quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: And the wind just keeps blowing, on and on...
Damn, salesman can sure get down a pitch.......
Now who's way off point? Now who's talking about stuff that has nothing to do with PLNI from either a fundamental or technical perspective?
What's this salesman garbage? I live in a tiny one bedroom cheap apartment in the bad part of town with my wife and kid. I drive a 1991 Geo-Metro cause I'm a cheap skate and have the same pair of shoes from 3 years ago and I'm not in anyway affiliated with PLNI. But what does that have to do with anything? Rather than challenge the points I brought up and your head I've knocked around a little, you try and attack my character. I also found it absurd that you're the guy who accused me of going off topic with PLNI, and now you are the very one who continues to be off topic. I hate that when someone accuses someone else of doing the very things they do. What it tells me about your personality is that you frequently go off topic in these forums, and someone nailed you on it. They made such an effective point with you, that you remembered it because it hit home, and now you try and use it indiscriminately against other people.
In any event I can't take your personal ad-homen attacks against my character. It's sort of like having someone call you a "purple people eater". You're just like dude, you're lame.
quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: Suggestion Lance.
Know who it is you are talking to before you bash. LOL
Have fun bud.
I don't discriminate. But I'll make sure I file your helpful suggestion right along side that infamous letter from John Kerry who in it gave the helpful suggestion on being a better American, you should pay more taxes.
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Thanks for your insights, Lance. Ease up on the namecalling,though.
My big concerns are the MM's. They have an ax to grind with this company, they seem to act with spite. I'm hoping that we're finally at a level that they can start making money by letting this run.
I've been in this for about 11 months and have averaged down significantly in the last 2 weeks. I'm in this long, but have been extremely disappointed with management. All will be forgiven if I can make a few bucks though. GLTA. We deserve it.
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: Now, about the name-calling and insults?
I'm not kidding...
That's part of my personality. I realize this isn't corporate America, but when someone posts something stupid, I'm obliged to let them know how stupid it is, especially when it's framed in the context of an attack.
Someone in here has a tag that reads "Kick me, and I kick back harder." I like that, I can subscribe to that.
Regarding the "bullish" nature of this thread, there's is such a thing as being respectful. If another man starts a thread about ABC, and you come in and start talking about DEF, that's disrespectful. Go start your own thread about DEF.
The same thing goes with stocks. Anybody can argue any side of a stock, either long or short. Go back and look at the progression of messages in this thread. Notice how kind and thoughtful I am concerning any sincere questions. But then, notice the bashers who swarm like bees who post in succession (may be the same person with multiple aliases, have you checked the IP addresses?) right after each other.
Even you jumped on board with your absurd post about me trying to hype this stock to "peeps" as the purpose of this thread. Isn't calling newbies "peeps" name calling? That's a sort of derogative name.
If it's dumb, I'm gonna call it dumb. If you don't like it, then don't throw out absurd accusations like that in the first place.
If you want to remove me from this forum because of my strong personality, go ahead. In my book, it's a far greater crime to restrict the flow of free speech than it is to call someone stone head stupid for being stone head stupid.
It does seem absurd for you to step into a conversation where I'm knocking some of your buddies around who aggresively came into this thread with the intent of doing nothing but bashing this stock and the people who hold this stock... and then for you, on familiarity grounds (because you've established prior relationships with these people), come in on their side by discounting everything I've posted on this stock by divulging my true purpose here in this thread which is to hype this stock to peeps. I found that more insulting than a 1,000 stupid, dumb, meathead, or what have you comments. Especially when the very title of this thread should show you that is not the intention. Who in their right mind would hype a stock by advertising the fact that a key support level has been broken? That's what I mean by stupid. I'm extremely disappointed with the level of intelligence and the down right hostility in this forum. Being respectful to another man means that if you want to bash PLNI, you start another thread where you go off on some seperate topic bashing PLNI.
And don't try and frame this as we are all here just having a conversation about PLNI in an open way. Bull. I can tell you that in my short time here in this forum here are some key things occur that go beyond just people having a conversation about PLNI: 1) Social gangs exist that argue points not on merits but simply because they are sticking up for a buddy (nothing to do with having an open and fair conversation about PLNI). 2) Moderators exist who base their decisions on how familiar they are with their buddies such as attempting to discount all my points by erroneously accusing someone of hyping a stock. And absurd attack simply to defend their "buddies". (again, nothing to do with PLNI) 3) People use multiple aliases to appear as if they are more than one person. When you go back and look at the english grammar and sentence constructs of a few messages in this thread, you notice how very similar some messages are. In true populus based message forums, you have many different types of sentence constructs and grammar usage. It is almost impossible to post a message and not have someone trained in english linguistics such as I, pick up the fact that this is not someone else at all. People can and do have multiple e-mails, and some know how to use relays to mask their IP addresses, and some have multiple aliases for their multiple personalities I guess. In any event none of this has to do with PLNI. 4) Extremely disrespectful actions because most people hide behind aliases. You have everyone posting in this thread hiding behind an alias. Using an alias has a negative psychological effect on the person posting. Extremely disrepectful actions are carried out by social gangs based on familiarity because of that alias name. A good analogy is if I'm on a street corner, and I'm pro-life and having a pro-life awareness campaign going on. Now if pro-abortion people want to have a campaign going on as well, they can set up shop across the street. It's only when those two groups start to disrespect each other and come together, when clashing starts. The same is played out in a message forum. If I start a thread, I'm running the show in that thread. I organized the event. And other people are passing by and can choose to converse with me about what I'm talking about, or they can choose to go across the street and have their little pow-wow over there in another thread. The reason this respectful situation works is that people are not hiding behind masks. If you take an abortion rally and a pro-life rally, put them across the street from each other and have them protesting, nothing will happen beyond shouts here and there. Now if you take both camps, and put them all behind masks both the pro-life people and pro-abortion people, I guarantee you just increased the odds of a violent confrontation between the two groups. There's something about an alias/mask that brings out the bad side of people, perhaps because their integrity and character is not on the line because they are in a perpetual state of "hiding". You have the same sitution here, men not respecting other men and the threads they start. Coming in with masks, hiding behind aliases, or in some cases with multiple aliases, and posting disrespectful accusations. It's highschool re-visited. Until you can pull people out of the dark, and into the light to where there reputation is on the line, you are asking for trouble with alias names. Again, this has nothing to do with PLNI. 5) People made moderators without proper education and/or training. They feel a lack of control in their personal life, and so get an ego boost out of being a moderator and exercising control in a message forum. They have to work for a boss, be told what to do, maybe their home life their wife tells them what to do. A key sign is a moderator siding with those whom he has become familiar with overtime, rather than being able to objectively view the merits of a message. Again, nothing to do with PLNI.
So don't try and frame this as people just simply coming together to talk about stocks and to openly debate the stock's merits. There's a lot of sub-currents going on here.
I mean how absurd is it to have a guy hiding behind an alias name of Tex accuse me of hyping a dead stock I own to peeps? Why the hell would I want to come into a forum that was ran by someone who accused me of that? Especially being that the title of the very thread is about PLNI breaking a support level. How absurd is it to have someone called Dustoff101 accuse me of being an employee of Plasticon, a salesman for PLNI. If this guy wasn't hiding behind an alias/mask, and tried to accuse me of that in person, I'd punch his lights out.
It's just dumb stupid stuff by a bunch of people hiding behind aliases, all of it having nothing to do with PLNI.
It took me a whole 5 days to figure out what this forum is about.
So if you want to remove me for calling some of the people who engage in these things as stupid and dumb for saying stupid and dumb things, go ahead, I won't be loosing any sleep over it.
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now that we got that out of the way... Why start a thread... ANOTHER thread about PLNI? This thread seems to be hinting that PLNI is trying to reverse?.. Chart suggests it is just weak.. not oversold and miles away from breaking any descending trend lines.. so why even bring it up? You think it is somehow a good idea to throw a little money at it? Why? Your own analysis shows the stock is far from bottom...
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: Now, about the name-calling and insults?
I'm not kidding...
That's part of my personality. I realize this isn't corporate America, but when someone posts something stupid, I'm obliged to let them know how stupid it is, especially when it's framed in the context of an attack.
"personality" doesn't get you off the hook--sorry. If that were an out? We'd have chaos--not gonna happen.
Don't understand the "corporate America" analogy--much more formalized, restrained behavior required there than is required here. "Stupid posts"? There's a way to call 'em without resorting to a string of insults...
Someone in here has a tag that reads "Kick me, and I kick back harder." I like that, I can subscribe to that.
Regarding the "bullish" nature of this thread, there's is such a thing as being respectful. If another man starts a thread about ABC, and you come in and start talking about DEF, that's disrespectful. Go start your own thread about DEF.
if you're saying ABC=bullish thread and DEF=bearish thread, sorry once again. Not the way it works. At this point, this *is* the PLNI thread. We won't have multiple threads on same stock; one in appropriate price-thread, one in Hot Stocks is about the range. We limit "dupe" threads, for obvious reasons.
The same thing goes with stocks. Anybody can argue any side of a stock, either long or short. Go back and look at the progression of messages in this thread. Notice how kind and thoughtful I am concerning any sincere questions. But then, notice the bashers who swarm like bees who post in succession (may be the same person with multiple aliases, have you checked the IP addresses?) right after each other.
IP's are checked as necessary--please report any nicks you believe are multi-aliases.
Even you jumped on board with your absurd post about me trying to hype this stock to "peeps" as the purpose of this thread. Isn't calling newbies "peeps" name calling? That's a sort of derogative name.
my post not absurd--boils down your argument precisely. "peeps" common online vernacular, which I suspect you know: 1 point off for "begging the question." Please argue better...
If it's dumb, I'm gonna call it dumb. If you don't like it, then don't throw out absurd accusations like that in the first place.
again, not absurd. "dumb" might indicate "ignorant" or "not well thought out" -- my post is neither. Call 'em as you seem 'em--within bounds of board etiquette--but don't be surprised when you get called on it. Your argument skills are not very strong.
If you want to remove me from this forum because of my strong personality, go ahead. In my book, it's a far greater crime to restrict the flow of free speech than it is to call someone stone head stupid for being stone head stupid.
you may well be removed, I dunno. But it won't be for "strong personality." You're doing OK on the pumping cuz of the charts and modicum of argument. I'd say you're on thin ice re board etiquette... "crime/free speech": silly, this isn't the "public square"; this is a privately owned stock discussion group, similar to being in someone's workshop. You have a site, right? You should know that--more points off, lol.
It does seem absurd for you to step into a conversation
really? Man--you're gonna hate it here, then
where I'm knocking some of your buddies around who aggresively came into this thread with the intent of doing nothing but bashing this stock and the people who hold this stock...
didn't see that--I saw somebody destroy your argument about tying up capital
and then for you, on familiarity grounds (because you've established prior relationships with these people),
I've got "relationships" with lottsa folks here--if you focus that, you'll never get anything done
come in on their side by discounting everything I've posted on this stock by divulging my true purpose here in this thread which is to hype this stock to peeps. I found that more insulting than a 1,000 stupid, dumb, meathead, or what have you comments. Especially when the very title of this thread should show you that is not the intention.
title is one thing: conclusion re "new money" another--it's called a "red herring."
Who in their right mind would hype a stock by advertising the fact that a key support level has been broken? That's what I mean by stupid. I'm extremely disappointed with the level of intelligence and the down right hostility in this forum.
This may not be the place for you, agreed.
Being respectful to another man means that if you want to bash PLNI, you start another thread where you go off on some seperate topic bashing PLNI.
explained, already--plus "bashing" a loaded, emotional term: bringing up valid points and asking honest questions is not bashing but discussion--more points off.
And don't try and frame this as we are all here just having a conversation about PLNI in an open way. Bull. I can tell you that in my short time here in this forum here are some key things occur that go beyond just people having a conversation about PLNI: 1) Social gangs exist that argue points not on merits but simply because they are sticking up for a buddy (nothing to do with having an open and fair conversation about PLNI).
feel free to battle such injustice if/when encountered with sparkling, witty repartee--or whatever you can muster--within bounds of board etiquette.
2) Moderators exist who base their decisions on how familiar they are with their buddies such as attempting to discount all my points by erroneously accusing someone of hyping a stock. And absurd attack simply to defend their "buddies". (again, nothing to do with PLNI)
if you mean me, I'd be unable to rectify all the various, contrary viewpoints of the "buddies" I have...this is a discussion board, not a cult.
3) People use multiple aliases to appear as if they are more than one person. When you go back and look at the english grammar and sentence constructs of a few messages in this thread, you notice how very similar some messages are. In true populus based message forums, you have many different types of sentence constructs and grammar usage. It is almost impossible to post a message and not have someone trained in english linguistics such as I, pick up the fact that this is not someone else at all. People can and do have multiple e-mails, and some know how to use relays to mask their IP addresses, and some have multiple aliases for their multiple personalities I guess. In any event none of this has to do with PLNI.
again any help you can provide in this arena would be appreciated. "English linguistics"? really...
4) Extremely disrespectful actions because most people hide behind aliases. You have everyone posting in this thread hiding behind an alias. Using an alias has a negative psychological effect on the person posting. Extremely disrepectful actions are carried out by social gangs based on familiarity because of that alias name. A good analogy is if I'm on a street corner, and I'm pro-life and having a pro-life awareness campaign going on. Now if pro-abortion people want to have a campaign going on as well, they can set up shop across the street. It's only when those two groups start to disrespect each other and come together, when clashing starts. The same is played out in a message forum. If I start a thread, I'm running the show in that thread.
sorry, not the way it works--you might get away with that argument on an Off-Topic thread. But on a stock? Once established, the thread is open to discussion for all viewpoints. Perhaps you are thinking of I-hub, where paid members in effect "rent" space for a thread, which they can moderate to a degree, within their TOS agreement.
I organized the event. And other people are passing by and can choose to converse with me about what I'm talking about, or they can choose to go across the street and have their little pow-wow over there in another thread. The reason this respectful situation works is that people are not hiding behind masks. If you take an abortion rally and a pro-life rally, put them across the street from each other and have them protesting, nothing will happen beyond shouts here and there. Now if you take both camps, and put them all behind masks both the pro-life people and pro-abortion people, I guarantee you just increased the odds of a violent confrontation between the two groups. You have the same sitution here, men not respecting other men and the threads they start. Coming in with masks, hiding behind aliases, or in some cases with multiple aliases, and posting disrespectful accusations. It's highschool re-visited. Until you can pull people out of the dark, and into the light to where there reputation is on the line, you are asking for trouble with alias names. Again, this has nothing to do with PLNI. 5) People made moderators without proper education and/or training. They feel a lack of control in their personal life, and so get an ego boost out of being a moderator and exercising control in a message forum. They have to work for a boss, be told what to do, maybe their home life their wife tells them what to do. A key sign is a moderator siding with those whom he has become familiar with overtime, rather than being able to objectively view the merits of a message. Again, nothing to do with PLNI.
answered, I believe--if still unclear, lemme know.
So don't try and frame this as people just simply coming together to talk about stocks and to openly debate the stock's merits. There's a lot of sub-currents going on here.
I mean how absurd is it to have a guy hiding behind an alias name of Tex lottsa folks use nicks for privacy concerns. In my case, when I started posting, I thought everbody did. Was not aware of any "open ID" school of thought. The Webmaster knows my real ID. Afraid you're bucking an overwhelming practice here. Most folk use nicks. Simple.
accuse me of hyping a dead stock I own to peeps? Why the hell would I want to come into a forum that was ran by someone who accused me of that? Especially being that the title of the very thread is about PLNI breaking a support level. How absurd is it to have someone called Dustoff101 accuse me of being an employee of Plasticon, a salesman for PLNI. If this guy wasn't hiding behind an alias/mask, and tried to accuse me of that in person, I'd punch his lights out.
you might, you might not--will agree you might try. Larger point? When you don't argue well, you're open to such interpretations. In my own case, I had to ask you repeatedly to clear up the confusion re a post in which you seemed to be announcing that you are an MM.
It's just dumb stupid stuff by a bunch of people hiding behind aliases, all of it having nothing to do with PLNI.
It took me a whole 5 days to figure out what this forum is about.
slow learner? I'm not always "quick," either. Pretty thorough, though.
So if you want to remove me for calling some of the people who engage in these things as stupid and dumb for saying stupid and dumb things, go ahead, I won't be loosing any sleep over it.
Trained in language skills? One would assume you would avoid the commonly seen mistake of confusing "loosing" (as in dogs of war) with "losing" (as in your credibility).
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Lance,sidebar: Gotta 'splain the GEO comment...
That salesman showed up in a Porche, his office called earlier to see if he had arrivied, they said he drives a GEO...When arriving and then when leaving after trying like all get out to sell me the windows I walked with him to look at the Porche..He said he generaly drives the GEO so potential clients wouldn't think he was rich..
The drive to the coast? he just had to drive the Porche...I told him it wasn't the Porche it was the cost and quality of the product that killed the deal..OK, back to it..
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