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If they are unhappy with our consumption, Big, they need to stop whoring out their resources. If they don't want our money, don't take it. If they do, then it's a simple transaction and seller's remorse is simply unbecoming of them.
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quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: If they are unhappy with our consumption, Big, they need to stop whoring out their resources. If they don't want our money, don't take it. If they do, then it's a simple transaction and seller's remorse is simply unbecoming of them.
be careful what you ask for.
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I try to be. How fast do you think we'd increase both drilling locations and refinery capacity if our current oil arteries were being cut back or off?
quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: I try to be. How fast do you think we'd increase both drilling locations and refinery capacity if our current oil arteries were being cut back or off?
Glass half full and all that.
watch how fast we do switch to alternative fuels now that it's been decided that we will...
keep in mind that in '00 we were already well on our way to developing fully operational electric cars that worked. i saw 'em all over the UC Riverside Campus being tested by the Maintenance Dept. as well as the Physics Dept. Toyota and Ford both provided them, but "something changed" in '01...
hint: The Cheney Energy Task Force
look at Brazil's response to the OPEC oil embargo of the '70's (yeah we already HAD our oil artery cut once)
the fact is? refining capacity COULD have been increased any time..
the environmental laws do not prohibit building them.
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watch how fast we do switch to alternative fuels now that it's been decided that we will...
The current speed with which we're adopting these new technologies is exactly what concerns me.
The rush into biofuels is what is currently causing the increase in world wide food prices as well and the soon to be felt meat shortage. We're burning our food to produce a net-negative amount of energy.
The Hydrogen is the one I like the best so far, but it still has safety concerns about the infrastructure needed to insure safe storage of the gas as well as refueling processes. The other concern is the amount of electricity needed to produce the gas from the water.
The electical concern is even greater with the electric car you mentioned. The amount of energy needed to supply all, or even the majority, of cars on the road is enormous. It has to come from somewhere.
Wind, Hydro, and Solar power are very promising but not at the point where they can replace the current supply sources to accomodate the current and future needs.
Neccessity is still the Mother of Invention. Increase the need...increase the innovation to satisfy it.
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Hook up a couple solar panels and use electrolysis to separate the hydrogen from oxygen in a tank of water and you have your fuel source for your hydrogen cell.
Every home in America could be energy independant (the northern states would likely need reserve tanks for winter months.)
I am still willing to believe that manufacturing a good cost effective cell is still in the works but I get the feeling the bigger players are holding back trying to find a way to control the market before mass production starts. Keeping people on the grid is important to the power players.
And SF...there is no room within you for criticism of a man who eats himself into corpulence?
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And SF...there is no room within you for criticism of a man who eats himself into corpulence?
You making fun of fat people, Big? ARE YOU!?!?!
Just kidding. Of course there is something to be said for advocating healthy eating habits, but that's a domestic issue. The rest of the world doesn't need to worry about us on that front. Thanks though.
And on the SUV part, I live in Utah and for several months of the year if you don't have some form of 4 wheel drive you're taking your life into your own hands. My SUV is neccessary to my family's safety. I'm not giving it up no matter how many Europeans hate me.
Hook up a couple solar panels and use electrolysis to separate the hydrogen from oxygen in a tank of water and you have your fuel source for your hydrogen cell.
Every home in America could be energy independant (the northern states would likely need reserve tanks for winter months.)
If that's true and it's safe for my kids to be around, sign me up.
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