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hey,, i am trying to get on the mellon bus,, i have been reading all the info i could on this company,, i just signed up at AMERITRADE,, but i cant buy penny stocks till next tuesday the 11th,,,,,,, i am hoping this stock dont jump to far ahead of me here,,, do yous think it will still be at this good of a low price come next tuesday,,, i just want in, in the worst kind of way, haha,,,,
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If there is one thing I know....is that this MLON is ripe...I would never hold on to "this much - this long" if I didnt know it were going to go! Let all the nay-sayers rant and rave....but we are the ones making the money....my downline holds about 145 million shares...and we are all holding tight....because we know news is coming...and that this thing will skyrocket... PLUS WE ALL PAY OUR TITHES!!!
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I'm begining to think we don't need any luck. Mario has a plan & we're going to benifit. Must admit I'm not totally sure what his plan is but it's looking like he will buy a company, do a reverse merger, change the name & get us listed on a major exchange all in one fell swoop!
Originally posted by travman: Here is my math, let me know if I am way off. I am not understanding this: 3,000,000 million shares of ERDTF (@ $19) = $57,000,000
$45,000,000/3,000,000 shares = $15 (value of stock for this deal)
500,000,000 shares of MLON (@$ 0.001) is $500,000
$45,000,000/500,000,000 shares = $0.09 (value of stock for this deal)
So this deal went through with MLON valued at $0.09???
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By: stervc 21 Dec 2004, 11:10 AM EST Msg. 133843 of 134374 Jump to msg. # MLON*Parallel Valuation* please review...
Once again, I love the news that MLON keeps putting out. Although there are some things about MLON's validity that might be questionable, there are some things that we must consider that are less questionable or even at all to some. I do think I see where they are getting their logic of MLON being worth .10 to .15 cents. These are only my thoughts as to what I see as some options for consideration. I will end this post with some thoughts on how I interpreted the latest press releases (PRs) and the power behind the possibility of a cash dividend to make sure you understand if released in the upcoming PRs from MLON.
Before reading any further, understand that I am not saying whether or not I believe in MLON. I am just saying that it doesn't matter what I think. We must "mostly" realize that it doesn't matter what you or I think about MLON or any other stock. It's what the market thinks about MLON or the stock at hand. The average investor does not invest in a company from actually going to visit the company first hand or talking to them, but instead from the standard form of literature available to the public for viewing through PRs, filings, etc. This is how the masses decide whether to invest or not in a stock. These groups of investors usually invest not based on facts alone (if they exist), but also on potential that is brought out by the company (or others) for all to consider.
With that said, MLON has put out the most powerful PRs that any penny stock has ever put out during my entire tenure of investing since the 1990's in my opinion. Because of such, I must say that I do believe in MLON enough to take the risk for what it has to offer us investors. If it was truly a pump and dump, I think we would have already been back at .0002 cents by now.
What is happening here with MLON is something that I was suspecting to happen with CMKX. Yes, the price going up is good, but I was referring to something I made up called Parallel Valuation (PV). When you get some time and after first finishing this post, come back to read the link below to see how it was derived from my old CMKX/SGGM thoughts for a further understanding. http://www.ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB01219&read=109280
Parallel Valuation (PV) is when we have a "dividend exchange" taking place to create this new type of valuation. This dividend is two-sided and not one-sided as like most dividends. This causes a valuation to be placed on each of the stocks exchanging dividends from the price of the other. This correlation exists because of the two companies exchanging dividends in each other and not just one company giving the dividend to the other without the other not receiving a dividend in return which is usually the norm.
Due to the exchanging of dividends each stock will trade as a subsidiary under each other causing a direct correlation in valuation even past the date of record for the dividends. So, the increase and decrease of a stock would have a direct correlation with the price of the other.
Let's look at the agreement between ERDTF which we will use the closing price of $19.00 for ERDTF and of .0023 cents for MLON on the day of this transaction this past Friday, 17 Dec 04.
** 3,000,000 shares of ERDTF x $19.00 per share = $57,000,000 in value
** 500,000,000 shares of MLON x .0023 cent(s) = $1,150,000 in value
That means that somebody believes enough in MLON to tell them that if MLON gives them $1,150,000 in their value, they will give them $57,000,000 in its value and do so because they feel that they are doing so at a discounted rate. Nobody does a deal under the assumption that it is transacting its deal at a premium. This means that our shares of MLON are significantly undervalued until its $1,150,000 value reaches the value of $57,000,000 value of ERTDF. This is the point of equilibrium.
Now the question would be: How do we determine a fair price to purchase MLON for a fair risk until it reaches that point of equilibrium that's compatible with its dividend exchanged stock, ERDTF? There are a few ways to see this. Let's see
As of Friday, 17 Dec 04 well use since the day of consummation for the deal:
The point of equilibrium for the price of MLON is what we are trying to determine for knowing when MLON will reach such with ERDTF at $19.00 per share. The base total to use here is $57,000,000 as the point of equilibrium as derived from the example above. Let's solve for "X" to see how we must view this to see where MLON should be bought up to for reaching the point of equilibrium.
Key Variables for Resolution X = Equilibrium price of MLON Shares of MLON Exchanged = 500,000,000 The Equilibrium Value of ERDTF = $57,000,000
Solve for X,
500,000,000 x X = $57,000,000 X = $57,000,000 χ 500,000,000 X = .114 cents
This means that 500,000,000 shares of MLON at .114 cents is where the equivalent value of (500,000,000 x .114 = $57,000,000) needs to be to capture equilibrium with the value of ERDTF at the time the deal was completed (or made known to the public). If the point of equilibrium is .114 cents from these thoughts, this means that any shares of MLON bought under .114 cents is considered undervalued.
I think this is how the company is seeing the value in itself. This means that the value of MLON is .114 cents from the ERDTF deal alone. From the Western minerals/PRMN deal, I calculated it to be .01 to .02 cents with using the same logic for solution as above. This gives MLON even more value giving MLON the official justification to show why they think they are worth .10 to .15 cents. Keep in mind this does not include the 10,000,000 shares of RRBK at $14.75 per share that they own or the $45,000,000 in assets or any other previous or future deals that they have on the table for continued enhancement of MLON valuation. RRBK link from Money made: http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=MLON&read=19843 I think this is why they see that they will start entertaining offers at .10 cents per share.
So, why is Mario doing all of this hyping as many have termed it? Well let's see. The market is one big pool of a Network Marketing concept meaning that it reacts because of "word of mouth," getting the word out for people to buy shares in your stock. If you released huge news and nobody even knew of your existence, your stock would not move. Stocks do not trade in the market to not get investor attention, but instead because of trying to gain investor attention.
The way the attention is being built to a climax with MLON to bring and enhance investor confidence is very well orchestrated. All they have to do is deliver the key substance as it appears that MLON is building key announcements to be made at the price obtainment of .01 cent.
Since the Float is low with ERDTF, it wouldn't take much buying power to make it run even higher enhancing the value of MLON along the way. Money could be strategically placed into ERDTF to enhance the Parallel Valuation in MLON to get it jumpstarted towards rectifying the covering process, if any naked short problem exists. This would give us two floats, the legitimate and illegitimate floats. If enough of the "illegitimate float" have been absorbed (or eliminated), then MLON could run a lot higher and faster to enhance the Parallel Valuation more than what ERDTF would do because of the larger consideration for percentage gains. There is actually more to this which is actually too much to explain for now. Heck, this post is already gonna be long enough long enough. LOL
As you can see, MLON would be significantly undervalued and an immediate proportioned valuation should be placed into MLON as compared to the price of ERDTF because of Parallel Valuation. Let's make better sense of this for a better understanding.
1 share of ERDTF would cost you $19.00 per share. To get a better understanding of the power of Parallel Valuation, we must determine how much an equivalent price of MLON shares would be for that 1 share of ERDTF.
This means that the 167 number is the MLON share price multiple to use to determine this other point of equilibrium to see how it relates to Parallel Valuation. This means that 167 shares of MLON theoretically equates to 1 share of ERDTF. To further explain the importance.
1 share of ERDTF @ $19.00 = 167 shares of MLON @ .0023 cent(s)
1(ERDTF) x $19.00 = 167(MLON) x .0023
$19.00 = .3841
Price paid for 1 share of ERDTF = $19.00 Price paid for 167 shares of MLON = .38 cents at .0023
This is like you giving me .38 cents and me giving you back $19.00 in return. This means that MLON should be bought up to where the price of MLON x 167 equates to $19.00 for the 1 share of ERDTF. That would be the .114 cents that we talked about earlier. As you see that .114 cents x 167 would roughly give you the $19.00 per share equivalency of ERDTF. This is another way of determining the point of equilibrium. MLON would be considered under valued until such .114 cents point of equilibrium has been obtained.
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Whiz the melon is big and fat and green and I am hungry. When can we eat it? Ain't it ripe yet?
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Wouldn't be surprised if PR's are on hold for a while--or at least ones that could bump the price. Why jack the PPS when you're in the middle of a 450M stock buyback?
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HEy Whiz, that was an awesome post! Question though, when shall we expect the fun to start, apparently it was gonna be this week, wasn't it? When do you all think those shares will be actually bought?
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Boletus Member posted January 05, 2005 13:07 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Whiz the melon is big and fat and green and I am hungry. When can we eat it? Ain't it ripe yet?
quote:Originally posted by stockdoesgood44: HEy Whiz, that was an awesome post! Question though, when shall we expect the fun to start, apparently it was gonna be this week, wasn't it? When do you all think those shares will be actually bought?
Stockdoesgood, Boletus!
The table is set but I don't pretend to know when this thing goes off. All I know is the interest is here & we're on a lot of peoples radars. I guess what makes one of these puppies fun is it always moves when we least expect it. I believe Boletus is right, that a buyback is underway & Mario will not spike the price before he's done buying.
The good news is we all know that Mario has spent a lot of time priming this for a big move up & we're ready. "When" it goes we already own it & can expect a three day run with a major move on the third day. If we're past .01 on the second day we're in for one hell of a ride.
But it won't end there,,,
I will hold a hefty core because Mario's best news should be a filing which I hope includes assets of EDRF worth $57 MILLION & RiverBank worth $152.5 MILLION. That alone will put the networth of MLON over a dime & that's the real play here.
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I don't believe the buyback has started. not enough volume...but I agree we won't hear big news until it is done.
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As a shareholder couldnt we call Mario and ask him about the buyback and if it is underway??? Does that classify as insider trading??? What are we legally allowed to ask him?? And what would he legally be allowed to / or have to tell us???
January "Official Month of the Mellon"
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rumors of our pr finally coming tomorrow. FWIW. The usual someone called and Mario said...blah,blah,blah...only this time I think they called IR and spoke to Ray. believe at your own risk but I think we should get real news anyday.
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stocks are you back from Geneva yet? saw your quote that started this thread circulating the web. wondered if you ever went back and asked more questions?
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Whiz..........How long has it been since you changed the water in your bong????
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does anyone know the story with wlsc? Why is it not trading? Whu is it not moving with mlon?
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I think the funniest thing about MLON is that we all sit here every day and night and ask question after question. I don't think there is a person on this board that doesn't feel in the back of their minds that this stock MIGHT not be everything we wished it to be. We reassure ourselves daily everything is ok, but i'll personally have more faith not when Mario says so, but when the stock starts to rise. JMO.
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I am finally back, that ride really blew, 8 hours! anyway, I got to keep that continental blankit so all is good
Well, first answering to that last post, I personally don't go by what Mario says, number are numbers and $57 MILLION of ERDTF are what they are, no lies, no scamm plus some River Bank around 100 more. The funny thing though is that besides all this good GOOD stuff, everytime Mario talks the stock goes up and it reassures that this might be one of the best investments ever made. Amen!
Second thing, oh yeah, well I am back from Geneva, called to see if I could have an actual interview type of thing but it had to be held in Zurich and didn't want to take a 3 hour train ride nor I had anymore time left in awesome Switzerland, really miss some of that fondue! so good. Anyway, I have a couple of buddies from school working at Credit Suisse in Zurich and will talk to them next week to see what we can find out. Nothing sure, but there "is" business being done.
By the way, whiz, doc, or anybody found any details about the share buy back? When it's getting done and so forth?
LASTLY, HAS ANYBODY SEEN MLON'S ASK RIGHT NOW! It jumped to 0.0026!!! No bid!
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yes this has really been scaring me i about sold my shares today and yesterday. but i really beleive this thing with the right pr we are waiting for could actually reach .05 or maybe even .08 by the end of the month.
GLTA
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you can "ask the ceo a question" and "Request info or reports". The ask the ceo bit is just a simple form- no email involved. The Request info button get you an adress form for investor alearts and investor information package. Anyone get one of these yet?
Date Open High Low Last Change Volume % Change 01/05/05 0.0022 0.0190 0.0019 0.0020 -0.0002 143198797 -9.09%
Composite Indicator Trend Spotter TM Hold
Short Term Indicators 7 Day Average Directional Indicator Buy 10 - 8 Day Moving Average Hilo Channel Hold 20 Day Moving Average vs Price Buy 20 - 50 Day MACD Oscillator Buy 20 Day Bollinger Bands Hold
Short Term Indicators Average: 60% - Buy 20-Day Average Volume - 575680375
Medium Term Indicators 40 Day Commodity Channel Index Buy 50 Day Moving Average vs Price Buy 20 - 100 Day MACD Oscillator Buy 50 Day Parabolic Time/Price Sell
Medium Term Indicators Average: 50% - Buy 50-Day Average Volume - 407804531
Long Term Indicators 60 Day Commodity Channel Index Buy 100 Day Moving Average vs Price Buy 50 - 100 Day MACD Oscillator Hold
Long Term Indicators Average: 67% - Buy 100-Day Average Volume - 209645547
Overall Average: 56% - Buy
Price Support Pivot Point Resistance
0.0020 -0.0095 0.0076 0.0247
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anyone have any real clue when this company supposedly might erupt if at all,,, i am tryin to get in,, but i cant trade till tuesday the 11th,,,, i am hoping i aint to late to get in cheap,,,,,, Posts: 61 | From: tower city, PA, USA | Registered: Dec 2004
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MY taake on News Feb 04 to dec 3 04 and also Mellon wesbite DOWN Feb 26th 2004 MLON first claims to have 200 associates NOT One ever named to this day. Mar 4 2004 Toll Road deal with $10 Million to MLON NEVER HAPPENS Mar 5 2004 They brag in a NR that they pumped up the price 50% on a deal is cancelled 12 days later and they hire an IR firm that resigns 12 days later Mar 17 2004 above two deals cancelled but new Deal announced for Mexico which collapses in August NEVER HAPPENS August News Mar 24, 04 MLON announces first meeting to take a clothing company public with $50 Million to MLON NEVER HAPPENS August News April 7, 04 some sort of Nothing PR but MLON now claims to be established. May 5th, 04 MLON announces a deal for Hong Kong client where they set up a SBLC. $1.2 Million to MLON NEVER HAPPENS May 5, 04 GREECE deal they claim happens client never named. Jun 4, 04 Greece Contract again Jun 7, 04 Greece deal again same one. Claim minimum $250,000 in revs PAID Jun 7, 04 A very poorly worded NR for a deal with a clothing company to build a CITY???? CEO of Company is on Board of advisors for MLON Jun 8th , 04 A deal announced with turkish Company NEVER HAPPENS Cancelled August Jun 22, 04 a deal is announced with $1.2 Million in revs making running total about $2 Million. June 29, 04 another deal with Kinghero ( see Jun 7) to take them public within 6 weeks NEVER HAPPENS. Jul 13, 04 announces SEC Filings within 30 days NEVER HAPPENS Jul 15, 04 Now they are taking above Greece client Public within next 60-90 days - NEVER HAPPENS Jul 30, 04 0- some insane gobblygook about their marketing plans and all the connections they have Aug 6, 04 Now Kinghero needs $100 Million to build an old district of the city ( this was the clothing manufacturer and advisor to MLON) Aug 16, 04 MLON to Merge with WLSC both are owned by Mario PINO already LOL At this point you are to get one share for one share. And MLON is now to be renamed and to be repositioned as Club extreme some sort of online and live real place to party WOW talk about diversification. Aug 17th WLSC spin off now 1 WLSC for every 1000 MLON thats quite a change overnight Aug 23rd update NR claiming the $250k from Greek deal coming UP above on JUN 7th they claimed they already were paid Cheque bounce??. Also they claim Kinghero commissions to be paid within ten days . A bunhc of deals are mentioned and names dropped but Google brings up ZILCH on any of them. Aug 23 2nd NR of the day claims o be awardind a dividend of Club Extreme and that the club will opne Q4 2004 NEVER HAPPENS Aug 25 and Sep 20 reissues earlier news on strategy etc. No new deals Sep 23 04 WLSC divvy changed to 1 for 100 Sept 24 04 announce a new client but will formally announced the following week what?? NEVER HAPPENS Sep 29, 04 they announce they are building a gaming portal for the club extreme and gambling and sports betting I AM GETTING CONFUSED NOW NOV 17, 04 headline says Private Placement but is very confusing as none is mentioned. Then they state they got a $140 Million asset which they margined to get $10 Million in cash. No idea if this is a new asset to the initial one and how did they pay for it initially. Very misleading and elusive. Nov 19th announce 3 new clients for $600k in revs for Q1 2005 and then they announce they will be an IR firm also so they are now a investment bank, an entertainment company and an IR firm. Nov 22nd This ist least the 6th time the WLSC spinoff was used. Also that day in a seperate NR they announce new CFO do a google on HIM LOL Nov 24 Now club extremem is just a portal and is now Q1 2005 and they start to lay out more divvies as carrots Dec 3rd headline is Mellon Research, Inc. Announces the Book Value of Wall Street Securities Inc there is no mention of this in NR??? But they do announce a buyback of 450 Million shares. They also announce financials to be filed by end of year NEVER HAPPENS and now is outto at least MAY. And now they also mention a buyout for 5 cents. This is when they hit my radar and everyone elses. Then it gets even more insane.
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WOW, I'm just impressed. I've never seen a "7 year day-trader" worry so much for others, that much that even chooses to name himself "Melon". You need a break buddy, if you don't like melon, leave it alone! that even rimes, made out just for you. No offense, totally honest. Thanks for the input though, it always good to see both sides of the coin, we got it, thanks!
PS By the way, you seemed to be forget MLON's multi-million dollar positions with other companies, don't forget what we're all here for.
Back to business... Whiz, any idea about when those shares are being bought?