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Drudgereport poll shows Palin 74%

Biden 24%

Neither 2%

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Plain and simple....I don't trust Obama.
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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
the only way Biden could lose the deabte was by picking on her...

she even said "ive only been doing this for five weeks, so i haven't made any promises"

which was another NON-answer since the question was about which promises the ticket would have to back off of...

everything she said was cliche... i heard no specifics whatsoever.

Oh come on glass you must have blinders on.
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She cemented herself as McCains VP tonight. There will be plenty for people to make fun of if they want to dig for it but on the whole when it mattered she came through. The few times Biden put her on the ropes she didn't look like she was enjoying it much but she got through well.

I agree, Biden was superior in his examples and detailed answers.

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Oh come on glass you must have blinders on. [Cool]

seriously? you think she answered questions? all i heard her doing was giving mini-speeches..

i'll be the first to admit that i'm not joe six pack...

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what really killed me and made me laugh was when she started talking about teachers and acknowledging her father in the audience and that he is a school teacher... she sounded like she was accepting a Grammy award or something lol

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Glassy-Eyed writes:

she gave a dozen mini-campaign-speeches, and answered very few questions...

yup, the handlers have found her "strength," and she's at least smart enough to respond.

btw, was Biden hitting on her *wink-wink* afterward?

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maybe he was...

even on Fox they are saying she won by personality, she' more likeable to average people, but that her answers were shallow...

that's how we got Bush...

There you go talking about the past again Joe...

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I didn't watch, but two people from another message board that I go to said the exact same thing. He must not have been very subtle [Smile]

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Glassy-Eyed writes:
btw, was Biden hitting on her *wink-wink* afterward?


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Did she help her ticket??

after the atrocious Katie Couric interview polls shifted toward Obama.

I think she did redeem herself tonight and didn't fold under pressure.

Because of this I think we see a few point shift towards McCain.

We'll see.

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even on Fox they are saying that nothing has changed...

she didn't embarass herself tonight... but that's about it...

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quote:
Originally posted by PCola77:
I didn't watch, but two people from another message board that I go to said the exact same thing. He must not have been very subtle [Smile]

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Glassy-Eyed writes:
btw, was Biden hitting on her *wink-wink* afterward?


AMAZING!

Two others...as sharp-eyed as I?

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"There you go talking about the past again Joe..."

ya...just like the "2nd grade" wisecrack.

She may as well smack gum and show tatoos...

very much the teen-ager

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Plain said she cut taxes as Governor and mayor..
that's not honest at all...

she left the town 20 million in debt, and raised taxes in Alaska, ask the oil co's if she raised taxes..

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Yes, Palin clearly won and by a wide margin. What the socialists on the left don't and can't understand is that Palin is liked by average midwestern people. Biden is a slick talking Washington politician (like McCain and Obama), while Palin is an normal person with common sense that talks like a normal person.

The only bad thing is that Palin is #2 on the ticket instead of being the Presidential Candidate on the Republican side.

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quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
Yes, Palin clearly won and by a wide margin. What the socialists on the left don't and can't understand is that Palin is liked by average midwestern people. Biden is a slick talking Washington politician (like McCain and Obama), while Palin is an normal person with common sense that talks like a normal person.

The only bad thing is that Palin is #2 on the ticket instead of being the Presidential Candidate on the Republican side.

LOL..... now that is hilarious.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
Yes, Palin clearly won and by a wide margin. What the socialists on the left don't and can't understand is that Palin is liked by average midwestern people. Biden is a slick talking Washington politician (like McCain and Obama), while Palin is an normal person with common sense that talks like a normal person.

The only bad thing is that Palin is #2 on the ticket instead of being the Presidential Candidate on the Republican side.

LOL..... now that is hilarious.
Funny thing is that they would win hands down if it were true... [Eek!]
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quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
Yes, Palin clearly won and by a wide margin. What the socialists on the left don't and can't understand is that Palin is liked by average midwestern people. Biden is a slick talking Washington politician (like McCain and Obama), while Palin is an normal person with common sense that talks like a normal person.

The only bad thing is that Palin is #2 on the ticket instead of being the Presidential Candidate on the Republican side.

noise:signal

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They played rope-a-dope and the republican dope got roped.

As the days go by you will hear more and more people point out that she ignored the questions, thereby showing disrespect and disdain for the people, and just went off on Party line tangents, repeating over and over the same tired republican anti-tax mantra and saying absolutely nothing that isn't 30 years old and worn out.

The people are DEMANDING change, not verbiage and campaign speeches..

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this "thing" about running up the white flag shows absolute disdain for the majority of the countries attitude too...

i don't know what she thinks winning is or will be, but to say that the way she did gives terrorists talking points.

i hope the MCain people turn her loose and let her go talk all she wants... she's a major catastrophe looking for a place to happen,, and i would rather it happen before anybody is elected rather than when she has to step into Mcains shoes.

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"but to say that the way she did gives terrorists talking points. "

good point--kinda subtle, but good.

You have to be a grownup to understand that...

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quote:
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this "thing" about running up the white flag shows absolute disdain for the majority of the countries attitude too...

i don't know what she thinks winning is, but to say that the way she did gives terrorists talking points.

i hope the MCain people turn her loose and let her go talk all she wants... she's a major catastrophe looking for a place to happen

I might be more sympathetic to McCain's desire to win if he could do just two things.

1) Tell me specifically and completely what the hell he means by "winning" in Iraq.

2) Detail, including when and exactly how, "winning" can be achieved in Iraq and, more importantly, what, other than to his bloated military ego, value there is in it.

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Palin said something about Obama saying we were "air-raiding civilians" and Sean Hannity is absolutely frothing at the mouth about it...

so i thought i'd look up the quote... can't find it...

anybody else able to?

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OK, here it is:

"Now you have narco drug lords who are helping to finance the Taliban, so we’ve got to get the job done there, and that requires us to have enough troops that we are not just air raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there."

http://gatewaypundit.********.com/2007/08/obama-us-air-raids-villages-kills.html


LOL... yeah he was saying we can't just send Raptors in with bombs, we need bootleather...

amazing how some people twist and spin stuffhuh?

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I believe I remember hearing Palin make that comment in one of the Curic interviews.

(Not to worry about Hannity frothing at the mouth. Yep, I think it is rabies. The pound supposedly has a patrol out looking for him already. I know the reason they haven't already picked him up, because I heard the two guys they sent to get him b-tchin about it, saying they were there to pick up dogs and cats, not skunks.)

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For anybody interested? CNN re-running the VP debate now...

omg...she swallowed the green-weenie about "the American workforce" when McCain was talking the economy, NOT the workers.

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quote:
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For anybody interested? CNN re-running the VP debate now...

omg...she swallowed the green-weenie about "the American workforce" when McCain was talking the economy, NOT the workers.

and she winked at me when she did it [Wink]

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here she goes, "i'm not gonna answer the questions"... she's in her own little world...

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Biden cited a guy he knew who said he can't say how much it costs to fill his tank--CUZ THE GUY CAIN'T AFFORD IT!

Where are the real journalists?

Why are these wild assertations not checked then published?

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Yeah, Tex, and you know Biden could have pinned her ears with that nonsense, because we all knew what McCain really said and meant.

He didn't and didn't jump on several others. Like I said, they were letting the numskull pick for a VP candidate huff and puff and punch herself out while they lean on the ropes.

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they can't pick on a woman... not even a little bit...

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No, but it is the same tactic Obama used with McCain. Let the republicans make all the seeming noise and chest pounding accusations them let the public opinion work on their on on the republican's lack of integrity and lack of respect for "working across the aisle".
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
this "thing" about running up the white flag shows absolute disdain for the majority of the countries attitude too...

i don't know what she thinks winning is, but to say that the way she did gives terrorists talking points.

i hope the MCain people turn her loose and let her go talk all she wants... she's a major catastrophe looking for a place to happen

I might be more sympathetic to McCain's desire to win if he could do just two things.

1) Tell me specifically and completely what the hell he means by "winning" in Iraq.

2) Detail, including when and exactly how, "winning" can be achieved in Iraq and, more importantly, what, other than to his bloated military ego, value there is in it.

This is the one question I wish someone would ask either McCain or Palin. I want to know how they define Victory. This is not a conventional war, so the idea of Victory needs to be defined. Just as saying the Surge was a success really has no meaning. All the Surge did was to chase the majority of Terrorist to Afghanistan and Pakistan.
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As far as the debate: I can't see how anyone could think that Palin has anywhere close to Biden's Understanding of the issues. Biden shows the ability to study the facts of issues, assimilate that information and take a stand based on what he has learned. Palin on the other hand doesn't show a deep understanding of the issues. It looked like see had index cards or something on the podium that she would read from at times in an attempt to answer.

One other thing I thought was pretty ironic was that she seemed to be trying to create "Gottcha" moments after both her and McCain derided the Press of doing that very thing.

Biden is Biden he does make mistakes in some of his rhetoric but it isn't because he doesn't understand the material but because it seems at times that his mouth over rides his brain. He also isn't the most personable connecting with the public.

Now some will probably call me Elitist or a nitpicker for this next comment but here goes. I cringe at the amount of times that Palin uses "Got to" and "Got" in speaking especially since her major was journalism. In High School, I took journalism was Sports Editor and then Editor of the School paper. The use of grammar was very important. It's hard for me to understand how someone could achieve a college degree in journalism without learning basic grammar.

Now for those who think I'm Elitist or nitpicking, I grew up in East Los Angeles in a lower middle income family and went to public school so I am far from an Elitist.

Tex: I was thinking along the same lines as you. Her manner of speech and facial mannerisms reminded me of a teenager. Not someone I would feel comfortable sending as a representative to meet with world leaders.

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I missed the debates work called and no time to listen to them. Whish I could have . But my dreams came true after I read the posts of most of you. Palin acted like I wished for.

The republicans could not have picked two people that are going to cause a disaster for the ticket. Its almost a gift for the DNC. If the dems can't win this time there is no reason to have the party anymore.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27004258/

"Other Democrats said that as well as she may have done, she probably did not sway undecided voters. "For people who were already inclined to vote for John McCain, there was nothing about Sarah Palin's performance to keep them from doing that," Democrat Geoff Garin said. "But McCain's problem is that there aren't enough people who are inclined to vote for him, and nothing about Palin's performance changed that, either."

But Republicans had a positive reaction, as if a weight had been lifted off McCain's shoulders. "She delivered big-time," said Tom Rath, a New Hampshire-based GOP strategist. "It was the best 90 minutes this campaign has had in two weeks. . . . Whatever expectations there were, she blew them away.""


I guess it's easy to blow away expectations when those expectations are so low. It's almost like expecting to fail a test and somehow pulling a "c". You're still average but it sure blows away failing.

It's also pretty sad that a GOP strategist believes that her performance was the best 90 minutes in the last 2 weeks for the campaign. No wonder Obama's lead has been increasing.


I had been looking, not really very hard, for prior debates that Sarah Palin had been involved in and found this on Utube. This is a completely different Sarah Palin. She is well spoken and has no discernible accent. There can only be 2 reasons for the change. Either the GOP told her to dumb it down in an effort to appeal to certain segments of society or she just isn't as comfortable with national and international issues. Of course, it could be a combination of the two. If it's solely the GOP strategy then it is both sexist and condescending to the American public.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYaJkWUBP3s

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