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Im sure you all will have heard the news by the time you read this.
The question now is what is Obama going to do? Is he going to want N. Korea to "unclench their fist" as well? Perhaps do another Bill Clinton and we give them things for them to lie to us.
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lets see....He will, most likely, use his intelligence and insight, using all his resources available...all his trusted and highly respected staff and military personal will be consulted and listened to with the utmost respect. All avenues will be studied and gone over with a fine-toothed comb until THE BEST solution is finally reached. Calm, diplomatic, INTELLIGENT means will be used. He will respond as a representitive of the american people (who elected him to do just that)..He will do everything possible to gain back some of the respect we have lost around the world. its about time, dont you think?? and he is doing an amazing job!..
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Actually, it's not a US problem, it's an International Community problem. And appropriately, there is a emergency meeting of the UN Security Coucil called for today to work on the N Korea issue.
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quote:Originally posted by jordanreed: lets see....He will, most likely, use his intelligence and insight, using all his resources available...all his trusted and highly respected staff and military personal will be consulted and listened to with the utmost respect. All avenues will be studied and gone over with a fine-toothed comb until THE BEST solution is finally reached. Calm, diplomatic, INTELLIGENT means will be used. He will respond as a representitive of the american people (who elected him to do just that)..He will do everything possible to gain back some of the respect we have lost around the world. its about time, dont you think?? and he is doing an amazing job!..
Funny, thats probably what the North Koreans are trained to say about Kim Jong Il as well after all that propoganda.
Id like to see something serious be done to put North Korea in check.
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quote:Originally posted by jordanreed: lets see....He will, most likely, use his intelligence and insight, using all his resources available...all his trusted and highly respected staff and military personal will be consulted and listened to with the utmost respect. All avenues will be studied and gone over with a fine-toothed comb until THE BEST solution is finally reached. Calm, diplomatic, INTELLIGENT means will be used. He will respond as a representitive of the american people (who elected him to do just that)..He will do everything possible to gain back some of the respect we have lost around the world. its about time, dont you think?? and he is doing an amazing job!..
Funny, thats probably what the North Koreans are trained to say about Kim Jong Il as well after all that propoganda.
Id like to see something serious be done to put North Korea in check.
Here's your big chance CCM. Tell us all what practical solution you see to resolve this issue with N Korea. No rhetoric, just an actual workable plan. I'm not being facetious either, just wanna know how you'd handle this current issue.
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quote:Originally posted by Pagan: Actually, it's not a US problem, it's an International Community problem. And appropriately, there is a emergency meeting of the UN Security Coucil called for today to work on the N Korea issue.
Exactly....you hit the nail on the head.
How come every time there is a problem or threat somewhere around the world....everyone expects the US to take care of it????
Yeah...we have the best military and historicaly been the wealthiest nation...but we got some serious issues that we're dealing with(economic crisis to name one)...why can't one of the other world powers deal with this issue....or at least it can be a combined effort.
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The only nations that have any flex with NK are China and Russia... China and Russia will stop any UN Security Council actions against NK. I do not believe that having a South Korean as head of UN helps either. Multiparty talks have gone nowhere with Bush and IMO will go nowhere with Obama as well. Until Russia and China choose to make NK "behave", nothing is going to get better with NK, it is only going to get worse.
People need to remember that the NK/SK problem is a "relic" proxy war from the cold war that has never been fully resolved. No peace treaty has ever been signed, (only a ceasefire), and the border between the two is one of the most militarized on the face of this planet.
Despite the fact that the cold war is "over", this planet remains "mutli-polar", as it was during the cold war. In a military sense, this is not entirely true, but this is merely the surface. Further below, the fundamentals of a "multi-polar world" remain and the battle between the ideals of Communism and Capitalism continue. The NK/SK issue is a perfect manifestation of this. Since the battle between the two ideals continues to this day, neither side can give up on their "partners" in this "relic" proxy war, and IMO this problem is not going away any time soon.
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quote:Originally posted by jordanreed: lets see....He will, most likely, use his intelligence and insight, using all his resources available...all his trusted and highly respected staff and military personal will be consulted and listened to with the utmost respect. All avenues will be studied and gone over with a fine-toothed comb until THE BEST solution is finally reached. Calm, diplomatic, INTELLIGENT means will be used. He will respond as a representitive of the american people (who elected him to do just that)..He will do everything possible to gain back some of the respect we have lost around the world. its about time, dont you think?? and he is doing an amazing job!..
Funny, thats probably what the North Koreans are trained to say about Kim Jong Il as well after all that propoganda.
Id like to see something serious be done to put North Korea in check.
Here's your big chance CCM. Tell us all what practical solution you see to resolve this issue with N Korea. No rhetoric, just an actual workable plan. I'm not being facetious either, just wanna know how you'd handle this current issue.
Almost impossible if you want to use non force. Last thing I want to see is a ground war break out on Korea. Ive been in area 1 and it would be a blood bath if both sides collided there.
Only thing that would seem to work is take out the top echelon of Kim's crew from the inside. About impossible with the fear that keeps everyone in check.
Who knows though....the brainwashing is started so young the people could truly be Jim Jones type, or...like CMKX shareholders who still follow acca.
We do need to flex some muscle though if they were assisting the Syrians in the reactor that Israel took out last year. Things like that that come up soon need to be squashed. I dont have an ultimate solution....I could tell you a damn good ground assault plan that would gut the north though.
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And they test fired 2 more short range missiles today. From what I have read, events over the last few days are making some of their neighbors very twitchy. Namely Japan.
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I think China and Russia don't give a sh*t about NK.. they just like that NK ruffles our feathers... the thing is someday their "pet" might turn on them and they are right next to them...
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quote:Originally posted by Machiavelli: I think China and Russia don't give a sh*t about NK.. they just like that NK ruffles our feathers... the thing is someday their "pet" might turn on them and they are right next to them...
I don't think NK is going to turn on China at all. China is NK's #1 ally, and they are the only reason we didn't wipe NK off the map in the 50's. China is also the only reason we don't wipe them off the map today. Without support and aid from China, NK would collapse, and while Kim Jong Ill may be a bit crazy, he is not stupid, and I wouldn't count on him biting the hand that feeds him as a "solution" to this problem..
Just my 2 cents anyway, NR.
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quote:Originally posted by jordanreed: lets see....He will, most likely, use his intelligence and insight, using all his resources available...all his trusted and highly respected staff and military personal will be consulted and listened to with the utmost respect. All avenues will be studied and gone over with a fine-toothed comb until THE BEST solution is finally reached. Calm, diplomatic, INTELLIGENT means will be used. He will respond as a representitive of the american people (who elected him to do just that)..He will do everything possible to gain back some of the respect we have lost around the world. its about time, dont you think?? and he is doing an amazing job!..
Funny, thats probably what the North Koreans are trained to say about Kim Jong Il as well after all that propoganda.
Id like to see something serious be done to put North Korea in check.
Here's your big chance CCM. Tell us all what practical solution you see to resolve this issue with N Korea. No rhetoric, just an actual workable plan. I'm not being facetious either, just wanna know how you'd handle this current issue.
You know who's big chance it is? Check me off this is on your boy Obama. Let's see what does Mr. Magic man does. HE talked all this and that, said oh..im going to stand firm against things like this. So what do we do? We go form multi party talks....AGAIN, probably come up with a plan to give them money. China can do whatever it wants since they own us now practically. How the hell did we ever get here? to this point to where everything is made in China, they own our debt, an interest in the new tower in NYC and the took away the word freedom to the title. What about pumping green light bulbs Obama in all the govt buildings to reduce the carbon footprint when they are all GE bulbs made in China! Who knows how big those "green" bulbs have as far as a carbon footprint goes from manufacture, to cross ocean shipping, to national trucking. My goodness and who financially backed Obama? GE..oh what a surprise what a surprise. What does GE own? MSNBC? wow theres a surprise. Oh guess whos getting all that government "stimulus" money? GE! Where they going to spend it? IN CHINA! woo hoo building wind farm blades on mass production from Chinese factories just like those mercury filled bulbs. Yes! Your very own going greet light bulb made in China, and here is the recommendation for when one breaks:
What to Do if a Fluorescent Light Bulb Breaks
Fluorescent light bulbs contain a very small amount of mercury sealed within the glass tubing. EPA recommends the following clean-up and disposal guidelines:
Open a window and leave the room (restrict access) for at least 15 minutes.
Remove all materials you can without using a vacuum cleaner.
Wear disposable rubber gloves, if available (do not use your bare hands).
Carefully scoop up the fragments and powder with stiff paper or cardboard.
Wipe the area clean with a damp paper towel or disposable wet wipe.
Sticky tape (such as duct tape) can be used to pick up small pieces and powder.
Place all cleanup materials in a plastic bag and seal it.
If your state permits you to put used or broken fluorescent light bulbs in the garbage, seal the bulb in two plastic bags and put into the outside trash (if no other disposal or recycling options are available).
Wash your hands after disposing of the bag.
The first time you vacuum the area where the bulb was broken, remove the vacuum bag once done cleaning the area (or empty and wipe the canister) and put the bag and/or vacuum debris, as well as the cleaning materials, in two sealed plastic bags in the outdoor trash or protected outdoor location for normal disposal.
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Oh guess whos getting all that government "stimulus" money
the same people who always get it cash.
the people who give us what we want, when we want it, for a price we like, and can afford.
all that oil sold at 150$ per barrel? that was too much. it was only worth half that and everybody knows it. that was just as much a part of getting Obama elected as anything else....
we have limited amounts of energy available in the current system, it's more than ten years past time for change. LEDs will be replacin' those tube lights before too long anyway...
GE is not a liberal or leftist outfit. they are progressive tho
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Oh guess whos getting all that government "stimulus" money
the same people who always get it cash.
the people who give us what we want, when we want it, for a price we like, and can afford.
all that oil sold at 150$ per barrel? that was too much. it was only worth half that and everybody knows it. that was just as much a part of getting Obama elected as anything else....
we have limited amounts of energy available in the current system, it's more than ten years past time for change. LEDs will be replacin' those tube lights before too long anyway...
GE is not a liberal or leftist outfit. they are progressive tho
So whats the deal with the Iran connection?
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quote:Originally posted by NaturalResources: I don't think NK is going to turn on China at all. China is NK's #1 ally, and they are the only reason we didn't wipe NK off the map in the 50's. China is also the only reason we don't wipe them off the map today. Without support and aid from China, NK would collapse, and while Kim Jong Ill may be a bit crazy, he is not stupid, and I wouldn't count on him biting the hand that feeds him as a "solution" to this problem..
Just my 2 cents anyway, NR.
Oh, I don't mean in this particular case. I just mean in general SOMEDAY NK will turn on either China or Russia or both.Then IMO the NK problem will be solved swiftly once and for all when they do.
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I don't think it is good or smart tp have NK as a member of the nuclear family they will no doubt use there new weapons for no good.
my way of thinking is that all nations and that includes us give them up completely and go back to the old fashion way of fighting if we have to fight with our leaders leading the charge.
Think of it this way how can in all civil understanding do we think anybody should listen to us when it comes to the suject of wether a country should have nuclear weapons. Since the fact is we have more than anybody eles and we are the only country that has used them on other people. Time of war I know and we had the weapon and the Japanese would have used it on us. But still we used it and my point is it would be better if nobody eles ever gets the chance to, and that includes us as much as anyone eles.
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Looks like he isnt done folks! They are looking to get ready for a long range missle launch...looks like they brough this one out on purpose to stir up things more since this could be the one that can reach Alaska and Hawaii.
Report: N. Korea Missile Arrives at Launch Site Sunday, May 31, 2009
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I didnt know thats the ship that got suck a few months back:
USS PORT ROYAL runs aground half a mile off Honolulu International Airport's reef runway and remains stuck for 4 days until a 9-ship armada including the Navy's salvage ship USNS SALVOR (T-ARS 52) is able to free the cruiser. The Navy undertook three major efforts to free the PORT ROYAL and achieved success after removing about 600 tons of seawater, anchors and other weight.
During the investigation into the cause of the grounding the ship's commanding officer, Capt. John Carroll, was temporarily relieved by Rear Adm. Dixon R. Smith, commander of Naval Surface Group Middle Pacific. Smith temporarily assigned Capt. John T. Lauer III, of Naval Surface Group Middle Pacific staff, as commanding officer.
The grounding occurred after a 4-month routine dry-dock and maintenance period at the Pearl Harbor Naval Shipyard when the PORT ROYAL was transferring sailors, contractors and Pearl Harbor Naval Shipyard workers to shore, via small boat, during her first day of sea trials. No one was injured and no oil or other contaminants have leaked except for a light surface sheen of marine diesel which burns off quickly in sunlight.
Damage caused to the PORT ROYAL includes cracks in the 8-inch thick rubber sonar dome at the bow and sheared off propellers. The ship was towed back to Pearl Harbor Naval Shipyard on February 9 for further damage assessment and dry-docking.
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Obama will talk but no action on NC. And, the enemies of U.S.A. will recognize this and do what tthey want cause Obama is a dream man with lots of rhetoric.
He has a big ego, hence the most insecure than most presidents. It is about what He can do and the govt. HE DESNT UNDERSTAND WHAT MADE THIS COUNTRY GREAT - HARD WORK AND CAPITALISM - I dont get it how he can unilaterally do whaT HIS INSECURE SOCIALIST MIND wants --
Maybe he should stick his head out of domestic govr control and let free enterprise flourish - that is what made this country great with all its faults- and focus on keeping america secure.
But his foreign pplicy is tough with Israel and lets be kissy and appease Iran, etc..
Dont understand why americnas cant see thru his socialistic, egocentric agenda. But, the damage is done and will USA recover from his socialist agenda?
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sorry TM, i couldn't possibly disagree more.
for starters? you are accusing Obama of what Bush and Cheney actually did.
Bush took NO action on NK or do you forget...
Bush had the most unrealistic ego of any person i've ever known of, not just presidents.
as for letting free enterprise flourish? it was corrupted under him to the point that it collasped...
no bid contracts? nonononooo....
Americans don't see thru his agenda becuase it's fairly obvious to everybody how Bush messed us up, and we are going to have to bite the bullet for a long time in order to fix his mess....
i am not clear on how he can be perceived as friendly to Iran.
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So North Korea has a missile that could possibly hit our coastline. Why do we all of a sudden have to do something about this now after 60 years.
Yes, I know North Korea has withdrawn for the armistice agreement and has propagandized the reoccupation of South Korea but seriously, the guy can't even keep more than half his country fed.
He makes as much as a border skirmish here or there and more than a couple countries will officially request our help to ward off aggressions which will leave China unable to protest our actions.
China likes having the little saber rattler on its leash but make no mistake, North Korea is not worth fighting over for them. Not if they ever want to see a return on their investments in world opinion and western economics that is.
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another thing that people don't stop to thnk much about.
China has become a major supplier to US, but their economy is actually much more dependent on ours than ours is on theirs.
we could return to our industrial roots in less than 5 years and just stop buying Chinese. Alot of the big biz that went over there (GM?) would be hit hard, but the US would see more faster job growth than has ever been witnessed on the planet, and the Chinese economy would collapse, if we simply stopped buying Chinese and refused to honor our debt obligations to them.
China doesn't really want NK to do anything more than make big noises.
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Bin Laden Transcript Outlines Plan to Bankrupt U.S. Through War
By Demian McLean
Nov. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden said he is trying to bankrupt the U.S. through its war on terror, a strategy he says felled the Soviet Union two decades ago in Afghanistan, according to a translation by al-Jazeera television of his full, videotaped statement.
``The mujahedeen recently forced Bush to resort to emergency funds to continue the fight in Afghanistan and Iraq, which is evidence of the success of the bleed-until-bankruptcy plan -- with Allah's permission,'' bin Laden said in the video that aired on the Qatar-based satellite network, according to the translation, posted today to al-Jazeera's Web site. The channel aired portions of the statement on Oct. 29.
President George W. Bush's administration plans to seek an additional $70 billion from lawmakers for Iraq and Afghanistan, the head of the U.S. Army Materiel Command, General Paul Kern, said on Oct. 26. The U.S. Congress last year approved $87 billion for military operations and rebuilding in the two countries.
Bin Laden's video appearance, his first since September 2003, came four days before the Nov. 2 presidential vote in which Bush's anti-terrorism policies will play a central role. Bush's challenger, Democratic Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, said in debates and campaign speeches that the president should have focused on capturing bin Laden rather than invading Iraq.
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Bush had an ego but he was a dependant - he let others' do his policy due to his insecurities -
Bush and his cronies harmed america but Obama is harming this land of ours more. His ego is big and he is in charge. He knows all the answers cause he is the chosen. One man knows more than all of americans. That is so unreal. He only knows his life experience and most was in Indonesia and Hawaii. He ALSO doenst know much about free enterprise. He was affirmative action and gor alot of blessings but knows nothing whAT IT MEANS TO EARN IT -
Bush and his cronies would fight their perceived bad guys but Obama just wants to get into bed with them and give equal stance to enemies and our friends - A man that is as insecure as OBAma cant help this land- he just wants to prove he is something by demonstrating how big his ego is ---
His domestic policy is a complete failure that all of america will regret - there maye a short term spike but in long term we will see disaster in this economy cause you cant get recovery by spending money that isnt there - You and I may not see full scale disaster but our kids will see third world status , etc...
In order to recover, those that failed s/b allowed to fail so the strong can pick up the pieces. Now, we all are required to own AIG, GM, FM, freddie, citi, etc...the burden is too great and instead of some failing or alot failing , we may see the whole country fail unless we revolt against socialism...Our kids are worth it ---I rather see hardship in short-term than a long term hell-
Obama has no clue what to do in foreign policy except his rhetoric - he justs wants to sleep with iran, north korea and pretend beheadings wont occur if he says "sorry".
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TM, you can't fight a war the way Bush did.
we are paying and will pay for a long time,
i understand you don't like Obama and his policies, but you are protraying him and his aproach wrongly IMO.
he was left with few choices.
take glance a this site here, it's been around for along time,
BUSH'S WAR POLICY FAILED AMERICA by:
(A) Allowing the high command of Al Qaeda's global insurgency the 7-year boon of a Pakistani safe haven,
(B) Exhausting America's financial, military and ideological resources on a war in Iraq that has only increased the oil revenues, terrorist recruitment and ideological appeal of Al Qaeda's war against American imperialism,
(C) Blocking the clearest path to American victory: a US-led "Manhattan Project" initiative to resolve the global energy crisis through sustainable usages of renewable energy sources.
alot of stuff at this site is dead on, and alot of it is crackpot.. (just like US here at allstocks )
Bush and Cheney were baited into a war that they can't win.
we can't afford to invade NKorea either,
what wopuld you have Obama do?
i'd like him to do just what i suggested, stop Chinese imports and start something even i called for here in '04, a Manhattan Project to get US off all oil tha's not from Northt ASmerica in two to four years and off oil entirely in ten...
i know i'm being idealistic, but we could have done alot of it by NOW if we had started in '03 instead of invading Iraq...
Obama has been in office for four months? and we have yet to see any stimulus money even hit the street...
is our future bleak? only if you give up, i haven't given up.
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I havnt given up but I believe domestically free enterprise is what works - We never had it 100% but state sponsered welfare will create a co-dependant society of 3rd world status - I only want americans to wake up and Obama to take heed that a leader is a servant and not an egotistical, SOCIALIST tyrant.
Bush and really cheney and his cronies failed USA by thinking guns could win a limited war - war is won by fighting with all you got - Iraq was not a just war and because of ineptitude and bad judgment - we got overextended -
But, like I said Obama won because of Bush' hatred- not what it takes to help this land -
ObAMA is an egotist- his greatest issue is abandonment and that brings him massive insecurity that he has to prove 'he' has the answers and is o.k.... No man/woman HAS THE ANSWERS - the MILLIONS IN THIS COUNTRY KNOW MORE than any one leader or administration. We are at a quagmire and others' in foreign arena know it that we cant do much lack of nuke em. Others' will test us and win cause Obama just wants to say "sorry'.
If I were prez, USA would destroy NK nukes or have someone destroy them. If China depends on USA - NK depends on China and i would use that card. NK or IRAN SHOULD BOT BE ALLOWED TO HAVE NUKES. I would stop that before it is too late and ramifications are great.
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They are not a threat to us and if anything Israel will take out Iran's reactors sooner or later like they did in the past with other Mid East countries. They did it to Iraq and Syria no?
TM is just being paranoid like in the McCarthy era... it's Neo McCarthism actually what he is spewing...
Pure Capitalism has been shown to be a failure as has pure Socialism... the only real solution is a combination of the both... the good of each combined... has worked for other countries...
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USA should detroy the the nukes, not the country--- we dont need annymore entanglements. They are a threat to us - nuclear prolif or given to terorists -
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Humans are imperfect as is any system established - but it is capitalism that made this land great and it is capitalism that will save this land - it is ingenuity and freedom that move the human spirit - in socialism, freedom is non-existant - we all are controlled by what state/govt deems -
The less govt interference, the human spirit thrives ...
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