quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: what went wrong is Obama trying to do everything at once and cram things through hoping it gets done...he may have good intent to make "change" but cmon....giving short deadlines to "have something on my desk to sign" is not going to work. Look how sloppy the stimulus is. You supporters of that really think that over 1,000 pages with just one weekend to review it before it was voted on was smart?
I'd like a few examples of how the stimulus is sloppy please. We just got 40+ police positions saved for the next 4 years here in my twin cites thanks to the stimulus.
Glad to hear someone got something from the stimulus. The last interview I saw with the oversite commissioner of the stimulus package was not very insiteful, seems their office doesn t really know where the money is going.
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Yeah well you got 40 police officer jobs that got stimulus money for 4 years. Once those 4 years are up then what? Oh...let me guess, the gamble is that the stimulus will work SO WELL that there will be money to cover it. Well 40 salaries is a large chunk of change and guess who will cover it? MORE taxes paid by the taxpayer.
I Cant want until 2010, and 2012.
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Yes we received 10 million out of the 1 Billion that was spent on law enforcement throughout the states. The money covers three years of salaries with the condition that the state commit to one year of salary for them beyond. Then it is up to the state to float it's own boat like normal. You know, like when home prices and the job market have stabilized so the state can make an accurate projection of how much they are gonna bring in with tax revenue and won't get caught short when planning the budget.
You gonna be grumbling in 2010 still man. Count on it. (Though I do think you will have a chance to weed out some of the worst and weakest of the democrats and you are welcome to do so. It makes the party stronger to separate the wheat from the chafe.)
Did you want to point out some other areas of the stimulus bill that were sloppy CCM?
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Im not saying Republicans are any better. Democrats cried foul for years so lets see them get something good done without pillaging the country by taxing every single thing we do.
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I tend to like the idea that was sent around recently suggesting that a 10% tax increase on fatty (i.e. soda, candy, chips, etc.) foods would raise 500B over ten years.
If nothing else it might make folks start to realize exactly what it is that they are eating. Might cut down on Obesity too which in turn would cut down on diabetes and heart disease which incur significant expenses in our health care system. I know some say it would target the poor more but if the end result is educating the poor and turning our dietary model back towards the basics then I'd say it is a savings to them in the long run.
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quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: Yes we received 10 million out of the 1 Billion that was spent on law enforcement throughout the states. The money covers three years of salaries with the condition that the state commit to one year of salary for them beyond. Then it is up to the state to float it's own boat like normal. You know, like when home prices and the job market have stabilized so the state can make an accurate projection of how much they are gonna bring in with tax revenue and won't get caught short when planning the budget.
You gonna be grumbling in 2010 still man. Count on it. (Though I do think you will have a chance to weed out some of the worst and weakest of the democrats and you are welcome to do so. It makes the party stronger to separate the wheat from the chafe.)
Did you want to point out some other areas of the stimulus bill that were sloppy CCM?
(The above is in case you need to reference the Act to find said sloppiness.)
This what's basically wrong with temporary money from the Federal government. After the four years it's gonna be the state or local government that's saddled with these contracts. Can you say property tax increases?
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There is no long term contract Lock. The fed agrees to pay three years and only requires a one year agreement from the state in return, then the state staffs according to their own budget abilities the year after. It's actually cheaper than infrastructure building because there is no long term maintenance burdens to carry forward and a good 15-20% of the cash laid out eventually filters right back to the government anyway though taxes.
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quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: There is no long term contract Lock. The fed agrees to pay three years and only requires a one year agreement from the state in return, then the state staffs according to their own budget abilities the year after. It's actually cheaper than infrastructure building because there is no long term maintenance burdens to carry forward and a good 15-20% of the cash laid out eventually filters right back to the government anyway though taxes.
If that's the program I'm all for it. Put's needed money into the system and benefits the citizens.
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Yeah dude. That's one of the pieces of stimulus that I can get behind fully. Not all of it is perfect but a lot of the so called problems with it is really just smoke and mirrors.
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If that's the program I'm all for it. Put's needed money into the system and benefits the citizens.
the cash for clunkers seems to be generating alotof business for the car dealers.
i just listened to glen beck spew his BS about it for ten minutes. how can somebody so wrong and narrow minded make their living talking to people? he doesn't even have humor going for him.
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If they really wanted to help the car dealers, there would be a provision for good, cleaner used vehicles...
But, I gotta concede...I considered buying a clunker outta da paper and making a move on a new car.
Beck? It simply goes to show how many truly ignorant people we got. I tend to "blame" the education system and also a "rebound effect" from the hippie schools: some things learned by rote were not bad, ie, multiplication tables, spelling, diagramming sentences, for examples. The latter two being a first step toward reading ===> logic ===> rhetoric.
If you catch my drift...and I know you do.
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I wanted to buy a clunker too until I realized it had to have a full year of insurance payments made to qualify. My '91 Honda with 200k miles on it was too fuel efficient to qualify.
My friend wanted to turn his car over to pay off the note (young guy-bought more car than he could afford cuz it looked sexy) until he realized that you don't get resale value of the car you trade in. You get scrap value of the car you trade in. Even with the gov money he would be better off taking a loss at a used car lot.
First time I've ever wished my Honda wasn't a Honda. Could'a bought a new Honda!
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: If they really wanted to help the car dealers, there would be a provision for good, cleaner used vehicles...
But, I gotta concede...I considered buying a clunker outta da paper and making a move on a new car.
Beck? It simply goes to show how many truly ignorant people we got. I tend to "blame" the education system and also a "rebound effect" from the hippie schools: some things learned by rote were not bad, ie, multiplication tables, spelling, diagramming sentences, for examples. The latter two being a first step toward reading ===> logic ===> rhetoric.
If you catch my drift...and I know you do.
yeah i catch your drift, angry people don't think much when they're angry either.
i listened to beck a few times when he was on CNN, he complained about the GOP too, but his rants today were actaully paranoid delusional, he was hinting that he's out to uncover some huge anti-constitutional conspiracy.
i actually agree with some of his OPINIONS,(like his attitude about the FED ) but i've never heard so many factoids that were just not true put together in one one hour TV show.
the anti-govt rants are becoming just plain wierd, and completely off base. i don't trust the govt no matter who is running it, but i know for a fact that the govt is what makes this place the UNITED States.....
Ron Paul has done something good, he's pushing for a bill to have the GAO review the FED's decision making process. if they do that? the Fed will be dissolved withing 15 years i bet.
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