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It actually took me some time to come up with that answer. Aside from gay marriage , I had to think about what was the biggest blight on our society today. Came up with the most obvious answer, professional wrestling. So, I did a search for mormon professional wrestlers and found a link to famousmormons.net. There he was along with a few others. Didn't recognize any of the other names though.
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: you *are* the goat...
let's go this way--
beyond the "famous" Mormons (who started as polygamists), can we find any one of that milieu who has contributed mightily to society?
I'm not asking about "famous" in Mormon/polygamy/not-or-maybe-polygamy history, but to society at large?
For example: patents (I would guess a few there); literary prizes (Pultizers, Nat'l Book awards); Nobels...
catch my drift?
I think Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines... he did a few important things...
Martin Luther granted Phillipe of Hess the "right" to a second wife... He worte in a letter to Chancellor Gregor Brück, that he could not forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict Scripture.
show me where it says on the Bible that you can have only one wife or husband? corinthians suggests it, but also suggests that unmarried and widows stay unmarried...
heck the Pagan Romans were the ones that started the custom. the Bible is full of polygamy, and hte Jews were still doing it until about 1100, when some Rabbis wife nagged at him so much to change the rules that he did...
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: you *are* the goat...
let's go this way--
beyond the "famous" Mormons (who started as polygamists), can we find any one of that milieu who has contributed mightily to society?
I'm not asking about "famous" in Mormon/polygamy/not-or-maybe-polygamy history, but to society at large?
For example: patents (I would guess a few there); literary prizes (Pultizers, Nat'l Book awards); Nobels...
catch my drift?
I think Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines... he did a few important things...
Martin Luther granted Phillipe of Hess the "right" to a second wife... He worte in a letter to Chancellor Gregor Brück, that he could not forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict Scripture.
show me where it says on the Bible that you can have only one wife or husband? corinthians suggests it, but also suggests that unmarried and widows stay unmarried...
heck the Pagan Romans were the ones that started the custom. the Bible is full of polygamy, and hte Jews were still doing it until about 1100, when some Rabbis wife nagged at him so much to change the rules that he did...
C'mon now Glass...we know it's not about the polygamy issue for PM. He has now alluded to marrying a goat twice now in his recent posts. I just wanna know what his fascination with marrying a goat is all about.
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: well, it's a clusterphuk...for sure.
On the one hand, I *can't* imagine what those folks were thinking when they decided to move to rural West Texas: a Saudi oil sheik would've fitted in more easily. Then? reports of older guys being forced onto under-age girls? Why not just have a fireworks show in a hay barn?
On the other hand, the state most certainly could have handled it better than shipping everybody hither and yon. Seems like the majority could have been reunited with their mothers within a week or so, tops...
Can you say clusterphuk...part deux?
Texas appeals ruling on sect children Story Highlights NEW: Texas appeals ruling to state Supreme Court
Previous court said state had no right to remove children from ranch
More than 400 children taken from polygamist ranch on suspicion of abuse
Parents say children have suffered from separation
SAN ANGELO, Texas (CNN) -- A day after an appeals court ruled that the state of Texas had no right to remove children from a polygamist sect's ranch, the state appealed that decision to the Texas Supreme Court.
The state Department of Family and Protective Services argues in its 27-page motion that the Texas 3rd District Court of Appeals overstepped its bounds.
The appeals court's ruling Thursday could have sent home nearly all of the more than 400 children removed April 3 from the Fundamentalist Church of Latter-Day Saints' ranch in Eldorado.
Authorities contend minors possibly were being sexually abused at the ranch.
If the state's Supreme Court appeal fails, a permanent reunion of families is assured, said Jeffrey Toobin, CNN senior legal analyst.
"I think it's clear that if [Thursday's ruling] stands, all these kids are going back with their mothers," Toobin said on CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360°."
A sect mother who has four children in state custody had said Thursday that the possibility of an appeal kept her from celebrating too much.
"I'm very grateful, but I'd like to see the children in my arms before I rejoice greatly," Margaret Jessop said on CNN's "Larry King Live." Watch Jessop react to the ruling »
Jessop and other FLDS parents said they had been permitted regular visits with their children in state custody.
Zavenda Young said two of her children were sent to Waco, Texas, and two to Hockley, 148 miles away.
"They're in Boys and Girls Country in Hockley. And it's just a -- it's an institution," she told host Larry King.
Their father, Edson Jessop, said the experience has been rough on the children.
"You can see it's a lot of stress on them," he said. "Every time we leave, they go through that trauma again. It's enough to rip your heart out."
"They feel betrayed by adults, and they're hurting very badly," Margaret Jessop added.
The Texas Child Protective Services Department's Web site says the agency has been "coordinating with many professional service and government agencies to ensure the safety, health and comfort of the children and women in Eldorado."
A statement from the agency Thursday said it did the right thing when it raided the ranch.
"Child Protective Services has one duty -- to protect children," the statement said. "When we see evidence that children have been sexually abused and remain at risk of further abuse, we will act."
quote:Originally posted by Pagan: C'mon now Glass...we know it's not about the polygamy issue for PM. He has now alluded to marrying a goat twice now in his recent posts. I just wanna know what his fascination with marrying a goat is all about.
i dunno but he sure is making the goats nervous
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Was your question what have poligamists, mormon or otherwise, done for society, Tex? Or what have mormons done for society? I understood the first but I don't think SuperFly had more than one wife.
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The point was NEVER what polygamists did or did not do for or to society. The point was that the government was wrong in raiding the community. Not merely wrong.. but criminal.. who bets there will ever be charges laid. I would like for everyone.. or just anyone to enter into an exercise with me. Let's think about the things we as "citizens" cannot do that government agents already have done.. Can I barge into a house.. kill a 93 year old woman.. then claim.. oops wrong house without going to jail? Can I demand you pay me between ten and thirty-seven percent of your gross earnings under punishment of incarceration? Continue with this list and then ponder the wording of the constitution.
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, I had to think about what was the biggest blight on our society today. Came up with the most obvious answer, professional wrestling. So, I did a search for mormon professional wrestlers and found a link to famousmormons.net. There he was along with a few others. Didn't recognize any of the other names though.
