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Adam and Eve were at one with God - until the apple- that is in the bible - it has signiifcance in interpretation -
I do not take the bible literally but the bible has truth -
And, even though we are not perfect, deep inside we are- At our core essence, we all are made in the image of God, and perfect - we can at any moment choose to be better and who we are is magnificent if we make that choice-
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quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: Pain is a way we learn - it forces us to change or the pain deepens -
It is a law of the universe, hence God ---
????? you're joking,right????its the law of the universe,hence god???...that doesnt follow,,,at all..it doesnt even make sense..
lets see.. My finger hurts cuz I cut it..my nieghbor has a headache cuz he drank too much..well, thats the law of the universe. That proves there is a god. okay..
quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: Adam and Eve were at one with God - until the apple- that is in the bible - it has signiifcance in interpretation -
I do not take the bible literally but the bible has truth -
And, even though we are not perfect, deep inside we are- At our core essence, we all are made in the image of God, and perfect - we can at any moment choose to be better and who we are is magnificent if we make that choice-
once again we agree. but it's not easy .
do you realise that secular humanists more or less believe the same thing but don't use God to get to the same conclusion?
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i dont believe a serial murderer has free will.. he hates what he does, but is compelled to kill...
...and there we have the essence of the wacko left. Everyone is a victim. It's a good thing we have the leftist elitists to help all the victims.
The TRUTH is that some people are EVIL. They are not victims. They are not helpless. They make evil choices and they deserve the consequences.
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they choose to be evil?..or is something off in their head.... some people are just insane and they dont have a choice in the matter.......you,for instance
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Our actios, our thughts who we became as folks - not perfect - but deep insode us we are a part of God - and perfect - I realize that is a contradiction but also reality - Reality has duality
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just because some dont believe in your god does not mean they arent good people,and arent kind,loving,giving,etc.....some of us dont NEED your help..or a book to help us...
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Jesus would ask you, who are you to judge? by modern definitions? Jesus was a left wing whacko, as you so aptly put it.
I am not judging anyone. However, I certainly know that there is good and evil in the world. I realize that for the wacko left nothing is wrong or evil, everything is just a lifestyle choice and criminals are all victims.
Jesus wasn't political at all and his kingdom is not of this earth.
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And, honestly, I respect - You have a right -
i am not offering help - I offer my insights - I share thats it -
But, personally, i havnt met a person that was not in need of help - we all seek comfort and understaanding - and love ---and help along the way of LIFE --Some will not use the bible, that is their choice -
The bible is one resource of many in life that folks can grow in faith -
And, ultimately our heart can lead us to the truth - Ask and you shall have --
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"Adam and Eve were at one with God - until the apple- that is in the bible "
No, it is not in the bible.
It was the fruit of the tree of knowledge. Clearly pointing out god's intent that we use our free will to remain hopelessly ignorant. I'm not so sure I approve.
Isn't it clear that you advocate that we blindly follow your interpretation of the bible, one of which is that you can interpret god's will, and follow unquestioningly. That's being like a robot. So how can you say
"Would you rather be a robot? or have free will?"
That is contradictory.
It is obvious that, if god made us, as you describe, we have no choice byut to have free will. Then you declare that if we think on our own and act accordingly, we are violating the wishes and intent of god.
Pick one or the other. Either we have free will to use or we are to follow blindly the will of god and not our own. The two cannot be both true, at least as you describe them.
Pain clearly isn't an instrument of god. Pain, like the expression "it hurts like the very devil" is an instrument of the devil, isn't it?
Surely no all loving and all powerful god would wish pain on his creation (I borrow the analogy from William James)?
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i also think jr has a real point tm. i understand your faith and knwo many peopl that have lived good lives because of it, but i also know many people who live good lives without the bible. i don't hink you are judging the peopl without the bible as much as you are trying to help them, but to some people? anybody holding out the bible is not to be trusted. most of them have good reasons ofr beleiving this.
Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson were/are not people that follow Jesus' teachings yet they are/were the most visible religious "leaders" in the US...
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: Jesus would ask you, who are you to judge? by modern definitions? Jesus was a left wing whacko, as you so aptly put it.
I am not judging anyone. However, I certainly know that there is good and evil in the world. I realize that for the wacko left nothing is wrong or evil, everything is just a lifestyle choice and criminals are all victims.
Jesus wasn't political at all and his kingdom is not of this earth.
hmmm.. thats where Huckabee ran off the tracks for me.
Jesus was of this earth and that is the point.
the duality of his reality is very important to faith.
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It isn't necessary to not believe in the bible to be offended by this incessant insistence that you and your interpretation is the only one allowed, because your interpretations directly contradicts their beliefs.
That someone does not agree with you does not make them an atheist or wrong. So how about stopping this hate. How is it any different than the moslem extremist intent to define god their way and their insistence they have a duty to god to insist that they, not you are correct? No matter how you express your intent, it intends to declare any other as unfit!
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Jesus saves all - no condemation - But, he did teach good and understood good and evil -----Father forgive then for that know not what they are doing -
Many are unaware that we can choose - but sins of the father- evolutional conditioning - we dont know waht we are doing - unawareness - but deep within we KNOW---but we have to ask/want to know and we will ---
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quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: Bdgee - I JUST said you have every right to beleive as you choose - your soul is on you!!
You are not wrong just not YET there - lol
you are not there,yet..that is why you need direction!...you dont know and are still searching for answers. you think you have found the answers in your fictional book..but that is not the case..I,on the other hand, have no questions and am not searching..never have been.. My power of reasoning(intellect) has developed the answers without ever having the questions... I know, therefor I am..
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Being a good person and doing good deeds is not the sole proprietorship of those who believe in the bible. And the interpretation of "good" is a judgment in itself.
For those who believe in the bible, good for you. But stop pushing your brand of so-called goodness on everyone else. Its so judgmental and exclusionary. Not the Jesus likeness you purport to extol.
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just believe in yourself..you keep saying,,faith...thats ridick!...if you said faith in yourself?...then I would agree. But you seem to think that everyone needs faith in something other then themselves. Thats where you go off into searching for answers. answers to what? why we are here?..Maybe there is no answer..why does there have to be?...maybe we just are.
quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: You can count on your intellect -
But, for me the intellect is only a smart part of who we are-----
We are spitual beings ahving a human experience -taken form Marianne W ---
Are you going to start quoting messages from Orion as fact too? Its a great belief system if it gives you comfort and helps you grow, but its simply one of many concepts to live by.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: why didn't God make us better to begin with tho?
humans are animals, millions of women in Africa have their clitori forcibly removed by their husbands who "own them", human trafficking is going on right now where women are treated like objects and sold into prostitution where they are forced not to use condoms to meet the expectations of her ***hole clients or else face the consequences of being beaten up. Entire populations are starving while their government people are fat from gluttony. Men go to certain countries to have sex with teenage girls (or boys) who are then beaten up by their pimps and held prison. Child labor is a practice of every day... want more examples?
And then christians say god made us all in his image? yikes!
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