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http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-admin-knew-mil lions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance#comments


President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.
Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC NEWS that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”

“This says that when they made the promise, they knew half the people in this market outright couldn’t keep what they had and then they wrote the rules so that others couldn’t make it either,”


More on the link. The lies that were told about this mess should finally open some eyes. Democrats rammed this through with bribes and without reading it. Now look, and its just the first month of the rollout.

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yup you are right cash its a mess. Obama may be the undoing of his own well intentions. Something the republicans could not do.

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Oh this is sick


House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer conceded to reporters today that Democrats knew people would not be able to keep their current health care plans under Obamacare and expressed qualified contrition for President Obama’s repeated vows to the contrary.

“We knew that there would be some policies that would not qualify and therefore people would be required to get more extensive coverage,” Hoyer said in response to a question from National Review.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/362484/top-dem-admits-we-knew-jonathan-stro ng


lies, lies, and more lies just to shove up the peoples butt. Seeing the scandals, cover ups, and misleading statements on so many issues, Obama has 3 more years to really show his true colors.

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why is this all-of-a-sudden news?

it was obvious from the very beginning that people were going to have to upgrade their insurance because the Govt set a minimum standard for coverage.... Upside even went into great detail about this weeks ago..

teh T-Party didn't have to shutdown the Govt and threaten bankruptcy.... all they had to do was wait for this to dawn on people that didn't already know it..... i'm amazed at how many didn't...

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I know, I wish the tea party guys would have just let them fall on their sword. However, its getting so bad people are forgetting the shutdown, AND are giving it a pass because they see what they were protesting.

Jon Stewart mocks Obama 10-28-13 for ignorance on spying and health care, this is funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwYBI8Rin3g#t=126

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jon stewart has mocked obama alot in the past, it's just gone unnoticed...

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i think that the media is turning on Obama in a general way right now(event he "liberal media") because they are fianlly beginning to realise that they have all been hacked.

if the NSA will listen in on Merkel's personal phone (a friendly head of state with all kinds of treaties in place) ? they'll listen in and tap all the media people too- 1st amnedment be damned...


the love affair is over [Wink]

waht was it Bush said? the Constitution is "just" a peice of paper?

i belive this stuff was going on long before 9-11, it's just more complete and sophisticated now... FB and Google have made it possible to literally file and search EVERYTHING now [Wink]

before? they copied everything and stored it, so they could follow up on leads after the fact, NOW htey can search it real time with google bots and send out alerts for code wrods and phrases, and be pro-active towardds preventing whatever they are trying to prevent, which could be anything they don;t like...

i wonder if you misspell word and make up your ownlanguag? can the ggole bots decipher it and flag you?

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Did you see that story of the couple in Boston who looked up certain items one for their home and one for their kid at school online and quickly had agents at their home? This was after that whole incident they had.

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Did you see that story of the couple in Boston who looked up certain items one for their home and one for their kid at school online and quickly had agents at their home? This was after that whole incident they had.

i've seen several reports of that.

i have looked up thousands of things that would set off alrms. but i just have an insatiable curiosity is all...

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i even wonder if "they" can decipher the image files [Wink]

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they should hire the NSA to do the health care website [Big Grin]

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get your digs in now this will pass over in about 60 days affordable health will still be the law of the land, and most likely there will be a gov. option.

The yea party will not get there way for a lot of reasons but mostly they are just to stupid to wage a war without destroying themselves.

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watching sebelius testify, the news and people in Congress are saying healthcare.gov is crashed, so of course i clicked on it and i got in immediately...


am i able to get in cuz i'm not on cellphone?

also? there is no such thing as an unhackable website.

the chinese have opened up just about every one of our most secure sites. banks and DOD, and they are not as good as our hackers legit and anonymous.

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quote:
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get your digs in now this will pass over in about 60 days affordable health will still be the law of the land, and most likely there will be a gov. option.

The yea party will not get there way for a lot of reasons but mostly they are just to stupid to wage a war without destroying themselves.

Sebelius was roasted today. Now we have security issues to go with the functionality issues. Your data is not safe when you enter it in!!

So Ray you support the President, congress, and their staffers to be exempt from the holy grail Obamacare? Give me a break man. Wake up.

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Sure I support the president and the rest of our government cash what the hell type of work did I do most of my life. I sure don't support somebody like you.

Nothing personal I would have a beer with you but I don't dink anymore.

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LOL. cashcow you see a roast and i see a bunch of idiots making asses of themselves.

i watched a woman congressperson claim that single men can't have babies and therefore should not have to pay into insurance that includes the costs of delivering children?

i'm sorry, but these people and that stupid woman in particular are animals. as in not human.

there's no point in having any insurance at all if you aren't going to cost-average the whole thing. all they did today was act like wolves that haven't fed in two weeks. who do you think pays for uninsured woemn to deliver babies right now? LOL...

those people i watched today are not even worhty of being meber of a wolfpack.

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Ray, somehow I'm pretty sure you still dink a lot
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I watched the repubapigs to day and I feel they are sealing there chances in the next election. As in bye-bye baby.

You have to remember that these are the people that opposed affordable health care from the beginning and failed 43 times.They have not come up with any plan themselves for anything. Basicly they don't want anything to change let the poor get there healthcare on the tax payer, over load the emergency centers in the hospitals. And then let the rich be relieved of any of the tax burden.

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quote:
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I watched the repubapigs to day and I feel they are sealing there chances in the next election. As in bye-bye baby.

You have to remember that these are the people that opposed affordable health care from the beginning and failed 43 times.They have not come up with any plan themselves for anything. Basicly they don't want anything to change let the poor get there healthcare on the tax payer, over load the emergency centers in the hospitals. And then let the rich be relieved of any of the tax burden.

Not going to matter when a ton of Obama voters are getting booted off their healthcare that they were totally fine with and forced to pay higher premiums.
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Lots of static, right now.

Remember the "group gropes," fellas?

FUD?

True, this health-care act has been horribly mismanaged. Yet, it's also true that it's the first genuine attempt to bring affordable health-care insurance to the "rest of the folk."

Some folks complaining about losing their $50-a-month policy did not really have comprehensive policies, at all. They were scammed, and now they're complaining about having their scam taken away...

Reminds me of GLUV

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quote:
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Lots of static, right now.

Remember the "group gropes," fellas?

FUD?

True, this health-care act has been horribly mismanaged. Yet, it's also true that it's the first genuine attempt to bring affordable health-care insurance to the "rest of the folk."

Some folks complaining about losing their $50-a-month policy did not really have comprehensive policies, at all. They were scammed, and now they're complaining about having their scam taken away...

Reminds me of GLUV

I am sure that is EXACTLY what it is Tex.
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Good. You can rest better.

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quote:
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I know, I wish the tea party guys would have just let them fall on their sword. However, its getting so bad people are forgetting the shutdown, AND are giving it a pass because they see what they were protesting.

Jon Stewart mocks Obama 10-28-13 for ignorance on spying and health care, this is funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwYBI8Rin3g#t=126

That's funny

...just a character in a movie about the country falling apart.

yup.

Plausible deniability. There are so many segments of our framework running on their own agenda. And that's not funny.

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quote:
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......I don't dink anymore.

Your wife must love you.
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i understand they have treatments for that now....

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quote by upside

Your wife must love you.

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I don't know what you mean by that post upside.

My wife does love me as I love her.

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quote:
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Your wife must love you.

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I don't know what you mean by that post upside.

My wife does love me as I love her.

Well at least you have that going for you. Could be worse!
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i've never been a "fan" of Obamacare. I don't like being forced to buy private insurance. But the recent round of populist complaining about people losing good helath care and being "forced" into Obamacare don't float the boat neither...
this following story is a perfect example of why we desperately needed reform- dumb consumers


here's what is really happening to people;

Another Obamacare horror story debunked "Please explain to me," she told Maria Bartiromo on CNBC Wednesday, "how my plan is a 'substandard' plan when ... I'd be paying more for the exchange plans than I am currently paying by a wide margin."

Bartiromo didn't take her up on her request. So I will.

EXTRA: My camel meat meal in Somalia

The bottom line is that Cavallaro's assertion that "there's nothing affordable about the Affordable Care Act," as she put it Tuesday on NBC Channel 4, is the product of her own misunderstandings, abetted by a passel of uninformed and incurious news reporters.

I talked with Cavallaro, 60, after her CNBC appearance. Let's walk through what she told me.

Her current plan, from Anthem Blue Cross, is a catastrophic coverage plan for which she pays $293 a month as an individual policyholder. It requires her to pay a deductible of $5,000 a year and limits her out-of-pocket costs to $8,500 a year. Her plan also limits her to two doctor visits a year, for which she shoulders a copay of $40 each. After that, she pays the whole cost of subsequent visits.

This fits the very definition of a nonconforming plan under Obamacare. The deductible and out-of-pocket maximums are too high, the provisions for doctor visits too skimpy.

As for a replacement plan, she says she was quoted $478 a month by her insurance broker, but that's a lot more than she'll really be paying. Cavallaro told me she hasn't checked the website of Covered California, the state's health plan exchange, herself. I did so while we talked.

Here's what I found. I won't divulge her current income, which is personal, but this year it qualifies her for a hefty federal premium subsidy.

At her age, she's eligible for a good "silver" plan for $333 a month after the subsidy -- $40 a month more than she's paying now. But the plan is much better than her current plan -- the deductible is $2,000, not $5,000. The maximum out-of-pocket expense is $6,350, not $8,500. Her co-pays would be $45 for a primary care visit and $65 for a specialty visit -- but all visits would be covered, not just two.


http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-debunked-20131030,0,6010994.sto ry#axzz2jW2mHOqN

unfortuanltey? in the long run, Obamacare will fail init's present form too...

it's time to put aside the partisan crapola and fix obamcare so that it can work.

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Well at least you have that going for you. Could be worse!


Well all I can say is no matter what you think of me keep third parties out of your humor

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posted by glassman

it's time to put aside the partisan crapola and fix obamcare so that it can work.

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That is what the American people want to see happen. And the way it use to work. And that is why the tea party is polling lower than roaches

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they used to use earmarks to do it ray, everybody would write dwon their dream "wish" and they'd trade them with each other for votes...

while i agree that alot of money was being wasted on some earmarks? others were great projects that do in fact stimulate economic activity....

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Instead what did the tea party do ? They ran up another 24 billion in debt. How's that for a bunch of crap. 24 billion and nothing to show for
it, they should be made to pay the bill give me ear marks any day.

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Analysis: Tens of millions could be forced out of health insurance they had


"Combined, as many as 52 million Americans could lose or have lost old insurance plans."

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/11/07/207909/analysis-tens-of-millions-could.htm l#storylink=cpy

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http://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/bush-the-constitution-a-goddamned-piece-of-pape r/

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