...perhaps as Humble has suggested...AFTER the move to NASDAQ
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
BTW...
I'm still LONG and Strong!!
 

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Posted by Jenna on :
 
Ok Guys I just left Sabra a message I told her that I just had a few questions for her & left her my #. We will see what happens...........to be continued..........
 

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Posted by humble on :
 

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Originally posted by SherriT:
Then again, Rufus has specified his reasons for doing the 6-for-1 were to create liquidity. If we are all holding the day it moves to the board, there won't be any shares for sale - on one hand, that could drive the price up, but on the other, shares would have to change hands, or you would lose the "hey I am new on the NASDAQ" interest...am I correct in this line of thinking or way off base in your opinions? [/QB]

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Good point. However, I see a difference between liquidity and inviting a mass sell-off of 1/7 of the floating shares. Keep in mind that there are millions of shares outstanding that are not in the hands of little investors. I could be wrong but there might be more in that pot than is sitting in ours right now.

If liquidity needs a boost the shares are there.

... In My humble Opinion
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Thank you Jenna ~
 

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Posted by trade04 on :
 
strugglin but holding up well... HOLD THOSE SHARES!!!
 

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Posted by T e x on :
 

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Originally posted by humble:

quote:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Humble - do you know how much advance notice a transfer agent needs before they issue shares?

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Unfortunately I do not think the answer to that question has a regulatory answer. The TA is a private business and will serve its client as quickly as possible. If there are a lot of names, brokerage accounts, etc, to deal with this may take a few days.

This another reason I do not think that the allocation shares being in our account must definitely happen before the play moves on. Rufus has proven to this point that he attempts to minimize the risk of waiting on or being at the mercy of other entities/agencies. If he were going to sit back and wait for the TA and all of the brokerage houses to get everything settled, he would be putting the timing of the game on their shoulders. Does this sound like something he wants to do?

... In My humble Opinion

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Originally posted by humble:

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Originally posted by SherriT:
Then again, Rufus has specified his reasons for doing the 6-for-1 were to create liquidity. If we are all holding the day it moves to the board, there won't be any shares for sale - on one hand, that could drive the price up, but on the other, shares would have to change hands, or you would lose the "hey I am new on the NASDAQ" interest...am I correct in this line of thinking or way off base in your opinions?

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Good point. However, I see a difference between liquidity and inviting a mass sell-off of 1/7 of the floating shares. Keep in mind that there are millions of shares outstanding that are not in the hands of little investors. I could be wrong but there might be more in that pot than is sitting in ours right now.

If liquidity needs a boost the shares are there.

... In My humble Opinion [/QB]

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Originally posted by SherriT:

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Originally posted by humble:

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Originally posted by SherriT:
Then again, Rufus has specified his reasons for doing the 6-for-1 were to create liquidity. If we are all holding the day it moves to the board, there won't be any shares for sale - on one hand, that could drive the price up, but on the other, shares would have to change hands, or you would lose the "hey I am new on the NASDAQ" interest...am I correct in this line of thinking or way off base in your opinions?

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Good point. However, I see a difference between liquidity and inviting a mass sell-off of 1/7 of the floating shares. Keep in mind that there are millions of shares outstanding that are not in the hands of little investors. I could be wrong but there might be more in that pot than is sitting in ours right now.

If liquidity needs a boost the shares are there.

... In My humble Opinion

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Agreed. With the low volume we have been seeing of late, I think the majority of the shares are going to be in the hands of people who were holding on the 16th, and those people will all receive the extra shares.

However, I think we are going to see somewhat of a sell off regardless of whether they hit the accounts before or after the move to the NASDAQ. If it is after, a board less manipulated should drive the price up, but once they hit, some shares are going to hit the market whether it is 1/7 or a larger amount. Conversely, if the shares reach our accounts before the move to the big board, people will hold knowing the NASDAQ is imminent, then sell the 1/7 or X amount once it debuts. The only question is what the price will be on the sell off IMHO.

FWIW, I do greatly appreciate your posts as well, humble... [/QB]

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