To what should we attribute those type of murders to? Guns?
Guns are by far the most preferred method to commit a murder so spare us the other methods... the other methods occur when a gun is not available or not possible to purchase legally or illegally..
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Ernesto "Che" Guevara de la Serna Posts: 4669 | Registered: Mar 2004
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quote:How pleasant it must be to live such an idealistic fantasy...
Retiredat49,
You hit the nail on the head. It's just about impossible to have a rational conversation with the lefties who believe that passing gun control laws keep CRIMINALS from having guns. It's an absolutely ridiculous stance, but these lefties LOVE TO BE VICTIMS and will always rely on the rest of us to take car of them!
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simple fact? if somebody decides they are going to kill somebody (basically a sociopathic concept) they'll get a gun.
there is no way we will keep people from getting guns that want them. just as we cannot keep meth and heroine out of our society....
there's an interesting "thing" that came out of the alcohol prohibition.
the "Industrialists" supported the temperance movement because they believed productivity would increase.
instead? they found that more employees were in fact becoming alcoholics and productivity decreased....
should we "legalise" heroine and meth? hell no. but we should decriminalise their use, and take the business from the street dealers by giving them very long sentences at hard labor. Other less dangerous drugs should be completely legalised, simply because people that have problems with them could actually get help instead of hiding.
as for guns? there are people that have no business having them, that's for sure, but deciding who they are is pretty difficult.
in the end? a sociopath will do whatever they want regardless of laws...
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Just to clarity, I am 100% in favor of keeping legal guns out of the hands of those that shouldn't have them, such as people who have been institutionalized with mental illness, convicted felons, etc. The law is already keeping the convicted felons from getting guns (whether it is being properly enforced is another question) but those ridiculous Hippa laws are keeping the government from determining if a person is mentally ill.
Don't get me wrong, I'm also in favor of reasonable privacy laws, but we need to have some common sense.
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: Just to clarity, I am 100% in favor of keeping legal guns out of the hands of those that shouldn't have them, such as people who have been institutionalized with mental illness, convicted felons, etc. The law is already keeping the convicted felons from getting guns (whether it is being properly enforced is another question) but those ridiculous Hippa laws are keeping the government from determining if a person is mentally ill.
Don't get me wrong, I'm also in favor of reasonable privacy laws, but we need to have some common sense.
This is all I was trying to say. I guess in your EVANGELICAL SUPER far RIGHT off the map... text it comes across better.
Michael Moore (while I detest the fact phuck) did have some interesting stats in his "bowling" movie.
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in the end? a sociopath will do whatever they want regardless of laws...
I don't live in a dream world thinking that if we have certain laws it will solve the problem completely.. Laws as they say at least for the criminals are made to be broken.. i know that if we pass more stringent gun laws it won't keep all guns out of their hands.. that will always go without saying... but the flipside is having laws that have flaws and not correcting them... I am not trying to take your guns away if you purchase them legally and are lawful person but there is no reason whatsoever for you to be afraid of new gun laws to make it more harder on the criminal and mentally ill... unless of course you are a criminal or mentally ill person... are you Glass? hmmmmm
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Ernesto "Che" Guevara de la Serna Posts: 4669 | Registered: Mar 2004
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: Just to clarity, I am 100% in favor of keeping legal guns out of the hands of those that shouldn't have them, such as people who have been institutionalized with mental illness, convicted felons, etc. The law is already keeping the convicted felons from getting guns (whether it is being properly enforced is another question) but those ridiculous Hippa laws are keeping the government from determining if a person is mentally ill.
Don't get me wrong, I'm also in favor of reasonable privacy laws, but we need to have some common sense.
That is all we are pretty much saying.. us lefties as you call me, Rimasco, Jordan Reed etc. I don't know about the Hippa laws but current laws are not being enforced in certain states hard enough.. and you as gun owners should be damn mad about that because whenever a Virginia Tech, Columbine etc.. happens it makes the general gun owner and/or seller look bad...
Anyways you finally said something to a certain point that i can agree with instead of sounding like a Right Wing version of Bjeesus which you usually do...
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Ernesto "Che" Guevara de la Serna Posts: 4669 | Registered: Mar 2004
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quote:Originally posted by rimasco: This is all I was trying to say. I guess in your EVANGELICAL SUPER far RIGHT off the map... text it comes across better.
Michael Moore (while I detest the fact phuck) did have some interesting stats in his "bowling" movie.
Like i said a Right Wing version of Bjeesus... as for Moore.. I'm a lefty and i hate the fat phuck too but sometimes he makes good points...
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Ernesto "Che" Guevara de la Serna Posts: 4669 | Registered: Mar 2004
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: unless of course you are a criminal or mentally ill person... are you Glass? hmmmmm
that depends on who you talk to doesn't it?
sounds to me like alot of people think anybody who wants to own a gun is crazy...
then you have the people who think anybody who wants to give up their rights is crazy...
I would like to think that I am not crazy but, I own 2 shot gun's, 1 30-06, 1 22 cal., 1 357 handgun (hisss), and 1 assult rifle (booo hissss). I don't want to give any of the up. They are locked in a gun safe, seperate from their ammo, AND as my boy's get old enough, I teach them how to shoot each one properly, starting with the 22. My two youngest sons still have their training BB guns .
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