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Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
 
Here is a report about Obama from a black columnist. He definitely brings
a different light to this newly minted
politician.

Ken Blackwell - Columnist for the New York Sun

It's an amazing time to be alive in America. We're in a
year of firsts in this presidential election: the first viable woman
candidate; the first viable African-American
candidate; and, a candidate who is the first front running
freedom fighter over 70. The next president of America will be a first.

We won't truly be in an election of firsts, however,
until we judge every candidate by where they stand. We
won't arrive where we should be until we no longer talk
about skin color or gender.

Now that Barack Obama steps to the front of the Democratic field, we need to
stop talking about his race, and start talking about his policies and his
politics.

The reality is this: Though the Democrats will not have
a nominee until August, unless Hillary Clinton drops out,
Mr. Obama is now the frontrunner, and its time America takes a closer and
deeper look at him.

Some pundits are calling him the next John F. Kennedy.
He's not. He's the next George McGovern. And it's time
people learned the facts. Because the truth is that Mr.
& gt; Ob ama is the single most liberal senator in the entire U.S.
Senate. He is more liberal than Ted Kennedy, Bernie
Sanders, or Mrs. Clinton. Never in my life have I seen a
presidential frontrunner whose rhetoric is so far removed
from his record. Walter Mondale promised to raise our
taxes, and he lost. George McGovern promised military weakness, and he lost.
Michael Dukakis promised a liberal domestic agenda, and he lost.

Yet Mr. Obama is promising all those things, and he's not
behind in the polls. Why? Because the press has dealt with him as if he
were in a beauty pageant.

Mr. Obama talks about getting past party, getting past red and blue, to lead
the United States of America. But let's look at the more de fined strokes of
who he is underneath this superficial 'beauty.'

Start with national security, since the president's most
important duties are as commander-in-chief. Over the
summer, Mr. Obama talked about invading Pakistan, a nation armed with
nuclear weapons; meeting without preconditions with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who
vows to destroy Israel and create another Holocaust; and Kim Jong II, who is
murdering and starving his people, but emphasized that the nuclear option
was off the table against terrorists - something no president has ever taken
off the table since we created nuclear weapons in the 1940s. Even Democrats
who have worked in national security condemned all of those remarks. Mr.
Obama is a foreign-policy novice who would put our national security at
risk.

Next, consider economic policy. For all its faults, our
health care system is th e stro ngest in the world. And free
trade agreements, created by Bill Clinton as well as
President Bush, have made more goods more affordable so that even people of
modest means can live a life that no one imagined a generation ago. Yet Mr.
Obama promises to raise taxes on 'the rich.' How to fix Social Security?
Raise taxes. How to fix Medicare? Raise taxes. Prescription drugs? Raise
taxes. Free college? Raise taxes. Socialize medicine? Raise taxes. His
solution to everything is to have government take it over. Big Brother on
steroids, funded by your paycheck.

Finally, look at the social issues. Mr. Obama had the
audacity to open a stadium rally by saying, 'All praise and
glory to God!' but says that Christian leaders speaking for
life and marriage have 'hijacked' - hijacked - Christianity.
He is pro-partial birth abortion, and promises to appoint
Supreme Co urt ju stices who will rule any restriction on it
unconstitutional. He espouses the abortion views of
Margaret Sanger, one of the early advocates of racial
cleansing. His spiritual leaders endorse homosexual
marriage, and he is moving in that direction. In Illinois,
he refused to vote against a statewide ban - ban - on all
handguns in the state. These are radical left, Hollywood,
and San Francisco values, not Middle America values.

The real Mr. O bama is an easy target for the general
election. Mrs. Clinton is a far tougher opponent. But Mr.
Obama could win if people don't start looking behind his
veneer and flowery speeches. His vision of 'bringing
America together' means saying that those who disagree with his agenda for
America are hijackers or warmongers. Uniting the country means adopting his
liberal agenda and abandoning any conflicting beliefs.

But right now everyone is talking about how eloquent of
a speaker he is and - yes - they're talking about his race.
Those should never be the factors on which we base our
choice for president. Mr. Obama's radical agenda sets him far outside the
American mainstream, to the left of Mrs. Clinton.
 
Posted by cottonjim on :
 
More propaganda....... they think we are sheep. Ba Ba Bull Chit..
 
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
 


What part of it is untrue, Jim?
 
Posted by cottonjim on :
 
I didn't say any of it was, I just said it was propaganda....... that's all. It comes from both sides, heaven forbad we make our own decision without party BS
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SeekingFreedom:


What part of it is untrue, Jim?

Which part is true?
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
One thing is for sure....anyone remember CMKX and urban casavant? He sure told everyone what they wanted to hear and to this day...in May 2008 after everything that went down and still is...people....sheeple...still are in paltalk worshipping urban saying him and the master are going to give them millions.

So...my point is I like the way obama talks, but I bet hes so good he can get anyone to believe in him without taking any facts or any voting history into consideration.


Im not saying I like or DONT like him....I think he is good for being fresh, and he does want change....but change to WHAT? what will it be?
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
what's true?

unless he's very, very careful...he'll be killed.

You don't make these kinds of waves, in this country, without becoming a target.

Obviously, the most stable platform at this point is Obama as prez, Billary as vice-prez.

That way, we've got the potential for all this change we've been hearing about, with Bill as back up.

YAY half-blacks! YAY women! YAY previous experience!
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
Which part is true?
All of it.

quote:
Im not saying I like or DONT like him....I think he is good for being fresh, and he does want change....but change to WHAT? what will it be?
To socialism, of course. That's what he's all about - government control of just about everything.
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
lol...
 
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
 
George McGovern (paraphrased from Wikipedia)

WW2 Veteran

Known for opposing Vietnam and criticism of President Johnson's (Democrat) Vietnam policies and his fellow senate members for failing to support an amendment to withdraw troops in 1970.

Reformed the democratic nomination process giving more significance to state primaries and caucuses and limiting the role of officials in the nomination process.

Supported ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment.

Wanted a 30% reduction in Defense spending.

Ran on a populist message when nominee for President in 1972.

Lost his fist Vice Presidential choice after revealed Eagleton had been treated for depression with electric shock therapy. This forced Eagleton out and made McGovern look indecisive.

Was labeled the candidate of "amnesty, abortion, and legalization of pot" after a Novak report quoting an "unnamed senator" who was identified as Eagleton after his death. McGovern rebutted that the quote was manufactured but the label stuck.

Authorized military action during Iran hostage crisis.

Lost his senate seat in Regan revolution. Ran for president again in '84 as a comeback but derailed quickly.
 
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
 
Obama's promise to take
quote:
the war that has to be won
to the correct battlefield.

Obama's statements regarding Pakistan

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/01/AR2007080101233. html
 
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
 
Who has taken nuclear weapons off the table?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/09/AR2007080900855_ pf.html

Besides...can anyone tell me of a scenario where a nuke might actually help in a fight against a group that operates in cells of 10-12 members dispersed widely throughout a population?
 
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
 
...Strongest Healthcare system in the world??? That's debatable. Most expensive...that would be more appropriate.

...Christianity has been hijacked? Even some of their own members are saying that.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/02/evangelicals.ap/

Pro-partial birth abortion?

quote:
In an interview on Fox News Sunday, Obama said, "On an issue like partial-birth abortion, I strongly believe that the state can properly restrict late-term abortions. I have said so repeatedly. All I've said is we should have a provision to protect the health of the mother, and many of the bills that came before me didn't have that."
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/apr/08042805.html


...And as to gay marriage...

Barack Obama
Opposes same-sex marriage, but also opposes a constitutional ban. Supports civil unions

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.samesexmarriage.html
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
For all its faults, our
health care system is th e stro ngest in the world.

You MUST be kidding...
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
For all its faults, our
health care system is th e stro ngest in the world.

You MUST be kidding...
Russian friend of mine that i chat with online told me that Russia's healthcare system under the USSR was a very strong system and now that it's privatized it is in chaos... I did my own indie research on the internet about it and she's right...
 
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
 
quote:
McCain rejects endorsement of a second controversial pastor
Posted: 10:01 AM ET

From CNN Associate Political Editor Rebecca Sinderbrand


(CNN) — Hours after his rejection of Pastor John Hagee’s endorsement, John McCain rejected the backing of Pastor Rod Parsley, who said that Islam was a “conspiracy of spiritual evil.”

"I believe there is no place for that kind of dialogue in America,” he told the Associated Press. “And I believe that even though he endorsed me, and I didn't endorse him, the fact is that I repudiate such talk, and I reject his endorsement."

The decision to cut off Parsley could have the bigger impact on the presidential race: in 2004, the Ohio pastor was a major figure in an unprecedented evangelical turnout operation that helped an anti-gay marriage ballot initiative pass overwhelmingly, and which was widely believed to have helped President Bush carry the critical swing state state – and the presidency — by a slimmer one.

The leader of the World Harvest Church in Columbus also founded the Center for Moral Clarity — an organization which has held that adultery should be treated as a crime – during the last presidential cycle.

Your pastor by any chance PM? [Razz]
 
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
 
bump
 
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
 
Did you ok that bump with our European posters, Big?

According to Obama, we can't just eat, drive or do whatever we want without clearing it with them first. [Razz]
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
If our health care is so great why are we ranked 37th in the world?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The World Health Organization's ranking
of the world's health systems.
Source: WHO World Health Report - See also Spreadsheet Details (731kb)
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Rank Country

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei
41 New Zealand
42 Bahrain
43 Croatia
44 Qatar
45 Kuwait
46 Barbados
47 Thailand
48 Czech Republic
49 Malaysia
50 Poland
51 Dominican Republic
52 Tunisia
53 Jamaica
54 Venezuela
55 Albania
56 Seychelles
57 Paraguay
58 South Korea
59 Senegal
60 Philippines
61 Mexico
62 Slovakia
63 Egypt
64 Kazakhstan
65 Uruguay
66 Hungary
67 Trinidad and Tobago
68 Saint Lucia
69 Belize
70 Turkey
71 Nicaragua
72 Belarus
73 Lithuania
74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
75 Argentina
76 Sri Lanka
77 Estonia
78 Guatemala
79 Ukraine
80 Solomon Islands
81 Algeria
82 Palau
83 Jordan
84 Mauritius
85 Grenada
86 Antigua and Barbuda
87 Libya
88 Bangladesh
89 Macedonia
90 Bosnia-Herzegovina
91 Lebanon
92 Indonesia
93 Iran
94 Bahamas
95 Panama
96 Fiji
97 Benin
98 Nauru
99 Romania
100 Saint Kitts and Nevis
101 Moldova
102 Bulgaria
103 Iraq
104 Armenia
105 Latvia
106 Yugoslavia
107 Cook Islands
108 Syria
109 Azerbaijan
110 Suriname
111 Ecuador
112 India
113 Cape Verde
114 Georgia
115 El Salvador
116 Tonga
117 Uzbekistan
118 Comoros
119 Samoa
120 Yemen
121 Niue
122 Pakistan
123 Micronesia
124 Bhutan
125 Brazil
126 Bolivia
127 Vanuatu
128 Guyana
129 Peru
130 Russia
131 Honduras
132 Burkina Faso
133 Sao Tome and Principe
134 Sudan
135 Ghana
136 Tuvalu
137 Ivory Coast
138 Haiti
139 Gabon
140 Kenya
141 Marshall Islands
142 Kiribati
143 Burundi
144 China
145 Mongolia
146 Gambia
147 Maldives
148 Papua New Guinea
149 Uganda
150 Nepal
151 Kyrgystan
152 Togo
153 Turkmenistan
154 Tajikistan
155 Zimbabwe
156 Tanzania
157 Djibouti
158 Eritrea
159 Madagascar
160 Vietnam
161 Guinea
162 Mauritania
163 Mali
164 Cameroon
165 Laos
166 Congo
167 North Korea
168 Namibia
169 Botswana
170 Niger
171 Equatorial Guinea
172 Rwanda
173 Afghanistan
174 Cambodia
175 South Africa
176 Guinea-Bissau
177 Swaziland
178 Chad
179 Somalia
180 Ethiopia
181 Angola
182 Zambia
183 Lesotho
184 Mozambique
185 Malawi
186 Liberia
187 Nigeria
188 Democratic Republic of the Congo
189 Central African Republic
190 Myanmar
 
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
 
The World Health Organization's ranking
of the world's health systems.
Source: WHO World Health Report


This WHO, unlike the way cool The Who, has many reasons to rate us lower than we should be. Not saying we're the best...but we're below France AND Canada...wow!

[Confused]
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
Our system is, in a word...horrible; literally, full of horrors.
 
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SeekingFreedom:
Did you ok that bump with our European posters, Big?

According to Obama, we can't just eat, drive or do whatever we want without clearing it with them first. [Razz]

ok...my turn to bite...eh? What choo talking about Willis?
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
Does France include all of the muslim immigrants in there health care.

It's not really fair to compare the USA to countries a 16th of our size. Has anyone analized the French system to see if it would in fact work in an open society such as the USA?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SeekingFreedom:
The World Health Organization's ranking
of the world's health systems.
Source: WHO World Health Report


This WHO, unlike the way cool The Who, has many reasons to rate us lower than we should be. Not saying we're the best...but we're below France AND Canada...wow!

[Confused]

actually? one of the reasons we rank so low is the number of people that die from going to the hospital...
it's more than people dying from car accidents... and these deaths are preventable accidental deaths, not from what they went to the hospital for...

the problem has gotten so bad that Medicare in several states is now refusing to pay for any costs associated with care provided as a result of "providers" mistakes...

Medicare Refuses to Pay for Hospital Errors

Posted on: Tuesday, 19 February 2008, 18:05 CST

WASHINGTON - It's a new way to push for patient safety: Don't pay hospitals when they commit certain errors.


http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1260862/medicare_refuses_to_pay_for_hospital _errors/index.html
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
the Cato Intitute (a non-profit think tank with strong libertarian leanings) did a study contradicting the WHO finding, but even their conservative re-evaluation had a difficult time rating the US above France or Canada.

the CATO findings agrued that the WHO study was too heavily weighted against the US because it actaully measured how many people received abysmal (or no) medical treatment..

To account for the quality of care received by the worst-off, the index could include a factor that measures health among the poor, or a health care system’s responsiveness to the poor.
Alternatively, a separate health
performance index could be constructed for
poor households or members of disadvantaged
minorities.


Using the OA ranking, the U.S. rank could
range anywhere from 7 to 24. By comparison,
France could range from 3 to 11 and Canada
from4 to 14. T

 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
I guess if you need medical attention you should get on a plane and go to France or Canada.

Do France and Canada have the best Doctors and hospitals or is it just that you don't pay out of pocket? Oh wait they do pay and very hansomely from what I've heard.
 
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
 
ok...my turn to bite...eh? What choo talking about Willis?

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MDRmOGMyYWRiMGU4ZjA0YTU3OGUyNTQyN mNlYzliZDk=

Gotta love those groupies. [Smile]


"Can we eat as much as we want?"

"NO, WE CAN'T!"
 
Posted by glassman on :
 

"Can we eat as much as we want?"


now that you bring it up? that's another reason we are low on the list... LOL.. they look at things like the overall health of the population, you know, things like frequency of obesity and diabetes...

did you read that
http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1260862/medicare_refuses_to_pay_for_hospital _errors/index.html

article?

Today, one in four hospitalized patients is outfitted with a urinary catheter. The tubes trigger more than half a million urinary tract infections a year, the most common hospital-caused infection.

Yet many patients don't even need catheters - they're an automatic precaution after certain surgeries - and many who do have them for days longer than necessary. Why? The University of Michigan reported the first national study of catheter practices last month, finding nearly half of hospitals don't even keep track of who gets one.


why do people who don't need catheters get them?
or why EVERYBODY seems to have high cholesterol of one type or another?
there's one simple answer to that: $


ever wonder why the TV ads give you a laundry list of symptoms to describe to your doctor so you can ask for their medicine?

specific kinds of psychosomatic symptoms found among Victorian-era women in America and western Europe which have largely disappeared. Anthropologists have noted that culture plays an important role in which particular somatic expression results from a given internal psychological experience.

power of suggestion? nah couldn't possibly be that:D
 
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SeekingFreedom:
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MDRmOGMyYWRiMGU4ZjA0YTU3OGUyNTQyN mNlYzliZDk=

Gotta love those groupies. [Smile]


Not even worth replying to. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
 
I thought it was a joke myself until they ran the clip on the evening news. I really wonder if he really gets the whole sovereignity thing at all.

[Wall Bang]
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SeekingFreedom:
I thought it was a joke myself until they ran the clip on the evening news. I really wonder if he really gets the whole sovereignity thing at all.

[Wall Bang]

what *are* you going on about?
 
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXIvmJ8xenc&feature=related

I'm not sure I'm cool with our future president making policy based on whether the other countires are 'ok' with it. Especially when it comes to home temperature (already getting close to being regulated in cali) or vehicle choice (already mandated for higher gas mileage in the next few years) or how much we choose to eat in one sitting (guess no more thanksgiving feasts).
 
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
 
Common SF!!!!

I thought you were interested in debate??? You've spun this statement so hard you had to use a centerfuge to get to that result!
 
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
 
What spin?

Although I actually do use centrifuges to mold liquid polyurethane at work. TMI I guess. [Smile]

I would love to hear what you think he meant by it.

He is as much as saying that we have to change our lifestyle (for the worse) to make other countries happy.

How did you take it?
 
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
 
Really? You use centrifuges at work? Weird.

The man is talking about the 25% (1/4) of the worlds non-renewable energy resources that we use when we have a population that makes up 3% (1/33)of the worlds population. Translation is that type of disparity is going to breed resentment. We all know this is true (if you have been out of the country anyway.)

The very first sentence is about how we can't tell them not to grow. We can't tell who not to grow what? He is talking about how we don't have the right to tell other countries not to use more non-sustainable energy resources until we curtail our own appetite.

It has nothing to do with making sure the EU 'oks' his policies before they are enacted. That is spin. As is that whole YouTube video for not including the point of the speech but only picking up where they could turn it into something inflammatory.
 
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
 
If they are unhappy with our consumption, Big, they need to stop whoring out their resources. If they don't want our money, don't take it. If they do, then it's a simple transaction and seller's remorse is simply unbecoming of them.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SeekingFreedom:
If they are unhappy with our consumption, Big, they need to stop whoring out their resources. If they don't want our money, don't take it. If they do, then it's a simple transaction and seller's remorse is simply unbecoming of them.

be careful what you ask for.
 
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
 
I try to be. How fast do you think we'd increase both drilling locations and refinery capacity if our current oil arteries were being cut back or off?

Glass half full and all that.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SeekingFreedom:
I try to be. How fast do you think we'd increase both drilling locations and refinery capacity if our current oil arteries were being cut back or off?

Glass half full and all that.

watch how fast we do switch to alternative fuels now that it's been decided that we will...

keep in mind that in '00 we were already well on our way to developing fully operational electric cars that worked. i saw 'em all over the UC Riverside Campus being tested by the Maintenance Dept. as well as the Physics Dept. Toyota and Ford both provided them, but "something changed" in '01...

hint: The Cheney Energy Task Force

look at Brazil's response to the OPEC oil embargo of the '70's (yeah we already HAD our oil artery cut once)

the fact is? refining capacity COULD have been increased any time..

the environmental laws do not prohibit building them.
 
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
 
watch how fast we do switch to alternative fuels now that it's been decided that we will...


The current speed with which we're adopting these new technologies is exactly what concerns me.

The rush into biofuels is what is currently causing the increase in world wide food prices as well and the soon to be felt meat shortage. We're burning our food to produce a net-negative amount of energy.

The Hydrogen is the one I like the best so far, but it still has safety concerns about the infrastructure needed to insure safe storage of the gas as well as refueling processes. The other concern is the amount of electricity needed to produce the gas from the water.

The electical concern is even greater with the electric car you mentioned. The amount of energy needed to supply all, or even the majority, of cars on the road is enormous. It has to come from somewhere.

Wind, Hydro, and Solar power are very promising but not at the point where they can replace the current supply sources to accomodate the current and future needs.

Neccessity is still the Mother of Invention. Increase the need...increase the innovation to satisfy it.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
We're burning our food to produce a net-negative amount of energy.

you can thank Bush for that...

The rush into biofuels is what is currently causing the increase in world wide food prices

not provable... i see nobody using Rice for ethanol... something else is going on...

Hydrogen is much more manipulable than you have been led to beleive...

it can be produced anywhere there is sunlight.
 
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
 
Yep,

Hook up a couple solar panels and use electrolysis to separate the hydrogen from oxygen in a tank of water and you have your fuel source for your hydrogen cell.

Every home in America could be energy independant (the northern states would likely need reserve tanks for winter months.)

I am still willing to believe that manufacturing a good cost effective cell is still in the works but I get the feeling the bigger players are holding back trying to find a way to control the market before mass production starts. Keeping people on the grid is important to the power players.

And SF...there is no room within you for criticism of a man who eats himself into corpulence?
 
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
 
And SF...there is no room within you for criticism of a man who eats himself into corpulence?

You making fun of fat people, Big? ARE YOU!?!?!

[Mad] [Mad] [Mad] [Mad] [Mad]

Just kidding. Of course there is something to be said for advocating healthy eating habits, but that's a domestic issue. The rest of the world doesn't need to worry about us on that front. Thanks though.

And on the SUV part, I live in Utah and for several months of the year if you don't have some form of 4 wheel drive you're taking your life into your own hands. My SUV is neccessary to my family's safety. I'm not giving it up no matter how many Europeans hate me.

Hook up a couple solar panels and use electrolysis to separate the hydrogen from oxygen in a tank of water and you have your fuel source for your hydrogen cell.

Every home in America could be energy independant (the northern states would likely need reserve tanks for winter months.)


If that's true and it's safe for my kids to be around, sign me up.
 


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