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i'm curious, Glen Beck said on Fox that Obama is an angry black man right?
why should Obama have anything to do with Fox after that at all? News is not opinion. you have to choose which biz you are in...
there's no law or implied right for the Press to be in any press conference..
i could start a "news page" of my own and hand- deliver it to my neighbors and get press rights to the president? nobody would care if i was excluded..
Fox can say what they want. but that doesn't mean the President is required to grant them access either...
Fox is a news channel in name only. They are the ones that claim every other news outlet is "liberal" and not trustworthy... maybe they should take cue from the other news agencies that kept them "in" and stop trying to say that they are the only reliable news source.
they are the only ones that have published this story so far too....
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It shouldnt matter if Fox News doesnt find Obama's policies and opinions non favorable you just dont do that. If you arent sticking your nose up Obamas rear end then somehow you are not worthy to report something?
Fairness Doctrine, now this...I mean what is going on?
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uh, Bush leaked stuff to his "friends" all the time. choosing who you'll give your "news" to is done by everyone all the time...
the real "problem" with Fox started when Beck said:
Beck: Obama has "exposed himself as a guy" with "a deep seated hatred for white people"
actually Top-level fox people have met with Obamas people several times trying to settle the problem and Fox refused...
even Fox and Beck admit that Beck is not a journalist...
i can remeber dozens of times that Fox had special access to Bush, heck Bush even hired somebody directly from Fox to be his Press guy...
this is nothing to get excited about.
this war with Fox just serves both sides desire to heighten tensions between the left and the right...
i beleive the technical issue here was over whether or not Fox had a right to be there since they had pooled funds to pay for the camera feed or not...
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I know what Bush and crew did, but they havent had control in some time now, and this is the current.
Im not too worried about it I just find propoganda being pumped for 1500 page health care bills disturbing when they try to silence a news network or hinder their access to question motives.
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this isn't silencing ccm, it's simply posturing...
did anybody complain when Bush hired the guy from Fox to be his Press secretary? nope.
i've watched glen's show quite a few times now and he's friggin nuts... just like Cramer and Howard Stern. i dunno what the fascination is with watching insanity unfold in this country.
a couple weeks ago? he was hitting at Obamas picture...
Beck has a few things correct, but the dude twists them into a complicated mess that resembles a tweakers wet dream... half the "connections" he makes are just not there...
and the mao kick he's gone on with the phone? that's just simple misquoting and really strange,
health care? they've screwed that up completely..
we try to compete in the world/global economy with this health care system? LOL... we can't. the bills we have right now? junk. but Obama didn't write them... Congresspersons did...
the GOP is working overtime trying to figure out to force Obama to raise taxes so they can make him into a liar too....
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Seems like if the "news" has let their journalistic integrity go to the point where they aren't even bothering to fact-check their statements anymore they SHOULD be controlled.
Dan Rather, after decades of being one of the most respected American news personalities ended his career in near disgrace because of one story he couldn't back up concerning Pres Bush.
Glen Beck tells at least three fabrications about Pres. Obama every single day he is on the air.
How can you even attempt to call Fox a respectable news channel? And why should they be given access to presidential level politics when they have no integrity? Just cuz they have a lot of money and are a branded name?
Give me a brand name and a box of peanuts and I'll show you a box of peanuts. Names mean less than nothing if there is no substance that resides within.
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but Beck isn't a journalist bigF, so it's ok for him to make chit up...
WASHINGTON — Late last month, the senior White House adviser David Axelrod and Roger Ailes, chairman and chief executive of Fox News, met in an empty Palm steakhouse before it opened for the day, neutral ground secured for a secret tête-à-tête. Mr. Ailes, who had reached out to Mr. Axelrod to address rising tensions between the network and the White House, told him that Fox’s reporters were fair, if tough, and should be considered separate from the Fox commentators who were skewering President Obama nightly, according to people briefed on the meeting. Mr. Axelrod said it was the view of the White House that Fox News had blurred the line between news and anti-Obama advocacy.
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So if Barrack Obama lies to us then that is bad. But if Barrack Obama's press secretary lies to us about something he said then that is ok because he is just a commentator?
That's the general idea...right?
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quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: So if Barrack Obama lies to us then that is bad. But if Barrack Obama's press secretary lies to us about something he said then that is ok because he is just a commentator?
That's the general idea...right?
sure, as long as they aren't under oath? even Obama can lie...
or just express an opinion that he knows is wrong...
you know? like waterboarding isn't really torture... it's not like we ever prosecuted anybody for it... d'oh they forgot WW2 and Viet Nam that's all
Obama has made a lot of rookie mistakes... oh wait, we want Professional Politicians that have been at it for forty years.... too bad they have all been bought and paid for ten times over....
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I am trying to compare apples to apples with the Pres being the reporter and his press secretary being the commentator. By Fox's definitions of their roles then it is important that the Pres be factually accurate but Gibb should be able to say pretty much what ever the hell he wants.
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quote:Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Tell ya what... get rid of that pointless statement and we'll really have us a fun happy country full of respect and all kinds happiness and hugs... yup We'll call it happy free nation of hugs.
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Just cuz press is free doesn't mean they have to invite em to the press box.
Fox can keep their commentators (read liars)...they will just have to do with politics what my nightly news has to do baseball and wait until the game is over before they broadcast highlights.
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I don't agree with it on face value as I feel the president and government in general needs to be required to answer all kinds of questions they'd prefer to avoid.... But I can't imagine this is the first time the white house has sought to exclude a reporter or a group of reporters... Seems there was quite a flap when W was in office about the shenanigans his administration played with the press.
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quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: Seems like if the "news" has let their journalistic integrity go to the point where they aren't even bothering to fact-check their statements anymore they SHOULD be controlled.
Dan Rather, after decades of being one of the most respected American news personalities ended his career in near disgrace because of one story he couldn't back up concerning Pres Bush.
Glen Beck tells at least three fabrications about Pres. Obama every single day he is on the air.
How can you even attempt to call Fox a respectable news channel? And why should they be given access to presidential level politics when they have no integrity? Just cuz they have a lot of money and are a branded name?
Give me a brand name and a box of peanuts and I'll show you a box of peanuts. Names mean less than nothing if there is no substance that resides within.
What are the three from yesterday?
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quote:Originally posted by Lockman: What are the three from yesterday?
i hope that means you don't watch him lock, cuz if you do and you have to ask that? then you have a real problem...
Glen himself says that he is not a journalist, but an "opinion man"...
that alone should tell you something....
Glen is trying to rebrand himself as a libertarian, but a guy like him would not last ten minutes in areal libertarian society. neither would limbugger.
i watch (or listen to) a few minutes of his show several time a week, and he lies (from a journalistic perspective) every few minutes..
for instnace he keeps playing this tape of some lady saying her favorite politician is Mao and Mother Theresa... the quotes are compleltely out of context, and he knows it, but doesn't care..
he's even gone so far as to dress some guy up as Mao to sit by a supposed hotline to the white house... it's sorta like saturday night live but without the drugs... unless of course he's on meds for his ADHD which don't seem to be working out for him
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exactly....when i saw him on "THe View" ,he made it very clear he was no journalist or newsman, but an entertainer and he likes to rile people up...thats his job.
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listening forless than 5 minutes so far today,
Glen is on the "step aside granma" health kick... you know the "death panels"?
and he just ran off about six or seven quotes totally out of context to support his claim...
the sad part is that he's right about running up our deficit. the stupid part is that he's acting like Granma is on private health care now, and that all her bills are being paid today but won't be tomorrow.
we haven't had a free market since the last depression.
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The reason Beck or Limbaugh would not male it ten minuets in a true libertarian society is that you have to have moral people to make it work to start with. with out a moral people base you pretty much have what you have right now.
Anybody can swindle and steal they get caught but there are always plenty to take there place.
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Military Says It Paid Iraq Papers for News Possible 'Improprieties' to Be Investigated
By Josh White and Bradley Graham Washington Post Staff Writers Saturday, December 3, 2005
The U.S. military command in Baghdad acknowledged for the first time yesterday that it has paid Iraqi newspapers to carry positive news about U.S. efforts in Iraq, but officials characterized the payments as part of a legitimate campaign to counter insurgents' misinformation.
quote:Originally posted by Lockman: What are the three from yesterday?
i hope that means you don't watch him lock, cuz if you do and you have to ask that? then you have a real problem...
Glen himself says that he is not a journalist, but an "opinion man"...
that alone should tell you something....
Glen is trying to rebrand himself as a libertarian, but a guy like him would not last ten minutes in areal libertarian society. neither would limbugger.
i watch (or listen to) a few minutes of his show several time a week, and he lies (from a journalistic perspective) every few minutes..
for instnace he keeps playing this tape of some lady saying her favorite politician is Mao and Mother Theresa... the quotes are compleltely out of context, and he knows it, but doesn't care..
he's even gone so far as to dress some guy up as Mao to sit by a supposed hotline to the white house... it's sorta like saturday night live but without the drugs... unless of course he's on meds for his ADHD which don't seem to be working out for him
No I haven't seen to much of his show, sounds like his show is similar to the guy on msnbc. Actually I think they promote each other.
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No I haven't seen to much of his show, sounds like his show is similar to the guy on msnbc. Actually I think they promote each other.
yep.
it's mostly chatter... you need two sides to keep the game interesting.
ever since Ruprt Murdoch bought the WSJ and started Fox Business News the heat has gone up a notch...
that gives each of them a "news" a "business news", and a "regular" cahnnel...
when was the last time Fox "regular" TV carried presidential address or press conference? we don't even get regular Fox programming here anymore, our cable co won't bring in a feed from out of town, but Fox News is on 24-7....
Ruperts peeps spend alot of time bashing GE directly now instead of just calling them all liberals...
fox has made a caricature of conservatism, but it isn't as tho the supposedly conservative politicians haven't given them plenty of ammo...
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today Glen has spent the last ten minutes trying to say Obama is a Marxist.
LOL...
and he's screaming into the TV for the white house to call him, but he says they won't cuz they are a follower of Mao, and then he replays his quotes out of context....
he's actually destroying any credibility that real conservatives or libertarians could have.
his idea of freemarkets seems to be that there should be no rules or accountability at all.
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First the right says Obama is a terrorist,then they scream that he is a fascist, now its a Marxist. I am wondering if they know the difference between all of them? I guess ,IMHO only, right wingers are just plain ignorant of history especially when it comes to there own countries history.
Now mister Beck is on a rage about free markets with no accountability. Free markets with no control are what got us into the mess we are in. As a matter of fact free market people have put us in the bucket for the second time. They have used there ill gotten excess to hold back new ideas to discredit science and in general keep us in a state of constant regression , warfare and class conflict. The amount of excess capital the elite accumulate , is just unbelievable amounts that bypass human imagination, are used to stop any progressive change that would normally occur in the fields of energy,health care,and the operation of society. A totally free market society cannot sustain itself without eventually putting all the population into to slavery to it and destroying the world.Totally free market is just the costume one wears to shield the acts of greed and criminal activities of an elite that would totally destroy everything around itself for the sake of a free market and power.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: today Glen has spent the last ten minutes trying to say Obama is a Marxist.
LOL...
and he's screaming into the TV for the white house to call him, but he says they won't cuz they are a follower of Mao, and then he replays his quotes out of context....
he's actually destroying any credibility that real conservatives or libertarians could have.
his idea of freemarkets seems to be that there should be no rules or accountability at all.
Interesting how the left wants everyone to think that Beck and Rush speak for the conservative right. I guess it's the same as the right saying Jesse Jackson and Al sharpton speak for the Black community.
Guess spinning works on both sides, Huh
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: today Glen has spent the last ten minutes trying to say Obama is a Marxist.
LOL...
and he's screaming into the TV for the white house to call him, but he says they won't cuz they are a follower of Mao, and then he replays his quotes out of context....
he's actually destroying any credibility that real conservatives or libertarians could have.
his idea of freemarkets seems to be that there should be no rules or accountability at all.
Interesting how the left wants everyone to think that Beck and Rush speak for the conservative right. I guess it's the same as the right saying Jesse Jackson and Al sharpton speak for the Black community.
Guess spinning works on both sides, Huh
i suppose the differnce is that sharpton and jackson don't claim to speak for the left, they don't have tv shows or talk radio shows either...
can i take a few days off from watching Beck now? or would you rather i tally up a few more of Becks lies...
just don't ask me to listen to limbugger... i'd rather have a root canal, or a boil on each each cheek ...
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Anyone, anyone conservative? wow ya liberals should tax yourselves and exempt the conservatives and pay for all who dont want to work or who simply want freebies -
FREE HEALthcare for all to collect and no responisbility or accountabilty just socialist liberals -
What is it about liberals that hey want no productivity or incentive? there is no utopia here- someone has to work and if free most will not work and collapse - - whatever happened to conservative values of work and responsibility? Ya dont work, you dont eat - simple - you dont take care of your health, consequences-
Yes, if ya have health issues, it is because of ya life choices or ya ancestors before ya - but if ya choose healthy life chices ya will be sick less often and heal quickly -- but if the liberal want to pay for all the unmotivated folks, all will work less and not care cause rresponsibility gone-
and, Glass yOU ther biggest liberal out there - dont fool yaself - Folks here are hail Hitler until it will be too late - most are liberal - stuns me -
Taxes kill production and as Thatcher said socialism spends all your money until it is all GONE - and when money gone all ALL lazy butts collecting, COLLAPSE cause means of production taxed AWAY -
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quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: Guess allstocks is mostly liberal BS -
Anyone, anyone conservative? wow ya liberals should tax yourselves and exempt the conservatives and pay for all who dont want to work or who simply want freebies -
FREE HEALthcare for all to collect and no responisbility or accountabilty just socialist liberals -
What is it about liberals that hey want no productivity or incentive? there is no utopia here- someone has to work and if free most will not work and collapse - - whatever happened to conservative values of work and responsibility? Ya dont work, you dont eat - simple - you dont take care of your health, consequences-
Yes, if ya have health issues, it is because of ya life choices or ya ancestors before ya - but if ya choose healthy life chices ya will be sick less often and heal quickly -- but if the liberal want to pay for all the unmotivated folks, all will work less and not care cause rresponsibility gone-
and, Glass yOU ther biggest liberal out there - dont fool yaself - Folks here are hail Hitler until it will be too late - most are liberal - stuns me -
Taxes kill production and as Thatcher said socialism spends all your money until it is all GONE - and when money gone all ALL lazy butts collecting, COLLAPSE cause means of production taxed AWAY -
the money was all gone long before this year, long before the current wave of so-called "socialism"... remeber the system collapsed while Dubya was in office, and i pointed out that he was no conservative long before the "conservatives" started complaiing about his bailout plans.
i've been pointing that out for quite some time...
as for me being a liberal? i've been called worse. but you couldn't possibly be more wrong.
i'm not a neo-con that's for sure, and if being "conservative" today means being wrong all the time? you are welcome to it...
if you don't want to pay taxes? why don't you go live somewhere that doesn't have a govt? or an army to defend itself?
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