A BASHER HANDBOOK:
Do not underestimate a Bashers influence on a stock. The Pro's are good at what they do and what they do is profit from your losses. Below is their "hand-book". Learn from it or you will be donating your hard earned money to them!

Rules for Successful Bashing:

1. Be anonymous
2. Use 10% fact. 90% suggestion. The facts will lend credibility to your suggestions.
3. Let others help you learn about the stock. Build rapport and a
support base before initiating your Bashing routine.
4. Enter w/ humor and reply to all who reply to you.
5. Use multiple ISP's, handles and aliases.
6. Use two (2) or more aliases to simulate a discussion.
7. Do not start with an all out slam of the stock. Build softly.
8. Identify your foes (Longs) and the boards "guru" Use them to
your advantage. Lead them do not follow their lead.
9. Only Bash until the tide/momentum turns. Let doubt carry it the
rest of the way.
10. Give the appearance of being open minded.
11. Be bold in your statements. People follow strength.
12. Write headlines in caps with catchy statements.
13. Pour it on as your position gains momentum. Not your personality.
14. Don't worry about being labeled a "Basher". Newbies won't
know your history.
15. When identified put up a brief fight, then back off. Return in an hour unless your foe is a weak in reasoning powers.
16. Your goal is to limit the momentum of the run. Not to tank the
company or create a plunge in the stock; be subtle and consistent.
17. Kill the dreams of profits, not the company or the stock.
18. Use questions to create critical thinking. Statements to
reinforce facts.
19. DO NOT LIE, NAME CALL or USE PROFANITY.
20. Encourage people to call the company. 99% won't. They'll take your word for claims made. If they do call you can always find something that is inaccurate in how they report their findings.
21. Discourage people from believing Press Releases.
Encourage them to call the company. They won't out of laziness.
22. If the companies history/PR's are negative constantly point to that. Compile a list of this data prior to beginning your efforts.
23. If the price rises blame it on the hype or the PR, temporary
mass reaction, the market, etc. Anything but the stock itself.
24. If other posters share your concerns, play on that and share theirs too.
25. Always cite low volume, even when it's not.
26. Three or four aliases can dominate a board and wear down the longs.
27. Bait the Longs into personal debates putting their
focus/efforts on you and not the stock or facts. Divert their attention from facts.
28. Promote other stocks that would-be investors can turn to
instead of the one your Bashing.
30. Do not fall for challenges on the "values" of what you are doing, it's a game and you are playing it with your own rules.

Grade 'A' Basher:
If you post lots of old news, respond to all positive posts with a negative side. Never respond to being called a Basher, never post on another board with same alias. Can spend up to 80 hours a week Bashing a stock.
Grade 'B' Basher:
Very good way with words, always claims to be your "friend" taking the positive poster into confidence, never posts on another board, spends about 60 hours a week.

Grade 'C' Basher:
Spends less time than the others but is somewhat effective and gets a C grade due to getting excited when Bashers rules say not to get excited, spends about 40 hours a week.

Grade 'D' Basher:
Needs to learn the basics about being convincing when making a negative statement. Spends a good amount of time working the stock, maybe 20 hours a week.

Grade 'F' Basher:
A complete idiot, most readers are not convinced he knows anything about stocks in general. The type that says a stock "sucks", but gives no rationale, shows up every so often but no regular schedule.

LEARN ABOUT HOW BASHERS WORK: For instance: did you know that some Bashers are paid?
Golden Rule:
IGNORE THEM ...learn how professional Bashers are paid: When you REPLY to Bashers you give them an opportunity to earn appox. 5-7 dollars. The service agreement they enter into with their employer states their messages will be monitored for content, profanity, lies, etc. but Overseers and the like don't have the time to check all their Bashers messages. Only occasional spot checks are done. Those who manage the Basher will generally read the headlines to see if a Basher is replying to other posters by name. That tells them the Basher isn't just "posting blindly" or repeating the same message over and over since they won't pay for those.(True to form a Basher will put the bite on anyone, even their unscrupulous employer). A Basher will attempt to milk three to five replies per post at one to two dollars each. This way the Basher spreads negative influence to as many stockholders as possible. A Basher will create this discussion thread because it takes less time reading more messages than is necessary. This ultimately allows the Basher more time to post and make money. In general, NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER. Make them read all the posts and think up ways to enter the discussion. NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER; if you do so then YOU BECOME THE BASHER,S AID! If you feel compelled to challenge a Basher do so without mentioning his/her true alias in your response. This will make it hard for the Basher to use your post as a revenue stream. Read the news, do your own homework and make your own decisions. Get real time quotes and follow the stock for a couple of weeks. Due Diligence is key here. Know that there will be a time when the stock runs up which will be followed followed by the Bashers and those that missed the boat. The Bashers will trash the stock by saying such things as "it's a Pump and Dump" and "the company is lying" and deceiving. There goal is to scare off newbies and potential new investors by "shaking" you out of your shares. Take the time to confirm your DD ,trust your own judgement and believe in yourself, pick your point of return or loss and live with it. Don't listen to hype or Bashers trust your own judgement. Live by the rules you have created .

HOW TO IDENTIFY A BASHER
1. Check the "Born on Date" Bashers create identities on a regular basis. Rarely do you find a Basher with older "Created On" date. So click on the Identity icon for more details.
2. Take the time to look at the Basher's history of Posts. Go to other boards and see if their is a pattern to the theme of the posts. Bashers rarely waste time trying to blend in with "positive" posts, unless they are cultivating a new uninformed assistant.
3. When did the Basher show up. Bashers rarely show up when activity is in at a Lull. They show up when activity up/down..
4. Bashers never answer direct questions except with another question.
5. Bashers do work in teams (sometimes themselves as a team). So be suspicious of someone showing up and automatically having a Shadow to converse with who supports their argument.
6. Bashers always select "an argument" that can never be resolved by research.

The Basher 'Pack' Mentality
Bashers love to work in packs. It provides the quintessential cover to achieve supposedly "independent" validation of an argument. It is neither independent nor validating.

Pack Structure: Basher Packs can be comprised of any number of Bashers. They can be purposely formed within an organization or they can be "ad hoc" formed during a conclave on a particular board. In fact a pack mentality can be achieved by an ambitious "party of one" with a few select aliases.

Once a pack is formed, a leader emerges. This leader is usually acknowledged by other Bashers because of 1. Knowledge of the stock. or 2. Recognition by current board Longs (high visibility). Once established the Leader will usually work the Pack members up in to a posting frenzy. Constantly changing themes and even occasionally biting the ear of another pack member (this earns instant credibility), and it doesn't offend the bitten Basher because he/she knows it is all part of the effect. Quite sophisticated.
Packs will disband and slink away without notice. Usually this is the call of the Pack Leader who is adept at recognizing overplay. More often than not, Pack members must move on because they have other Bashing commitments to fulfill. They will return to the site of a good hunt over and over again, until hamstringing is achieved.

on the other hand, the other night i did some profile sor ting and found a few people who DO fit the paid pumper profile, and you know it.

HOW TO IDENTIFY A BASHER
1. Check the "Born on Date" Bashers create identities on a regular basis. Rarely do you find a Basher with older "Created On" date. So click on the Identity icon for more details.
2. Take the time to look at the Basher's history of Posts. Go to other boards and see if their is a pattern to the theme of the posts. Bashers rarely waste time trying to blend in with "positive" posts, unless they are cultivating a new uninformed assistant.
3. When did the Basher show up. Bashers rarely show up when activity is in at a Lull. They show up when activity up/down..
4. Bashers never answer direct questions except with another question.
5. Bashers do work in teams (sometimes themselves as a team). So be suspicious of someone showing up and automatically having a Shadow to converse with who supports their argument.
6. Bashers always select "an argument" that can never be resolved by research.

you might be pissing them off by pursuing this line of posting too much... don't be surprised if you get an e-mail to shutup about it....

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Originally posted by glassman:
maybe i should pass this info around??????

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It's an open cess pool in here anyway, do what you want.

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Originally posted by noahltl:

It's an open cess pool in here anyway, do what you want.

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yes, it is and the stink is annoying a lot of serious investors that wish to promote their own picks....

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Originally posted by glassman:
now you need to go find a half dozen of those REAL BIG LONG posts to bury these postings don't you?????
hurry up...and get to work....LOL

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I'll try glass

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Re: ALL OR NOTHING
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on Aug 20th, 2004, 11:56pm, BattleStar wrote:CMKX is a legitimate mining exploration company that has tons and tons of potential, more potential than other mining exploration companys that are trading at a much higher PPS. If you have done your DD on this company there is no way you can compare CMKX to a lottery ticket, as the chances of succeeding with CMKX are much higher... JMO

The following is a response to a thread titled, ALL OR NOTHING..I would like to give this thread a new name..

CMKX--BETTER THAN A LOTTERY TICKET? YOU DECIDE.

I hope the original posters don't mind me editing this thread..I will rarely use my privelage to do this..but this subject of comparing CMKX to a lottery ticket has been an ongoing remark that every now and then pops up.
Since we constantly get new investors coming to this board..I thought it would be nice to respond to this using some of the DD found in the Fast-Track forum. This is just one more example of how a few minutes of reading could open the eyes of someone brand new to this investment. So again, thankyou for the liberty to do this..

The following is my response:

Very well put. In fact, I often try and talk my girlfriend out of buying lottery tickets..

Simply compare these odds: to win a state lottery the odds are about 1 in 6,000,000 or more. (statiscally you are more likely to get hit by lightening twice before you win the lottery once.)

Now I'll let you do the speculative math on cmkx we have 1.4 million+ acres of claims..and a high tech ariel survey that shows hundreds of anomolies..

so for the sake of conservatism (that was for you Rush )..let's say we have only 200 anomolies (now people need to realize that the ariel survey PR stated that even though we have hundreds of anomolies..I quote "some of the anomolies are obvious drill targets" this language obviously narrows the number down..but since we are a diamond mining company I will assume that the targets they are referring to are rich with kimberlite..the remaining anomolies would probably contain other minerals that might hold value.

Now..we had 5 million dollars of private financing pledged along with partners who will probably be helping with the drilling and core sample testing expenses..so at least in my mind, we will be able to drill and test a large percentage of the high quality targets (again focusing on the land that has kimberlite.) We can always sell off some of the land with the other anomolies..but lets not get too complicated..

I would have to say that with the TDEM technology that we used to do the survey that we are almost rest assured that we have plenty of kimberlite to pull out of the ground for testing. Now, 80 percent of Sask's kimberlite is diamondiferous..

Now if the land is diamondiferous what are the chances that it contains diamonds over one millimeter in size?

I am going to be a tease here ..because if you don't know this answer you should go over to the Fast-Track Center and do some DD..

No, I'm not being an a- h o l e ..because once you do the numbers for yourself..you will take ownership of the fact that the situation we find ourself in is MUCH better than a lottery ticket.

If I or anyone else simply tells you exactly what to think..then it is more easily discarded.

DO THE MATH..

IMO..If the company 1. Drills 2. Tests 3. Methodically repeats this procedure until our money runs out..

Then statistically it is just a matter of TIME before we find value in that land..and now I am being SO ultra conservative that I'm making Rush look like Edward Kennedy!! (this is the most political I will ever get on this board..since I have to set a good example )..

That is why I and others have said time after time..that TIME is a huge factor in anyone's investment decision..especially with cmkx..

Unless something drastically changes with the story..and believe me I have my eyes wide open..

then TIME is a huge hedge in allowing the statistics to fall into our lap..

I will leave you with a simple math equation and let you fill in the blank(s)..this is just another way of looking at what I posted above: We have money to drill and sample a high percentage of the quality targets which almost certainly contains kimberlite..for our purposes we will reduce the total number of quality targets to a number where cmkx can afford to drill and sample 100 percent (this will be A.)

80 percent of the kimberlite we find will be diamondiferous..

now again, what percentage of the diamondiferous kimberlite will contain diamonds over one millimeter in size?

Here is the equation: 100% of A. times 80% times ? = X

You figure it out..and then tell me that this investment is like a lottery ticket.. Diamondogg

P.S. To find out how much just one rich mineable claim could be worth..you will again need to go to the Fast-Track section and do just a little reading..hint: read the thread titled, "Could One Diamond Pipe Take Cmkx to $1+/Share?".. Have fun.

Disclaimer: These are my opinions only, based on my own DD and speculation..please take it as such.

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Originally posted by noahltl:
Satisfaction is worth much more than money.

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Originally posted by noahltl:
foolish: adjective of fool: silly or empty headed person, simpleton: jester; clown; dupe, act as a fool.

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How is CMKX going to fund all of the drilling?

WHERE WILL THEY GET THE HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY NEEDED?

HOW MUCH DEBT DO THEY HAVE?

ONE drill team is not suffient to make enough money and drill enough holes! Then when and IF they find diamonds it will be a HUGE expense to bring them to market.

IF THE Authorized shares are 500 billion and over 400 billion are out they cannot fund a huge operation by dumping shares can they!!

The only other choice would be a REVERSE SPLIT and then dump shares!!

IF THEIR DEBT IS SO HIGH THEY MAY CONSIDER BANKRUPTCY!

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Originally posted by noahltl:
Posters here can decide.

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Posters here can decide.
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Wallace -I doubt the veracity of that statement. Prove it. Post the time of your trade and show one of your dear friends the execution in your account.

You expect us to believe that Wallace with his great ethical background got an insider Wall Street gift of a buy at .0001 when every single retail trade that day was .0003 and .0004? Those strange .0001 trades at the end of the day were MM manipulation. So if you are the beneficiary of the MM's you are their darling. Why would you be their chosen beneficiary? I have to believe that if you could do this you would be too busy making money to be posting here.

Is that insider trading? Is it legal? Perhaps this is one area of expertise you have that you could share that people would actually be interested in.

I still think you are full of it. I think any credibility you may think you have here is gone completely. If anyone believes Wallace got a fill at .0001 when tons of buy orders at .0003 and .0002 were not filled there please speak up for him.

That bashers have been waging a real assault over this weekend so far....

Wallace wrote : "Said if I bought at .0001, then I am a "paid basher". Sure, Debi, shows you how much you know about the Street and what knowing someone can accomplish"

HAHAHAHHA YOU ARE AN IDIOT....

No one 'HELPED' YOU GET .0001 Wallace you are a sick joke... How much longer do you have left? Not long enough apperently...

Glassman, Wallace, how many posts will you make concerning a stock you don't own? How many normal people post negitive comments on stocks in forums they don't have a postion in? I don't since it would be a WASTE OF MY TIME....

Wallace= Basher
Glassman= basher

Wallace I'm still waiting for that nock.... you moron....

Wallace so you now own at .0001 YET YOU SAID THIS WAS A SCAM??? EVERYONE ASK WALLACE WHY HE OWNS NOW, YET SAYS THIS IS A SCAM? Doesn't make much sense, but then again he hasn't in some time.

Again bashers out in full force...

And to the person making the r/s comment and the O/S being 400 billion, again no person or people knows the true O/S numbers until they are released by CMKX Diamonds... until that time your 400 billion figure is speculation. Unless you have hard facts, which I would ask to post any of them.

-John-

The dividend rate is .0000155 of UCAD for every 1 share of cmkx!! SOURCE: http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/company_profile.jsp?symbol=CMKX

They are distributing 7.5 million shares of UCAD! SOURCE: ht tp://www.pinksheets.com/quote/news.jsp?url=fis_story.asp%3Ftextpath%3DCOMTEX%5Cbw%5C2004%5C07%5C18%5C10430170.html%26clientid%3D168%26provider%3DBUSINESS_WIRE&symbol=CMKX

IT is a simple calculation if the dividend rate is .0000155 then divide the amount of shares to be distributed by the dividend rate!!

So 7.5 million shares / .0000155 shares comes to 483870967742!!

Thats OVER 483 BILLION SHARES!!!!

"You didn't know what an MM was 3 months ago. Now they are giving you preferred fills. I find that ludicrous."

Yes Wallace, explain... If anyone thinks Wallace got filled at .0001, you are a complete idiot then. The only thing that got filled was Wallace's butt, with his daily insertation of a Coconut

THIS IS NOT CONSIDERED 'OFFICIAL' FROM THE COMPANY. UNLESS THE COMPANY IS CREDITED WITH SAYING IT, IT IS NOT OFFICIAL SOURCES...

ONLY TRUST WHAT THE COMPANY SAYS, NOT WHAT PINKSHEETS DOT COM SAYS....

Who owns Pinksheets dot com?
pinksheets does not = cmkx diamonds....

so again OSBUCKS.... those aren't official figures unless released by the company.

Unless you are an Insider at CMKX Diamonds which I know you aren't...

Again, your 'facts' aren't facts unless released ina CMKX Press Release...

Funny how all the CMKX threads have the same three people on them causing trouble,

Wallace#1
Glassman
OSbucks...

Add up all their posts from the last three months... hundreds of negitive, knocking posts, NEVER a postive veiw of a company... YET NONE OF THOSE THREE OWN SHARES....

Pretty STRANGE that three individuals would spend so much time posting to a forum they don't own stock in...

Funny thing is that the HOURS they spend every week COULD have been spent finding "BETTER" stocks, yet they didn't. In fact they never offer any other good picks, just that CMKX is a 'scam'...

Glassman, Osbucks,Wallace, tell the newbies some other "good" stocks if CMKX Diamonds is such a bad pick as you say.

Again Wallac, AREN'T YOU DYING RIGHT NOW? Your waisting ALOT of precious time bickering about stocks you don't own... Maybe that IS why he is here... He's afraid to be alone when it finally happens

Wallace, that is pretty sad that you are dying and you have spent over three months sitting here, doesn't your wife and daughter want to spend time with you? Or did you alienate them as well?

If CMKX is so bad, tell us some other picks of yours, Newbies, here is a real test, if they really want to 'protect' you, ask them to tell you BETTER stocks then this... Pony up Wallace/Glassman/OsBucks what WOULD YOU PICK IF CMKX SUCKS SO MUCH, AS YOU CLAIM???

Lets see if we get answers.