quote:Originally posted by buckstalker: So CCM...Is it YOUR belief that people that pick up YOUR trash and cook YOUR food are a lower form of human life than say YOU?
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Hey Ray, I have an idea I think you would like. Lets just get rid of hourly wages and pay everyone a fair salary mandated by law. Minimum $40K a year to pick up trash or cook fast food. What say you?
No, why do you say that? What is your problem? Elevate your thinking, and stay out of the thought gutter.
I didn't SAY anything...I ASKED a question It was a tough question for you, I know... I was fairly sure that I wouldn't get an answer from you when I asked Please tell me why a garbage man should not make a living wage for his labor?
I never said a garbage man shouldnt make a living wage for his labor. Maybe I should start putting words in your mouth. Like, why should a garbage man be paid 100K? I dont look down on people who do tough jobs, but I also dont pity them so much that I feel so guilty to pay them more than what that skill is.
On a side note, speaking of guilt, if I had as much white guilt as you do I would go crazy.
White guilt??? You are one twisted phuck... This has nothing to do with race dickweed...it has everything to do with paying working class human beings that don't have the ability to become surveyors or lawyers or engineers a living wage...PERIOD
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RD...I agree 100% with your take on this illusion that our gummit works for and is elected by the people and that our vote counts...I quit voting 10 years ago because I know it's a rigged game and a complete waste of time My fight is not about minimum wage...it is about the elitist pricks that have cut the working man's wages in half and essentially enslaved anyone that doesn't have a college degree or entrepreneurial skills. I'm talking about working class people...carpenters, mechanics, factory workers, etc. who's wages have been cut in half and who's jobs have been eliminated (by design) all the while the cost of living has continued to rise. Not all people have the ability either financially or intellectually to go to college, and I believe that a carpenter's work, for example, is just as important to society as a lawyers or a phucking baseball players...yet we don't pay them enough to make ends meet, let alone prosper.
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I agree 100% with your take on this illusion that our gummit works for and is elected by the people and that our vote counts...I quit voting 10 years ago because I know it's a rigged game and a complete waste of time My fight is not about minimum wage...it is about the elitist pricks that have cut the working man's wages in half and essentially enslaved anyone that doesn't have a college degree or entrepreneurial skills. I'm talking about working class people...carpenters, mechanics, factory workers, etc. who's wages have been cut in half and who's jobs have been eliminated (by design) all the while the cost of living has continued to rise. Not all people have the ability either financially or intellectually to go to college, and I believe that a carpenter's work, for example, is just as important to society as a lawyers or a phucking baseball players...yet we don't pay them enough to make ends meet, let alone prosper.
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quote:Originally posted by buckstalker: RD...I agree 100% with your take on this illusion that our gummit works for and is elected by the people and that our vote counts...I quit voting 10 years ago because I know it's a rigged game and a complete waste of time My fight is not about minimum wage...it is about the elitist pricks that have cut the working man's wages in half and essentially enslaved anyone that doesn't have a college degree or entrepreneurial skills. I'm talking about working class people...carpenters, mechanics, factory workers, etc. who's wages have been cut in half and who's jobs have been eliminated (by design) all the while the cost of living has continued to rise. Not all people have the ability either financially or intellectually to go to college, and I believe that a carpenter's work, for example, is just as important to society as a lawyers or a phucking baseball players...yet we don't pay them enough to make ends meet, let alone prosper.
First: You never need to say you agree with me. I already know we see things the same.
Second: You're completely fn wrong about everything.
Look, you're falling victim to the distraction. Worrying about some unskilled idiot's wages for work better done by a chimp is part of "their" plan. "they" want you to be concerned about the fn feeble idiots..
Do you work for minimum wage? Personal question, yes I know. Do you? No really answer the question.
The only people who think minimum wage is a career plan are those we can live without.
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quote:Originally posted by buckstalker: RD...I agree 100% with your take on this illusion that our gummit works for and is elected by the people and that our vote counts...I quit voting 10 years ago because I know it's a rigged game and a complete waste of time My fight is not about minimum wage...it is about the elitist pricks that have cut the working man's wages in half and essentially enslaved anyone that doesn't have a college degree or entrepreneurial skills. I'm talking about working class people...carpenters, mechanics, factory workers, etc. who's wages have been cut in half and who's jobs have been eliminated (by design) all the while the cost of living has continued to rise. Not all people have the ability either financially or intellectually to go to college, and I believe that a carpenter's work, for example, is just as important to society as a lawyers or a phucking baseball players...yet we don't pay them enough to make ends meet, let alone prosper.
First: You never need to say you agree with me. I already know we see things the same.
Second: You're completely fn wrong about everything.
Look, you're falling victim to the distraction. Worrying about some unskilled idiot's wages for work better done by a chimp is part of "their" plan. "they" want you to be concerned about the fn feeble idiots..
Do you work for minimum wage? Personal question, yes I know. Do you? No really answer the question.
The only people who think minimum wage is a career plan are those we can live without.
First off mister...I like the way you think Second: I AM wrong about everything...ask my wife Again my fight is NOT about minimum wage...its about the deliberate destruction of this country. In answer to your question...NO Furthermore...I am very well aware of the distractions that are before me, and unlike the ignorant masses, I'm not buying any of it...
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You can ask my wife but it just sounds like Charlie Brown's mom.. fd if I know what she's blathering about.
Deliberate destruction of the economy/country sounds a lot like a bloke who posted here years ago.. DiQuiRiesco, or RelentlessDespot, or Relentless something like that
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Not to mention what an as s hole he was.. wow
The complete destruction of the US economy is at hand. Where do we look for said confirmation? Russia is the first.. The rest of BRICs follow suit.
Got bullets?
We are in the initial stages of the end of this nation as a global leader.
For us it is a horrible time. For history it is yet another step towards complete control.
The solution offered will be no different from the plan that failed.
Fiat currency... Bartering with nothing more than a delayed IOU, not enforceable but by an over-reaching governance.
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"My fight is not about minimum wage...it is about the elitist pricks that have cut the working man's wages in half and essentially enslaved anyone that doesn't have a college degree or entrepreneurial skills. I'm talking about working class people...carpenters, mechanics, factory workers, etc. who's wages have been cut in half and who's jobs have been eliminated (by design) all the while the cost of living has continued to rise. Not all people have the ability either financially or intellectually to go to college, and I believe that a carpenter's work, for example, is just as important to society as a lawyers or a phucking baseball players...yet we don't pay them enough to make ends meet, let alone prosper." -------------------------------------------------
Do you guy's have a college degree?
Not sure why having a college degree exempts anyone from what's is going on in the job market?
Working class to me means anyone that works, i do not take points away because they have decided to further their education.
Modernization has taken away jobs and we all know that this will increase.
All those jobs you list have plenty of college educated people working in the industries and plenty that are in the unemployment lines also.
Many of these workers do not even show up on the unemployment stats, because they can not get unemployment any more.
Sure it pisses us off, but most goes back to how are government allows their special interest groups to control, big money talks and gov. listens.
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i know of many Phd's who are miserable in htis job market right now.
maybe they have enough moeny to pay the bills, but Universities all over the country are hiring foreign students and post-docs to fill jobs at much lower wages than American students will accept. It's more than epidemic now, it's even so bad in the Govt that they changed the laws.
they do it because holding somebodies green card makes tehm so much more compliant. The amount of intellecual property "changing hands" in these programs is unbelievable....
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We really messed it up for the next generations.
I'm not sure how we could have stoped our gov. from having so much power, especially when we ask them to protect us every time things start to get bad.
Were in such a bad spiral now that 50 years down the line it will be such a mess. The classes of people will be so far apart, that socializing out of class will most likely become very dangerous.
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Ikea will announce Thursday a plan to raise its average minimum wage at U.S. stores to $10.76 an hour, a 17 percent increase over the current wage.
The lowest wage at its 38 locations won’t all raise to the same level, but will be set based on the cost of living in each area given housing, food, transportation, and taxes. It will be as low as $8.69 in Pittsburgh and as high as $13.22 in Woodbridge, VA. The change will increase pay for about half of the 13,120 American workers employed at its stores.
The store is increasing pay because it is “investing in our co-workers,” Rob Olson, acting president for the United States and CFO, told the New York Times. “We believe they will invest in our customers, and they will invest in Ikea’s stores. We believe that it will be a win-win-win for our co-workers, our customers and our stores.” He noted that while the new pay structure will “be a significant investment,” it won’t mean higher prices for its products.
Ikea’s announcement comes after some other large companies have announced their own voluntary wage increases. The Gap said in February that it will eventually raise its lowest wage to $10 an hour. A hospital in Dallas is increasing its minimum wage to $10.25 an hour with money originally meant for executive bonuses. Two pizza companies in St. Louis raised their lowest pay to $10.10 an hour.
These companies usually cite the same reason: they expect it to help them attract and retain better employees, which will help their bottom lines. The Gap says it has already seen this effect, with the number of job applicants jumping 10 percent since it announced a higher wage. Research backs this idea up, showing that higher minimum wages can make it easier to recruit workers, improve their efficiency, and lower turnover — and the latter is costly, consuming the equivalent of about 20 percent of former employees’ pay to replace them.
The companies’ wage adjustments come while legislative action to raise all workers’ minimum wages has stalled. President Obama and Congressional Democrats have pushed for a $10.10 federal minimum wage, but Republicans blocked it. At least nine states have raised their wages this year, however.
Ikea also offers benefits to its workers. It has a 100 percent match for the first 4 percent of pay contributed to the company’s 401(k) plans, and a 50 percent match for the next 2 percent, as well as a bonus program for all employees.
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On Thursday, Germany’s parliament approved the country’s first ever minimum wage at €8.50, or $11.60, an hour.
The new minimum will take effect in 2015 with a two-year transition period for some businesses. The law also allows some groups to be paid less, including people under 18, short-term interns, and the long-term unemployed. Future increases will be set by an independent commission made up of unions and business representatives, and the first increase could come as early as 2017.
Before the passage of the law, Germany was one of just seven countries out of the 28 members of the European Union without a minimum wage.
And it is already far outpacing the minimum wage in the United States. Ours currently rests at $7.25 an hour and hasn’t been raised in five years. It’s lost much of its purchasing power to inflation over the years; if it had kept up with it since its peak in the 1960s, the wage would be over $10 an hour. And if it had kept up with increases in workers’ productivity, rewarding them for their harder work, it would be nearly $22 an hour.
President Obama and Congressional Democrats have pushed for raising the minimum wage to $10.10 an hour, but Republicans blocked a bill that would have done just that. Despite warnings that a higher minimum wage will cost jobs, states that have raised their minimum wages have experienced healthy job growth, even among small businesses. A $10.10 wage would also lift millions out of poverty, particularly helping women and people of color.
In light of this evidence and a lack of Congressional action, states have been raising their own wages, although none have gotten to quite the same level as Germany’s. Massachusetts comes the closest, raising its minimum wage to $11 by 2017. Vermont put its wage at $10.50 an hour and three others, Connecticut, Hawaii, and Maryland, have passed the $10.10 level sought by President Obama. But some city wages surpass Germany, such as the $15 an hour wage agreed upon in Seattle.
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If someone makes $7.25 an hour and thinks that's a career choice? Well then that particular person deserves to live the life they've prepared for themselves.
Any argument to the contrary is ABSOLUTE bs.
You are paid what you are worth. Try being worth more.
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don't worry much more to come as time goes on. I just love seeing people handle there problems locally. BTW I am not arguing I am stating results and I will continue to do so.
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In a new national poll, 61 percent of small business owners with under 100 employees say they support gradually increasing the minimum wage to $10.10 an hour.
The poll contacted 555 owners of for-profit small businesses. They supported increasing the wage, which has stayed at $7.25 an hour for five years, to $10.10 over two and a half years, and then letting it automatically rise as inflation rises. Just 35 percent opposed this proposal.
The largest share of poll respondents identified as Republicans, and those who did were evenly split in support or opposition to the wage increase.
The owners also felt that there would be positive impacts from raising the wage: 58 percent said it would increase consumer purchasing power in the economy, and 56 percent said it would help the economy generally. Many also felt it would help them specifically, with 53 percent agreeing that businesses would benefit from lower turnover, increased productivity, and customer satisfaction.
Earlier polls have similarly found that small businesses back a higher wage. Nearly 60 percent supported a $10.10 wage, with 27 percent strongly in favor, in a different poll from March. And while the National Federation of Independent Business, which represents small business owners, vocally opposes increasing the wage, its most recent survey of its members found that they ranked “Minimum Wage/’Living’ Wage” at number 52 out of 75 issues that they are concerned about. Meanwhile, just 8.6 percent said the issue is “critical,” while more than a quarter said it isn’t a problem.
There are signs that the owners are right to expect positive economic impacts from a higher wage. In Washington, which currently has the highest state minimum wage, small businesses experienced the highest rate of job growth of any state over the last year. Economists have found that higher minimum wages can improve efficiency as employers push their employees to work harder and lower turnover, which can cost as much as 20 percent of a worker’s full-time salary. It can also make it easier to recruit employees.
Some large businesses also see a benefit, as The Gap and Ikea announced they will voluntarily increase their lowest wages. Both stores said they were making the move in anticipation of better employee performance and customer experience.
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So far ten states have passed higher wages since January: Delaware to $8.25 an hour; West Virginia to $8.75; Rhode Island to $9; Michigan to $9.25; Minnesota to $9.50; Connecticut, Hawaii, and Maryland to $10.10; Vermont to $10.50; and Massachusetts to $11 an hour. They’re not alone: 22 states have wage floors above the federal minimum. The city of Seattle has gone even further, implementing a $15 wage
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quote:Originally posted by raybond: So far ten states have passed higher wages since January: Delaware to $8.25 an hour; West Virginia to $8.75; Rhode Island to $9; Michigan to $9.25; Minnesota to $9.50; Connecticut, Hawaii, and Maryland to $10.10; Vermont to $10.50; and Massachusetts to $11 an hour. They’re not alone: 22 states have wage floors above the federal minimum. The city of Seattle has gone even further, implementing a $15 wage
Ray, can you explain to me why we need to raise minimum wage. In your own words please. Can you also, in that soon to be brilliant diatribe, explain the future effects on the economy?
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How A Labor Coalition Plans To Bring Paid Sick Leave And A Higher Minimum Wage To The Bay Area
By Josh Israel July 9, 2014 at 4:05 pm Updated: July 9, 2014 at 4:27 pm
"How A Labor Coalition Plans To Bring Paid Sick Leave And A Higher Minimum Wage To The Bay Gary Jimenez SEIU Local 1021 regional vice president Gary Jimenez
This November, voters in Oakland, CA will have the opportunity to establish a minimum wage of $12.25 and ensure paid sick days for employees. In nearby San Francisco, voters will weigh in on a measure that would raise the city’s minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2016. And, a coalition of labor and community groups are working actively to ensure, voters in neighboring communities like Berkeley, Concord, and Richmond will have similar opportunities by 2016.
Last month, Service Employees International Union-United Healthcare Workers West (SEIU-UHW)’s president proposed that the labor movement launch an audacious national effort to place living wage measures on the ballot in the 24 states with ballot initiative processes. SEIU-UHW had successfully pushed the state hospital trade association into reaching an agreement on a joint project by using the threat of a ballot initiative to limit hospital charges and salaries and he hoped to take the strategy national. As he was launching the “Live Better Together” proposal, another SEIU local was already hard at work — with coalitions of other labor organizations, workers centers, and community groups on a plan to put minimum wage laws on the ballot in jurisdictions across the Bay Area.
SEIU Local 1021 regional vice president Gary Jimenez, who is heading up the Oakland coalition of labor unions locals and other labor organizations, told ThinkProgress that these efforts are about boosting the floor for workers throughout the San Francisco Bay: “Corporations are making billions in record profits, yet workers are as bad off as, if not worse off, than before the economic downturn. It’s time to level the playing field. We are excited.”
It’s time to level the playing field. We are excited.
Like the hospital workers, Service Employees International Union Local 1021 may have helped maneuver the San Francisco government and business community into accepting a minimum wage increase. In April, it proposed a ballot referendum to raise the city of San Francisco’s minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2016. The San Francisco Chamber of Commerce denounced the proposal, saying it was “outraged by the preemptive minimum wage ballot measure,” and “a thinly veiled attempt to influence the outcome of the consensus-building process” being convened by San Francisco Mayor Ed Lee (D).
But when Lee, SEIU 1021, and the other groups in the Coalition for a Fair Economy jointly announced that compromise last month, a representative from the Chamber was even on hand for the announcement. Their “consensus measure,” which will allow voters to raise the minimum to that $15 level by 2018, will now be the one on the ballot in November. While a Chamber’s board will not take a formal position on the proposal until the end of the month, its public policy committee co-chair applauded the Mayor for “considering the impact to businesses – large and small – as he led this effort to bring people together to send one strong measure to the voters this November.”
Jimenez explained that the SEIU 1021 proposal “helped pave the way for groups to come together.” “From our perspective,” he said, “we felt it was important to put all the pressure we could to make it the most progressive measure we could in San Francisco. Had that not come together, we were prepared.”
Jim Lazarus, the San Francisco Chamber’s senior vice president of public policy, told ThinkProgress that the SEIU’s gambit helped make the consensus measure more labor-friendly. “There’s no doubt that their political strategy of threatening a ballot measure had a big impact on the outcome of the mayor’s discussions and the drafting of that measure,” he explained. “If it had come through the normal process, we might have been able to moderate the ramp up and have something everyone could support, which was our hope.” Still, while he said the Chamber has concerns that this version could raise wages too quickly, especially for tipped workers and new employees, he predicted that “it’s probably something the business community will not organize to attempt to defeat.”
Lazarus predicts that the measure is likely to pass easily this November: increasing the minimum wage “passed with 60 percent in 2003, it’ll do at least that well this time,” he said, “I don’t expect a lot of opposition from the business community, I just don’t expect a lot of support.”
There’s no doubt that their political strategy of threatening a ballot measure had a big impact
In Oakland, Local 1021 joined with SEIU’s United Long Term Care Workers, United Food and Commercial Workers Local 5, UNITE HERE 2850, and other worker-rights community organizations to form Lift Up Oakland for Better Wages, Healthy Families and a Healthy Economy. Together, they collected more than 33,000 signatures and put a $12.25 minimum wage on the ballot. Their proposal would also require five or nine paid sick days (depending on business size), protect hospitality workers from wage theft, and tie the minimum wage to the consumer price index (CPI).
The Oakland Metropolitan Chamber of Commerce is attempting to prevent this from passing, offering its own countermeasure to stagger an increase over three years and reduce the amount of sick-leave for employees at small businesses — but since the time for ballot petitions for this November has passed, its only route to the this year’s general election ballot would require action by the city council.
“The alternative is inferior to the Lift Up Oakland measure, as any kind of real increase wouldn’t be seen until five-years out,” Jimenez argued. “They call it ‘$13 in 3′, but that’s disingenuous, [as many workers] wouldn’t see anything close to the $12.25 we’re proposing until five years [from now] and they haven’t tied it to CPI. We figured that that’s the is most progressive thing we could do. Gas rises, housing costs rise, so should people’s wages.” He believes these values are “not something the people want to compromise on,” and noted that a recent poll by the Chamber found about 70 percent support for the $12.25 minimum.
The Oakland Metropolitan Chambers of Commerce did not immediately respond to a ThinkProgress request for comment.
Gas rises, housing costs rise, so should people’s wages
Similar efforts are underway in other area jurisdictions. Jimenez noted that different coalitions are already working in Berkeley, Concord, Richmond, Sonoma, and Sunnyvale to bring minimum wage initiatives to voters by 2016: “We’re looking at this as a regional referendum… This stuff is popping up like popcorn. People are feeling the heat of low wages and higher expenses and it’s coming up organically… popping up here, popping up there.” After seeing the successful efforts in Seattle, he said, people are saying “we could do that here.”
A recent analysis of Lift Up Oakland’s proposal by economists from the Institute for Research on Labor and Employment at University of California, Berkeley and policy experts from the Institute for Women’s Policy Research found that up to 48,000 workers (about 30 percent of workers in Oakland), would benefit from the $12.25 minimum wage, including a significant number of workers of color.
California Gov. Jerry Brown (D) signed a law last September that will raise the statewide minimum hourly wage to $10 by 2016. A proposal to increase that to $13 by 2017, filed by State Senator Mark Leno (D) in February, cleared the Senate but did not pass the Assembly.
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quote:Originally posted by raybond: So far ten states have passed higher wages since January: Delaware to $8.25 an hour; West Virginia to $8.75; Rhode Island to $9; Michigan to $9.25; Minnesota to $9.50; Connecticut, Hawaii, and Maryland to $10.10; Vermont to $10.50; and Massachusetts to $11 an hour. They’re not alone: 22 states have wage floors above the federal minimum. The city of Seattle has gone even further, implementing a $15 wage
Ray, can you explain to me why we need to raise minimum wage. In your own words please. Can you also, in that soon to be brilliant diatribe, explain the future effects on the economy?
Guessing that's a no then
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The Oakland Raiders will pay their cheerleaders $9 an hour, in line with the California state minimum wage, for all work the Raiderettes perform for the team during the 2014-2015 season, the team quietly announced near the end of June.
Former cheerleaders alleged wage theft and unfair labor practices in a lawsuit against the team filed in January, saying that they earned less than $5 per hour if all of their work, from games to practices to promotional appearances, was included.
The Raiders posted the new wage on audition fliers that are no longer on the team’s web site, according to NBC Bay Area, which first reported the wage increase this week.
Since former Raiderette Lacy T. filed the lawsuit against the Raiders, cheerleaders from four other teams — the Buffalo Bills, New York Jets, Cincinnati Bengals, and Tampa Bay Buccaneers — have filed similar suits, some of them alleging pay as low as $2 per hour.
Caitlin Y., another of the plaintiffs against the Raiders, has decided to return to the squad, according to Slate’s Amanda Hess.
The suit will continue toward arbitration to determine whether the cheerleaders who brought it are owed back wages, and there are still other problems around NFL cheerleaders, like the fact that the former Bills cheerleaders said they were subjected to “jiggle tests” to check their weights. And wage theft remains a major problem throughout professional sports, from cheerleaders to office workers to minor league baseball players, and outside of sports too.
The other suits are also proceeding. Tuesday, a federal judge denied a motion to dismiss the suit against the Bills.
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Sorry Raychel, are you considering $9/hr for an NFL cheerleader a "Win"? Just a little clarification please.
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