quote:Originally posted by MELON: Funny how I can ask very valid and legitimate questions. yeah I copied them but I WANT the answers too. Liquid how can you possibly call Mario an action man. Action would imply he is actually doing somthing. If you mean Action as in issuing press releases - you are bang on my friend. However the body of those news releases are nothing but promises of very vague proportions of possible things with nameless people and companies that might or might happen in the future. Often they are reepeats of previous releases, contradict previous releases or delay previous promises.
Mario is no action man. The confusion around the club is simple - He has used 6 different spellings of the club the last 8 times he has issued mews surrounding it. Just thought I would clear that up.
quote:Originally posted by MELON: Funny how I can ask very valid and legitimate questions. yeah I copied them but I WANT the answers too. Liquid how can you possibly call Mario an action man. Action would imply he is actually doing somthing. If you mean Action as in issuing press releases - you are bang on my friend. However the body of those news releases are nothing but promises of very vague proportions of possible things with nameless people and companies that might or might happen in the future. Often they are reepeats of previous releases, contradict previous releases or delay previous promises.
Mario is no action man. The confusion around the club is simple - He has used 6 different spellings of the club the last 8 times he has issued mews surrounding it. Just thought I would clear that up.
Exactly! I thought this response was funny that "whizknock" said:
quote:Originally posted by whizknock: Welcome T-man!
Been here since July 24th & now waiting for smart money to realise this thing is actually worth aprox 10 cents a share. So far Mario has followed through on what he's said. Some of us believe he's setting this thing up for a run from the one cent range. You're here at the right time!
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Looks like melon's spelling is just as gooood. Maybe YOU should proof read your "PR's" also. Or maybe you can work for Mario and write them for him . Just havin fon. Foun. FUN.
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Melon - May I suggest that you do your own due dilligence and resolve or at least narrow down your questions. I have not the time nor energy to do your work for you and I suspect no one else does either. If you have a question or three well that's ok but please don't ask us to convince you that MLON is the place for you to put your money. Every investor should make decisions on where to put their money on their own.
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quote:Originally posted by MELON: See this post - Mario has delieverd one Divvy and it is worthless. I am looking over this thread and I see a lot of hype where posters have talked to the CEO etc and "heard" rumours. Don't you think that this type of behaviour is much more destructive that a poster asking legitmate questions. In that list every single question is very valid. A company with niothing to hide would have each and every one of those questions answered within publicly available info and/or within the body of the news releases.
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quote:Originally posted by surfer0420: ive been a shareholder of record on past two divys, and ive yet to recieve anything.
Then you need to check with your broker. One thing about Mario he always comes through with the divys. I as many other have our shares.
There you go again making quotes and using other people in your crapo post. Can't you get anything original or right. Sorry, I forgot you don't write your own stuff you get it from "Basher Central" FLUSH FLUSH FLUSH!!!!!!!
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Boletus, NO DD in the public domain can asnwer the questions. That is the point. Those questions should not be needed. IE: when a company says they will file by a certain date and do anot and do update the public then that is already a breach of SEC rules. the list is very long but 4 IPOs promised - all just forgotton. MY DD is extensive and there is a lot of stuff I refuse to post. I am afraid that this will be halted temporarily or permenantly so the SEC can verify some of the statements. GLTUA
quote:Originally posted by Boletus: Melon - May I suggest that you do your own due dilligence and resolve or at least narrow down your questions. I have not the time nor energy to do your work for you and I suspect no one else does either. If you have a question or three well that's ok but please don't ask us to convince you that MLON is the place for you to put your money. Every investor should make decisions on where to put their money on their own.
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Yes I am quoting your HYPE. Mario always comes through with the divvy's. How can you possibly say that he still hasn't followed up on the DEc 17th Divvy with any details. Yeaahhh you got WLSC - his shell which you sell for a penny and if you had 10,000 WLSC you could get $100. SO you would have needed to have 2 million MLON on the record date.
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quote:Then you need to check with your broker. One thing about Mario he always comes through with the divys. I as many other have our shares. [/qb]
[/qb][/QUOTE]There you go again making quotes and using other people in your crapo post. Can't you get anything original or right. Sorry, I forgot you don't write your own stuff you get it from "Basher Central" FLUSH FLUSH FLUSH!!!!!!! [/QB][/QUOTE]
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Once again I will ask the question. why is it that many posters can hype and pat Mario on the back and talk about rumours but when one poster wants to know some answers to some mysteries that its bashing? seems very hypocritical.
Remember I have no position or vested interest in this stock. I am just ashemd at the markets and amused by this - Actually I am shocked that it is allowed to happen and flabbergasted that supposedly intelligent adults beleive this story. Any reasonable person would come to only one conclusion but hwne the $$$$ signs get in the way the vision becomse blurred. I realize that 10 Million shares would make you a millionaire. I used to play with my spreadsheets too LOL.
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If you don't own mlon, then just move on. We could careless about your stupid post. And even if you do own we still could careless about your post.
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quote:Originally posted by MELON: Once again I will ask the question. why is it that many posters can hype and pat Mario on the back and talk about rumours but when one poster wants to know some answers to some mysteries that its bashing? seems very hypocritical.
Remember I have no position or vested interest in this stock. I am just ashemd at the markets and amused by this - Actually I am shocked that it is allowed to happen and flabbergasted that supposedly intelligent adults beleive this story. Any reasonable person would come to only one conclusion but hwne the $$$$ signs get in the way the vision becomse blurred. I realize that 10 Million shares would make you a millionaire. I used to play with my spreadsheets too LOL.
Because: You are NOT HERE FOR ANSWERS, you are here to BASH. Face it.
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quote:Originally posted by MELON: Remember I have no position or vested interest in this stock. I am just ashemd at the markets and amused by this - Actually I am shocked that it is allowed to happen and flabbergasted that supposedly intelligent adults beleive this story.
Melon have you never been screwed by an investment? Have you never made an investment that took longer to produce fruit then you had initially predicted. You seem either incredibly fortunate or extremely naive. Changing plans are par for the course.
If there is a mistake being made let us make it and learn from it. Your concerns are duly noted.
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quote:Originally posted by MELON: Once again I will ask the question. why is it that many posters can hype and pat Mario on the back and talk about rumours but when one poster wants to know some answers to some mysteries that its bashing? seems very hypocritical.
Remember I have no position or vested interest in this stock. I am just ashemd at the markets and amused by this - Actually I am shocked that it is allowed to happen and flabbergasted that supposedly intelligent adults beleive this story. Any reasonable person would come to only one conclusion but hwne the $$$$ signs get in the way the vision becomse blurred. I realize that 10 Million shares would make you a millionaire. I used to play with my spreadsheets too LOL.
Melons you obviously have a vested interest in this stock or you wouldn't waste the time here your posts are quite naive, you expect integrity in the markets? there is none...nowhere...never was grow up go find us a pick to make some money, do you know how to do that? or at the very minimum post with some STYLE you are just repeating yourself and other posts from RB or some other nuthouse ...
Mario does need to stop talking to the stockholders directly and he does need to stop PR'ing forward looking statements, he has been trying to keep the PPS of his stock from getting cellar-boxed, so have we, i don't blame him...if you succeed in your mission of destruction, he will have to do a RS or something else to keep it out of the dreaded .0001/.0002---if he's DUMPING quit yakking about it and show the data...it's trading...
there are so many stocks that really are just RS machines, and printing presses why not go slam them?
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Originally posted by travman: Here is my math, let me know if I am way off. I am not understanding this: 3,000,000 million shares of ERDTF (@ $19) = $57,000,000
$45,000,000/3,000,000 shares = $15 (value of stock for this deal)
500,000,000 shares of MLON (@$ 0.001) is $500,000
$45,000,000/500,000,000 shares = $0.09 (value of stock for this deal)
So this deal went through with MLON valued at $0.09???
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By: stervc 21 Dec 2004, 11:10 AM EST Msg. 133843 of 134374 Jump to msg. # MLON*Parallel Valuation* please review...
Once again, I love the news that MLON keeps putting out. Although there are some things about MLON's validity that might be questionable, there are some things that we must consider that are less questionable or even at all to some. I do think I see where they are getting their logic of MLON being worth .10 to .15 cents. These are only my thoughts as to what I see as some options for consideration. I will end this post with some thoughts on how I interpreted the latest press releases (PRs) and the power behind the possibility of a cash dividend to make sure you understand if released in the upcoming PRs from MLON.
Before reading any further, understand that I am not saying whether or not I believe in MLON. I am just saying that it doesn't matter what I think. We must "mostly" realize that it doesn't matter what “you” or I think about MLON or any other stock. It's what the market thinks about MLON or the stock at hand. The average investor does not invest in a company from actually going to visit the company first hand or talking to them, but instead from the standard form of literature available to the public for viewing through PRs, filings, etc. This is how the masses decide whether to invest or not in a stock. These groups of investors usually invest not based on facts alone (if they exist), but also on potential that is brought out by the company (or others) for all to consider.
With that said, MLON has put out the most powerful PRs that any penny stock has ever put out during my entire tenure of investing since the 1990's in my opinion. Because of such, I must say that I do believe in MLON enough to take the risk for what it has to offer us investors. If it was truly a pump and dump, I think we would have already been back at .0002 cents by now.
What is happening here with MLON is something that I was suspecting to happen with CMKX. Yes, the price going up is good, but I was referring to something I made up called Parallel Valuation (PV). When you get some time and after first finishing this post, come back to read the link below to see how it was derived from my old CMKX/SGGM thoughts for a further understanding. http://www.ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB01219&read=109280
Parallel Valuation (PV) is when we have a "dividend exchange" taking place to create this new type of valuation. This dividend is two-sided and not one-sided as like most dividends. This causes a valuation to be placed on each of the stocks exchanging dividends from the price of the other. This correlation exists because of the two companies exchanging dividends in each other and not just one company giving the dividend to the other without the other not receiving a dividend in return which is usually the norm.
Due to the exchanging of dividends each stock will trade as a subsidiary under each other causing a direct correlation in valuation even past the date of record for the dividends. So, the increase and decrease of a stock would have a direct correlation with the price of the other.
Let's look at the agreement between ERDTF which we will use the closing price of $19.00 for ERDTF and of .0023 cents for MLON on the day of this transaction this past Friday, 17 Dec 04.
** 3,000,000 shares of ERDTF x $19.00 per share = $57,000,000 in value
** 500,000,000 shares of MLON x .0023 cent(s) = $1,150,000 in value
That means that somebody believes enough in MLON to tell them that if MLON gives them $1,150,000 in their value, they will give them $57,000,000 in its value and do so because they feel that they are doing so at a discounted rate. Nobody does a deal under the assumption that it is transacting its deal at a premium. This means that our shares of MLON are significantly undervalued until its $1,150,000 value reaches the value of $57,000,000 value of ERTDF. This is the point of equilibrium.
Now the question would be: How do we determine a fair price to purchase MLON for a fair risk until it reaches that point of equilibrium that's compatible with its dividend exchanged stock, ERDTF? There are a few ways to see this. Let's see…
As of Friday, 17 Dec 04 we’ll use since the day of consummation for the deal:
The point of equilibrium for the price of MLON is what we are trying to determine for knowing when MLON will reach such with ERDTF at $19.00 per share. The base total to use here is $57,000,000 as the point of equilibrium as derived from the example above. Let's solve for "X" to see how we must view this to see where MLON should be bought up to for reaching the point of equilibrium.
Key Variables for Resolution X = Equilibrium price of MLON Shares of MLON Exchanged = 500,000,000 The Equilibrium Value of ERDTF = $57,000,000
Solve for X,
500,000,000 x X = $57,000,000 X = $57,000,000 ÷ 500,000,000 X = .114 cents
This means that 500,000,000 shares of MLON at .114 cents is where the equivalent value of (500,000,000 x .114 = $57,000,000) needs to be to capture equilibrium with the value of ERDTF at the time the deal was completed (or made known to the public). If the point of equilibrium is .114 cents from these thoughts, this means that any shares of MLON bought under .114 cents is considered undervalued.
I think this is how the company is seeing the value in itself. This means that the value of MLON is .114 cents from the ERDTF deal alone. From the Western minerals/PRMN deal, I calculated it to be .01 to .02 cents with using the same logic for solution as above. This gives MLON even more value giving MLON the official justification to show why they think they are worth .10 to .15 cents. Keep in mind this does not include the 10,000,000 shares of RRBK at $14.75 per share that they own or the $45,000,000 in assets or any other previous or future deals that they have on the table for continued enhancement of MLON valuation. RRBK link from Money…made: http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=MLON&read=19843 I think this is why they see that they will start entertaining offers at .10 cents per share.
So, why is Mario doing all of this hyping as many have termed it? Well let's see. The market is one big pool of a Network Marketing concept meaning that it reacts because of "word of mouth," getting the word out for people to buy shares in your stock. If you released huge news and nobody even knew of your existence, your stock would not move. Stocks do not trade in the market to not get investor attention, but instead because of trying to gain investor attention.
The way the attention is being built to a climax with MLON to bring and enhance investor confidence is very well orchestrated. All they have to do is deliver the “key” substance as it appears that MLON is building key announcements to be made at the price obtainment of .01 cent.
Since the Float is low with ERDTF, it wouldn't take much buying power to make it run even higher enhancing the value of MLON along the way. Money could be strategically placed into ERDTF to enhance the Parallel Valuation in MLON to get it jumpstarted towards rectifying the covering process, if any naked short problem exists. This would give us two floats, the legitimate and illegitimate floats. If enough of the "illegitimate float" have been absorbed (or eliminated), then MLON could run a lot higher and faster to enhance the Parallel Valuation more than what ERDTF would do because of the larger consideration for percentage gains. There is actually more to this which is actually too much to explain for now. Heck, this post is already gonna be long enough long enough. LOL
As you can see, MLON would be significantly undervalued and an immediate proportioned valuation should be placed into MLON as compared to the price of ERDTF because of Parallel Valuation. Let's make better sense of this for a better understanding.
1 share of ERDTF would cost you $19.00 per share. To get a better understanding of the power of Parallel Valuation, we must determine how much an equivalent price of MLON shares would be for that 1 share of ERDTF.
This means that the 167 number is the MLON share price multiple to use to determine this other point of equilibrium to see how it relates to Parallel Valuation. This means that 167 shares of MLON theoretically equates to 1 share of ERDTF. To further explain the importance.
1 share of ERDTF @ $19.00 = 167 shares of MLON @ .0023 cent(s)
1(ERDTF) x $19.00 = 167(MLON) x .0023
$19.00 = .3841
Price paid for 1 share of ERDTF = $19.00 Price paid for 167 shares of MLON = .38 cents at .0023
This is like you giving me .38 cents and me giving you back $19.00 in return. This means that MLON should be bought up to where the price of MLON x 167 equates to $19.00 for the 1 share of ERDTF. That would be the .114 cents that we talked about earlier. As you see that .114 cents x 167 would roughly give you the $19.00 per share equivalency of ERDTF. This is another way of determining the point of equilibrium. MLON would be considered under valued until such .114 cents point of equilibrium has been obtained.
quote:Originally posted by jordanreed: robg-thats not a very nice thing to say. i believe you are wrong-
Just be lucky you don't hang out in the QBID thread where you have to listen to him say "All we ever had to do is launch!" everytime he posts.
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whizknock has been here since July 24th & hasn't sold one share. I have a GTC sell order in the nickel range & will hold a core position for any crazy moves past that. I'm looking for this to run from the penny range over the next six months to maybe a dime & beyond.
As to whether I'm a pumper or not all I know is that I'm honest in so far as I'll tell anyone up front I own this stock & want it to go up in value. I will continue to post anything positive about this stock in the hopes that new people see it & to remind others what may be in store.
What I won't do is post a bunch of negative stuff & lies like a basher does to get people to sell & take a loss so the basher can make a fraction of a penny gain every other day.
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ya know--i've always enjoyed whizknocks posts. and i agree with his attitude and what he says about mlon. also-- his qbid posts are right on too.---so there!
quote:Originally posted by Doctoall: OFF Topic: New PR related to UCAD/USCA posted on the CMKX board if interested.
You're in CMKX too?! Good luck! ouch.
Rob: I got into Cmkx at 0.0001, just about where it is now, no use giving the shares away, and not into it for much. I have had this stock for a long time. So no big loss either way.
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quote:Originally posted by ONTHEAIR: Lostone....TRT knows nothing!!He's an idiot!
quote:Originally posted by lostone: some guy on RB predicted that this friday will move.. it's the same guy that knows about the PR's before they come out.. so.. Friday is probably the day
I have to agree, that TRT guy is the most ridiculous poster I have ever seen on a bulletin board. If he happens to be right, it is nothing more than a lucky guess.
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Whiz- Don't let them bother you. I just hope I get back in before the financials are released. We all know this is going to run. I think it has a little more pulling back to do first, but it will take off soon.
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quote:Originally posted by kbpkt: Whiz- Don't let them bother you. I just hope I get back in before the financials are released. We all know this is going to run. I think it has a little more pulling back to do first, but it will take off soon.
Anymore of a pullback & I'll buy more too! Thanks.
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grow up go find us a pick to make some money, do you know how to do that? or at the very minimum post with some STYLE ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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