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This will soon be tried here.


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The UK government is about to spend $700 million dollars installing surveillance cameras inside the private homes of citizens to ensure that children go to bed on time, attend school and eat proper meals.

No you aren’t reading a passage from George Orwell’s 1984 or Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World, this is Britain in 2009, a country which already has more surveillance cameras watching its population than the whole of Europe put together.

Now the government is embarking on a scheme called “Family Intervention Projects” which will literally create a nanny state on steroids, with social services goons and private security guards given the authority to make regular “home checks” to ensure parents are raising their children correctly.

Telescreens will also be installed so government spies can keep an eye on whether parents are mistreating kids and whether the kids are fulfilling their obligations under a pre-signed contract.

Around 2,000 families have been targeted by this program so far and the government wants to snare 20,000 more within the next two years. The tab will be picked up by the taxpayer, with the “interventions” being funded through local council authorities.

Another key aspect of the program will see parents deemed “responsible” by the government handed the power to denounce and report bad parents who allow their children to engage in bad behavior. Such families will then be targeted for “interventions”.

Both parents and children will also be forced to sign a “behavior contract” with the government known as Home School Agreements before the start of every year, in which the state will dictate obligations that it expects to be met.

The opposition Conservative Party, who are clear favorites to win the next British election, commented that the program does not go far enough and is “too little, too late.”

Respondents to a Daily Express article [2] about the new program expressed their shock at the totalitarian implications of what is unfolding in the United Kingdom under the guise of social services initiatives.
“Sorry, but what the hell? Why are people not up in arms about this?,” writes one, “This is a complete invasion of privacy, and it totally ignores the fact that the state does NOT own kids. It’s not up to them how parents choose to raise their children, as long as the parents do not actively harm them. Why on earth aren’t the public rioting? It’s completely anathema to basic British freedoms.”

“Excuse me!?! What an incredible intrusion into the privacy of a family! George Orwell must be spinning in his grave right now,” writes another.

“I have one comment to make: it completely violates Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights (Human Rights Act 1998). Has this minister and his lackies even done any basic homework on basic human rights and civil liberties? Or rather they’ve just decided to completely ignore them,” adds another.

The move to install surveillance cameras inside private homes is also on the agenda across the pond. In February 2006, Houston Chief of Police Harold Hurtt said cameras should be placed inside apartments and homes [4] in order to “fight crime” due to there being a shortage of police officers.

“I know a lot of people are concerned about Big Brother, but my response to that is, if you are not doing anything wrong, why should you worry about it?” Chief Hurtt told reporters.

Andy Teas with the Houston Apartment Association supported the proposal, saying privacy concerns would take a back seat to many people who would, “appreciate the thought of extra eyes looking out for them.”

If such programs come to fruition and are implemented on a mass scale then the full scope of George Orwell’s depiction of a totalitarian society is his classic novel 1984 will have been realized.

The following passage is from Orwell’s 1984;

The telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it, moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live — did live, from habit that became instinct — in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized.


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quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:
This will soon be tried here.


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The UK government is about to spend $700 million dollars installing surveillance cameras inside the private homes of citizens to ensure that children go to bed on time, attend school and eat proper meals.

No you aren’t reading a passage from George Orwell’s 1984 or Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World, this is Britain in 2009, a country which already has more surveillance cameras watching its population than the whole of Europe put together.

Now the government is embarking on a scheme called “Family Intervention Projects” which will literally create a nanny state on steroids, with social services goons and private security guards given the authority to make regular “home checks” to ensure parents are raising their children correctly.

Telescreens will also be installed so government spies can keep an eye on whether parents are mistreating kids and whether the kids are fulfilling their obligations under a pre-signed contract.

Around 2,000 families have been targeted by this program so far and the government wants to snare 20,000 more within the next two years. The tab will be picked up by the taxpayer, with the “interventions” being funded through local council authorities.

Another key aspect of the program will see parents deemed “responsible” by the government handed the power to denounce and report bad parents who allow their children to engage in bad behavior. Such families will then be targeted for “interventions”.

Both parents and children will also be forced to sign a “behavior contract” with the government known as Home School Agreements before the start of every year, in which the state will dictate obligations that it expects to be met.

The opposition Conservative Party, who are clear favorites to win the next British election, commented that the program does not go far enough and is “too little, too late.”

Respondents to a Daily Express article [2] about the new program expressed their shock at the totalitarian implications of what is unfolding in the United Kingdom under the guise of social services initiatives.
“Sorry, but what the hell? Why are people not up in arms about this?,” writes one, “This is a complete invasion of privacy, and it totally ignores the fact that the state does NOT own kids. It’s not up to them how parents choose to raise their children, as long as the parents do not actively harm them. Why on earth aren’t the public rioting? It’s completely anathema to basic British freedoms.”

“Excuse me!?! What an incredible intrusion into the privacy of a family! George Orwell must be spinning in his grave right now,” writes another.

“I have one comment to make: it completely violates Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights (Human Rights Act 1998). Has this minister and his lackies even done any basic homework on basic human rights and civil liberties? Or rather they’ve just decided to completely ignore them,” adds another.

The move to install surveillance cameras inside private homes is also on the agenda across the pond. In February 2006, Houston Chief of Police Harold Hurtt said cameras should be placed inside apartments and homes [4] in order to “fight crime” due to there being a shortage of police officers.

“I know a lot of people are concerned about Big Brother, but my response to that is, if you are not doing anything wrong, why should you worry about it?” Chief Hurtt told reporters.

Andy Teas with the Houston Apartment Association supported the proposal, saying privacy concerns would take a back seat to many people who would, “appreciate the thought of extra eyes looking out for them.”

If such programs come to fruition and are implemented on a mass scale then the full scope of George Orwell’s depiction of a totalitarian society is his classic novel 1984 will have been realized.

The following passage is from Orwell’s 1984;

The telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it, moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live — did live, from habit that became instinct — in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized.


This has Obama administration written all over it disguised as some health care program.
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yeah Obama, the guy born in Kenya is the key author of the bill...

i hope i get the job being the watcher and no the watchee...

if your not doing anything wrong? LOL...

anybody bother to look up who is getting this special treatment? or who is carrying the news on this?

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I was joking glass. I meant it as its something they wouldnt pass up if they could get away with it.

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:
This will soon be tried here.


quote:
The UK government is about to spend $700 million dollars installing surveillance cameras inside the private homes of citizens to ensure that children go to bed on time, attend school and eat proper meals.

No you aren’t reading a passage from George Orwell’s 1984 or Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World, this is Britain in 2009, a country which already has more surveillance cameras watching its population than the whole of Europe put together.

Now the government is embarking on a scheme called “Family Intervention Projects” which will literally create a nanny state on steroids, with social services goons and private security guards given the authority to make regular “home checks” to ensure parents are raising their children correctly.

Telescreens will also be installed so government spies can keep an eye on whether parents are mistreating kids and whether the kids are fulfilling their obligations under a pre-signed contract.

Around 2,000 families have been targeted by this program so far and the government wants to snare 20,000 more within the next two years. The tab will be picked up by the taxpayer, with the “interventions” being funded through local council authorities.

Another key aspect of the program will see parents deemed “responsible” by the government handed the power to denounce and report bad parents who allow their children to engage in bad behavior. Such families will then be targeted for “interventions”.

Both parents and children will also be forced to sign a “behavior contract” with the government known as Home School Agreements before the start of every year, in which the state will dictate obligations that it expects to be met.

The opposition Conservative Party, who are clear favorites to win the next British election, commented that the program does not go far enough and is “too little, too late.”

Respondents to a Daily Express article [2] about the new program expressed their shock at the totalitarian implications of what is unfolding in the United Kingdom under the guise of social services initiatives.
“Sorry, but what the hell? Why are people not up in arms about this?,” writes one, “This is a complete invasion of privacy, and it totally ignores the fact that the state does NOT own kids. It’s not up to them how parents choose to raise their children, as long as the parents do not actively harm them. Why on earth aren’t the public rioting? It’s completely anathema to basic British freedoms.”

“Excuse me!?! What an incredible intrusion into the privacy of a family! George Orwell must be spinning in his grave right now,” writes another.

“I have one comment to make: it completely violates Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights (Human Rights Act 1998). Has this minister and his lackies even done any basic homework on basic human rights and civil liberties? Or rather they’ve just decided to completely ignore them,” adds another.

The move to install surveillance cameras inside private homes is also on the agenda across the pond. In February 2006, Houston Chief of Police Harold Hurtt said cameras should be placed inside apartments and homes [4] in order to “fight crime” due to there being a shortage of police officers.

“I know a lot of people are concerned about Big Brother, but my response to that is, if you are not doing anything wrong, why should you worry about it?” Chief Hurtt told reporters.

Andy Teas with the Houston Apartment Association supported the proposal, saying privacy concerns would take a back seat to many people who would, “appreciate the thought of extra eyes looking out for them.”

If such programs come to fruition and are implemented on a mass scale then the full scope of George Orwell’s depiction of a totalitarian society is his classic novel 1984 will have been realized.

The following passage is from Orwell’s 1984;

The telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it, moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live — did live, from habit that became instinct — in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized.


This has Obama administration written all over it disguised as some health care program.
If this is true? Just shows to go you why we broke away...

The day they show up to my house is the day they hear the slide on my 870... [Smile]

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What!?!?!

You have guns in your home, Tex? You're a prime candidate for this 'intervention.'

[Smile]

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really?

Show up with the camera crew and tell me what you think, after... [Razz]

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quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
really?

Show up with the camera crew and tell me what you think, after... [Razz]

Can I make it 'pay per view?'
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ju bet...

That'll be me with the 870 in one hand, and The Constitution in the other--well, maybe my back pocket, depending on yur crowd... [Wink]

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ROFL, I'd go with the back pocket, Tex.

You may need the other hand free to help reload. [Wink]

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Trailer for the 'Pay per View' at Tex's house!!
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The 870 is actually a field gun, so it's reliable in a pinch. In a real jam?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5uHt4AwYb4&feature=related

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ROFLMAO!!!

I want him on my side when it all hits the fan. [Razz]

The shooting the spent shell casing was my favorite!

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The balloon deal is pretty indicative of his talent...not saying the spent casing is easy, but to "leave your track" and come back...and reacquire? That's tough...

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Agreed. I like Tom, he's both skilled and hillarious.

Here's another of his I love...

Everything's Bigger in Texas!

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Here's a video on youtube...this story wil get bigger and bigger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9WjWmJPA-8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9WjWmJPA-8

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
I was joking glass. I meant it as its something they wouldnt pass up if they could get away with it.

i know cash,

relentless always finds the best stories... i love good tin foil hat stuff

i hope everybody here knows to put tape over their webcams when they don't want to be watched [Big Grin]
turning them off doesn't mean they are really off [Wink]

i think the people in that program would prolly be in jail here...

they have alot of stories about it by the "altenative media":

Worst families in Britain will be put in 'sin bins' | Republic ...
Around 2000 families have gone through Family Intervention Projects, but ministers ... 2 Comments to "Worst families in Britain will be put in 'sin bins'"
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republicbroadcasting.org/?p=3434 - Cached - Similar

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Glass,

Are you suggesting this very same legislation won't be tried here?
Come now...
It will be done in small areas to begin with... poverty stricken... "For the children"

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Surveillance is very comon in Britian as a matter of fact it has been wrote about and on the news that london is the most watched city in the world.

I really don't think Americans would let that happen hear unless they wanted that to happen. Republic Washington was one of towns the government here used as an experiment in surveillance from what I understand and have heard it did not go to good for the government at all.It would be very interesting to do some follow up on that program

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quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:
Glass,

Are you suggesting this very same legislation won't be tried here?
Come now...
It will be done in small areas to begin with... poverty stricken... "For the children"

i bet those families in Britain are all on public assistance, i bet they don't pay rent.
it si being done to a lesser degree here already by private industry. remember the slumlord?

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Umk... sooo.. Being on "public assistance" is grounds for having rights stripped?
I should have known poor people have no rights... as well it should be...

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quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:
Umk... sooo.. Being on "public assistance" is grounds for having rights stripped?
I should have known poor people have no rights... as well it should be...

It's okay Relentless....we all make mistakes!

at least you know now [Wink]

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quote:
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Umk... sooo.. Being on "public assistance" is grounds for having rights stripped?
I should have known poor people have no rights... as well it should be...

nope.
they have the right to get their azzes off public assistance and live in house they pay rent on with no cameras in them.

heck we have the same chit going on here already anwyway.

the difference is some TV producer pays the creeps a couple hundred grand a year to put the cameras in their house, and then everybody else sets 'round their house in their underwear and watches it together [Big Grin]

this octomom got some show going now i hear. what the heck? who wants to watch that whacko screw up her kids lives in between commercials for extenz and depends? [Big Grin]

is that Nero i hear warming up his fiddle?

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seriously? i think that video stuff going on in Britain is bizzarre.

they have no sense of Liberty, haven't had it since about 10 years after the Magna Carta.

i think people that allow all those cameras into their lives are messed up

is it coming here? not to my house.

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:
Umk... sooo.. Being on "public assistance" is grounds for having rights stripped?
I should have known poor people have no rights... as well it should be...

nope.
they have the right to get their azzes off public assistance and live in house they pay rent on with no cameras in them.

heck we have the same chit going on here already anwyway.

the difference is some TV producer pays the creeps a couple hundred grand a year to put the cameras in their house, and then everybody else sets 'round their house in their underwear and watches it together [Big Grin]

this octomom got some show going now i hear. what the heck? who wants to watch that whacko screw up her kids lives in between commercials for extenz and depends? [Big Grin]

is that Nero i hear warming up his fiddle?

Except...

That's one helluva difference between gumment-mandated and getting paid Hollywood scrip.

Nero warms up the fiddle about every 1.5 to 2.5 generations...doesn't mean we have to dance with flames.

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quote:
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seriously? i think that video stuff going on in Britain is bizzarre.

they have no sense of Liberty, haven't had it since about 10 years after the Magna Carta.

i think people that allow all those cameras into their lives are messed up

is it coming here? not to my house.

It is coming... just as it was coming to britian... Just a few years ago when they had cameras on every corner the people said "Atleast they aren't in our homes yet"
Now that they will be in a select few homes the people will say the exact same thing you've said.. "Oh well that's because those people are dead beats... They aren't putting cameras in my home."
And in ten years... They will
Maybe less.
Just as it will happen here too.

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well, i get this picture in my head of half the country being paid to sit and watch the other half, and i just wonder who's going to crack the 'corn [Big Grin]

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