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Those are good results. 4 more holes still pending from Buffalo Gulch.
BTP will start to get some value from its gold properties, and investors will realize this is a gold stock, as well as a PGM play.

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news *finally* released after 3 tedious months, and: BTP responds by... *drumroll please* ... bumping up one cent on teeny volume. heh, figures
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BTP is not making a big fuss.
Excellent results.
For the first time in months, BTP has a short term buy signal on stockta.com
We have built a great secondary base over and above the long-term accumulation of 2003.

You will start to see this move.
The junior market has hit bottom, BTP has everything to be noticed in the next upturn.



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i'm not a geologist, so i can't really comment on whether these are good results or not. however, i imagine that "grams per ton" is the key stat in drilling results. comparing BTP's news release today to BZA.V's last PR on their results, I see that while BTP is always in the single-digits in g/t, BZA is often up in the 40's or 50's in their holes:
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/040602/25442_1.html

and they dug a whole lot more than 4 holes.

So, I dunno - like I said I'm hardly a geologist. I don't see BTP's results knocking any socks off though, as evidenced by the market yawning at their PR. Labeling their holes as "BFD" may have been more apt than they realized. Maybe I'm just being ignorant though, can you better explain to me why these are supposed to be good results, NP?


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I will compare BZA and BTP and tell you what I honestly think.
I will post again Friday night.
The next important NR for BTP is their financing.
How much and at what price?

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I did a quick look at BZA.
They have pulled some high-grade intersections, but the length for many of those intersections was less than 10 feet. Not much tonnage.Also, they seem pretty deep, would this be an underground mine?
The hole that Placer Dome recently announced in Nevada was 450 metres of 1.5 oz./ton.
That started a frenzy, but is it narrow (2 dimensional, or does it have width.)

I have seen many companies pull some decent holes along a line, but away from that narrow line in either direction, there is nothing.

Generally, a company is given a NAV (net asset value) of $25 for every ounce of gold in the ground.
An open pit mine can work on 1g/ton, but an underground mine needs at least .33 oz/ton.
BZA has lots of shares out, close to 200 million. BZA will probably go up again once the gold bull resumes.
BTP is a tightly structured company in terms of its share ownership.

I am told that BTP is doing their geophysical work in Montana, and that Keith Minty will be supervising the drill program.
We could see drills turning in MT and ID at the same time.

The bottom line is that BTP must be close to flat broke, and will have to do a financing SOON!!! That will tell us a lot more than the drill holes.
I know it is no consolation, but nobody has made any money in the junior mining market since late March.(Except VIT and WKR in cortez hills, nevada) Any junior stock you would have bought in March is down 50-80%.

Wait for the financing or maybe they will announce a joint venture.
Obviously, no one is selling out.The drop in early June on high volume was people getting fed some shares.

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Copperstone Drilling

Additional core drilling rigs have been mobilized to the Copperstone Project in Arizona. Bonanza currently has five drilling rigs on surface and underground at the Copperstone project as it advances the project towards a production decision in 2005 with over 40,000 meters of drilling currently planned for 2004.

Warrants Exercised

Bonanza is also pleased to report that it has received a further CDN$2 million in warrant exercises from the transferable share purchase warrants which expired and were de-listed from trading from the TSX Venture Exchange on June 10, 2004. Bonanza currently has 188,029,350 shares outstanding, no debt and CDN$14.5 million in cash. Bonanza's current cash balance will allow it to advance the Copperstone project and its current portfolio of prospective exploration projects located in Nevada and Arizona.
Persoanlly I believe there is a lot of potential in BZA regardless of the O/S amount. Just look at some of the heavywiehts involved in this one- Goldcorp owns 10% or so, Ian Telfer is involved here and also John Embry. These guys dont make too many mistakes and if they are interested in BZA so amI.


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Yes, BZA should make new highs when the gold bull resumes.
Right now, so many insiders in many companies (not BZA) are exercising cheap options and selling shares the same day.

I can remember when everyone thought it was crazy to buy shares in a junior company with more than 10 million shares out.
Nowadays, with the trading culture, everyone wants liquidity.
All markets, all sectors, are down since early April.
We need to be patient and wait for the turnaround.
Also,we need a stock to go from pennies to over $10 to get people a little more greedy.
Everyone is happy to make 10-20 cents on a trade right now.



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perchance to nothing, amazing how similar the rise and fall of IPVO/NMKT and BTP has been. these curves are practically identical, silly and pointless but kind of a surprising coincidence:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=NMKT.OB&t=1y&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=btp.v

the obvious lesson is - don't forget to take profits along the way!


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Strength at the end of the day today. I am waiting for the financing, and Buffalo Gulch results.
If BTP issues 40 million at 20 cents, I would be disappointed. Too dilutionary, and the insiders own so much, they would be going against their own interests to issue more cheap shares.
Montana and Idaho property payments due August 31. Probably $100,000 US dollars.Good results or bad, BTP needs money.
I still believe they have a plan.

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New to the post. I am considering investing in BTP. My math on this conensides with your prediction over $1 per share after the 520,000 oz. of gold is sold. However, I see some negative possibilities on this stock at the beginning. Perhaps, Northerprophet, you would be kind enough to answer the following questions:

If the event BTP is unable to finance, could the commom stock go to almost zero, although I understand there are people holding large blocks of this stock?

If BTP is bought out, does the proceeds get divided by the 50 million shares or may we see a price rise per share when incorporated into a second company?

If the company floats more shares, say 25 million shares, is this enough to prime the company?

Suppose company declares bankruptcy and no financing is available, what may be the next move?

Where do I buy BTP? My broker, Ameritrade, does not sell this stock.


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Hi lionelbuff. You are from the USA, and BTP trades on the pink sheets under the symbol BTPUF. It may be easier for you to buy it on the pink sheets. The other Americans say this is a really hard stock to buy in Canada, and you have to pay a huge commission.

Secondly, we are awaiting the results from 4 holes in Buffalo Gulch, Idaho. Buffalo Gulch is where there was a large geophysical/geochemical anomoly.

In Cdn. juniors, when things go bad, the next move is not bankruptcy, they usually do a 1:10 rollback, which is almost as bad.
So, 60 million shares would become 6 million, but the stock usually drifts down to its pre-rollback price. It is called "getting put through the ringer".

The short position in BTP is now zero as of July 15 and July 31.

My advice to you is just to watch this like a hawk, and see which way BTP goes. BTP has to break 18 cents to start a new uptrend.

Good sites to follow BTP www.stockwatch.com (lists the buyers/sellers) www.tsx.com www.stockhouse.com


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Also, it looks like Montana may not be drilled this year because palladium is only $220.
So, BTPs main asset for now is its gold holdings.
Unlike Montana, Idaho is a mining friendly state.

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Also lionelbuff, in answering your other questions, BTP is flat broke and needs money.
In my opinion, BTP needs at least $2 million, and $5 million if they are still going to drill Montana this year. I would not like to see them raise money below 25-30 cents.

When a company gets bought out, there are 2 options. cash buyout, share merger
Majors like Barrick, Newmont, Placer, pay the shareholders cash for their shares, and the old company no longer exists. But these guys only buy out world-class multimillion ounce deposits.

Another scenario is a merger(just an example, I am not implying it will happen} where shares are swapped. For example, if Wheaton River was going to buy out BTP, they would give BTP shareholders, say, 1 WRM share for every 3 shares of BTP.
In either case, BTP would cease to exist, its assets would be part of the new company.

Remember, BTP has gold in the ground, but lots of money has to be spent getting it out.
They need to discover more, and their properties have excellent potential.


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Nary a share trading hands today.May be the calm before the storm. No sellers at these prices-must be making the marketmakers steam. No short interest as of July31 so not many thinking this will go down.
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Thank you, Northern Prophet, I appreciate your answer to my questions. I'm looking at GEMM which will be a dividend stock 10/1/04 from CMKX, which I presently own. I know that Juinia Mine is part of GEMM. Is Juinia showing some profit or is it in any dangerous debt position? There was a news release showing Juinia has received a delivery of gold from Yellow River. The other part of GEMM is suppose to have experience in the diamond industry. CMKX is presently taking on a lot of mining partners and has been core drilling recently for diamonds in the Fort De Long area. Any comments on the above would be valued much.

Sincerely,
Jack

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uhhhh... just how is this storm supposed to brew? BTP's real asset that made them stand above other juniors was their Montana holdings, and palladium has crashed. Take a look at PAL, absolutely crushed this week. no way to go into production in montana, no one is going to make any money with Pd strugging to stay above $200.

my guess is BTP sells half of their stakes to pay the bill for Minty + crew's extended vacations. dig 8 holes, call it a year. then we're left with a lot of dilution and diminishing property claims.

i hope i'm wrong but - i'm betting i'm not. i've got $5 that says BTP hits .10 before it hits .20.

the sad thing is that i believe BTP was well positioned and had their chance, but - they blew it and now they're backed into a corner with not many places to go from here.

I'd be happy to hear a plausible and realistic alternative scenario by which they could turn it around... any takers?

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Originally posted by BCmouser:
Nary a share trading hands today.May be the calm before the storm. No sellers at these prices-must be making the marketmakers steam. No short interest as of July31 so not many thinking this will go down.


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Yes blue, I do have a scenario. I stated it before. I originally bought BTP for its Montana assets. Now it seems to be that Montana was just a diversion, and the real asset all along was the gold properties.
The plan all along was to keep the company going until gold was at a good price.
I agree with you blue, right now BTPs Stillwater assets are pretty much worthless.
I have followed BTP/IDO for 4 years, it has never had a major promotion.

Let's wait for Buffalo Gulch. That is where the potential for a "discovery" was.
ALL great plays have started from a cheap price.

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They even pretended to sell the gold properties to a major shareholder's company, Canden Capital.
Lots of investors never believed in Montana, and were in BTP only for the gold, and the apparent sale of the gold properties was a tool to drive the stock lower.
Also, why is BTP still registered and trading in the USA? Something is up there.
Also, Tomasovich put a couple of million of his own money into BTP and never sold any when it was higher.Also, I like the recent trading. Low volume and no hype.


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i dunno, i prefer "volume and hype" to "no volume and no hype", personally.

i admit i'm a bit skeptical too of the "purposely wanted stock to tank" argument wrt the gold aspects. i tend to favor the simplest possible one, when faced with a number of possible explanations.

to me, the magic number is: 8. 8 holes, that's a year's work for these guys? there's no way to sugarcoat the fact that: their drilling program this summer was piddly. i challenge you to find a junior mining company that did *less* with *more* than btp. BZA is digging close to 100 holes this summer. to be fair, it was out of BTP's control that Pd crashed.

i dunno, i admit - i've given up on BTP, and lost enough that it's barely worth cashing out. and i admit that i'm ticked off at management for having such a useless summer and wasting their opportunities. the only metal stock i'm watching now is WHT, hoping it edges towards $2 range for a good buying opportunity imho. they actually produce and make money.

i also am hoping Pd drops to $180 range or so, i think it would be a pretty good buy-and-hold-for-5-years speculative investment at that point. what do i know though, it would probably plummet the day after i bought it and they would start to make pepsi cans out of it because it was so cheap


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Lionelbuff, I will get back to you on CMKX. I am looking for some articles I saved, I just want to give you a good answer.


Now blue, I am in BTP big (6 digits), at an average price of 30 cents. I have been following the VSE(now tsxv) for 20 years, and they never give you a good reason to buy cheap.

I agree with you that the Montana assets are now un-promotable, and they might not let anyone build another mine at the Stillwater complex anyway.

Please do not sell now, just wait for the results and the financing.THEN HOLD ON.

BTP WILL BE PROMOTED AS A GOLD STOCK.THE LAST TIME THAT HAPPENED IN '96, BTP went to $4.50.
When I said "no hype and no volume". What I meant that was a lot of hype before results is a bad thing. Usually means insiders are dumping.

I am frustrated, but I have not given up on BTP. 20 years of following pennies has taught me that BTP is not a dead fish.

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I tried to get a chart up here, but it won't work.

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eh i dunno NP, i still don't think that a company would "fake" a sale of their gold properties and even change their name away from a gold company to something that would at least (sort-of) reflect thier montana properties, just as some sort of elaborate ruse. doesn't add up. obviously they weren't counting on Pd crashing, though it's interesting they chose Pt to put in their name if they hold mostly Pd in montana.

as for metals, kind of odd that gold was up today, consider the dollar strengthened. still can't quite get a handle on all the factors moving gold around.

the biggest metals story that noone's mentioned at all that i've seen is - rhodium. last i checked, it's up 50% in *one freakin' month*! unbeleivable, what the heck lit a fire under rhodium's butt?


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I follow Rhodium closely, it was once $7000/ounce. It hit $2400 in 2000. It's recent rise bodes well for the other PGMs.
The term "platinum" in Beartooth Platinum refers to platinum group metals.

With regard to the "fake" sale of the gold properties, it is possible.
A man by the name of Arthur Fisher, who owned almost 2,000,000 shares of BTP runs a company called Canden Capital. They agree to buy the gold properties, all they have to do is raise $600,000, and they can't do it.
Arthur Fisher could have raised three times that much in 5 minutes.


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BTP has the right pedigree. BTP (old name: Idaho Consolidated) was a spinoff from Bema Gold.
U.S. Global Investors was/is one of the backers of BTP.
Has anyone ever heard of them?
A guy called Frank Holmes speaks on their behalf at all the gold/resource investment shows.

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I have not given up on BTPs Montana holdings totally. Stillwater SWC and NA Palladium had corrections to their 200 day moving averages.
The stocks generally lead the commodity.
If Stillwater gets over $20, it will help Beartooth even if there is no drilling.
Everyone knows BTP has the goods in Montana, it is just that palladium has to get to $350 to get people excited about it.

Since the July 22 news release, BTP has hardly traded. Except for a 10 minute period 2 Fridays ago when Canaccord sold 150,000 shares. Besides that, maybe 250,000 shares have traded in the past month.


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this is just always how it goes for me - was trying to buy WHT for the longest time but kept just missing my limit buy orders at 2.35. now it's at 2.81. really WHT is the only metals company i like a lot at the moment, if it ever dips to 2.50 range again i'll bite. i might bite on BZA it it gets oversold down to the .13-.14 level, also.
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I believe we are heading into the third major phase of this gold bull market.
This phase will be more speculative and the focus will not be on companies building value, but on drill holes. In early 96, junior golds were acting line tech stocks in 1999.
I remember stocks rising 40% just when they announced they were drilling.
The reason I still like gold is that the general public is unaware.
I believe gold stocks will be hot until next spring; the speculative stocks (gold or tech) always semm to peak in March/April.
After most juniors are down 50-75% from March, this is the time to buy.

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good day for gold. hey NP, what's a good place to buy not stocks, but - actual metals? i tried to buy some Pt when it dipped to $200/oz a few days ago on kitco. but - they are a ripoff, they always use inflated prices. if the price drops they never update their prices, but if it goes up you can be sure they will update their selling price within 30 seconds. now is a perfect example - they are selling Pt as if it were $239 instead of $224 like it really is. where can i get a fair and not a ripoff price, if i want to buy metals in the future? thanks. i have used ebay several times lately btw, bought some Pt,Pd,Au coins for very good prices a few months back when they were cheaper. takes some digging though, something i often don't have the time/patience for.
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All dealers have a markup price, you can't get away from it. The only way to get a deal is if you want to negotiate privately.
Like buying a used car off a dealer, usually a ripoff, if you want a good deal, you got to go privately.

Anyway, if you ever want some nice coins, go to www.stillwaterpalladium.com

Click on the left "how to invest in palladium"
then click "Northwest Territorial Mint"


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Go to: www.lionshares.com >BTP
At least some funds are starting to come on board.

2 funds for 250,000 shares each.

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Agree with NP on gold for the next few months. Some of these juniors are selling at the same price as when gold was @250US, ANALysts are just not believing in the this gold bull. When the realization finally hits the whole sector will take off. Am currently in BZA , BTP, EDV and NAG- looking at NSU and NAU as well.
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well, there's your financing news, NP. hello, dilution. not much way to spin this one, this one pretty much blows up the theory that "it was all a fake-out on the gold properties". they're practically giving them away, and the PR even mentions "to focus on their core Montana properties".
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I agree. My theory was wrong. I just wish they would do some drilling in Montana. Palladium will not stay at $210 forever.

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Hey NP waht is up with the price of Palladium. Supply and demand imbalance? Noticed the charts for platinum and palladium are almost opposite the last five years.
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