Should Congress legislate to make it a crime to destroy these potential lives?
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Why do these people want to play God? Seriously...now we have genetic makeup artists where you can go and pick out if you want a blond hair blue eye baby. This is getting out of control.
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Great find bdgee just goes to show you when sicience is not repressed the great things that will happen and we see just the tip of the iceberg now. Bush and his gang set us back 200 years
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Why do these people want to play God? Seriously...now we have genetic makeup artists where you can go and pick out if you want a blond hair blue eye baby. This is getting out of control.
Along with being horribly biased and a bigot, you are also hopelessly confused.
Selecting hair and eye color? How? Exactly from where or whom are you cut and pasting that drivel?
What's out of control is you posting absurd bull.
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"Selecting hair and eye color? How? Exactly from where or whom are you cut and pasting that drivel?"
Drivel? See, this is what I am talking about. Something you do not like or agree with and you dismiss it as lies. Go write this news agency and tell them they are full of drivel since apparently you dont like it then thats all it is.
Get over yourself bdgee. These people are trying to play God and it isnt smart. Because you dont believe in God doesnt mean it is ok to act like him.
A fertility clinic's promise to deliver the ultimate in designer babies - letting parents choose eye, hair and even skin color - is sparking a worldwide uproar.
Dr. Jeff Steinberg has already let thousands decide their kids' gender. Now he says that within the next six months, the Manhattan and L.A. offices of his Fertility Institutes will let would-be moms and dads pick whether junior has blue or brown eyes or black or blond hair.
"In the process of doing gender selection ... we've also uncovered the technology [to] characterize things like eye and hair color," said Steinberg, 54.
The idea of a Build-A-Bear style baby was slammed Monday by bioethicists and right-to-life groups - and Pope Benedict has warned against it for years.
The Pope railed against the "obsessive search for the perfect child" just two weekends ago. "A new mentality is creeping in that tends to justify a different consideration of life and personal dignity," he said.
Steinberg countered that reproductive technologies aren't about to go away.
"Genetic health is the wave of the future," he said. "It's already happening and it's not going to go away. It's going to expand. So if they've got major problems with it, they need to sit down and really examine their own consciences because there's nothing that's going to stop it."
Custom-made kids will be achieved through preimplantation genetic diagnosis, or PGD, the procedure used to weed out problem embryos and to allow parents to choose a gender.
In letting parents decide what traits their kids have, doctors will examine the genetic makeup of embryos created in the lab and implant the ones that have the best chance of giving mom and dad what they want.
Some doctors question Steinberg's ability to give parents their pick of traits.
"He's the only one offering this because you can't yet do it," said Sean Tipton of the American Society for Reproductive Technology. "Nobody can do this right now."
Dr. William Kearns, head of the Shady Grove Center for Preimplantation Genetics in Rockville, Md., says some known genetic markers do correlate with a probability of hair, eye and skin color, but he’s against using the data for non-medical reasons.
"Our goal in offering (embryo screening) to couples at risk is to increase the likelihood that they can achieve their dream of having a healthy baby, free from a catastrophic genetic disease," he said. "I won't use the data for non-medical trait selection."
Steinberg, one of the doctors who helped produce the first test-tube baby, admits the technology isn't 100% - and says for now the best results are with couples of Scandinavian heritage, whose gene pools are the least diluted.
"Say you made seven embryos, and one of them has got the highest chance of green eyes, and that chance is 80%. It's not perfect science because eye and hair color are not perfect genetics," said Steinberg, who opened an office on E. 40th St. two months ago.
There are no laws in New York that address how PGD testing can be used. Opponents say there should be.
Lori Kehoe, executive director of the New York State Right to Life Committee, is upset that the embryos deemed undesirable will be destroyed.
She said it is "sickening to flush a member of the human family down the drain" because they are not considered perfect.
Prof. Alexander Capron, bioethicist and professor of law and medicine at the University of Southern California, called Steinberg's procedure problematic. "The notion of unconditional love and support - which is assumed to be what parents owe their children - is totally undermined here," he said.
"You're saying I want to order up just what I want and that's what I'll love."
One New York doctor even likened it to the pursuit of a master race.
"We're crossing the line into eugenics, the theory of trying to give people enhanced characteristics - genetic engineering to make sort of the superman or superwoman," said Dr. Daniel Sulmasy, director of ethics at New York Medical College and St. Vincent's Hospital.
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It's been front or second page news for years now.. How beege can claim it doesn't exist is just amazing. Beege, you were more fun when you were still migrating towards insanity.
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It's horse crap, unless you are talking about the same variety of system that comes via cattle or pig breading. And then it would take careful selection and the willingness of the breeding stock, along with possibly several generations of effort. (Yeah, the Nazis tried it and devoted huge efforts, but so what? That stuff is as old as selective breeding of livestock.)
Rel, you are as big an intellectual patsy as cow.
Exactly which gene or genes control eye and hair color and exactly where and for whom was it done?
It's a pie in the sky bunch of fiction and nonsense to lure fools and excite religious fanatics.
That's not news you have been reading on the front and second page, rel. That's gossip at best. But it fits in well for those prone to believe every conspiracy theory that some wild eyed and fantastic imagination can concoct in order to excuse away reality. There was one months back on the front and second pages of newspapers across the country proving that Jessica Simpson had hexed the Cowboys by sleeping with Romo. Nothing surprising, seeing that any chick that looks like that must be a witch.
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You claim it is not the intent to at some point offer this ability? I know it isn't possible now beege.. I am far from the religious wacko you seem to label everyone as. I for one am not against it.. Just noted that it has been discussed as a very real probability for quite some time.
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quote:Originally posted by Lockman: A typical Bdgee post...He starts a thread and asks a question, then attacks the poster who disagrees with his side of the argument.
It's getting old my friend.
Point to the the answer to any question I ask that cow answered or tried to. What he did was post a bunch of trash ideas evangelical religion of hate and bigotry.
I asked if Congress should pass legislation to prevent actual research that exists and didn't so much as suggest there was any need or desire to speculate on some fictitious junk science. All cow spoke to is bigotry and prejudice on imagined nonsense.
You need to get your stories at least close to the facts before you choose to insult people with your hate and bias. Your attacks on false bases is what is getting old, my friend.
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Should Congress legislate to make it a crime to destroy these potential lives?
We have too many laws already. We only need one more: Congress should legislate that from now on there will be no new laws and the number of laws on the books should be cut by 50%.
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quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: You claim it is not the intent to at some point offer this ability? I know it isn't possible now beege.. I am far from the religious wacko you seem to label everyone as. I for one am not against it.. Just noted that it has been discussed as a very real probability for quite some time.
Nope, I never said such a thing, period. It is you making the absurd accusations.
It may have been discussed, but then, so has travel at greater than the speed of light and the elimination of cancer and perpetual motion.
Moreover, whether or not there is some wild eyed dreamer out there who believes that it is his future Nobel Prize to be and his patent on the process will make him the world's richest person is not a matter I have any intent to further or hinder or even think about, I leave conspiracies and their implications entirely to you, as you are a confirmed expert on any of them, or so you always claim.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Do you have any real life friends bdgee?
Yep. Do you?
Now, do you have any more cheap character attacks to resort to when you haven't got a sustainable position on the topic?
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Why do these people want to play God? Seriously...now we have genetic makeup artists where you can go and pick out if you want a blond hair blue eye baby. This is getting out of control.
I agree 100% Cow....Im a Christian...but don't worry!!!
The Lord is comming soon..way befoe things "get out of control" as you put it!
In the book of MATTHEW...the last sign before the lord comes is that the GOSPEL has to reach every corner of the earth...even the places where people don't even know exist.
Well now we have the internet, cell phones, and litte 9 year old grave robbers running around ancient ruins where their tribes live...text messaging each other back and forth....no money, food, ect...but they can text message lol.....
Not to mention satalite TV, NASA trying to contact other planets.....
What Im trying to say the last sign of the word reaching every corner of the world is being fullfilled right now....even though the Devil created the information age to spread porn, prostitution on craigs list, ect.....the lord once again took the devils scheme and turned it into a vehicle to fullfuil his will!
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Whatever may be said or preferred or wanted to be, women select on the size of the wallet over any actual part of men.
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Yup, no argument there lol. Old instinct that tells them to pick the one who can provide best.
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LOL... Sorry Jordan, Ace of Spades, I think Gene Simmons wins...
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Pretty good despite a major setback.... My desktop computer took a dump on me two weeks ago, and set me back for a while because all my research was on that computer, but fortunately it was a software issue rather than a hardware issue, and after a few headaches, I was overjoyed to discover all my data on the HD still intact. It could have been really ugly cause I hadn't made any backups of my work...
I've made a few major breakthroughs and I'm planing on posting an update at some point tonight.
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I dunno if it was a virus or not Glass. I was using youtube last week and I read an article the other day about a "worm virus" going around there but I dunno if that is what it was or not. When I would turn on my computer, it would tell me "explorer.exe" failed and then crash. I rescued all my important data off the harddrive and just wiped it and then re-installed windows, which I desperately needed to do anyway...
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