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anyways,if yo ubelief you have free will then creationism is in play...
Evolution evolves no creation...but life is a mystery and a big part of it is creation as exemplified by art and all disciplines and by science..sciencei s what man learns, hence creates in his/her thinking...
Free will implies creationism..we all can co-creat with the Creator...and we do either consciously or sub-consciusly... Jordanreed..if you doubt any of what I am saying..I challeng you for a week to be a creationist...create the life you want...
That is why we have free will but ultiamte destiny is god...
For a whole week, think you are a good person and be nice ...do as many good deeds as you can...do not be negative or try not to be... you will be amazed at what is created simply by your intent and attitude...It may e hard but no matter what do good..dont damn the rude drive, bless them, hlp your co-workers anyway you cam...folks will be thinking you are cry cause your nice and positive but ignore..for a week, be nice, do good ,and be positive...and see what happens to you...
it may be the start of you knowing you are a child of GOd and can co create this world... and not only will you be happier but you will have more of what is your intent...try it..i dare you..for one week...be nice, try having good thoughts and know your world is ass you desire..as you co-create....
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You just answered your own question..Universe has a system that make it work and that is God...
I agree, I will expand...if no God, then no creation...but we see creation every day...and we also can create ..co-create with God...
God is the creator and we co-create our world. we have free will but ultimate destiny is God.
How does it prove God? No proof just knowing..
Science is proof but knowing is beyond science... Science proved earth was flat, science proved man evolved from apes...science proves what man's thinking is at the time..constrained by time and space...God is beyond science and not constrained..
If God is the creator and we co-create..I challene anyone who with integrity follow thru to create...God is good so if we align ourselves with God..and do good, at our human level at whatever growth we are at, we will see results,,,
A challenge for a week, dont damn the rude driver, dont damn me if ya diasagree, be nice, do good, help anyone in every moment that ya can...folks will flip but continue to do good and create the world ya want...thin only good...and if hard to do..say god bless to all... God will bring forth to ya life more than ya gave out...
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Godis love, God create all and evolution is god's making...
But, what we see may not be nice but we were given free will...
Free will determines the world we create...
But, free will plys into evolution...sins of the father ....It is not nice for a baby to die but maybe because of free will, the soul wanted it that way...
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And, all pain we have is because of the sins of our fathers and our free will to choose..pain tells us wrong way buster...f we dont go the right way, than we have more pain til we learn the lesson..
i will use alcoholism as an example...it is passsed from generation to generation as all sin or negative choices until someone stops the buck...i inherit the sins of my father in my genes and in my attitutudes but because of free will, i can stop the buck, and future generations will be healthier...
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Everyone always says prove God, that is science, to have a hypothesis and prove..but science is a miniscule of creation...Creation requires no proof but knowing...and once you have no doubt life is as you co-create with God........
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: no god,never was, never will be...
I feel sorry for you!
keep your sorrys in your pocket,son...
feel sorry for yourself,in your fearfull.guilt-ridden life.. so scared to upset your vengeful god, that he may comdem you to hell for all eternity...what a pathetic joke!...I laugh
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Seriously? Back on topic, the whole BAM! we're here argument seems a little hard to swallow. Although so does the argument that we were once micro-organisms in the bubbling soup. There's holes in both theories and in my opinion neither of them should be taught as "fact" in any school setting. As Glassman says, they'd be more appropriate in a philosophy class.
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yeah but how did DNA come to be? that's still a philosphical question. the problem is that we pretty much know it didn't come from a lump of clay, or a rib bone.... IMO? that doesn't make the Bible lies, it just makes it a guide for, well, stone age people just learning to become civlised...
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Even when the poles change and cosmic rays bombard the earth, now lacking the protection the magnetosphere offers--now we're at Mutation Blue-Plate Special--that's easy enough to grasp, right?
In short, DNA obtains because it's the simplest route "outta this mess."
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"Damn, I've been banking on an afterlife of smallmouths, free beer and cuban cigars. Guess that's all shot to hell now? Ah well, I'll eventually turn into worm food, maybe someone will catch something decent with a part of me."
Nope....opposites attract....just gonna lure trash fish with up-bait.
"And, all pain we have is because of the sins of our fathers and our free will to choose..pain tells us wrong way buster...f we dont go the right way, than we have more pain til we learn the lesson.."
Which definitely explains why little babies are born addicted to crack......to feel pain for mama being a doper.
I think your god isn't very nice to hurt that little baby so it will suffer for mama being bad.
I wonder who is being punished for what by god when someone has malaria or was born blind or with chronic migraines?
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Which definitely explains why little babies are born addicted to crack......to feel pain for mama being a doper.
I think your god isn't very nice to hurt that little baby so it will suffer for mama being bad.
That just plain ridiculous. Babies are born addicted to crack because their mothers are crack addicts. People have free will and there are consequences to the choices we make, except in wacko-leftist-aethiest land where everyone is a victim and they want the government to be their nursemaid.
Of course, we can always lean on those little gray aliens in the huge, top-secret, underground, new world order cities to steer us right. I guess you leftists believe in aliens instead of God. What a freak show!
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It was supposed to be ridiculous, in order to point out the parallel absurdities of declaring absolute knowledge of the intent of god.
I didn't see a post where anyone declared "absolute knowledge of the intent of God". God is infinite and certainly no human being could have absolute knowledge of God's intentions.
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: [b]People have free will and there are consequences to the choices we make, except in wacko-leftist-aethiest land where everyone is a victim and they want the government to be their nursemaid.
what a black and white view of the world you have...
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: It was supposed to be ridiculous, in order to point out the parallel absurdities of declaring absolute knowledge of the intent of god.
I didn't see a post where anyone declared "absolute knowledge of the intent of God". God is infinite and certainly no human being could have absolute knowledge of God's intentions.
hmmmm... there was no post here maybe, but Fearless Leader has made that claim several times, and plenty of sheople have followed him.
thinkmoney suggests giving oneself over to her faith, which i can accept, but we live in a society where even the most honestly religious people are much more likely to spend their time being involved of the politics of their church than they are in trying to be more like Jesus.
i prefer what i believe to be an older Jewish concept, but since i am not Jewish and have not studied the Kaballah very much, i can't attribute the concept fully. It says: Assume the yoke of God. That was the allegory within the story of Jesus refusing to fight against the soldiers who came to take him. It's not easy.
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It isn't surprising you don't. Reading and understanding seem not to be among your talents, unless you are only feigning ignorance.
Assuming honestly on your part, I note that
"all pain we have is because of the sins of our fathers and our free will to choose....."
declares an absolute knowledge of the intent and reason of god's thoughts.
And certainly, god being god, you are correct in the assessment that "no human being could have absolute knowledge of God's intentions", including any that might be how god thinks and his reason and intention for pain.
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God is all knowing and all apoerfful not me...
what I share are my knowings and you can rebuke but i have a right tof expression -
Adam ate the fruit so hence, sins of the father - if that is to abstract for you to understand, you will one day... Yes, little babies born to crack because of choice of mom and dad - why sins of the father comes into play....
Once born, free will kicks in - to change any circumstance...but limited by our own ingenuity
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Glass - All we experience in life is to make us grow - exactly injustice is created by man's free will and interpreted subjectively ---
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Would you rather be a robot? or have free will?
With free will, there are consequences, some good others bad but also growth is possible...
Physical pain tells us something is not working right physically - how else would you give it attention?
Emotional pain tells us our thoughts are distorted -and negative --
In aberrations, a few folks cant feel physical pain, and from their mouths, I read it ss treacherous, and would give all to have the pain so they dont harm themselves ---
and, many fols are so numb emotionally, they dont feel - dont lnow how - so mixed up -
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