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EPA Is Using Drones to Spy on Iowa Cattle Ranchers
Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency is using aerial drones to spy on farmers in Nebraska and Iowa. The surveillance came under scrutiny last week when Nebraska’s congressional delegation sent a joint letter to EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson.
On Friday, EPA officialdom in “Region 7” responded to the letter.
“Courts, including the Supreme Court, have found similar types of flights to be legal (for example to take aerial photographs of a chemical manufacturing facility) and EPA would use such flights in appropriate instances to protect people and the environment from violations of the Clean Water Act,” the agency said in response to the letter.
“They are just way on the outer limits of any authority they’ve been granted,” said Mike Johanns, a Republican senator from Nebraska.
In fact, the EPA has absolutely zero authority and is an unconstitutional entity of an ever-expanding and rogue federal government. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution does not authorize Congress to legislate in the area of the environment. Under the Tenth Amendment, this authority is granted to the states and their legislatures, not the federal government.
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back when i lived in VA? my ex-submarine captain neighbor was paid by the govt to photograph the whole state by airplane. he bid a contract to do it- i laid on the floor of his plane the first year he had the contract and snapped a picture every 20 seconds all day for 2 weeks... yawn.
no difference here. nobody complained then, the photos were of crops being planted (or not)
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: back when i lived in VA? my ex-submarine captain neighbor was paid by the govt to photograph the whole state by airplane. he bid a contract to do it- i laid on the floor of his plane the first year he had the contract and snapped a picture every 20 seconds all day for 2 weeks... yawn.
no difference here. nobody complained then, the photos were of crops being planted (or not)
Its not streaming glass, the new drones coming out can go for days or weeks at a time, streaming real time footage of you in your yard.
Its no big deal right? Because the government knows whats best with what it collects from us...which is why we need to let those Bush cuts expire and pull more money into Washington because it wont get wasted in another country or squandered in pork here at home.
Pre-crime will be a thing in the not too distant future. Monitoring citizens for certain patterns of behavior that pre-programmed computers can pick up on and alert some center where it gets a deeper look.
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cash, i don't 'like" the govt. a cop ain't my bud cuz he has uniform. but there's job need'n doing.
cattle ranchers? complaining abou the govt? LOl.
read this:
Estimates of the screwworm population in any given year are based on the number of infested animals, referred to as cases. Prior to 1962, livestock owners estimated that one million cases were treated in Texas in a normal year. Thousands of cases were reportedly treated each year in Louisiana, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Kansas and Missouri as a result of the migration of screwworms from Texas.
In 1961 a massive educational campaign was conducted. Hundreds of thousands of sample vials and forms to be completed were distributed to livestock owners. They were instructed to collect a sample of larvae from each animal treated for a suspected screwworm infestation and to return the sample and form with pertinent data to the designated laboratory for identification.
The winter of 1961-62 was very severe, and the screwworm population in the overwintering area was reduced to an unusually low level. Taking advantage of this natural suppression, the USDA Research facility at Kerrville, Texas began production of sterile flies in February 1962. Weekly production was initially 5 million but increased to over 22 million flies by May 1962. Sterile flies were dispersed at the rate of 80 per square kilometre over central Texas. The effects were monitored by collection of egg masses from wounded sheep, and as many as 75 percent were found to be sterile (Bushland, 1985).
In June 1962, production of sterile screwworm flies began in a new plant in Texas. The flies were initially distributed over 388500 km² of Texas and New Mexico and in a band extending 80 km south of the Texas border into Mexico. Production of flies gradually increased from 28 million per week in July to 75 million per week by October 1962.
never heard of it before? that's cuz we have pushed them all the way to south america where we have stopped because the cattle ranchers don't WANT US to go furhter, becuase it will hurt their business.
that is considered the most effective pest control program in human history ( i'm sure Pagan will have somethign to say about thatt tho )
there si no way to really cacklack the benefits to ranchers adn ultimatley consumers..
it's just not possible to put real numbers on it. now, not everything about th govt is good or bad. but when you NEED the govt? they BETTER friggin be there,right?
the only way to make sure they are is tokeep 'em around like a unwanted parasite that once inawhile saves your life
why are these guys whining about drones when they never compalined about airplanes with people in 'em? and never complained when the Govt certified their cattle to be free of mad cow (LOL) disease?
cuz we WOULD have mad cow here and now if it weren't for the US Govt telling the feed makers they can't use bovine (cattel) bone meal in the feed.. they would grow better if they used it.. then they would start dropping on thground writhing around and get carried to teh market for us to eat.
all this whining is just sad....
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as to the issue of watching us in our in our yard? they have had that technology for years with satellites anyway. this is cheaper... get over it man. the world changes around you change or be left behind. this ain't goin away unless civilization does too...
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i wonder if it possible to even know what is really going on form the internet anymore?
by the way cash that plane my neighbor had? he was ex-nam era and he bough it cuz it was a 4 seater used in nam as a scout plane- it was fondly called a push me pull you, or better known a aCessna skymaster - his was 4 seater... just like thye say they are still using in this article...
The recent controversy over the Environmental Protection Agency’s aerial surveillance of cattle farmers in Iowa and Nebraska has led to suggestions that they are using drones to spy on cattle ranches.
The EPA is defending its right to use aerial surveillance in areas that have high numbers of impaired watersheds and Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations (CAFOs), justifying the surveillance in part by saying that the planes used are not drones, but four-seat Cessna planes.
EPA spokesperson Chris Lancaster told The Daily Caller that the planes are manned by privately contracted pilots with EPA staff on board.
Since 2010, there have been 18 CAFO flyovers in Nebraska and Iowa, which have led to eight farmers receiving penalty orders, mostly in Iowa.
Lancaster said that the photos collected on flyovers are reviewed only by EPA staff and that this is entirely an EPA initiative, not associated with any other environmental group.
Aerial surveillance has been a cost-effective measure for the EPA. It has allowed them to eliminate the need for on-site inspections on CAFOs that are in compliance with their regulations.
However, for the farmers the flyovers are costing them more. According to The Omaha World-Herald, they feel that EPA regulations are undermining state environmental regulations. Farmers are concerned that they are going to have to funnel more money into manure-control to meet federal regulations, after having already invested in meeting state regulations.
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Drones That May Fly ‘Indefinitely’ Can Be Recharged By Lasers
LOS ANGELES (KNX 1070) — A recently demonstrated breakthrough in technology may help Unmanned Aerial Systems (UAS), better known as drones, stay airborne for very long periods of time before having to return to Earth.
This development comes at a time when the U.S. government is actively encouraging the domestic use of drones, first by law enforcement, and later, by private concerns.
Lockheed Martin and a company called LaserMotive have been able to keep a drone flying for some 49 hours non-stop, using a ground-based laser to recharge the drone’s on board battery, says Tom Koonce, the project manager for Lockheed Martin, in an interview with KNX1070 Newsradio.
The test, says Koonce, was conducted in a wind tunnel in Palmdale. The system will very soon be tested in actual airspace in the desert, requiring coordination with both the FAA and NASA to keep the ground-based laser from interfering with either commercial aircraft or Earth-orbiting space vehicles.
“Maybe it’s police, maybe it’s fire, maybe it’s emergency services. If they need to be up overhead for a long period of time, that makes a lot of sense to put a system like this in place,” says Koonce, who also told KNX1070′s Charles Feldman that “it aligns very well with the president’s directive to the FAA to prepare unmanned aerial systems into the national airspace to integrate them seamlessly by 2015.”
this technology is DIRECLTY a result of US GOVT TAX DOLLARS, being spent and you are worried that somebody is going to catch you doing soemthing wierd to your sheep in the backyard?
seriously> Beamed power competitions held in 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2009 were directed at space elevator applications. Teams built mechanical devices (climbers) that could propel themselves up a vertical cable. The power supply for the device was not self-contained but remained on the ground. The technical challenge was to transmit the power to the climber and transform it into mechanical motion, efficiently and reliably. In the 2009 competition, the competitors drove their laser-powered devices up a cable one kilometer high, suspended from a helicopter. LaserMotive LLC was awarded $900,000 in the 2009 Power Beaming Challenge. Official results, as well as video and photography, are available at:
seriously? i don't like the drones in my backyard either and I am alawabiding citizen so i wouldnever do anthing to them
i fianlly got my laser sight for my ruger 22 comp slabside. it's pretty cool.
if you read that article i linked? it mentions how the near infrared lasers show up on most cameras even tho we don't see them..... just another "glimpse" into how these things don't always work too good
on ebay you can almost always buy infrared lasers up to about 100 watts
bigger ones over 100 watts show up on occasion, but they get expesnive fast, but no more than say- an Ar15 fully floated bull barrel with laser and 20X mildot night scope
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: So what will you all feel when you find out drones are looking at you in your backyard? By both government and private sectors? Collecting your patterns of behavior such as time of day you leave your house, and what you do in your backyard such as target shoot, or make something, or whatever. Its all no big deal right? Lets keep blaming Republicans for their faults and dismiss any adverse moves made in the current administration. I could care less if Republicans signed off on this with Democrats. Obama has the final say, he can say this is too creepy and too much big government, but he never talks like that when it comes to expansion.
All I ever hear is "but...Republicans yadda yadda yadda". but but but....
Somehow even though Obama is the President, if something goes wrong its because the Republicans started it.
Gee glass, am I still wearing a tin foil hat when it comes to the massive increase in drone use, and the coming drone use in society? Drone attacks on American Citizens.....I thought citizens were given a trial before guilty. The use of them by corporate interests, your local police dept, your neighbor, etc.
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cash, have you bought your 100 watt infrared laser yet? they really will brun out the optics on most everything within a couple hundred yards, you just need to focus it properly...
war is hell, and we are always at war, quit whining so damn much and do something.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: cash, have you bought your 100 watt infrared laser yet? they really will brun out the optics on most everything within a couple hundred yards, you just need to focus it properly...
war is hell, and we are always at war, quit whining so damn much and do something.
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i toldja before cash the USDA has been using them for along time to study crops... that's half those flights listed... they'll be using them to crop- dust before long...
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Keep the tin foil hat jokes and black helicopter remarks coming, but this is serious and is happening right before your eyes. If this was President Bush the media would be all over it, but since Obama is in office....this is "no big deal".
This is why we need a Republican in the White House...the Liberal media cannot call this president out for fear of being labeled racist...had Mitt Romney be elected you can bet the hounds on MSNBC would have been all over this...
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quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Keep the tin foil hat jokes and black helicopter remarks coming, but this is serious and is happening right before your eyes. If this was President Bush the media would be all over it, but since Obama is in office....this is "no big deal".
This is why we need a Republican in the White House...the Liberal media cannot call this president out for fear of being labeled racist...had Mitt Romney be elected you can bet the hounds on MSNBC would have been all over this...
seriously? i don't beleive that. first off? Bush did it Paksitan after Obama campaigned on it... they may have been doing it in secret prior to that, but whne Obma was campaigning he stated he would use drones to attack alqueda in pakistan and Bush began announcing he was foing it just a few eeks later..
as tot the drone flying over the US? i have been aware of projects using drones since about 2005 at USDA, they regualry advertise for new hires to work on the project, it is an open non0secret project. heck i knew one guy who was using them to track fire ants in '06....
all of this the sky is falling stuff is silly...
the ONLY questionable activity so far is killing US citizens who have claimed allegiance to alqueda overseas, and i don't care, that dude they klled earned it IMO...
if they want to impeach Obam for doing ti? then they should, and they prolly can win it and unseat him if they want. i don't care tho... it's like the torture thing tho, i don't approve if it either, but it should have been done and then the torturers should have been presidentially pardoned. Bush himself shuld have pardoned thoem for doing what had to be done, that is IMO what the presidential pardon was really for, not as gift, but to interven when you have to break the law on occasion..
the drones are nothing new anyway, i took photos of crops under contract for the USDA laying inte floor of plane all day every for weeks as far back as the early 90's... this saves alot of moeny, they paid me and the pilot very well ... now they don't have to pay as much.
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If the American citizen you are talking about is the bozo overseas hob nobbing with our enemy alqueda, IMHO he had no rights as an American. Look at what these people did to us. French fry them all'and the hell with anybodies opinion.
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quote:Originally posted by raybond: If the American citizen you are talking about is the bozo overseas hob nobbing with our enemy alqueda, IMHO he had no rights as an American. Look at what these people did to us. French fry them all'and the hell with anybodies opinion.
that's who i am talking about ray, and you cannot "just" suspend people rights without due process...
in battlefeild situation? yes, and tht is how Obama will defned himslef, but ray, the next thing you know? citizens in the USA will lose thier rights cuz they don't think like you, and that is the slippery slope
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We did not feel that way with our enemies in WWII and our rights were protected.
If you were overseas having a nice lunch with Osama and a 1000 lb bomb fell on you its just To damn bad. I can't see where this is a civil rights issue.
As a matter of fact why don't you call up what is left of Osama's staff invite them all out to lunch and talk over rights and events sit down on a sidewalk cafe and dare anybody to touch youbecause you are an American.And when a drone blows you to kingdom come you will be happy to know that your family has a civil rights suit in your behalf.
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LOL... you are back on fictitious ground. executing US citizens wherever they are is not ok. it's called due process, i can show you in the Constitution where it is . you can have trials in absentia and find them guilty, but here's the thing, there's a huge difference between sending in a team and killing somebody like Osama when his finger is on the trigger and he is not a US citizen, and sending in a drone to kill a US citizen... as to violation of civil rights? LOL, it is called Murder in th eFirst degree is what it is called.
you don't wanna see the differnce but you would be screaming if Bush did it. you are nothing but partisan hack and you could care less about civil rights, the only thing you care about is your precious party, just like cashcow
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What is the difference an f-22 flying .overhead or a drone or in my fathers day a p-38. War aircaft have been flying around you forever. -------------------------------------------------
I don't think a drone flying over is the same as a war aircraft flying over.
They both might fly over, but i am guessing one is gathering information, and the other is just flying over. I am not positive of this, since i am not controling either, again just a guess.
quote:Originally posted by glassman: LOL... you are back on fictitious ground. executing US citizens wherever they are is not ok. it's called due process, i can show you in the Constitution where it is . you can have trials in absentia and find them guilty, but here's the thing, there's a huge difference between sending in a team and killing somebody like Osama when his finger is on the trigger and he is not a US citizen, and sending in a drone to kill a US citizen... as to violation of civil rights? LOL, it is called Murder in th eFirst degree is what it is called.
you don't wanna see the differnce but you would be screaming if Bush did it. you are nothing but partisan hack and you could care less about civil rights, the only thing you care about is your precious party, just like cashcow
So...you are saying...that killing any US citizen anywhere by the military without "due process" is not acceptable?
What if...Adolf Hitler had been born in the US and migrated to Germany as a child. He would still be a US citizen at that point. But you would be opposed to a drone strike that might eliminate him? A strike that might eliminate the holocaust? Really? Your such a fool/tool sometimes.
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According to glass if there is a bunch of people we are at war with and we find out where they are hidding we should send in immagration first and see if they are citizens before we take them out. What do we do if they are green cards ?
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According to glass if there is a bunch of people we are at war with and we find out where they are hidding we should send in immagration first and see if they are citizens before we take them out. What do we do if they are green cards _________________________________________________
They will probably run if they see immigration coming, even if they have green cards.
Problem is Raybond, many of those green cards, are not quite what they want to show immmigration.
In the past, i have seen many different names on green cards for the same person, as they go back and forth across the border.
quote:Originally posted by glassman: LOL... you are back on fictitious ground. executing US citizens wherever they are is not ok. it's called due process, i can show you in the Constitution where it is . you can have trials in absentia and find them guilty, but here's the thing, there's a huge difference between sending in a team and killing somebody like Osama when his finger is on the trigger and he is not a US citizen, and sending in a drone to kill a US citizen... as to violation of civil rights? LOL, it is called Murder in th eFirst degree is what it is called.
you don't wanna see the differnce but you would be screaming if Bush did it. you are nothing but partisan hack and you could care less about civil rights, the only thing you care about is your precious party, just like cashcow
So...you are saying...that killing any US citizen anywhere by the military without "due process" is not acceptable?
What if...Adolf Hitler had been born in the US and migrated to Germany as a child. He would still be a US citizen at that point. But you would be opposed to a drone strike that might eliminate him? A strike that might eliminate the holocaust? Really? Your such a fool/tool sometimes.
hitler wasn't US citizen pagan... stop fantasizing
as to calling me a fool?
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
you are showing your hypocrisy and you lack of edjemkatshum.
there is a way indict them and a way to find them guilty in absentia, and if they didn't do that? then it is murder... there has been no formal Declaration of War since 1942, even so, it is illegal to murder US citizens even in other countries..
Not the president and not the CIA has the legal right to do that- it's settled law, remembr Castro and his special CIA cigars? well, he wasn't even a US citizen and they made that illegal
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: LOL... you are back on fictitious ground. executing US citizens wherever they are is not ok. it's called due process, i can show you in the Constitution where it is . you can have trials in absentia and find them guilty, but here's the thing, there's a huge difference between sending in a team and killing somebody like Osama when his finger is on the trigger and he is not a US citizen, and sending in a drone to kill a US citizen... as to violation of civil rights? LOL, it is called Murder in th eFirst degree is what it is called.
you don't wanna see the differnce but you would be screaming if Bush did it. you are nothing but partisan hack and you could care less about civil rights, the only thing you care about is your precious party, just like cashcow
So...you are saying...that killing any US citizen anywhere by the military without "due process" is not acceptable?
What if...Adolf Hitler had been born in the US and migrated to Germany as a child. He would still be a US citizen at that point. But you would be opposed to a drone strike that might eliminate him? A strike that might eliminate the holocaust? Really? Your such a fool/tool sometimes.
one more thing, i didn't say anything about killing any US citizen anywhere by the military without "due process" is not acceptable.
killng soemone in a firefight while they resist capture is NOT the same as sending a drone with hellfire.... so try to read better next time..
Apoclypse Now was about sending in a hit man to murder a US citizen gone rogue in antoher country.. nobody consodered it the least bit legal then eitehr. but they did it.
i we are going to claim that the USA is an exceptional nation? this goes a long way to making that claim hollow.
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quote:Originally posted by raybond: According to glass if there is a bunch of people we are at war with and we find out where they are hidding we should send in immagration first and see if they are citizens before we take them out. What do we do if they are green cards ?
i stated no such thing. once again your readin comreheneion fails completely. desertion or treason is punishable with 180 grains of lead administered immediately in war... citizenship has no bearing on it... that's not what is happening with these drone strikes. How did we get into teh war in Iraq? on bad intel and bad judgemnt of that itnel...
but now?all the intel is good and interpretted perfecctly right? cuz Obama is president that is ALL FIXED right? ssheeesh. i already toldja it needed to be done go back and read, but the way they did ti was wrong..... Obam shoul have been able to pardon the poepl who did it. by doing it himslef? he could be impeached, that's only a question of politcal expediancy.... the GOP might want to impeach him, but not for doing whathtye wish they could do... so whem they get in? they'll do it too just to porve they are badder... then it's be commonlace and we'll all be knonw as the murdereing countrry all around the world wooohhoooo!
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quote:Originally posted by rounder1: Not acceptable.... .ever.... ever..... if satan were a citizen...... he gets due process...... that is all.
it's true rounder, it's also true each party ahs a large group of people init that will allow thei rcandidate to do almost anythingin the name of the party, other than compliment the other party .
if they were to impeach him? which i duobt they will and they tossed him? Biden would pardon him right away (and have my support) that is IMO waht presidential pardons are really for, but only a jury has the that power by findings of not guilty (jury nullification) and the president has that power. but he cannot pardon himslef...
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as to the issue of watching us in our in our yard? they have had that technology for years with satellites anyway. this is cheaper... get over it man. the world changes around you change or be left behind. this ain't goin away unless civilization does too... ------------------------------------------------- This topic seems to be going between fiction and facts, alot, hard to follow.
I still have a tough time with the spies in the sky idea, no matter how it's presented.
Phone taps, spies,surveillance etc. ain't good, at least not around me. Again i don't like getting use to my freedoms being taken away for any reason, never have, never will.
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